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tonight a major step in florida's efforts to rebuild after hurricane ian. today the causeway reopened for residents of the barrier islands. for the past 21 days there has been no way for people to get there, to their homes. it's an incredible feat, 21 days and back home. look at the before and after the bridge. now, while people may finally be able to get there, it could be several weeks before power is restored. thanks so much for joining us. "a.c. 360" with anderson starts now. good evening. in a moment we will be joined by bernie sanders to discuss democrats chances in the
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upcoming elections. but first big developments in two separate investigations involving the former president. one includes spreading lies about the 2020 vote. we start with our breaking news. the former president's legal team is considering whether to allow federal agents to conduct a new search of mar-a-lago. sara murray joins us with that story. >> sources have told us that this is a consideration on the table to allow federal investigators to return for some kind of supervised search so you could imagine that trump's lawyers would also be present for something like that. that's because the justice department has insisted to them in private discussions as well as publically in court filings that they believe that the former president still has government documents, even after the subpoena he was given, even after the august search at mar-a-lago. so this would be a potential way to try to satisfy the government's demands. there are of course people around former president trump
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who don't believe he has any additional documents. but the justice department has been very insistent they believe there are still documents out there and potentially trump and his team could have run afoul from this subpoena that could put him in legal jeopardy. this is an option on the table, not something that has been decided yet. >> is there any indication why the former president might be changing his tune if that is, in fact, what is happening when it comes to this investigation. >> yeah. in some ways it is surprising because we have seen him be so adversarial against the justice department. but what sources are telling me and my colleagues is that all of these legal woes have been weighing on the president and that he's considering a more accommodating approach in part because they are hoping if they take these steps they might be able to more swiftly resolve this document dispute they are still embroiled in. >> some of the various lawyers he's used in recent years. i understand you have reporting
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about how this particular legal team views the impact of this case. >> yeah. sort of the risk of not trying to find a swifter resolution to this is it drags and you could potentially expose more of your legal team to legal troubles. we have seen that already with the lawyers around trump. the woman who signed on the line to say, we have learned all the materials marked classified in response to your subpoena. we now know that that wasn't true. she's hired a lawyer. we know another lawyer on the team people are worried he could have some kind of legal exposure. according to sources he does not believe that's the case. he believes he will be fine, but another lawyer for the former president also had his phone seized by the fbi. so there is sort of a sense that the longer this goes on the worse it could get. >> sur appreciate it. to the other big story we mentioned involving criminal liability for the former president, a federal judge in california today ordered e-mails turned over to the january 6th
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committee saying they indicate the former president knew his voter fraud claims were wrong but pushed them anyway. so what is this federal judge saying exactly? >> notably anderson, this is the second time that this federal judge out of california, david carter, is saying that former president donald trump likely committed crimes in those efforts to overturn the 2020 election. and this is all coming out now because judge carter is now ordering the attorney who orchestrating these efforts to turn over more documents to the january 6th committee. he's being ordered to turn over eight more documents. at least part of these documents, one e-mail in particular shows how president trump was made aware that voter fraud numbers he submitted in state and federal court were mals. after he was aware, he submitted those numbers to the court anyway. so the judge wrote, he said, the
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e-mails show that president trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong, but continued to taut those numbers both in court and to the public. the court finds that these e-mails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of defrauding the united states. the judge said the former president was filing all of these lawsuits contesting the election not to get legit legal relief but instead with the specific purpose to disrupt the election process and impede the certification of joe biden as president. so the judge here is allowing even more evidence of this alleged criminal activity to be handed over to the january 6th committee. now the question is, anderson, will prosecutors get this evidence, too? >> what implications could this have for the ongoing criminal probes into the former president? >> we know the justice department probe and the d.a. in georgia. this really unveiling more
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evidence for prosecutors, particularly at the justice department who have been probing overall these efforts to overturn the 2020 election on multiple fronts. but the real question now is will prosecutors, will the attorneys general merrick garland ultimately think it is enough to charge the former president or his allies with that obstruction or conspiracy to defraud? interestingly, it is not just these e-mails that are being handed over. in the order today, some of the documents also being given to the january 6th committee involve eastman's pitch to former vice president mike pence to block the certification of the vote which of course pence ultimately refused to do. there is a lot here for doj, for prosecutors in georgia to sift through if they do get their hands on it after the committee does to see if they should press charges here. >> why wouldn't they get their hands on it? doesn't the committee share? i know there was some issue early on about sharing information, but the committee could just give it to the department of justice, couldn't they?
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>> absolutely. and they very well might do that. but there has been a sticking point as to how much evidence they have been handing over. you would assume they would hand over these e-mails as well and these documentation from eastman, but we'll see if that actually happening. >> thank you. cnn political commentator who served as director of strategic communications under the former president. george, when a federal juj dge uses the term conspiracy, what does that signal about potential legal exposure? >> well, it signals and confirms something we already knew, that this wuj already believes that trump has extensive legal exposure under the two statutes he cites, the statute 371 and section 15-12 of the united states code. but the story really isn't about the federal liability here because compared to what the january 6th committee has come
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up with, this is just a -- this is just tiny compared to the mountain of evidence that we have seen at the january 6th hearings. what this is is a smoking gun in georgia because if you look at what the judge describes here of these e-mails is they file a lawsuit, a state court lawsuit in early december, december 4th, making various allegations about dead people voting, about felons voting, unregistered voters voting. and by the end of december, they're aware that these allegations are false, and that's the e-mail that the judge votes here, one of the e-mails where eastman says, the president has since been made aware that some of the allegations have been inaccurate. and then they go and actually the lawyers go and have him file a federal lawsuit where trump certified under oath and verifies under oath that these
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allegations were in fact, true. that's perjury and personally evidence of federal crimes. but, remember, when eastman makes this statement, it's december 31st. what happens three days later? two days later? he makes -- trump makes the call to raf fensperger where he's asking raffensperger, demanding raffensperger, threatening raffensperger to find more votes than he needs. this is a smoking gun for the prosecutor in georgia. and the georgia investigation is very advanced. this is going to be a very important document and exhibit in the charges that i'm sure she's going to bring. >> i remember you saying you have been hearing from folks in that world, in trump world, that the georgia case is something that they are concerned about. >> yeah. something i consistently hear
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from republicans still loosely aligned with trump world is what they're most afraid of is the f fulton county investigation. that shows this is a president who we know lied for impunity for the entirety of his name in office, mostly for most of his career. you can't lie in a court filing and misrepresent facts. it just confirms what many of us know, which is there is this desperate period in the final days ahead of the transfer of power after the election was called for joe biden where it was really some of these advisers under the president and the former president himself throwing things against the wall to see what would stick. >> you said to the january 6th committee something along the lines you had heard the former president then say can you believe i'm losing to this f'ing guy. >> i walked into his dining room off of the oval office to check in on the former president. joe biden was on tv and he said,
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can you believe i lost to this f'ing guy. so the fact is most people around trump, including trump himself, knew he lost, but they wanted to desperately cling to power in any way they could. i would agree with george. i do think this is the closest thing to a smoking gun in just deliberate wrongdoing and misleading. to jessica's point, i worked with the january 6th committee, but this needs to go to the department of justice. that's where you get accountability. they don't have power to indict him. that needs to go to the department of justice. >> george, how do you see this playing out in georgia and what the time line there is like in. >> i think the georgia investigation, based upon the witnesses they have called, seems to be well advanced. i would think they would want to bring charges by the end of the year because you really want to -- it's been going on for quite some time. and i think she's held back, frankly, because of the elections, you know. you don't want to be accused of
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affecting the elections. so i think in all of the sense that people are getting is that investigation is moving much more quickly than the federal investigation. and this is just -- i mean, this is a devastating piece of evidence here. >> we have obviously seen the former president willing to take things all the way to the supreme court. are his legal options whittling down somewhat? >> i would think so. now he wants to open up mar-a-lago, it kind of reeks of desperation. i think he feels cornered in various different investigation. even today he was sitting down for responding to allegations related to sexual assault allegations from over a decade ago. this man is cornered at every turn and he's not surrounded by wise legal council. i think you will see further acts of desperation from him. >> george, do you see any legal avenues he could use to delay or block east man from turning over
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the e-mails? >> well, no, not the e-mails. these e-mails are going to go to the january 6th committee and the january 6th committee has been working with the justice department and with the georgia prosecutors. this is coming into -- this is going to be used against him and it is a devastating, as i said, a devastating piece of evidence. i agree with alyssa. he's a desperate man. and he's getting more and more desperate. i think we will see that over the coming months. he will run for president, in effect, for protection against these legal proceedings. but there will be too many of them. and i think we're going to see the -- you know, i think he might get the nomination anyway. but i think we will see the meltdown to end all meltdowns of a public figure. >> thanks so much. just ahead, more on the breaking news. the former president's legal team possibly being opened to a supervised search of mar-a-lago. what that may mean to missing classified documents.
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into renewable gasoline, jet and diesel fuels. our planet offers countless sources of energy. but it's only human to find the ones that could power a better future. at the start of the broadcast, we reported former president's legal team was deciding whether to allow a supervised search of mar-a-lago. it would be a shift in the investigation. we wanted to check in with our legal counsel, along with cnn john dean, white house counsel under president nixon. they join us now. how is it possible there would be any -- i mean that anybody would still have documents at mar-a-lago to search for. that i find hard to understand. but why do you think the justice
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department would be interested in such an offer? >> yeah. i think that's a good question, anderson. so i find this report a little bit puzzling because if i think about the trajectory of an investigation, a subpoena is relatively early in the investigation. and then the search warrant they executed based on probable cause is much further down in the investigation. and the search of course, once the judge grants that warrant and they execute that search in august, it should have been exhaustive. it wasn't anything that we would consider supervised by the individual that the search is being conducted against. and so they would have gone through whatever physical spaces were authorized by the court in that warrant to conduct a pretty exhaustive search. so i really do have a big question why the justice department would even be interested in this offer for them to come back on a voluntary basis under quote, unquote supervision by trump lawyers when they really should have
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found everything that they were looking for in the august search. >> john, does it make sense to you? >> it doesn't totally make sense. but even more confusing is why trump would want to concede and say you can go to mar-a-lago under my supervision. i would think the justice department has seen there is so much time has passed that whatever was there or whatever they suspect is missing could have been moved to one of his other venues. he's got a place in new york city. he has a place in bed minister. i would think they would assist on searching everything to make sure once and for all that they have it or that he has squirrelled it away where they can't get to it. if they find that, if they have evidence of that, they will get it not from a physical search but from other sources. >> yeah. i mean, would there have been anything since the fbi search in august that would have prevented the former president or his employees from moving additional
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documents anywhere else? >> well, to the extent that the fbi has been conducting an investigation -- and we don't -- we don't know if the public, what types of sources they may have or whether they would have been informed by individuals cooperating in the investigation whether he had moved things. it does look like there is an obstruction investigation that's being producted. presumably they have sources of information and methods of gathering information that we would think clue them in if something drastic like that was happening. i mean, the former president really has harmed himself in terms of his legal culpability by not cooperating up until this point, by dragging it out and obstructing until the point that the justice department felt compelled and had to go get the search warrant in august. so it is a little late in the process for the trump team to be thinking about or thinking that the justice department would be open to this type of
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accomodation. >> john, do you expect the justice department has looked into whether documents were taken to any other trump properties? would that be part of their investigation? would the only -- you know, would we know about that if there had been search warrants executed on different properties? i assume we would have heard of that or that would have been leaked out. >> we probably would know about it. it would be pretty hard to do that in both those venues without somebody getting wind of the fact the fbi arrived to undertake a search. but i think they may well have based on the earlier affidavit that's blocked and they wanted to protect witnesses. they may have witnesses that can confirm them. that may be why they have suspicions there are missing documents. i don't think trump is inclined to play nice and i don't think you can trust him playing nice. i think he would only do that if it was to his benefit. if anything, we know six years
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after watching them and looking back over his business career he cannot be trusted. so it is going to be to his advantage whatever he does. >> if you are the former president and you are facing multiple criminal and civil investigations, state and federal, which are you most worried about? >> well, i -- you know, i'm a national security lawyer, anderson, so i tend to think the classified information presents some significant jeopardy in this particular case based on the volume of the documents that were discovered, based on the fact that he had them for so long and the justice department had been trying to engage with him and his team to return them and he did not. so i tend to look at this through national security lens and the potential harm that would be caused to national security from these potential documents. and then if he has, in fact, obstructed or the individuals close to him, lawyers, advisers, et cetera, obstructed in the
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course of that investigation, i think that's the one that from a federal perspective really raises the stakes from -- from the federal government's perspective why in other cases they would serve a case like this so why would they not pursue a case in this particular instance. thank you. coming up next, i will speak with senator bernie sanders about the election 20 days away. about to hit the campaign trial. we will also take a look at the wisconsin senate race. there is a shift between don johnson and madella barnes. bonded by engineering excellllence. palantir. data driven enterprise accelerator. if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast... get decision tech. for insights on when to buy and sell. and proactive alerts on market events. that's decision tech only from fidelity.
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we're just 20 days away from the mid-term elections. polling suggesting the republicans have the high land. president biden announced 15 million barrels of oil from the petroleum reserve. gas prices are just one of the many headwinds the president and his party are facing. the president gave republicans remarks on the bipartisan infrastructure law today. he will travel to pennsylvania tomorrow to give remarks on that tommic and attend a fundraiser for john fedderman. i spoke with vermont senator bernie sanders on the democrats'
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strategy. senator sanders, you said you were working on this pre-election campaign blitz because you feel the energy level is not as high as it should be. why do you think that is? >> well, i don't know. but i know in recent years we have seen a significant uptick in young people participating in elections, 2018 and 2020. and i just want to make sure that given the fact that we have a younger again ra er generatio quite progressive, people concerned about the fact their standard of living is lower than their parents, who have a passionate concern about racism and sexism, homo phobia, i want to make sure they understand how terribly important this election is and see if we can get them out to vote. >> you have warned the democrats should not solely focus on the issue of abortion. it has not been an issue that
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has been top of the list and certainly in exit polls of why people cast a particular ballot. you have said that democrats have to have an economic message to voters. do you think the democrats have overindexed on focussing on abortion? >> i think maybe. look, i happen to believe that a woman's right to control her own body is absolutely where we should be and that the supreme court decision was a total disaster. in the year 2022 we should not be telling women what to do with their own bodies. but i also happen to think that given the fact that for the last 50 years, real wages for american workers are lower than they were 50 years ago, that people can't afford health care, they can't afford prescription drugs, that many people are working for starvation wages at a time when the very wealthiest people in this country are becoming well they are and we see more and more wealth and
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inequality. those are issues you cannot ignore. people are hurting. and here is what is to me really rather amazing. the republican agenda for working class people is a total reactionary disaster. you have a party which in the midst of a moment when the rich are getting much richer, you know what they want to do? they want to give massive tax breaks to millionaires. when seniors are struggling to keep their heads above water, republicans are more and more overt saying we want to cut social security and medicare and medicaid. when you have millions of workers working for starvation workers, we can't get one vote for them to raise the minimum wage to at least $15. but no support for universal health care and taking on the prescription drug industry and lowering the cost of prescription drugs. so this is an issue i think we should engage on. >> recent polls show that voters who say the economy and
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inflation are the most important issues, they prefer republicans over democrats by a 34 point margin. how do you believe the republicans came to dominant on this issue? >> well, it is astounding to me, and i think that the democrats are simply abdicated and walked off the debate stage. they have allowed republicans to do all the talking. the republicans talk about inflation. well, inflation is a serious issue. what are they going to do about it? are they going to lower wages? is that their response? inflation is a global issue. many countries around the world, it is sadly higher than it is in the united states. what are they going to do about the high cost of prescription drugs? do they have the guts to take on the pharmaceutical industry? no, they do not. >> president obama made some comments on a podcast recently talking about some of the focus on language among more liberal members of the democratic party.
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i want to play this for you. >> how does politics -- how is it even relevant to, you know, the things that i care most deeply about, my family, my kids, you know, work that gives me satisfaction, you know, having fun. not being a buzzkill, right? sometimes democrats are, right? it's like, you know, sometimes people just want to not feel as if they are walking on egg shells. >> certainly a lot of republican candidates used wokeness as an attack line in the election. do you agree with what the former president said? >> well, what i agree with, what i take from that, is we have got to make politics relevant to ordinary people's lives. and i think that in general the congress, the corporate media, if you like, has ignored the
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enormous desperation that working class families are now experiencing. and it is not just inflation. people can't afford to send their kids to college. they can't afford health care, which is skyrocketing. they can't afford the cost of rent, which is also skyrocketing. and i think what we have got to do is make politics relevant to ordinary people. bring people into the process. hear what they have to say. and explain to them why the very richest people in this country are doing phenomenal well while they are struggling and then have the guts, anderson, to take on those powerful, corporate interests, whose greed, in my view has done so much harm to working families in this country. >> senator sanders, thank you. >> thank you. one of the closely watched senate races is in wisconsin between ron johnson and democrat
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mandela barnes. he was also critic of the covid vaccines and peddled mouthwash as a treatment for covid. manu raju has his bid for re-election. >> reporter: despite being saddled with controversy in unpopular wisconsin, ron johnson decided to run for a second term, making him the most endangered gop incumbent. but the terrain has shifted and now johnson has an edge over mandela barnes. >> how is it so hard to beat him? >> people are hitting their heads against the wall, how did we let this happen. >> reporter: first winning in the 2010 tea party wave. and then during donald trump's 2016 stunner.
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and now voter anger over inflation. >> well, i think inflation. i mean, everybody is feeling it in their pocketbook. >> reporter: after barnes won his party's nomination in august, a poll showed him up by seven points. now the same poll shows johnson ahead of barnes by six with likely voters. in the two months since the primary, johnson outspent democrats by millions on tv, attacking barnes of crime. >> mandela barnes doesn't have the judgment to keep our community safe. >> mandela barnes stands with defund the police. >> putting him on the defensive. >> look, we knew the other side would make up lies about me to scare you. >> ron johnson caught lying. >> mandela, he's the real deal. mandela doesn't want to defund the police. >> that is hardly enough. >> well, his campaign seems to be faltering. >> are you concerned those
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attacks seem to be working? >> they seem to be working, yes. >> one of his primary foes blames national democrats for an ineffective ad strategy after the primary. >> to have a national party come in and screw things up in the first month of the general election, in my book, is unforgivable. the national party totally failed us. it will come down to wisconsin democrats. >> reporter: campaigning in the small towns of wisconsin, barnes said he was not caught flat footed. >> we already expected ron johnson to distort the truth and try to hide from his own record. >> reporter: barnes' ad steered clear of some of johnson's controversies like his down playing of the january 6th attack or sewing doubt on the covid-19 vaccine. instead accusing johnson of enriching himself in office and for supporting a ban on abortion. >> he wouldn't just ban abortions. doctors could go to jail for it. >> reporter: barnes would be the
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state's first black senator slated to appear next week in milwaukee with the nation's first black president barack obama. but no plans yet with the current president, whose unpopularity remains a liability. >> do you think biden should run for re-election? >> we'll cross that bridge when we get there. we have to get through november 8th, 2022. >> how is senator johnson planning on spending these final weeks before the midterm? >> well, anderson, it is not entirely clear. we asked his campaign what he is doing, especially this week. they would not disclose his campaign events. he did appear on fox news a couple of times. he did ask for some donations. now, on the democratic side, an outside group today released an ad attacking johnson over his comments over january 6th, but that has not been a major focus of the democratic campaign. i asked mandela barnes why they are not focussing on that issue. they want to focus on economic
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ones instead. marquette university poll has barnes down by six points tested likely voters. when tested a larger set of voters, it showed the race in a dead even race, so democrats hope they can get their voters to the polls, they still have path. even though johnson seems to have traction in this part of the campaign. >> we'll see. up next, martial law in effect in lawyer ukrainian regions. we'll talk to matthew chance in the ground on moscow next.
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martial law is now in effect in four ukrainian regions, a move by vladimir putin in violation of international law. it comes as russian installed leaders began ramping up efforts to relocate civilians. our senior international correspondent traveled to ukraine's eastern front where ukrainian troops are facing a hardened rush in defense. here's part of his report. >> reporter: our car hasn't even come to a full stop when the first shell hits nearby. the medic stops. we need to take cover as best we can. >> we're waiting for the shooting to stop. >> reporter: so we're taking cover here because we had incoming artillery fire.
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we're going to wait and hope there is not any hits anywhere close to us. we're at the receiving end of a full russian artillery barrage. our photo journalist tracks several of the projectiles whizzing close over our heads. >> now we go to matthew chance who joins us from moscow. matthew, can you explain what this means for the four regions vladimir putin is talking about
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declaring martial law? >> yeah. i think on paper it means quite a lot because these are draconian laws. it means the military authority in the areas where it is in charge have power to do whatever they want. they can seize property. they can make arrests and detain people. so these are very tough laws indeed. and but actually in practical terms on the ground, i'm not sure they're going to make a whole lot of difference. these are already war zones and, of course, russians don't have control over a lot of the areas over which they say they have imposed martial law. and, so, i think that's something to bear in mind. i think we have to remember, though, that russia or the kremlin and the military authorities here have been heavily criticized over the past couple months about the way the military situation has been conducted by the generals here. there has been a lot of internal criticism. and this is the kremlin's answer
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to that, to show it is not going to back down. it is going to double down and do whatever it takes to, you know, go all in on this continuing special military operations, they call it. >> putin also announced he's increasing the power of local authorities in all russian regions and adding additional restrictions to russian regions near ukraine. what does that mean exactly? >> yeah. well, i think that's really, really ominous because he could have imposed martial law on those areas as well. he didn't. he imposed them on those four regions inside ukraine. it was like a martial law light, particularly on the border area where there are tough travel restrictions. there will be a lot of military check points and a serious military crackdown in those areas where there has been quite a sustained military bomb boardment at times from ukraine. but even further field, as you go further east into russia,
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even moscow, the capitol, there are tough military restrictions being imposed here. now, it is not as bad as martial law in those ukrainian regions, but there is always that ground work that's now been laid. there is every possibility that if the circumstances require it or demand it from the point of view of the kremlin, they could expand martial law potentially across the area as well. in that sense, it is a concerning development. >> matthew, appreciate it. protests continue in iran after the death more than a month ago of the 22-year-old young woman while in custody of the morality police. now a rock climber that didn't hear a hi jab has traveled back to ukraine. will she face punishment? coming up. jab has traveled back to ukraine. will she face punishment? coming up.
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in iran for more than a month people continue to protest the death of 22 mahsa amini in custody of the so-called morality police for allegedly not wearing a hijab. protesters are taking to the streets. students marched in the streets waving their head scarves. anywhere between 60 and 200 people have been killed so far, but cnn cannot confirm those fears. now there's concern for a rock climber in iran. elnaz rekabi is her name. thousands of people are thoughing up for these protests every day risking their lives. what are you hearing from those inside iran?
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>> reporter: anderson, it's really remarkable. it's been nearly five weeks since these protests started. and not only are they continuing to spread like a wildfire across the country, they've morphed into what are some calling a national uprising calling for regime change. the government is using the same brutal tactics they've used in the past when dealing with protests. we've been speaking to protests who are taking part in these protests as well as those who took part in demonstrations back in 2019. those were quite different, short lived, and more about the economy. but they're all reporting firsthand these terrifying tactics used by the authorities, anderson. they're not only being shot at when they're out on the streets. they're beaten up. they say they're detained, tortured for days, unimaginable torture. and they're coerced into signing confessions saying that they've been paid by the u.s., the uk,
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and israel to create chaos in iran. and then they're released. but it doesn't stop there. they say that they're watched for years and they're threatened. this one man we spoke to was a protester in 2019. he says authorities continue to harass him. they freeze his bank accounts at times, and sometimes they call him threatening to kill his children and rape his wife. he's out on the streets, again protesting with his children. it's just remarkable, this defiance. and nothing seems to be stopping the people right now. and they know the cost of their defiance in iran, anderson. >> we've seen cell phone videos of people being stuffed into trunks of cars, shot in the street. there's reporting that protesters -- i know you've had reporting that protester who is get injured are sometimes too scared to go to hospitals to seek medical help. >> reporter: and we've seen these horrific images of their
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injuries over the past few weeks, anderson. the security forces not only using live ammunition, according to human rights groups, they're also shooting at them with metal pellets. they're filling up paint balls with metal pellets and shooting them at protesters. so, you end up with these horrific injuries. and protesters are too scared to go to hospitals because security forces are going to hospitals and clinics, identifying protesters by the same injuries they've inflicted on them. we've had reports of doctors arrested, ambulances being used to detain protesters. and you end up in a situation where these protesters tell us they don't know who to trust. they don't know what to do right now. some are relying on a small underground network of doctors who are risking their lives helping them. and then you've got others who are reaching out to the iranian community abroad, including the u.s., asking them for helping, connecting them to doctors.
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