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for new treatments for child and brain cancers. a lot of the treatments are very owed. eva underwent chemotherapy and radiation. it was brutal. last, week abe and her family went to disney world thanks to a make-a-wish foundation. this is a foul with her family from cinderella's castle. they arrived in florida. they had a reason to celebrate, though she's not april school yet. they told her -- she has no evidence of. even her family had a great time. they met mickey mouse. they give him big hugs. the family also went to a pop, road rights there. . her favorite right was back in magic kingdom thunder mountain which is a road, with her hands up on as promised on the program last time we talked to her. we wish her well and her family well and our thoughts tonight are with so many kids and her families facing adversity. news continues, let's hand it over to jake tapper and cnn tonight. >> welcome to cnn tonight. i'm jake tapper. our cherished ideals of free speech are in the hands of erratic billionaires.
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the most recent of whom is he a, the artist formerly known as kanye west, who today announced he was going to purchase parlor. do you know what parlor is the word might invoked the image of a fancy room or a cute little lady sitting in sitting there too from china. but parler is decidedly not that. parler it's a far right fringe, social media platform. and you first might have heard of it around the time of the capital insurrection, january 6th, 2021, because many of the violent rioters, organized on parlor. the podcaster, swisher, that very day ask one of the founders of parler if he felt any responsibility for the death and destruction to which he said this -- >> i don't feel responsible for any of this, and neither should the platform considering we are a neutral town square. and it just adheres to the laws. so, if people are organizing something, that's more of a problem of people are upset. they feel disenfranchised. >> yes, people were upset, and
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they felt disenfranchised. not long after that interview, apple and google removed the parler app from their stores. amazon stopped providing it with what posting services, and that co, matze, was fired. and today, parler markets itself as the premier, global free speech platform, from here. it might be a little generous, given that parler saw just 0.02 points or percent of the visitors that twitter saw last month -- from here. either way, the sack is popular among conspiracy theorists erection liar and bigots. today partner celebrated the new deal saying that kanye west made goat a groundbreaking move into the free speech media space and will never have to fear being removed from social media again. now, long before all of this, you probably first became aware of ye, or kanye west, as a musical genius. ♪ ♪ ♪
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>> a fantastic song, runaway. but kanye's antics have long threaten to overshadow its talents. the first glimmers of which we saw when he jumped on stage, and entered this 2009 video music awards after taylor swift, and beat out beyoncé for best female video. >> i'm gonna let you finish. but beyoncé has one of the best videos of all-time. >> we all had our opinions about that interruption, including president obama. >> the young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. she is getting her award. why would he do that? he is a. >> jack astley is one thing, bigotry quite another. and kanye's interest in buying parler comes just days after instagram and twitter restricted his accounts, in
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response to his blatant antisemitism, including a tweet where he about to go, quote death con three on jewish people. the time when antisemitic violence in the united states is at an all-time high. according to the anti-defamation league. so, when parler celebrates the free speech, let's be clear, kanye was not block from twitter and instagram because he challenged critical race theory, or vaccine mandates. it was because he threatened to kill jews. kanye with also recently seen wearing a white shirt, that some on the right began using in response to the blm movement. alongside their, conservative commentator candace owens. it may or may not surprising to learn that candace owen's husband just so happens to be the ceo of parler parent company. so, kanye now becomes the latest billionaire to buy his way into the social media
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legion of boom. former president donald trump, who was suspended from facebook and twitter, after, of course, he incited that deadly capitol insurrection, he has truth social. and elon musk will likely soon own twitter. twitter, well before offering to buy it, this musk has been an active user, with 109 million followers's. musk has posted quite a few controversial tweets, the one i can get out of my head has to do with this man. vernon unsworth. vernon unsworth helped save 12 boys in thailand after they were stranded inside a flooded cave for weeks on end. he's such a hero he's depicted in ron howard's new movie, 13 lives, about that incredible rescue. >> 12 boys and their coach are trapped in the flooded caves. >> hello? >> hi, we are here. >> now, at the time, elon musk
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try to get in on the rescue, offering him a mature summary, which unsworth called a pr stunt. and musk, he did not like that. he called that gave diver a, quote, beto guy. which unsworth and pretty much everyone else took to mean, pedophile. a hideous charts that musk doubled down on and tripled down on, and unsworth took musk to court for defamation. it's a case that unsworth lost. >> vernon went toe to toe with a billionaire bully, and not many people have the courage to do that. >> so, that was a quote ruled, legally protected speech by elon musk. but that does not make it right, which is the area in which we find ourselves in this debate. none of musk's bizarre and offensive tweets have met the bar for removal from twitter.
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after all, that is the rug. what is the bar? and who decides? facebook's own ad since the acknowledge that vernon equipped to make these calls. >> i don't know if that is right to have a private corporation like facebook, dictating what those boundaries are. >> one of the reasons we are even having this discussion is that social media companies have, really, mainly, since the pandemic began, put their hand on the lever. and sometimes, messed up. jake, for example, the idea that covid, possibly, came from a lab leak. even, incredible scientists started saying that that was something the medical community should be investigating. but regardless, facebook flagged those posts as false or debunked. facebook attached fact-checked warnings to any posts, questioning the idea of whether or not the virus that originated in a wet market,
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until, until the biden administration said, that they were going to investigate it. and then, the ban was lifted. a similar story when just before the 2020 election, the new york post started reporting that the fbi had obtained a laptop belonging to joe biden's son, hunter biden, containing all sorts of hideous material. facebook and twitter took steps to battle up that reporting, and keep the posts stories from being shared. >> the fbi, basically, came to us. some folks in our team were like, hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. >> but now, we know that other media organizations, including the washington post, had authenticated some of the emails on the laptop, and that there is a federal investigation going on right now into hunter biden. these kinds of decisions are a part of what is fueling any push for alternate social media.
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what is being built by these other companies, as free speech? but we should note, does parler have standards. parler does moderate content. it might not be a lot of moderating, but they're not particularly high standards. but parler we moved, for example, unhinged attorney lynn would post, when he called her the execution of former vice president mike pence. trump's truth social company, according to public citizen, blocked some content that promotes abortion rights. variety reported that a number of truth social users, democrats, were blocked from posting about the january 6th hearings. so, all of these sites have some standards, not high ones, but they ain't pure free speech sites. that claim is more about marketing than it is about the principle of pure free speech. the fewest rules, the lowest standards are at the social media site, gap, which
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currently gets nearly ten times more monthly visit on average than parler. i signed up for gab this morning. i clicked on explore, which took me two popular posts across gab. i came in with an open mind, and immediately, gab hit me with this post. quote, we are in a wartime, but it's a quiet war, perpetrated by the jew, with a picture of adolf hitler. and there was plenty more where that came from. the n-word is super big on gab. it is a cesspool of hate. but we should note, gab moderates content, when too. you can't transmit unwanted advertising or promotional material on gab. you can't impersonate someone else on gab. you can't do anything that might cause gab, itself, to be harassed on gab. so, again, gab, too, does not just allow any speech. it takes precautions. it doesn't seem to care about hate speech, however.
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the suspect who killed 11 people at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, in 2018, he frequently attacked jews in his posts on gab. he was targeting jews right up until the moment he got out of his car, and went into slaughter innocent jews. some of the users on gab, after the massacre, hailed him as a hero. so, what can, and what should, be done here? unfortunately, lawmakers in congress have not really figured it out. and by, it, i mean how to turn on their commuters, and use a mouse. >> how do you sustain the latest model for the service? >> senator, we run -- >> is twitter the same as what you do? >> it overlaps what you commit to, ending fenced up. >> we don't actually do -- >> so, you can be forgiven for not thinking congress is going to rise to the rescue, and save us from this conundrum. supreme court justice louis
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brandeis, wrote, almost 100 years ago, that for bad speech, for lies and evil, quote, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not in enforced silence. it's a proposition with which i generally agree that speech should be met with better speech, not with censorship. in the aftermath of the synagogue attack, executives at gab something similar. quote, the answer of that speech will always be more speech, on quote. but the more speech i saw on gab this afternoon was more speech hailing not seize, and more speech engaging and holocaust denial. and more speech sharing more hideously racist posts than i've ever seen in one place in my life. i saw less of it, but still, too much of it on parlor, today. it's about time we recognize that the hate on many of these far-right sites is not just an unfortunate result of belief in free speech. they hate is the whole point.
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been built, upfitted and ready to go. because we believe dreams - should never stay that way. >> kanye west, or, ye, as he's now called, is speaking out with a new interview on bloomberg, about why he's moving to acquire the social media platform, parler, saying, quote, when i got kicked off on instagram and twitter, at the time, i knew it was time to acquire my own platform, or using this as a night for the people who have been bullied by the thought police to come and speak their mind. express how you feel. express what's tied up inside of you. express what's been haunting you. i use social media as my therapist, unquote. remember, he was kicked off instagram and twitter for threatening to kill jews. ye also told bloomberg that he expects to have dinner with
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donald trump this weekend, and he plans to invite the former president to use parler. joining me now is scott galloway, a tech entrepreneur and business professor at nyu. scott, good to see you. so, trump, kanye, elon musk, three billionaires who either have social media platforms, or are trying to acquire them. if you could get all three together in a room, what would you tell them? >> come on in, the water is fine. you've got the car. billionaires acquiring media platforms is nothing original. but they usually have garb rails in the form of, bezos when he offered to buy bloomberg, media companies have newsrooms, they have editors, and they have some respects for a fact checking, or some attempt to find the truth. this doesn't feel like free speech. it feels like me speech. and they're just finding a platform that will let them stay there, and that they want on feathered. and here's the bad news. the catalyst for them for using
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this platform is just to continue to spew this anti-semitic or hate or misinformation on election. here is the good news. these platforms are failing. our consumers have voted. and they want some form of moderation, and they want edited content. so, you know, come on in, the water is fine. >> all three of these billionaires are already individuals with huge platforms. elon musk, donald trump, kanye west, none of them seems particularly focused on being responsible about what they say with these platforms. does that concern you? >> yeah, but i don't think it's their fault. i think it's our fault. specifically, citizens have to elect representatives that will hold these platforms for the same standards we hold other media companies, and that is, if you incite an insurrection or violence on a platform, that platforms should be subject to the same liability that you and i would be subject to, if something we said resulted in violence. section 230 means carved out.
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the way they carved out human trafficking, and you carve out health misinformation, or anything that rallies violence. fox news anchors had to go on air and the record refute their previous statement that dominion voting machines have been weaponized by the venezuelan government. and that is absolutely the right thing. so, it's our fault. we need to elect representatives to understand technology, and stop letting these platforms spread misinformation, and have algorithms that hike incendiary content, and give it more organic, give it more some way that we get organic. the senator's voice is important. free speech is important. giving this type of hate speech and misinformation more reach, on its own, that's a problem. >> so, i read an interesting paper in the columbia law review about how a lot of the more mainstream platforms, facebook, instagram, twitter, started really clapping down much more during the pandemic,
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because of fear fears of erroneous health information. and i certainly understand that. but at the same time, facebook clamped down on folks who were theorizing, and not fringe people either. like scientists, doctors, who are theorizing about the origin of the wuhan virus of covid-19, about the lab leak theory, about the fresh market, the wet market theory. and they later had to take it back. they later had to unborn those comments. so, i hear what you are saying, but i guess in another way of saying it, is it easier said than done? misinformation, one day, sometimes, becomes a legitimate target for discussion than the next. >> i think that's a fair point, and even early on, i remember, some of our health organizations were saying that masks were not effective. and so, not worried about not getting a mask, that ended up
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not being true. fringe theories become sometimes less fringe. i guess the issue is the following, and that is, should you have algorithms that look at anxiety and anger, as a key component of what they decide to put another peoples feeds? and that is a gambit. the centers voices important. someone should be able to say that mrna vaccine might alter your dna, that's fine. the question is whether algorithms and some of our brightest and best people, resource companies, should have an incentive to spread that type of information beyond the reach of that, organically, because it is incendiary. >> that seems to be such a key part of this, because, i just know, as big a social media user, the more benign the post, the more one appeals to that charitable impulses off a user, a reader. the less it seems to make its
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way around the internet, and whereas, you know, if i, for instance, if i do a video of the eagles rooting, cheering tweet, a lot of people say that, because a lot don't want to read about me loving the philadelphia eagles. >> well, i mean, this is just a history of media gone, and starting to exponentially advance. that is in the 70s, abc decided they were making so much money with tech commercials and pontiac commercials and amidst of the -- they thought they would run this public service called, news. and it was 21 minutes of facts, three minutes of opinion. and they found that the ratings were much greater for opinion, and or all a big guilty of this, jake, in the media. and that is, we've decided that more controversial novel content is more entertaining, engages users, and is more profitable. and all of these social media companies have figured out a way to turn us all into
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tyrannosaurus rex's, with violence and movement. and the falsehoods and conspiracies spread seven times faster. so, unfortunately, our traditional media company, and especially, our new media companies, have a profit incentive around spreading misinformation. i am here in london, and i do think there is some value to the notion of publicly supporting media that tries to call strikes. and then, a layer of for profit media. i think both are important. but there is no doubt about that argument, incentives are creating a world where our discourses are becoming more coarse, and if you want more profit, you should engage in misinformation. >> before you go, i need to ask, is the musk deal with twitter, do you think it's gonna go through? >> yeah, i think so. i think he's entered into a terrible deal. this will go down as the second most acquisition in history on the day of closing. this is a company that is worth 10 to 15 bucks of cher. he spent 54, 20 of shareholders, they're gonna force them to
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close. the chancery report is ready to force him to close, and again, on the first day, the moment disclose, as it comes probably the second or stack was issued in history, just behind the acquisition of time warner by aol. yeah, i do think it closes today. >> scott galloway, thanks so much. good to see you as always. >> thank you, jake >> the name struck fear in the pacific theater of world war ii. it struck fear across ukraine now. the word of course is kamikaze. this time, it's kamikaze or suicide drones. former ambassador to the un, john bolton, joins me now to look at russia's new strategy, and the iranian factor. that is next. ♪ ♪ ♪
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talk to anyone in san francisco and they'll tell you now is not the time to make our city even more expensive by raising taxes. san francisco has one of the largest
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city budgets in america. yet when it comes to homelessness and public safety, we're not getting results. what we really need are better policies, more accountability, and safer neighborhoods. vote no on propositions m and o. the last thing we need are higher taxes, especially right now. now is not the time to raise taxes in san francisco. vote no on m and o. >> tonight, even ukrainians living far from the wars front lines, in the country's capital city, are keeping one eye on the sky. this is what they do not want
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to see, the so-called kamikaze drone. they are one and done, destroyed and attacked, they're cheaper than the missiles russia has been using. and they're part of a deadly new assault on ukraine civilian population and critical infrastructure. [noise] -- >> they quit in military says its forces have managed to shut down most of russia's kamikaze drones, but it's a little consolation when the fireball over this island can be targeting your home, next, i'm joined now by john bolton, former ambassador to the united nations, and of president george w. bush, and former national security adviser under president donald trump. mister ambassador, thanks for being here. vladimir putin, obviously, does not care about committing war crimes. he is sending these into, and they're successfully killing civilians. how can the rest of the world hold him accountable? >> well, i think the most important thing we can do is help the ukrainians defeat the russians, because ultimately,
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the solution for the west, as a whole, is regime change in russia. that's not gonna be easy. it's not gonna occur soon. but one thing is certain, if putin's aggression is seen as exceeding in ukraine, even in barr, it will strengthen his position in russia, and it will send terrible signals to other capitals, specifically, beijing. so, there is a lot on the line here. and that, not just in terms of security in europe, between, security around the world. >> are you worried if house republicans take back the house that support for military aid to ukraine will dissipate? we've already seen sizeable portions of the house republican conference say that they don't support this war. >> well, i think the message is a little mixed, and i think when they see what progress has been made on the battlefield, i think that changes. some were easy votes, miss because they knew there would be majorities to support biden's quest for assistance. i think in the senate, by contrast, that republican what
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dissent has been minimal. >> in the idea, the constant attacks of the civilian population is to break ukrainian support. it does not appear to be working. we've got our hands on a new gallup poll that is going to be released tomorrow. it finds that 70% of ukrainians want zelenskyy to keep fighting. 91% of ukrainians told gallup it will not be a win until they get back all their territory, including crimea. does that surprise you? >> no, i'm with the ukrainians. i'm not sure the target is ukrainian per se, i think it's european morale, and germany morale, and france, and other countries. winter is coming. it's not at all clear they have enough energy to get through the winter, home heating means things like that. but especially, their manufacturing and production needs, but we're all going into a recession, it looks like. europe's recession may be deeper, and if their factories aren't functioning, it will be deeper still. and that will allow putin to pray on european leaders who just want to turn the page now anyway.
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so that what he cannot win on the battlefield, he may win by breaking europe's political resolve. >> how about the iranians? because according to the u.s. and its allies, they are the ones providing russia with these drones, these kamikaze drones, which would be in violation of the united nations resolution, which would bar iran from buying or selling weapons? you are a former un ambassador, what could the un do about it? >> heavens, can you imagine iran violating a un resolution! >> unimaginable! >> like the nuclear agreement that the biden its nation is still trying to pursue. this iranian regime is busy building nuclear weapons, repressing its own people, especially the woman, selling drones to russia. i think this is the, this is an indication of, really, what the new on top between russia, iran, and china is gonna look like. i think it's one more reason to support the opposition in iran, to see the regime overthrown. but also, to make the point that it doesn't matter who aids
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the russians here, we are gonna stick with ukrainians. we're gonna defeat this aggression. >> they kenyans have kamikaze drones, too. they have been sending their is to target the military base in crimea. an airbase in sebastopol, and russian ships, that's what they're using theirs for, legitimate military targets. what does it tell you, putin is using theirs for civilians, attacking civilians? >> well, at least for a time, he was trying to knock out infrastructure, power production, that sort of thing. now, it just looks indiscriminate. i will say, the u.s. and others have healthy greens back, except the greens have gotten a little bit more on the offensive mode here in crimea and territory putin considers russian, and i think they ought to do more of that. i mean, you don't have to be polite when somebody invades your country. you should be allowed to go after targets in their country, too, which the ukrainians have done, they just haven't taken credit for. >> before you go, i want to get
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your reaction from this post on truth social from your former boss, donald trump, calling for american jews to be, quote, more appreciative of his administrators work, regarding his role. he wrote, u.s. jews have to get their act together, and appreciate what they have in israel, before it is too late. a lot of people thought that was pretty antisemitic. what was your take? >> well, i think it's antisemitic. it's also very typical of trump. look at all that i've done, how can you not support me. this is the kind of attitude that brought the kind of destruction that we saw during and at the end of his administration, in particular, it's more evidence, he is not fit to be president. >> former ambassador, john bolton, thanks much for being here. it's good to see you again. >> while ukraine fights off an enemy invader, america is battling an enemy within. opioid edition, it could be an even harder foe to vanquish. and now, cities in the deadly problem, it becomes an issue in midterm elections, especially in ohio. we'll tell you about that, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ they'll help you create a flexible strategy
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>> ohio is one of the states hit hardest by the opioid epidemic here in america. and tonight, the crisis was a
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key point of discussion during the final debate between senate candidates, tim ryan, the democrat, and j.d. vance, the republican. ryan, using the opportunity to criticize advance for pulling out of a fund-raiser over the weekend, after it was reported that one of the hosts, dr. ravi, had been cited in a lawsuit against purdue pharma, a company accused of worsening the crisis, as well as other companies. take a listen. >> recently, a saturday, j.d. vance was doing a fund-raiser with a guy who is raising money with one of the top ten pill pushers doctors, in the entire country. and he just canceled it, you know why? because the press broke the story, and he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. >> joining us now to discuss is patrick writing keith. he's the author of empire of pain: the sacred history of the sackler dynasty. also with us, beth macy, the
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author of dope sick: dealers, doctors, and the drug company that addicted america. let me start with you, that. j.d. vance gave a statement to cnn, responding to pulling out that weekend fund-raiser. it reads, quote, j.d.'s own mother suffered from opioid addiction. this issue is deeply personal to j.d., and ryan intends to weaponize against him. tim ryan has taken tens of thousands of dollars for the very big pharma joins, who paid billions for their roles and the opioid epidemic, unquote. let me remove you, too, from the back and forth in the ohio senate race. how much do you think, beth, that lawmakers in general are at least partly culpable for the opioid crisis? >> well, i think of the words of richard sackler who said, i can get any senator or congressman on the phone in an hour, if i want to. i think the opioid crisis is brought to us by greed. i think the sackler and perdue
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started it, and then, other companies joined in, and that our regulatory systems were basically brought off. everything from the fda, the dea, to the medical education journals got co-opted by companies. so, i think, very much, the opioid crisis is here as an indictment of the entire system. >> and patrick, j.d. vance also went after ryan for accepting money from pharmaceutical companies. take a listen. >> those commercials are paid for by pharmaceutical blood money, because tim ryan received tens of thousands of dollars for the very companies that have profited off this, and that's exactly how he is able to fund the lies that he's able to put on tv against me. >> ryan says that his record on taking on big pharma is, quote, impeccable. again, stepping away from the senate ohio senate race. what specifically do you think all the money that big pharma has given to all the politicians across the country, what does that result what has
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that resulted in? >> it resulted in a public health crisis that killed more than half 1 million americans, right? i think what you saw over a period of decades, really, was huge spending by this companies that we're generating billions of dollars, setting these pills. and what they were trying to do is change the mind of the medical establishment, to say these trucks aren't addictive. they should be more widely prescribed. when you started getting lawmakers looking into tightening up regular, regulations to make it harder to prescribe them, they would lobby, and work on those. when the justice department or state authorities tried to pursue criminal actions, civil actions, they found ways in which to stop them from doing so. so, i think it's really a story about the awesome power of private money to corrupt public institutions. it should be protecting citizens against consumers. >> that's the conversation about fentanyl and the u.s. mexico border has become intermingled with a conversation about the opioid crisis. j.d. vance has slammed tim ryan and president biden for not stopping the flow of fentanyl
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across the u.s. mexico border. explain to us the relationship between the border and fentanyl prices, and the opioid crisis, because some people might think they're different? >> yeah, well, you know, fentanyl really started at the end of the obama administration. the, it blew up during the trump administration, and it continues today during the biden administration. it's basically what is creating most of the overdose deaths that we had in the last year. and what i think we saw tonight with the debate was advancing particular using a fentanyl, as a way to sort of hand ring about immigration, and it's a very political tool. what i didn't hear either one of them talk about was the treatment gap that we have in this nation, which is 87%. that means, only 13% of people with opioid use disorder, or oh
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you do, managed to get treatment in the last year. so, we've, sure, we've got to stop fentanyl at the border. but we also have to equally put efforts into stopping the demand for it, because we know that people who are addicted aren't doing it at the end of their journey just to get high, they are doing it to avoid being toxic. and until we start treating them as human beings with treatable metal medical conditions, we're gonna continue to have overdose deaths going up every year. >> patrick, the latest numbers from the cdc show the epidemic is getting worse, as beth just mentioned, one heard 8000 americans died from jack over sources in 2022, an increase of 16% from last year. this is now a period of time where the country is well aware of the opioid crisis. how is it still continuing? >> well, i think part of the reason, actually, you could see this debate, where there is
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this tendency, a very american tendency to think of these issues exclusively in terms of supply side, you think we will solve this purely by thinking about supply, and not thinking about demand, not taking a hard look at ourselves. years ago, i was writing an article about the mexican drug cartel. i remember interviewing a d agent. he told me, this is years ago, he told me about them building a stretch of border wall in arizona. this high tech, very expensive wall wall that they both, and he said the next day the cartels were down there with accountable to throw hundred pound bills of marijuana over the wall. you have catapults going over the wall. you've got over 100 tunnels that have been dug under the wall. you are not going to solve the opioid crisis at the southern border. i think that is politically convenient, but a bit of a fantasy. >> patrick and beth, stick with us. i have more questions for you, because the sadler family used to be synonymous with wealth, prestige, philanthropy. it can be challenging to discuss the opioid crisis without mentioning them. patrick wrote a book about it, and a new documentary examines
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>> the sackler family, one of the most notorious families in the united states, blamed by many victims of the opioid crisis, for helping to fuel it for pure profit. the sacklers owned purdue pharmaceuticals, the makers of oxycontin, one of the drugs responsible for the thousand of overdose deaths in america every year. in march of 2021, the sackler family reached a roughly six billion dollar settlement with a group of states that had been suing purdue pharma. they did that in exchange for immunity against future similar suits, but a bankruptcy judge
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rejected the settlement, and is contemplating a ruling on appeal, the movement against the billionaire dynasty, known for their philanthropic -- continues to snowball. the new documentary, all the beauty and bloodshed, looks at the life of activist nan golden who has made it her mission to convince museums to part ways with a sackler family. >> we need to demand that the met museum to refuse donations from the sacklers and take down their name. >> the rich people are scared, and we are gonna dig into the evil money. >> and we are back with patrick radden keith, and beth macy. macy is the author of a brand-new book, called the overdose crisis. both of them are authors and brilliant chronicles and journalists about this opioid crisis. patrick, you wrote the book about the sackler family, the
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definitive book, and the connection to the opioid crisis. explain why the send settlement was significant? >> i think there were a lot of people who had been pushing for accountability for that sackler family for a long time. this is a family that until recently, their name was on museums, art museums, universities, and they were celebrated as elite america. nobody was really connecting them to this terrible overdose crisis that they had such a hand in helping to create. you end up with this kind of funny situation in which their company ends up and back on the, you might wonder how could a company that has generated 35 billion dollars in revenue for this one drug, could end up and back quincy, the reason is because the family has been quietly pulling money out of the company, for ten years leading up to this. for ten years, family has taken more than ten billion dollars out of the company, and they say, too bad, the company's bankrupt. so they've got to keep the money. you end up with this settlement, in which they've committed to paying six billion dollars, which neither a lot or a little, depending on your point of
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view. and they're gonna get this sweeping draft of immunity. this is an outcome that has left a lot of victims of the opioid crisis feeling but you are, feeling as though that's not justice. >> and beth, you've written the definitive book about the victims on the frontlines, dope sick, while this deal was hailed as a breakthrough, many, many victims of the opioid crisis found it so unsatisfying, because they have struggled. they've lost loved ones. there are still struggling because of the epidemic. the sackler family has voiced, quote, regret, but they deny any wrongdoing. beth, they say in a court filing, quote, while the family has enacted wrongfully in all respects, they seem to sincerely regret that oxycontin, prescription medicine, that became part of the opioid crisis that has brought grief and loss to far too many families and communities. cnn, we should note, reached out to the sacklers, and did not get anything. what did you, what is your take on all of this, pat?
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>> unexpectedly, they knew as early as 1990, nine that the drug was being widely diverted, and sold, and massively overprescribed. i'm a doctor i profiled, dope sick, calls purdue in the early odds and says, look, i know you your label says it's virtually non addictive but i kids i immunized as babies who are overdosing and high school library. and they laughed at him. they wrote him off as a joke and they continue to do that. they are criminals. you know, the company has pleaded guilty twice. but, no, none of the sackler owners have been charged. so, you know, i follow in my new book, i follow back the parents of the dead. they come together as ad hoc, many accountability. last december, while the case was on its way to being appealed again, they held a
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rally outside of the department of justice, where they begged the doj to do its gop. and i think that's what a lot of, more than 1 million families that have lost folks want the doj to do. >> but macy, and patrick radden keefe, thank you for being here tonight. thank you for your journalism, it's so important, and i'm so honored that you're with me here, tonight with me. we'll be right back.
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