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they'll be counting votes across the country, an those votes will determine not only control of congress, but of crucial local and state offices that could shape the 2020 race. and both sides are out right now trying fire up their bases. >> and of course the president, he is taking a different tactic, he is trying to appeal to younger voters today, particularly on abortion rights. there are new polls that find democrats may be in trouble with another group. gen x may be leaning away from democrats. and the question really tonight is why. joining us now, cnn political commentator paul begala, and cnn political analyst laura barone lopez. you know, first of all, are we going to say what generation we're? >> oh, definitely. i'm a proud gen xer. we should put it up to define it. i think at this table we might have a baby boomer, two gen xers, a millennial, and unknown. >> gen x. >> three gen xs.
i didn't know if you were gen z or x. >> thank you. thank you pour the compliment. >> i was born in the 1980s in july. i'm gen x adjacent. >> i think you count. >> 1980? are you a cusper. >> all right. we round out. i'm gen x. >> no offense. >> so paul, what's going on in gen x? basically, they are -- their choice for congress is significantly more republican than any of those other age demos. >> it's the weakest stage for democrats. what happens for a lot of people -- not everybody -- you identify with the party whose president you came of age under. i'm at the end of the baby boom, but i don't remember woodstock or vietnam. i don't culturally identify with the baby boomers. the first election i voted in was reagan against carter. i was at the university of texas. reagan carry mid campus overwhelmingly. i was this the minority.
i voted for carter. but those folks i grew up who are gen x, they're still -- they identify with reagan, they're still republican. young people today, they came of age, positive identification with barack obama, and then the moises alou amazing negative identification i've ever seen with donald trump. some of it is that. you identify either positively or negatively or in the case of obama and trump, both, which is why young people are the most wonderfully solid group of age demographics for the datz. democrats. >> and yet president biden is trying to make sure that he is trying to entice younger voters by talking about the guarantees he and democrats if they retain the house, senate majority will do to codify reproductive rights. i wonder if it's persuasive politically speaking. that the coveted demographic? and is his approach persuasive? >> well, after president obama
showed that young voters actually vote, that they turn out and vote, democrats have been trying to get young voters to continually turn out in big numbers. in 2018, we saw them break records for their age group's, millennials. and in 202010 again, millennials, gen zers with gen xers turned out in greater numbers than anyone over the age of 55 to 60. so young voters vote. the question a lot of times for millennials and gen zers is whether or not they're motivated to vote for democrats. so that's why you've seen president biden. his numbers, when they were so bad, they're not that great now, but when they really dip down last year, his approval rating, a lot of that had to do with the fact that democrats weren't enthusiastic about president biden. they -- and young voters where his numbers had been high with them in 2020, exiting 2020 they went down. and it's because a lot of them were not seeing what they thought he was going to do,
accomplish. so with student debt, with abortion, with roe being overturned, i think we've seen those numbers start to tick back up. and young voters have been registering in greater numbers this cycle than they did in 2018. >> david, you are general counsel for c pac. you know quite well the conservative base and the thoughts that surround it. what is the strategy in play? obviously it's a coveted demographic in younger voters for reasons that laura's talked about. what is the approach in that category? is that why you're seeing more of a push towards younger voters and gen x is more conservative? where is it? >> look, gen xers, i think paul's got a fair point that everybody imprints on the first presidential race they participate in. but at the same time, gen xers are uniquely positioned. because they're approaching retirement age. you guys are far younger than i am. our 401(k)s are taking a nose-dive. home values are dropping, right?
so they're starting to feel great unease about what's coming up. we had $30 trillion in debt. that all impacts social security. all of these things come and are undermining confidence in the gen xers. >> are you saying they haven't always been a conservative cohort? they're getting more conservative? >> i think they are getting more conservative. as we see all of these things add together. and in a weird way, i kind of feel bad for the white house, because they can't -- they can't get a break. if they try to appeal to the gen xers, or if they try to appeal to the young people with student loans, the student loan vote buyoff, they're going to upset the gen xers, all of whom have paid their student loans off by now. if they don't appeal to the young people, if they don't do the student loans, the activists go crazy. they can't win either way. the divides are much more -- they're there. but they're much more pronounced on race, gender, education, region.
they're terrible divides all across the country. the good news is the worst of them is not age. there is a terrible divide on particularly race and on education, particularly on white people. if you're a white person and went to college, golly, when i went to kid, if your name was on your shirt, you were a democrat. if your initials were engraved on your lapel, you're republican. now it's switched. all the college educated white people are in my party. the high school educated people in his party. so those divides trouble me a lot more than the generational divides. >> i wonder if a part of it, we talk about generations, there is always the nostalgia component, where people have a skewed perception of what america is and what it looks like. do i recognizehe country still? is it what i anticipated if i was imprinted in the way you're talking about. is part of this conversation a skews rose colored glasses nostalgia for older voters, hence the phrase make america
great again, followed by those who say make america what it ought to be in future generations. >> i think that definitely plays a role. when you look at all the studies and the polls of millennials and gen zer, you go down the issues. even though they're more likely to say they're not affiliated with a certain party, or they're more likely to affiliate as an independent, on all the issues they skew more towards democrats. on climate change, on lgbtq rights, on abortion, on racial justice. you go down the list. and they tend to vote much more democratic. and i think that's because on a lot of these issues, you pick out climate change. it's something they feel absolutely strongly about in a way i think some of the older generations don't. >> how about crime? >> so crime is one of those issues that cuts across generational lines, right. if you don't feel safe, you're going to vote for change. and i think that's the real problem that we have across the board is we can talk about the
drivers of crime, but there is no disputing that crime has spiked in major cities and in rural areas. and that's driving people to feel less safe. and if you feel less safe, your going to go to the polls and make this a change election. that's what we're seeing up and down. and what i would say is that we see at cpac, we're seeing a resurgence in young people. i've never seen so many young people. they're motived by the life issue. there is a substantial and growing pro-life cohort within gen z that were raised on pope john paul. they were raised on pro-life messages from the church. and they are coming out in force. are they as dominant -- >> they're not the majority. >> they're not the majority, but they're a lot more vocal than i expected. and we're seeing that across the board.
>> while we're on this political discussion, i just want to also clarify something that i said earlier. i had the wrong information. in fact, that bill that was proposed by senator lindsey graham about an abortion ban that senator marco rubio i think co-sponsored, it does allow for exceptions, for rape and incest and the life of the mother. i apologize for that confusion. okay. stick around. >> thank you. >> stick around, everybody. we have a lot more to talk about. tell us what you think. tweet us at alisyn camerota and laura coates, and we'll read some of your thoughts later this hour. m. its activelift technology provides an unbeatable clean on 24 hour dried-on stains. skip the rinse with finish to save our water.
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both of your perspectives, because, you know, we talk about what the nation is thinking. you hear about the polls. and then it's not until you really have the conversations on air when you get people to really weigh in and tell you what they're thinking about. so gentlemen, i'll start with you, bill, here. when people are fired up about a topic, when they are hearing about a particular debate or aspect of our politics, what are the things that they are really fired up about and calling you about? >> well, first of all, i find that people are really excited about these midterms, which i think is great. look at the turnout so far, right? over 2.6 million people have voted already. georgia, they had a record turnout on the first day that they've ever had for the first day in midterms, which i think is great. i'm old-fashioned. i think the more people that vote the better for everybody. so i think that's very exciting. the people that i talk to, surprise, surprise, are mainly on the left of the political
equation. what i find people particularly excited about are a couple of issues. and i would call them maybe the sleeper issues in these midterms. one is abortion, the roe v. wade decision. there are more women than men. there are more women who vote than men. i think a lot of women are not telling the pollsters, but they don't like being treated as second class citizens. they don't want cops or the government in their bedroom or their doctor's office. they're going to vote on that issue. and the other issue, which i don't think we're talking enough about is democracy. there are two polls out this week that showed 71% of americans believe that democracy itself is on the line in these midterms, and i think that's going to have an impact where people are worried about the basic principle of democracy which is the people decide and the candidates accept the decision and move on. >> mark, you're nodding along. what are people calling you about? >> well, i've got about an 80-20
conservative liberal split. and on the 20 callers on the left i get, i can completely corroborate everything bill just said. interesting thing about that democracy in peril question. that's a towering number. i think if you gather 100 people concerned about democracy, half of them are concerned because trump and his supporters exist, and the other half are concerned because they think there is going to be cheating. it can be kind of different concerns for the reasons that people are worried about in democracy. abortion rights, absolutely. the left on fire about it. the conservative concerns that i hear, though, and this is what makes me feel really good about three weeks from tonight are inflation, the economy, crime, things that everybody is concerned about, whereas abortion and climate and tends to be more of an exclusively liberal concern. the republican talking points these days seem to be about things that have broader appeal. >> when you think about these issues. go ahead.
i want to hear your take on this, bill. but i also wonder for the phrase that all politics being local, we talk about -- i often ask the question, look, if you were early voting, if you were allowed to vote across this nation in any state you want, which we know is not the case, but the states they're most interested in, you find there is a bit of a trend. people are looking at these more local races, but they're seeing parallels more broadly, more nationally. they're seeing either blueprints for what is happening and they want that to be the case in their own state or they're repulsed, hoping it won't exist there. when you think local politics and the national stage, are your callers and those in radio thinking about a disconnect between really how the national media is getting it? >> boy, that's such a complicated question, laura. of course i just want to point out, i think to a certain extent, republicans are raising -- they want to talk about crime. even though there is no crimewave, they want to talk about inflation, even though inflation has kind of leveled off. they want to talk about the economy, each though the economy
is doing pretty well, thank you. in the middle of a war and getting out of covid. they don't want to talk about abortion. they keep trying to change the subject. that's why you see people like blake masters, like herschel walker backing off of this issue because they know it's such an important issue. but to your question, look. i think i agree with tip o'neill. most politics is local. and then these midterms where there is no president on the ballot, i think most people will look at their member of congress or their senator and see what's that person going to do for them and their state, having said mainly that, i still think donald trump in this midterms, even though he is not on the ballot, a huge factor because of the people he's endorsed, the rally he has given. and to a certain extent, it is still a referendum on donald trump. >> mark, i'll give you the last word here. what do you think about that? >> i think bill has some really strong points there. and i think that first of all,
as a conservative, i'll talk about abortion all day. and my gratitude for having roe v. wade return the matter properly to the states. and i think a lot of republicans are going to show up with gratitude for that. and i'll throw in with bill and tip at the same time about politics being local, which is interesting, because these big national issues of inflation and crime and education, these are very national. but they're also very local. the inflation and crime crises, and they are both crises are, not only happening nationally, but they're happening right outside everybody else's home. i feel good about our chances. >> well, bill press, marc davis, tip o'neill, thank you to all of us for joining the show today. it will be wonderful to hear from all three of you tonight. >> thanks, laura. >> come back. we like having all of your perspectives here. alisyn, it's so important to think about. it's one thing to talk about these issues, and we hear polls, and the poller coaster. what are people really talking about at the kitchen tables, the water coolers, in their cars?
i think radio gives you that moment. >> you know it so well because you're on radio every day and those guys have their finger on the pulse of what everybody is thinking. i want to give a shout out to marc davis for being so chivalrous on twitter when one person really on earth tried to criticize us, he is like put up your dukes. and he defended us, which was very sure. >> that's because people have this impression that you can only talk to people who they think are like-minded to who they perceive you to be. >> who knows. how do they know what we're thinking? >> but you know what? can we just have a conversation with people? that's part of it. i'm glad everyone is here to talk about these issues. >> it's important. >> all right. we have more of that ahead. so coming up, george floyd's family wants kanye west to stop talking about him. we'll tell you what they're doing legally. zapped in seconds. the face of clean. the face of whoa. some are of intensity, others, joy. all are of - ahhhh.
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just hours from now, former president donald trump is scheduled to sit for a deposition. this is in e. jean carroll's defamation. she is the former magazine columnist who accuses donald trump of raping her in a department store in the mid 1990s. trump has denied those allegations. let's bring back paul begala, and lawura. i interviewed her about this. she remembers it vividly. donald trump has denied it. and he did more than denying the rape. he also disparaged her in the process. he also said he had no idea who
she was. she has pictures of herself with him. and so it's interesting that a judge is forcing him to sit for this deposition, because he had tried to get out of it by saying i said these comments when i was president. so he had some sort of cover. but i guess he doesn't. >> well, right. and he is also clearly been trying to delay the potential of this deposition. what's interesting here, though, and e. jean carroll could very well amend her statement in this defamation case is that trump repeat his denial recently on truth social. so he just repeated it again while he is not president, saying i did not do this, you know, attacking her again. and so the fact that he did that publicly while he does not have the so-called protection that he says he had when she was president, to say this now, the legal understanding as far as i know it is that she could very well amend her statement and now include this in it, and it could potentially weaken his case. >> think about it. people often hear this case and
say wait a second, if somebody denies a crime, that they have committed a crime, that's defamation? no. her statement is more nuanced. it's the idea of suggesting didn't just deny it, you tried to disparage my reputation in the process. you talked about me in terminology that was suppose toddler my opinion in the community. the interesting thing about this, remember, defamation and obviously the idea of depositions is about getting information. they want to hear from him. not just get documents from him. and you can imagine the ban dora's box if you're his attorneys thinking you want him to talk and how can i control this in depositions. on the other hand, it might be, as you're talking about the way to get the renewed information of this, it's a way to now open the pandora's box into what else he might say in other instances. he's got so many investigations. i wonder if he'll be tight-lipped. >> that will be a first.
>> he could end up pleading the fifth again. >> it's a civil case. you don't have the same luxury where it can't be used you in a court of law. >> i think he likes to talk. since he is talking on truth social, and he has been talking this. i think he wants to talk about it. >> he did take the fifth in the civil lawsuit the attorney general filed against him 440 times. the guy who said only mafia guys take the fifth. he took it 440 times. several years before that, 2007, 2007, he sued the journalist tim o'brien. o'brien wrote a book in which he claimed trump is not worth anything like the amount of money he claims. that's the core of donald trump. so he sues o'brien. o'brien deposes him. and as o'brien has written, he said trump admitted under oath to 30 specific lies. well, yeah, i was lying about that, lying about that. o'brien won the lawsuit. trump lost. he's got a terrible history in
depositions. and seriously, as a lawyer, not a real one like laura, but went to the greatest law school in america, the university of texas, he needs to be really, really careful, and really tight-lipped. it's just not his nature. he is never careful and he is never tight-lipped. >> yet, if he doesn't, then what? that's part of the notion of deflondon, right? something you mentioned in 2007. i'm not saying he is without consequence. but toe date. >> that's a good point, though. what will happen if he talks about this in the deposition? >> well, let's take a step back here. because there is a real fundamental problem that i think no one's touched on. and that is as we talk about in earlier block, this campaign is going to be all about two things if you're the democrats. they want to make it about abortion. they want to make it about trump. and lo and behold, a judge two weeks or three weeks or right before the election plops in a development where they're going to force the president to testify. >> so this has been going on for a couple of years. >> that's exactly my point, alisyn. it's been going on a couple of years, three weeks more to get
us past the election wouldn't have hurt. >> he is not on the ballot. he is not president trump. he is donald, ex-president, rejected by the american people, out of office. he is not above the law. he needs to be held accountable for his conduct? >> i am not saying that anybody gets a pass. everybody gets a day in court. >> he could have agreed to a deposition six months ago thinking is a timing issue. >> it's trump's fault. >> because every single campaign wants to try to tie republican x to donald trump. >> but that's very easy. they could disavow him. >> oh you know better than that. >> but i think david's point is that perception is king. and if there is already ongoing talking points about how it appears for those who are susceptible to that logic, that is just another way to try to get at him and try to hold him accountable, and the timing is bad. is that your point? >> there has been -- look, as i said, everybody deserves a day in court. i a. not taking that away from jean carroll. what i am saying is this all of
the sudden out of the blue deposition comes in at a point in time that there is hope, i doubt that it will be effective, but there is hope that tying every republican candidate to donald trump is going to hurt every republican candidate. and so it's more than a coinc coincidence. >> but it's not really out of the blue is the point, though. >> let's be candid. we just got the new story tonight and decided to talk about it. this was a surprise in terms of its timing. >> she filed the lawsuit some time ago. you interviewed her years ago. >> the timing of the deposition is -- >> okay, 20 days from the midterm. okay. so he is immune. he is not even on a ballot. give me a break. five minutes after the midterm, he is going to announce for president. why? because he doesn't want to be held accountable in a court of law. we can't touch him then. >> baloney. he needs to be held can't. if he is innocent, testify, open up, show your evidence and testify honestly. >> you don't see that it way? >> i see that i think where paul is trying to go is justice
delayed is justice denied. and i understand that argument. but i also understand that 22 days from now doesn't change the justice denied aspect of things. what it does do is it keeps politics, or keeps us from poisoning. >> let's talk about kanye west, because apparently we can't go a night without doing. this. >> right. >> george floyd's daughter, we all remember her on the shoulder of her uncles and in her grief talking about her father. "my father was going change the world." the mother of that child is now suing kanye west, because kanye west went on a podcast and said that george floyd died of an opioid overdose. but we all watched with our own eyes about how he was killed. so they want him to stop talking, and they're going to file a cease and desist about this. what do you think, laura? >> it is curious in one respect, because we did see those
multiple minutes. we have officers who are convicted and serving time for having done so. and having it unequivocally proven to the jurors in minnesota. >> and the medical examiner. >> that's the thing. it was a knee to the neck. the ocean notion is you do have normally in definition cases, it is the action of the living. it's an action of those who are presently alive who were able to say listen, your statements are defamatory. i'll be curious to see how this is written in such a way to make it viable in this instance. but it is really aprotrocious t think about the way in which there is a constant, you know, chatter by this particular artist committee r kanye west diving into areas where the facts are otherwise. anti-semitism, now the death of george floyd. >> where he has no expertise even though he clearly has at
his disposal to educate himself, has not. yes. he said it was a fentanyl overdose. the medical examiner explicitly ruled this a homicide and said that it was -- while fentanyl may have played somewhat of a contributing role, it was not the determining factor in george floyd's death. it was a homicide, and it does done before the knee to the neck and the restrictions there of oxygen there. so, yeah, i mean, it's pretty frustrating. especially as reporters when we have to constantly respond to celebrities or elected officials as well who spew lies on a consistent basis. >> and the family doesn't need to be revictimized once again. >> shame on anybody who brings even a microgram of more pain to that family. but i have to say double shame on the right wingers who are using kanye and using these
statements to advance themselves or promote some kind of political agenda. and ignoring the anti-semitism, not calling out anti-semitism. to me they're even worse. kanye has talked about his struggles with mental illness. so i have very wide strike zone. but it doesn't make you anti-semitic and make you mean to a family that suffered murder. i guess i hold the politicians more accountable because i'm a politician. the people who are using him to advance a right wing agenda are even more shameful than mr. ye himself. >> i'd say boo. >> look, here is a third level of share here too. there are actually two lawsuits that are being threatened. one representing george floyd's daughter, and one representing his brother. we've got two lawyers that are cruising in two different bentleys trying to chase an ambulance here. >> come on. shouldn't he cease and desist saying i don't think and hurtful things about george floyd? >> i don't know when we got into the point of time when, you
know, saying something wrong or stupid become absolute. i don't get it. we see this all the time, whether it's on social media. everybody jumping on folks. i'm not defending kanye west's comments here. what i am saying is there is a hair trigger among folks to file a suit over the slightest thing. and you can't tell me that an 8-year-old daughter was listening to an obscure podcast and heard this. i'm sorry. >> kanye west reaches everybody. >> as a lawyer, i do not think it's fair the denigrate the lawyers for the family of george floyd or his daughter as ambulance chasers. i th have done a great deal to promote the fact that we should have accountability when an officer is involved in the death of a human being. i also think, though, back to the point that you've raised earlier, that people have this perception time and again that
there is somehow an incentive to bring cases against police departments, individual police officers, because it's somehow so lucrative that it will outweigh the public service and need. i think it is a public service to hold officers to account. >> and the data shows otherwise, that it's lucrative, which is a lot of these cases end up going nowhere when it's filed against officers, a lot of the civil cases, and officers often don't actually have to pay. the payments are covered by their union. almost never pay. >> we have to leave it there, but kanye can probably afford it. i'm just guessing. >> we need shame. that's a good point about using the legal system when we have free speech rights. we used to have a social system that shamed people, and his right ring fans are not shaming him. stay with us, if you can. a new study on the importance of a good night's sleep. >> oh, thank god. >> and napping. >> i know a lot about this. evidence shows we're not getting
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and older -- just kidding. >> random people age. not us. >> who sleep five hours or less a night, they face a 30% higher risk of developing chronic diseases as they do get older compare people in the same age group who sleep at least seven hours a night, paul begala, david san. >> i'm a world class sleeper. it's my super power. everybody be jealous of me. i can sleep on a bed of nails. i can sleep standing up. >> she is asleep right now. >> but i am having an issue, laura, and i do need people's help. when are we supposed to sleep on this shift? i'm a little confused. it's throwing off a little bit of my super power, because i don't know if you guys know this, we're on until midnight. >> don lemon is somewhere laughing saying i told you. >> so i can fall asleep when i get home.
but then that's not enough sleep for when i wake up in the morning. so when am i supposed to nap? aim a little bit confused. have you cracked the code? >> i wake up in the morning thinking at what point can i nap again. also, i know it's' storetive. and there must be times you all feel the same way where i've got to try to buckle down. but then there is napping too long. >> how much sleep do you get, paul? >> probably six, seven hours a night. 20-minute nap in the afternoon. the study you're reporting on, early afternoon before 3:00 p.m., 20 minutes. >> okay, i'm doing it. >> it works. it is great. it's restorative. >> i'm a believer in naps. especially as i have gotten older, even though i know i'm the youngest at the table. >> how dare you, how dare you. >> i'm pretty positive. i'm only a millennial. >> move on. david, what's your thought? >> but, yes, i nap now not every day, but especially on days when i get like six hours or less,
around 2:00 p.m., 1:30 p.m., it really starts hitting me. and i have to do at least 30 minutes of napping. if i nap for an hour or more, then that messes me up. then i'm cooked. >> it takes a long time to recover. >> golf channel. i don't know who watches golf. it's the most boring thing i've ever seen in my life. white guys wandering around for no reason. >> the older i get, the less sleep i get. i sleep five hours a night now. and i didn't think i was in the nap category, the older i get, the more pro nap i am. but all of the millennials that work for me, they better be there working 18 hours. and now that i've heard begala is taking these 20-minute naps, i'm going to go back and watch that seinfeld where george is sleeping under his desk. >> good. you've all given us a lot of good advice here. thank you very much. it's time for all of you to sound off. we'll read your tweets, next.
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all right. time for you all to sound off. the first is about james corden. he made a mistake. i'm not condoning his behavior, however, we are all flawed. speak for yourself. >> the next one comes in -- she is not flawed apparently. the next one comes in and says as a professional, my curly, nappie hear is part of the package. accept me as i am. i won't compromise who i am for any amount of money. fantastic. >> next, this is laura, i think to laura barron. >> oh, it's to me.
>> laura, we are considered x-en x- x-eneal. >> you're melding too. i like that. >> sure. you know where to find us. everyone is, no laura, you are gen x. it's fine. i'm accepting it. thank you for watching. we appreciate it. >> our coverage continues tomorrow. an unbeatable clean on 24 hour dried-on stains. skip the rinse with finish to save our water.
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