vladimir putin has a grip on reality? does he think putin will use nuclear weapons? putin is speaking this morning at a russian energy forum in washington. we're monitoring these remarks. >> president biden also told jake tapper that he's unlikely to meet with president putin any time soon but he left the option open. listen to his response when jake asked him about the russian president's state of mind. >> do you think putin is a rational actor? >> i think he is a rational actor who's miscalculated significantly. >> so if he's not rational -- >> i didn't say he's not rational. >> you said the speech. >> i think the speech, his objectives were not rational. jake, i think he thought he was going to be welcome with open arms. that this has been the home of mother russia in kyiv and he was going to be welcomed. i think he just totally miscalculated. >> we're going to speak with jake in a moment about his

exclusive interview with president biden. with under four weeks until the midterm elections. a brand new cnn poll shows that president biden's approval rating is improving. 44% of people say they approve now of the way he is handling his job as president. 56% disapprove. this is up from a low of 48% this summer. now it's higher than bill clinton and donald trump. higher than their ratings at their stage of their presidencies, but below barack obama and others. the poll shows major economic warning signs just 22% rate economic conditions of the country as good with 41% calling conditions somewhat poor, 27% saying very poor. i should note the conditions are improving. just 32% of the public approve of his handling of inflation. 36% of his handling of the economy as a whole, up from 30%

this summer. half of americans say biden's policies have worsened economic conditions. 36% that they improved economic conditions. that's a slight improvement from april and may. and a majority of americans taking a dim view of efforts taken by congress to deal with issues. 52% say lawmakers have done nothing to address the problems facing the country. we have more now on jake's exclusive interview with president biden. he sat down to answer questions on russia's nuclear threats. fears of a recession, and a possible run for office in 2024, as well as more. >> when i'm talking about -- i'm talking to putin. he, in fact, cannot continue with impunity to talk about the use of a tactical nuclear weapon as if that's a rational thing to do. mistakes get made, and the miscalculation could occur. no one could be sure what would happen and it could end in

armageddon. i think he is a rational actor who has miscalculated significantly. i think he thought he was going to be welcome with open arms that this has been the home of mother russia in kyiv and he was going to be welcomed. i think he totally miscalculated. i have no intention of meeting with him. for example, if he came to me at the g20 and said he wanted to talk about the release of griner, i would meet with him. i didn't go about oil. i went about making sure that we made sure we weren't going to walk away from the middle east on what was going on. when the house and senate gets back, there's going to be some consequences for what they've done with russia. there's no guarantee that they're going to be -- i don't think there will be a recession. if there is it'll be a slight recession. that is we'll move down slightly. >> you said a slight recession is possible. >> it is possible. it's possible. i don't anticipate it.

i'm proud of my son. he got hooked on, like many families have had happen, hooked on drugs. he's overcome that, established a new life. turns out when he made application to purchase a gun, i guess you -- i don't guess, you get asked the question are you on drugs, use drugs, he said no. he wrote about saying no in his book. so i have great confidence in my son. i love him and he's on the straight and narrow and has been for a couple years now. i'm just so proud of him. look, i'm not going to make this about my decision. i'm going to make it about the off-year election. after that's done in november then i'll be in the process of deciding. >> is one of the calculations that you think you're the only one that can beat donald trump? >> i believe i can beat donald trump again. >> with us now is half of that interview, anchor of cnn tonight

with jake tapper. great to see you. congratulations on the debut show it was wonderful to watch. >> thanks. >> you discussed putin's rationality with president biden. it was an interesting line of questioning. why do you think that's so important and biden seemed to push back on parts of that. >> president macron, the french president, told me he thought, in an interview a few weeks ago, a lot of what we're seeing why putin is mayking these decision that he can't explain is because putin was isolated for two years and the implication being he's not thinking right. we've seen other people who have dealt with putin, all of them saying they think something is off. this isn't a normal calculus. when he sent troops in to seize crimea, he succeeded, parts of

georgia, he succeeded. this is a different thing trying to seize all of ukraine thinking it's over in a few days and obviously he's bogged down in the war. i think that's the subtext here, are we dealing with a mad man? it's interesting, not only he said he thought that putin was rational, just someone who as an irrational goal but when i inaccurately assumed he said that putin was not a rational actor, he jumped in, no, no, that's not what i said to correct me. which i thought was interesting. he wants to parse it, you're making irrational decisions but you're still a rational person. the president heard that and he wanted to jump in immediately and correct what i had said, which i thought was interesting and important. because if he's a mad man with nukes that's a different equation than somebody off on a

misguided foreign policy blunder, i think. >> did you get the sense he was saying he was a rational actor making irrational decisions? >> that's right. the decision to go in was irrational. his speech right after the invasion in which he was talking about uniting all the russian speaking people of the world is not rational. but i have to say just as an observer, we know that vladimir putin has been saying for almost 20 years that the worst thing that ever happened in the 20th century was not the holocaust, not the genocide of the armenian people, not any number of horrible foreign policy occurrences, not 9/11, vietnam, the worst thing that happened was the collapse of the soviet yu union. that's what compels him to do what he's doing.

i think president biden is parsing for his own reasons and i get it, he's the leader of the free world not an idiot on tv like me. but the bottom line is this has been his irrational modus operandi but his dogma for his entire career, vladimir putin. >> people listened to this for issues on ukraine but also the economy. as i was watching i heard president biden use language i haven't heard before. which is i don't think we're going into a recession and if we do, it might be a slight recession. >> a slight recession is a huge admission given the fact that president biden and the administration have been denying that we're going to enter a recession like half the country thinks we're already in one. economists can debate whether or not we're in a recession, inflation is obviously very high, joblessness is low. but the idea that he would

acknowledge he doesn't think weer going to go into a recession but if it does happen it'll be a small one. >> when you get the principal, he told you what he thought to be the truth. >> said i don't think it's going to happen, it could happen, but if it does happen it'll be a baby recession. which is probably not a comfort for people struggling right now, and there are lots of them, millions of them. >> it won't be a baby recession for some people so they'll feel that. you also asked about his age, he's coming up on 80 here and you asked about some democrats who have their concerns considering his age about him running again. he kind of turned it around a little bit. let's listen. >> what's your message to democrats who like you, like what you've done, but are concerned about your age and the demands of the job. >> they're concerned about whether or not i'm getting anything done. look what i've gotten done. name me a president in recent

history that's gotten as much done as i have in the first two years. not a joke. it's a matter can you do the job, i believe i can do the job. >> it's not about age, it's about can you get it done. >> that's right. in the past he says watch me, watch me. and people are watching. and he is 79 years old and he doesn't seem like he's 30. by the same token, most of our leaders in this country are getting up there, whether it's donald trump, mitch mcconnell, nancy pelosi, et cetera, we have a lot of people up there in age. but he didn't say watch me, he said look at what i've accomplished. that's a claim he can make, a statement he can make since april, may when the administration and congress passed a slew of legislation, a lot of it bipartisan, some of it partisan, but any case, a lot of accomplishments. it's a different message. it's not watch me.

look at the record. >> hunter biden you asked about that and the way he answered to me was so interesting. particularly when he spoke about the possibility of a gun charge. explain how that happened. >> this is interesting because as evan perez and our justice department unit have reported for months, there is -- sources are telling them that prosecutors are telling them they think they have enough to prosecute hunter biden on tax charges and lying on a form when he got a gun. when i asked president biden about the fact there could be charges against his son, who loves his son very much and has had his struggles with addiction issues for a long time. the president knew lots of details about this and he was eager to talk about how much he loves his son, how proud he is and also the fact in his view the reason they have a charge against hunter, as the president knew in detail was because hunter had admitted in his book that he was using drugs at the

time he filled out that form to buy the gun and on the form said he was not using drugs. so he knew a level of minutia about the case that suggested he's -- well, as any parent would be, he's quite aware of what's going on. >> he didn't say he didn't do it. he didn't say necessarily it wasn't against the law, he sought to explain. >> his basic argument is they only know he committed a crime because my son admitted it. i thought it was an interesting thing to say. >> it is. >> we have more. stick around. you're a busy man. we're going to talk about the new cover story in the atlantic about cj rice, a philadelphia teenager convicted of murder more than a decade ago with what could be a shocking lack of evidence. pennsylvania democratic senate candidate john fetterman assuring voters he's fit to serve in his first interview since suffering a stroke. and an la council member

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philadelphia teenager and the empty promise of the sixth amendment. that is the cover story of the atlantic's november issue out today. jake tapper telling the story here of cj rice who was convicted of attempted murder nearly a decade ago. at the time, rice was a 17-year-old black teen from philadelphia. he was also a patient of jake tapper's father. and after revisiting the police investigation and the subsequent trial, tapper writes, quote, let me state the obvious in personal terms with evidence as meager as that against rice no prosecutor in the country would even have charged me, a white man with resources. if it had, and if i had legal representation worthy of the

name, no jury would have brought a conviction. jake tapper is back with us to discuss his reporting. jake, this is a case that your father has followed since the beginning. tell us a little more about this. >> so cj rice is a patient of my dad's since he was born in south philly. my dad is a retired pediatrician. and cj had been shot in an accident that cj said was a case of mistaken identity, no arrests were made. he could barely walk, he visited my dad in september of 2011, something like 35 staples up and down his chest and torso. he was walking my dad describes it like a 100-year-old man. and a few days later, there was another shooting incident and they arrested cj for it even though the assailant supposedly sprinted. and there was no way he was

going to be convicted, my dad thought it was impossible. but because of the way the justice system works and an incompetent attorney who made mistake after mistake after mistake, basic mistakes that people who are not lawyers would not make he's now doing 30 to 60 years in prison. it's the most unjust case like this i've ever seen. >> you go at this pointing out this is a story about cj but also a story about the system here. that's what you think is most important. >> that's right because the bottom line is cj's case is important because it's not unusual. it's the case of a person who does not have means, given a court-appointed attorney. there's a big difference between a public defender who are usually excellent attorneys, a public defender and a court-appointed attorney who have much worse track records. court-appointed attorneys, 80%

of people get court appointed attorneys and sanjay weaver was an incompetent attorney. basic things that should come out in trial did not come out in trial. nobody was able to identify him. three different people were asked, do you know who shot you, nobody did it. and then a confidential informant comes up, saying one person cj did it. but the fact that not a witness was able to identify cj three previous times that wasn't brought up in trial. the lawyer didn't know. i don't think she visited the crime scene. she didn't know basic facts about the case. that's what passes for legal representation in this country. that's okay with our system. it's okay with our system. you can be a drunk attorney, a disbarred attorney, you can sleep through part of the trial and courts say it's good enough. >> we have to let you go, i

know, but where is the case right now? >> there's an attorney trying to get him out. but truly the only thing that can happen now is the district attorney in philadelphia or people on the parole board in pennsylvania, including the lieutenant governor, john fetterman, the attorney general josh shapiro or the current governor tom wolf, it's in their hands. at the least he didn't get a fair trial. >> how many cj rices are there out there? definitely the question. >> thousands, yes. >> amazing piece in the atlantic as you start your show this week. taking for taking time out were us. >> thank you so much. you can watch tonight live at 9:00 p.m. eastern. ana sorkin the fake heir es who inspired a tv show is on tonight. and mike bonin is speaking about the leaked comments by the

l.a. city council president talking about his son. holding back tears, bonin talked about the impact of the words. >> these words, they cut. and they stung. you know, i know that i can never really know or comprehend or feel the weight of the daily relentless racism, anti-black racism that my son is going to face. but man, i know the fire that you feel when someone tries to destroy black boy joy. man, it's a rage. >> he also told the council he

didn't even want to show up to tuesday's meeting at all. >> i really, really do not want to be here today. i want -- i want to be home with my family right now. i am -- but i want to say a few words, like most angelenos, i am reeling from the revelations of what these people said. trusted servants who voiced hate and vile. public officials are supposed to call us to our highest selves. and these people stabbed us and shot us and cut the spirit of los angeles. it gave a beat down to the heart and the soul of the city. >> just before bonin took the podium, protesters filled the

room, delaying the meeting and calling on all the members involved in the leaked audio to resign from the council. the white house also weighing in tuesday. >> the president is glad to see that one of the participants in that conversation has resigned. but they all should. he believes that they all should resign. the language that was used and tolerated during that conversation was unacceptable. and it was appallappalling, the should all step down. >> council member bonin agreeing with the president. >> first, you must resign and then ask for forgiveness. >> now the los angeles area chamber of commerce has released an official statement calling for the resignation of those city council members too saying in part it is now apparent we can only heal and move forward through definitive action the

council members must resign immediately. we join in calling for their immediate resignation from the city council. top republicans rallying behind herschel walker in georgia as he again denies allegations that he paid a woman to have an abortion. pennsylvania senate candidate john fetterman speaking out about the communication issues that persist after the stroke he suffered back in may. dr. sanjay gupta joins us ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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georgia republican senate candidate herschel walker campaigning with senators rick scott and tom cotton on tuesday as allegations that walker paid a woman to have an abortion continue to hang over the race. in an interview with abc news, walker again denied allegations that he paid for a woman to have an abortion. >> but at this point you now know who she is? >> yes, yes. >> have you had a conversation with her? >> not at all. so i didn't know who it was until last week.

and i went, oh. i said that's not true. >> did you ever have a conversation with this woman at any time about an abortion? >> no. >> did you ever, to your knowledge, give money to pay for the cost of an abortion? >> no. >> is she lying? >> yes, she's lying. >> reports from the daily beast and "the washington post" say the woman told the paper she had the info for the abortion that he wanted her to have. cnn has not independently confirmed the woman's allegations about the abortion and has reached out to the walker campaign for comment. pennsylvania senate candidate john fetterman said he used closed -- or he uses closed captioning to understand people in conversations. this after a stroke he suffered in may. that has left him with lingering symptoms. in a new interview, fetterman

insists he's fit to serve as senator. joining us is jessica dean in philadelphia. this was fetterman's first real one on one interview after he came back to the campaign trail. what did he say about his health and recovery? >> he said the stroke has really changed everything, john. and we know he's been using closed captioning since this summer in a lot of interviews. that's something he's doing. he's been on the road for rallies after august, returned for the campaign trail, you can notice it in his speech patterns but he said it's an auditory interview, he's focused on the work ahead. i'll let you listen for yourself. >> everything about it has changed. having a conversation with your wife to having a conversation with your children. i'll hear someone speaking but sometimes to be precise on what they're saying i use captioning. so that's the major challenge. and every now and then i'll miss a word, every now and then, or

sometimes i'll maybe mush two words together. but as long as i have captioning, i'm able to understand what's being asked. but even after the stroke, immediately after that, i was able to read everything and i haven't lost any memories or anything like that. it's just the lingering issue i have. i feel like we've been transparent in a lot of different ways when our doctor has given a letter saying i'm able to serve and to be running. >> respectfully, that letter from your physician, that was six months ago. don't voters deserve to know your status now? >> being in front of thousands and thousands of people and having interviews and getting around all across pennsylvania, that gives everybody and the voters decide if they think it's really the issue. >> reporter: again, that stroke happening right on the eve of may's primary here in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, john. and as we've seen fetterman

return to the campaign trail, this is what we have seen, he's talked about it. we've seen him pause when he's looking for a word, things like that. but this is very much what we've seen as he's been traveling around pennsylvania. >> four weeks until election day. how is this playing into voters' decisions? what have you seen along that front? >> we're clearly in philadelphia right now. working on a story that's going to air later today. focused on black voters in philadelphia, who they're supporting, how they feel about john fetterman. black voters a key constituency here in the democratic base, especially here in pennsylvania where any democrat needs major turn out in the city of philadelphia to win statewide. we've been talking to voters what they think, this is anecdotal, we've talked to them, that has not come up. they're focused on the issues,

who's going to control the senate, that's the same for republican voters we spoke to a couple weeks ago. everybody seems to be focused on who will control the senate because this is an open senate seat here in pennsylvania and with races across the country, it could determine who will control the senate in the final two years of president biden's first term in office. so very critical there. one statistical piece of data, a september poll by cbs news, 59% of registered voters here in pennsylvania saying that fetterman is healthy enough to serve. >> great to have you on the ground in the commonwealth. they're honking in support of you. see you later today. >> reporter: yes, they are, thanks. let's discuss with dr. sanjay gupta. so fetterman is saying he's using closed captioning to help him understand what he's hearing since he does sometimes miss words or mushes them together

since he has had a stroke. what do you think about his technique? >> it's interesting, first of all. candidates are not required to release their medical records. in this case we don't have any medical records that would give us more insight, obviously. but what he seems to be doing is interesting in terms of trying to compensate for these speech abnormalities, these processing abnormalities. it's really fascinating if you think about how speech works. when we say speech we mean someone's ability to express themselves through spoken word, through written word but also to receive speech through written word or spoken word. in his case he seems to have some difficulties, this is usually the area of the brain affected, the left side of the bria brain with his ability to understand speech. so a reporter says something -- >> our brain having a hard time processing what sanjay is saying there. sanjay, we lost sanjay's

connection. we will get that connection back up and try to finish this conversation with him. but the issue that sanjay is talking about, auditory issues. john fetterman said he has problem hearing things and understanding but clearly seeing them and processing it is different which is why he's asking for interviews to have closed captioning so he can have the words at the same time. >> not a comprehension issue, which is significant. tom brady is speaking out about his mental health and personal struggles after reports that he and his wife have hired divorce attorneys. and angela lansbury star of stage and screen, we'll have a look back at her career next. ♪ tale as old as time ♪ ♪ song as old as rhrhyme ♪

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madame, is this vehicle safe? >> perfectly safe. a bit theatrical perhaps but then most good spells are. >> that was angela lansbury in the 1970s film "bed knobs and broomsticks". today we're remembering the star who died tuesday at home in los angeles five days shy of her 97th birthday. she earned her first oscar nomination in her first film. her second nomination came the following here. and her third nearly 20 years later. >> speech is short.

but it's the most rousing speech i've ever read. i shall force someone to take the body away from him. >> her role in the manturian candidate in which she becomes a mother who betrays her son and country portrayed her as a character actress. >> that was a brave thing you did, dear. >> but i lost my father, my dreams, everything. >> cheer up child it'll turn out all right in the end you'll see. >> and that's her voice, mrs. pots in "beauty and the beast". and on tv, of course, there was this. >> mrs. fletcher, what is it? >> inspector, i believe i know who killed mr. daconing and how

to find nighle. >> she played jessica fletcher for 12 years. but after all this, how did she want to be remembered? she gave this interview over a decade ago only to be released on her death. watch this. >> what would you like your legacy to be? >> that through my acting i enabled people to get out of their own lives and to be allowed to be transported into other areas of lives that they otherwise would never have. i'd love to be able to feel that i enabled people to do that. life is so hard, for so many people. >> she did -- the thing that's so amazing about her kid if you told a kid who only knew her from mrs. pots or watched her in murder she wrote, that she was the most diabolical villain ever

they wouldn't believe you because she was so good, so much range. >> when i used to visit my grandparents, i was also visiting jessica fletcher too. i watched her all the time probably watched every episode of "murder she wrote". i loved her. i'm so glad she lived a long beautiful life. after reports he and his wife have independently retained divorce lawyers, tom brady is speaking out about his mental health and personal struggles in his podcast lets go. when asked how he takes care of himself in personal and professional lives, brady acknowledged he's going through a lot. listen. >> i think you realize a lot, especially in today's day and age where we realize there's a lot happening for all of us, and the amount of responsibilities we have. i think there's part of us held to a certain standard we're

inhuman. you hear this from people, i'm only human. i don't -- we are only human. we're not inhuman. we're not immune to a lot of things that life brings us. we're not robots. you wake up every day trying to do the best you can do and understanding that life has its stresses and, you know, to deal with them with a great support system and understanding and having some interspeckive in your life where you can look at y yourself and say where do i need to commit my time and energy to. and where can i lessen the burden of stress on me so i can be good for other people too. that's something i worked through in my 20s. i worked through them in my 20s, 30s, 40s. that's what we're all doing, we're all trying to do the best we can. >> tom brady has been open about mental health and the need to

address mental health. when he went away to college, he and his father both had a hard time being separated. he's from california, he went to michigan. being that far apart was really hard on both of them and they both worked to get through that time. so again, this is something that brady has been comfortable discussing and dealing with for a long time. >> it's good to hear -- i don't know. i'm just -- i'm sad. i'm sad berman, aren't you sad? >> these things happen. we don't know what's happening inside their marriage. you want them both to be well and the kids to be happy. >> yes. coming up we have more from cnn's exclusive sit down with president biden. hear what he says about russia's nuclear threat in ukraine ahead. hundreds of republicans and democrats reaching across the aisle and endorsing members of the other party. what is driving this trendnd? a reality check ahead. in r real time

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this morning, the biden administration is considering a new program to manage the surge of venezuela migrants similar to the one for ukrainians. it would allow venezuela who have a sponsor in the u.s. not to be turned away in an effort to discourage them from crossing the southern border illegally. cnn's priscilla alvarez is joining us now. how does the administration plan to manage this flow of venezuelan migrants. >> simply put, they want them to apply to come to the united states, be approved. they have to show they have a tie to the united states, they have a family member, and then fly into a port of entry in the united states, like an airport, for example. that's very similar to what the administration did for ukrainians and the reason that the administration took that approach with the ukrainians is to avoid them coming to the u.s./mexico border. that's what the administration wants to do here. the reason it's so urgent is because there are more than 6

million venezuelans who have fled the country because of deteriorating conditions. they have moved about south america. many have come to the u.s./mexico border as conditions were exacerbated by the pandemic and now we're seeing more than a thousand day, or around a thousand a day at the u.s./mexico border. this is a plan they're considering to discourage people from unlawfully crossing the border. >> tell us about criticism of the plan. >> the biggest criticism at this moment from immigration advocates is mexico is considering or at least is willing to take venezuelans under title 3, which allows authorities to turn people away. it's a trump era pandemic emergency restriction and up until now, venezuelans have not been subject to that. advocates say this should not be used for anyone. that's the push back now. it's a plan under consideration. we're waiting to see if it gets finalized and we'll see how

those details get responses. >> we'll be watching this, priscilla, thank you so much for that. as we get closer to the midterms, a surprising number of politicians reaching across the aisle to endorse candidates from the other party. what's behind this, and what impact might it have. john avlon with a reality check. >> we live in hyper partisan times and it's no secret that polarization is at the core of our crisis of democracy. all politics are playing to the base, rather than reaching out to win over the reasonable edge of the opposition. it's gotten so bad that some don't believe swing voters exist anymore. that's exactly why it's important to know when and when people endorse candidates across party lines. it takes courage and the good news is we have actually seen a lot of cross aisle action in midterms, with three prominent announcements coming just yesterday. top of the list is republican congressman, adam kinzinger, a member of the january 6th committee who released a dozen endorsements for pro democracy

candidates that included six candidates, as well as secretary of state nominees in michigan. the bolttom, arizona and minnesota. kinzinger is not exactly a republican in good standing, fair enough, but less expected was yelled's announcement by the first lady of nebraska, suzanne shore that she was endorsing a democrat. rounding out the day, former democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbard, she was leaving her party all together, accusing it of being controlled by an elitist cabal of warmongers. she's one of many americans who have switched their party affiliation ahead of the midterms. any one of these cases could be dismissed as an outlier. this is happening more than you might think, and in places you might not expect. take kansas, where the democratic governor of that deep red state, laura ckelly announcd

endorsement of 160 republicans, including two former gop governors and a former republican senator, or pennsylvania, where at least 17 prom negligent republicans have endorsed the democratic ag josh shapiro over doug mastriano, an election denying state senator who was outside the capitol on january 6th. those republicans crossing party lines include charlie dent, former speaker of the state house, denny o'brien, and secretary of homeland security under president bush. in arizona, the democratic slate led by senator mark kelly, has been highlighting endorsements. and liz cheney said she would vote democrat in she lived in arizona. oklahoma, to ohio, to new york where republican nominees touting democratic endorsements. if you take a step back, you can see one of the main themes of the cross party endorsements is old school center right

republicans standing up to trumpist election deniers who have taken over the base of the party. to that extent, it's a principled protest vote but yes, swing voters and ticket splitters still exist, and even if they're on the marginis it could make all the difference. specifically white college educated voters in the suburbs, helped biden win georgia but midterm elections bring out a different cut of the electorate than presidential years and the economist has said the average swing voter is a young hispanic male without a college education who lives in the city and considers himself to be moderate. that's a very different deal and more of a jump ball than hyper partisans might like. in a political world that seems remorselessly divided between hard core republicans and democrats, the presence of politicians who are willing to vote for the person and not the party is a hopeful sign.

it's not the easy thing to do given the suffocating reality of the partisan economy, but it's the right thing to do, and that's always worth honoring. and that's your reality check. >> john avlon, thank you very much for that. . let's bring in dr. sanjay gupta. you were explaining to us how john fetterman's stroke recovery how after he revealed he used closed captioning to understand conversations, there's been some discussion about this. can you talk to us a little bit more about how this works? >> yeah, i mean, first of all, this is a pretty serious stroke. it's certainly one that he can recover from, but it's serious no doulbt. based on what we've heard, a lot of people can see what's going on here. let me show you this, i find this fascinating, again, when we talk about speech, the idea that speech is your ability to express yourself through spoken and written word, but also to

receive speech and that's typically done on the left side of the brain over here. what is interesting about fetterman is his ability to understand speech seems to be affected. his processing of those sounds, he's relying on what's back here, which is your visual areas of brain, instead, to basically read the words and then be able to respond. i watched a lot of that interview that he did, and you know, he responds pretty quickly once he reads the words. sometimes he has difficulty saying the words, which, again, would be a part of the brain up here that's likely affected. it was may 13th when he had this stroke, and again, sounds like it was a serious stroke. they had to go in there with a device and actually pull out the clot, the blood clot that was causing a blockage in one of the blood vessels, it's been almost five months since his stroke. people will and can recover for some time after a stroke like this. in fact, they use all of these different scales to sort of

measure this sort of thing. one of the things they use in the world of neurology is a modified rankin scale, trying to figure out how disabled somebody is by this, and you know, he seems to be getting along okay physically, but it's really his speech that's most adversely affected, depending where you are and he might be sort of orange red on this modified rankin scale. you can over time starting to improve and have a good recovery, but it can take a while. six months is the bench nmark tt people often say. people can have recovery up to 18 months later. >> he's five months into it, but there's a chance it could get better as time goes on? >> yeah, that is typically the case. again, those first six months are usually when you're trying to see how much of a recovery someone is likely to happen. if they have a lot of recovery early, then their end point is likely to be better. if they're recovering more slowly, the end point is not as

good. he does seem to be recovering. again, we don't know because we haven't seen the medical records and he was off the campaign trail for a period of time, so, you know, i would not minimize the seriousness of this by any means, but the idea that someone can still recover. that's very much a possibility. >> dr. sanjay gupta, great to have you back on this important subject. thank you very much. and "new day" continues right now. dueling speeches this morning amid revenge strikes from russia. i'm brianna keilar with john berman. v vladimir putin and defense secretary lloyd austin speaking this morning as the russian president ramps up attacks on ukraine. putin speaking at a russian energy forum in moscow, and secretary austin addressed a nato defense meeting in brussels. >> putin assumes that his forces