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comfort. the faa and the department of transportation declined our interview requests. >> their position to date has been, how uncomfortable you are is between you and the air carrier. >> reporter: there is one airline making some news here and you might be surprised to learn that spirit airlines is buying new airplanes with thinner seats. it could mean an extra 2 inches of legroom, john. >> pete muntean, i thank you and our knees thank you. tonight jake tapper is interviewing actress kerry washington at 9:00 eastern, and then chairman ron mcdaniel and amy klobuchar from-minute is sunday night at 9:00 eastern and again at noon. our coverage continues in "the situation room." happening now, we're heading
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into the final weekend of the midterm campaigns. the elections now just four days out, as candidates from both parties make their final pitch to voters. >> also tonight, the u.s. economy the top issue for most americans, is getting one more gut check before the midterms. the labor department reporting 261,000 jobs added during the month of october. >> we're also watching former president trump, who now says he's very, very, very, probably going to run for the white house in 2024. >> there are new indications the announcement could come soon after the midterm elections. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm brianna keilar, and you're in "the situation room." our top story tonight, the midterm campaigns hitting their final stretch. cnn is on the trail covering all the key races across the united
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states, with just four more days until polls close. we're also getting one final look at the health of the u.s. economy before the elections. american employers adding 261,000 new jobs last month. let's get right to our senior white house correspondent, phil mattingly. the u.s. labor market still going strong, but this is tricky for the white house as election day closes in. >> reporter: it is a complex balancing act that's served at the core, a good window into now the administration has tried to grapple with their most politically difficult moment, and that is as it relates to the economy. by double digits, it is the most important issue for voters. voters who are staring more at the prices in grocery stores or at gas stations than they are about the fact that this white house or under this white house the u.s. economy has added more than 10 million jobs since president biden's inauguration. unemployment rates still sitting at five-decade lows. the paradox, right now when you talk to white house officials, they acknowledge they did not want a gangbusters report today.
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261,000 jobs, a healthy sign that any idea of a recession is likely not the case at this moment. but any higher would have made real concerns that that inflation problem was only going to be persistent even longer. however, the fact that it remains pervasive at this moment is a problem as the president alluded to today. >> folks, our economy continues to grow and add jobs, even as the gas prices continue to come down. we've got a lot more to do, but we also know folks are still struggling with inflation, it's their number one priority. >> reporter: brianna, it is the economic record, the president and his team want democrats to really tout, the inflation that has been the driving problem at the polls, that is how they've tried to grapple with things. whether that works out or whether the message gets through remains one of the biggest questions just a few days from election day. >> phil mattingly, thank you for that report. let's check in on the senate race in pennsylvania. cnn's jessica dean is in
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pennsylvania. john fetterman got quite the endorsement last night. >> reporter: he sure did. oprah winfrey coming out and saying she would have voted for fetterman if she lived in pennsylvania. celebrity endorsements don't often move the needle in huge ways. but let's acknowledge the unique situation here. mehmet oz, made a household name by oprah miwinfrey. she on him on her show and backed his show. so it is unique for her to throw her weight behind fetterman. he talked about that endorsement earlier today. here's what he had to say. >> she's an icon. it's unbelievable. it's an honor and i'm so grateful. she understands what's at stake here in this race. >> reporter: and, again, any edge that either of these campaigns can get right now, brianna, in there ever-tightening race, they'll
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take it. fetterman quite happy to have the endorsement. oz saying he respects oprah and turning back to the messaging we've been hearing from him, which is that he wants to reject extremism in washington and work in a bipartisan way. >> oz has recently been trying to appeal to independents on the campaign trail, as donald trump heads to pennsylvania this weekend. >> reporter: that's right. and that's really the fine line that mehmet oz has to walk in these closing days. because we know that president trump, former president trump lost this state by just a little bit back in 2020, and he turned off a lot of these independent swing voters. those are the exact voters that oz is trying to capture in these closing days. but he also needs to make sure that the base turns out and turns out big so he can run up the score in these more rural areas. so he's kind of walking this very, very fine line here. but we have heard him again and again, over the last several days, and we're about to probably hear him say it again inside of this rally, that he is
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pitching himself to independent voters. here's what he's saying. >> the reason pennsylvania is so important is we're perfectly purple. our neighbors are democrats and we're going to win this election because we're going to get those neighbors, conservative democrats in particular, independents, to vote with us. because they don't like what's happening to the country. >> reporter: so we've been hearing that from him again and again. former president trump will be here tomorrow, former president barack obama traveling to the pittsburgh area and then philadelphia with president biden. and note these closing days, they brought them here on this weekend as close to election day as they pretty much possibly could. >> jessica, thank you. and now i want to get an update from the battleground state of georgia. cnn's eva mckind is on the road in georgia. today is the last day for early voting there. >> reporter: it is, brianna, just about two hours left to go. people can vote on tuesday, election day.
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this has been remarkable to watch. the sheer number of people participating in this process, more than 2 million georgians voting early the last two weeks. and, also of note, when we talked to people across the state as we've traveled and asked them, what is really animating them, why are they voting, what's top of mind for them, depending on where you are you hear different things. in atlanta you might hear about reproductive rights or the growing number of hospital closures in this state. but if you go over to neumann, as we were this morning, we heard about the overall state of the country and the economy. but all candidates making their final pitch today, we heard herschel walker this morning on his bus tour, he's making several stops. senator warnock doing a telerally tonight. this morning he was in new york attending a funeral service. stacey abrams did her bus tour as well. governor kemp just wrapping up a rally here. >> eva mckind live for us in
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georgia, thank you. let's get some more analysis from our political experts. david chalian, to you first. so you have this jobs report, 261,000 jobs. good news for democrats. it's so close to the election, and i wonder if you think this news is good enough to make a difference here. >> well, it's no doubt good news in the sense that it's a good job market. but it's such a complex story about the economy right now and that the recession fears still exist, and wondering if, indeed, the fed is going to need to inject more so-called medicine into the system of higher interest rates. so it's not entirely just like a clear runaway victory that democrats can tout, though obviously it's a robust job market. the issue is, brianna, one data point, the final jobs report to combat the inflation pain that people are feeling in their daily lives, that seems to be a pretty tall order. not that it didn't give
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president biden and the democrats something to tout today, but it doesn't reverse the experience most americans are having with higher prices. >> hot job market, we say that's great news. the fed says, oh, what else maybe do we have to do here to pump the brakes a little bit. i think maybe americans are catching onto that. van, i wonder on messaging here, where are democrats versus where you think they should be? >> well, i think that we're now seeing more and more focus on the economy. i think there was a little bit of fools' gold. people thought maybe we can talk about abortion only or democracy and that was going to be enough. it turns out that people are sitting on white hot stoves of just pain economically and democrats have a lot to say about that. i do think the jobs numbers are good. if they were bad, we would be saying it's worse. so i think having good jobs numbers is there, 10 million in the past two years. that's an incredible jobs record. but, also, you have a president that has tried to deliver other
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ways to address cost of living. he talks about prescription drug prices, the inflation reduction act was going to put a lot more infrastructure in place. so he's got a record to talk about. he's just screaming into the wind of this on-rushing cost of living problem with inflation. >> charlie, 261,000 jobs, but 75% of respondents in our most recent cnn poll think the u.s. is already in recession. that's how they feel about it. when you look at that, is there really anything democrats can do to overcome that? >> at this point, i don't think there's much they can do. it's true, it was a good jobs report but there's this feeling, overhang, that things are about to get worse. it reminds me a little bit of 2008 where the numbers were good until they weren't. we knew we were heading into a major storm. i'm not saying we're going to have a recession like that. it feels like the numbers are pretty good until they're not. and it seems that the fed is still going to be ratcheting up interest rates, things are still too hot.
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and it's not just food and fuel. it's housing. some of the other things are way up in price. that's why americans are feeling uncomfortable right now, because they're paying more for a lot of big ticket items. >> groceries, i mean, it is eye-popping when you go to buy chicken or beef or anything at the grocery store. jessica, you're in pennsylvania. folks there are inundated with ads. they're about to be inundated with big names, obama, trump, biden are all descending this weekend. are people looking forward to this? is this going to move the needle? >> reporter: i mean, that's the big question, right? what is going to motivate these voters? i think for the campaigns and certainly the reason they're bringing three presidents here to the commonwealth of pennsylvania is to turn out their respective bases. so for the democrats, they really need to run up the score in places like pittsburgh and places like philadelphia. that happens to be where barack obama is going and then joe biden, of course, president biden is going to join him in philadelphia. that's no surprise at all. then, of course, we're seeing
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former president trump going just outside of pittsburgh, about an hour outside of pittsburgh, a signature area for him where he really runs up the score with the base. for republicans, and for mehmet oz, it is, as i was talking about earlier in the show, just such a fine line of how much you turn up the base with donald trump and how he's also trying to attract these independent swing voters, who in the last election really swung toward democrats and biden. are they there again in 2022? we just don't know. we're going to have to wait until tuesday to find out. but both of these campaigns really hoping at this point that they can really turn out the bases, and then they both want to go after these independent voters. and you can tell based on where they're going to be in these final days, brianna. >> you heard jessica -- van, i'm sorry, go on. >> i was just going to say that pennsylvania is so tough, you've got three presidents. you also have the queen weighing in. oprah winfrey weighing in. i think it's remarkable that
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oprah winfrey knows this guy, she gave him his start, and she's saying no way. there's something happening with these candidates. herschel walker's family is saying no way. so i do hope that people listen to the presidents. but listen to the queen. oprah winfrey knows what she's talking about. if you think she's wise, somebody who knows people, oprah winfrey says fetterman, not oz. that's a big deal. >> let's remind people, oprah made dr. oz, right? she made him into this television star and, charlie, she said that she would have voted for fetterman over oz. do you think it makes an impact short of her visiting pennsylvania, which i wonder if that would have. >> no, i don't think it's going to have much of an impact at all, to be perfectly honest. fetterman's problem was the disastrous debate performance. that was a catastrophe. and fetterman's numbers are slipping among college educated men, about 60% of pennsylvanians saw at least some part of that debate. that is his problem.
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oprah can't do anything about college educated men starting to move away and oz has been very clever to pivot towards these independents. he's been quite smart about that. fetterman has not done that. there's a lot of concern about fetterman's capacity to serve right now. >> what's wrong with fetterman will heal. every day he's getting better. what's wrong with oz won't heal. he's been a snake oil salesman and abused his position for years. fetterman will get better and better, unfortunately oz will not. >> but the problem there, van, though, is fetterman has not explained his positions. he hasn't been able to articulate his positions on his evolution on the fracking issue, which is a huge issue in western pennsylvania. and frankly on the crime issue where he's voted opposite josh shapiro on the board of pardons over 200 times. and crime is a resonating issue, particularly in the philadelphia region right now. that's the other issue when you get beyond the health issues. this is really having an impact. these issues are resonating in
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pennsylvania. that's why this race has tightened so much. >> this is going to be the decision before voters, they've either already made or they'll be making on tuesday. thank you all for the discussion this evening. i really appreciate it. coming up, just days before the midterms, democrats scramble to hit the right notes for voters. i'm going to speak with one of the highest ranking democrats in the house, congressman james clyburn. you're in "the situation room." and with coverage of over 96% of interststate highway miles, theyey've got us covered. were you scared of him? yes, we all were. harvey wanted people to submit to him. he could destroy someone in seconds. people he tried to write this story. and he kills it every time. 're not gonna let that happen. this is bigger than weinstein. this is about the system protecting abuses.
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i know you always ask me, how are we doing? we're going to win this time around, i feel really good about our chances. i haven't been in all the house races, but i think we're going to keep the senate, pick up a seat. i think we have a chance to win in the house. i don't think we're not going to win keeping the house. i'm optimistic. i really am. and if i find that, you know, most of the debate that occurs in the places i've visited, i know you don't think it, but i think we have pretty good crowds, enthusiastic. you don't write it that way, but they are. and i find that the thing that gives me the most confidence is the fact that the policies we've initiated people care about.
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they want more, but i don't know anybody who is really opposed to us bringing down medical prices and prescription drugs and all those other things. so i feel optimistic. >> president biden there just moments ago, as you heard it, he's optimistic, he says, about democrats holding the house and the senate. four days out from the midterm elections, president biden changing his closing pitch from democracy in peril to the economy. and joining us now, one of the most influential members of congress, as majority whip, south carolina's james clyburn, the third ranking democrat in the house of representatives. sir, thank you so much for your time this evening. i wonder, as you listened to the president there, are you that optimistic? >> first of all, thank you very much for having me. yes, i am. if i had talked to you last week this time, i would be much less optimistic. but i came back to south carolina on monday evening and i
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started talking to people around the country. i'm getting the feel that things are better this week than they were last week. and i hope they'll be a little better next week. >> why is that? why do you think they're better this week than last week? >> because i think people are beginning to focus on this race now. people have been listening to what is being reported. they have been watching things on television. they've been listening to all the pundits. but people are now beginning to focus in on exactly where this country is, where their personal feelings -- what their personal feelings are, and where they fit in the overall scheme of things. i tell people all the time, when you're campaigning, you say to people, this is what my policy will do for you, this is what it
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will do for your family and this is what it will do for your community. and with people bogged down with those things, they see in the democratic party the things that they want to see done for themselves, their families, and their communities. when you're cutting taxes on the rich, what is that doing for the rank-and-file? absolutely nothing. and when you say that if i am elected i am going to means test medicare, i am going to sunset social security, and people have been paying into social security since they were 16 years old. and now all of a sudden you're going to say you cannot recoup any of that money because we're going to sunset it. no, people see that is -- >> you're talking about senator rick scott's plan? i do just want to be clear, the republican leader of the senate has certainly distanced himself,
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has publicly distanced himself from that. i just want to be clear, that is rick scott, the plan that he initially did put out. i want to ask you about this, because you say that you think people are more optimistic. aware hearing, those, some democrat pollsters who are sounding the alarm. when you look at the most recent cnn poll, three out of four americans think that we're already in a recession. those are pretty alarming numbers from a democratic perspective, yeah? >> yeah, if those numbers were accurate, i would say so. look at the jobs report this morning. what, two weeks ago we saw what the gross domestic product was all about. there's growth taking place, jobs being created. how are we in a recession already? i don't know how you come to that conclusion. >> i do want to turn now to the attack on paul pelosi. you've heard the republican
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responses. some of them have ranged from, yes, condemnation, but some of it feels like check-the-box condemnation, and some of the reactions have been, quite frankly, totally lacking in hu human decency. have you talked to your republican colleagues about it and are they saying anything privately to you than they are publicly? >> i have not talked to a single republican about this. i have not talked to any about this. i live here in south carolina. i know what it is to have these kinds of threats. when i was in state government, i got them often. when you spoke out against the confederate flag flying on top of the statehouse, yes, i got death threats for doing that. so i know what that's like and i know what nancy pelosi and their family have been going through. i know what it is to leave home
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and have to have police officers in your house with your wife and children, because crazy people who are not all that crazy, but doing crazy things can lead to catastrophic events. that's what happened in california. and for those republicans, especially the former president, to talk about this was not a break-in, but a break-out, for people to start pushing all of these lies, what is happening to our country? where is the goodness that has always been a part, irrespective of where we stood on these issues? we were told years ago, if we lose our goodness, we are going to lose our greatness. that is just how simple it is. >> part of what we've seen happen here recently, that is part of why you recently compared america right now to
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germany in the early 1930s. that's what you said. and you said that we're on track to repeat what happened in germany here in america. can you explain what you see happening here in america that prompted you to say that? >> all you have to do is look at history. remember, i've studied history all of my life. i used to teach it. and what i see lining up in this country, and there are a lot of people who are beginning to say this now, i've been saying it since 2018, when i said that trump was not planning to give up the presidency. a lot of people gave me a hard time for having said that. now we see on january 6th he was not planning to give up the presidency. and i'll tell you something else, if the voters do not intercede, we are going to see this democracy come to a crashing halt. this democracy has existed
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because people have been free to participate in it. when you are setting up committees that can overturn the results of an election, that is what autocracies are born of. saying we're going to make it a crime to give anybody a bottle of water standing in line for four or five hours, that's the kind of stuff that autocracies are made of. that's what i'm talking about. so you go back and look at germany, who duly elected adolph hitler to be their chancellor, and then he went about the business of discrediting the press. what did the former president say? the press is the enemy of the people. that's what a tutocracies are me of. >> congressman james clyburn, thank you so much for your time this evening. >> thank you very much for having me. just ahead, today is the deadline for former president trump to comply with a subpoena from the january 6th committee. you are in "the situation room."
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documents. the deposition, that deadline is november 14th. so right now i think it's fair to say the ball is in donald trump's court. the committee is sitting there, they're waiting to hear from his lawyers. is he going to produce all these documents that they asked for. just to remind people what these documents were about, this has to do with all of his messages, phone calls, communications, with everyone from members of congress, what he said and did to pressure vice president mike pence, all of those people in trump world who took the fifth, mike flynn, john eastman, jeffrey clark, who was he talking to, and was he communicating with rudy giuliani. it is a very big trove of documents, so i think by the end of today we will hear from the committee. but right now we're waiting.
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>> we are in wait-and-see mode here. shan, i know i just nearly gave you a big promotion. i have a question for you. the clock obviously running out for the committee. it really is here. so how aggressively can they pursue information, do they pursue information from former president trump? >> i think they should. i think the whole reason they issued the subpoena at the tail end of the process was they had done the due diligence to lay the foundation and they wanted to check the final box and they're giving him a chance here. i think they should move aggressively. they could look to hold him in attempt but there's a limit on how fast they could move and after that it would be up to the justice department. so he is going to run out the clock. we would have better odds on the powerball than him producing anything right now. and the longer they take, the better his hopes are with the midterm changing the landscape. so it's obviously a delay process and i think it's probably going to work, too. >> probably going to work here.
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kaitlyn, i know you have exclusive new reporting when it comes to two doj investigations into trump. >> the two investigations, obviously the mar-a-lago documents investigation and the january 6th investigation, both right around donald trump, his inner circle. what we know now is there's a debate happening within the justice department of how they shore themselves up for political crosswinds after the election, especially if he announces for president. that debate is whether or not attorney general merrick garland should appoint a special counsel. we've heard a lot about special counsels. will there be one overseeing these investigations? looks like it could be something that's on the table that we'll be talking more about. one of the things that is shoring this up and putting this in place right now with this conversation is that the justice department has a lot happening behind the scenes with the criminal investigation. they're bringing people into the grand juries. we also know there's a brain trust, essentially, being established at main justice really high level experienced
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national security prosecutor, a former prosecutor who is coming back to the department, giving up a really lucrative job in the private sector, to advise on criminal matters. so we should be ready. that's the message from many defense attorneys and prosecutors, for right after the election. >> shan, if a special counsel is on the table, you say that would actually delay justice maybe forever. tell us about your concerns there. >> i think the concern there is that there's got to be a setup time for a special counsel and there's got to be transfer time. they have to staff up. and i get the fact that the attorney general and the doj is very concerned about looking completely apolitical, but -- well, by deciding to do this, if they do that, they're really reacting to a political move by trump to run. and that actually ends up pushing them into the political realm. they have been working hard, they got started kind of late. but they've been working hard and i don't think they need a
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special counsel. that's for conflicts of interest, like if he was still president, and i think they should just move ahead themselves. don't delay. >> we're in wait-and-see mode on a few things, including that. shan, thank you, jamie, kaitlyn, thank you to all of you. up next, as russia targets ukraine's energy grid, millions are struggling to get by in the cold and dark. we're live from kyiv. from santa claus, indiana to snowflake, arizona. frfrom garland, texas to north pole, new york and everywhere in between. we're holiday ready with fast and reliable delivery, serving every address in america. the united states postal service.
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cnn chief international anchor, chr christiane amanpour, has our report from the war zone. >> reporter: week four of ukraine's new struggle against the cold and the dark, rolling blackouts blanket kyiv, nighttime is spooky, and we are entering this high-rise apartment complex to see how residents are coping with the attacks on key infrastructure. up to the 12th floor, no light in the stairwell but our cameras, and no elevator. julia meets us by hobbling on crutches she fractured after tripping on steps the first night of the blackouts. she's a journalist and a former press secretary to president zelenskyy. together, we visit her neighbor, natalia, with her 18-month-old daughter, just one of a whole generation of war traumatized kyiv kids, especially with the
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constant air raid sirens. >> is she stressed? >> she's like, oh, oh, she's pointing to the window. so she knows that something goes wrong. >> reporter: the two of them are recovering from a two-hour ordeal trapped in their tiny elevator when the power went out. now, all over kyiv, residents are putting small care boxes inside, with water, snacks, and antianxiety medicines. by the time we sat down to talk, the power popped back on again, after nine hours on this day. >> do you feel demoralized? do you feel like, all right, enough already, it's time to surrender and negotiate? >> no way. look, we have passed through the hardships of the '90s and we didn't have light, water, heating and everything for hours and hours every day. and that then was desperate because we knew it was about poverty. now it's about war and we know that we must win.
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>> reporter: winning this phase of the war comes with weapons like these to charge phones and any other emergency equipment. >> it's the most important thing here to have in ukraine, a power bank. without it, you don't have any connection and it's the most important now to know that your relatives are okay. >> reporter: they tell us generators are almost all sold out and super expensive now, as well as canceled, torches and head lamps. natalia has improvised light from a water bottle and her iphone. downtown, it's dire for businesses, too. every beauty salon operates on hair dryers for that blowout, and of course water to wash out the shampoo and the dye. olena is taking her chances today. >> translator: after i finish dyeing it, i might have to go home to dry it, but it's fine. >> reporter: just one floor has power and the others are dark. before the war, hair house had
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150 clients a day, now it's more like 50 and the salon is losing revenue. but as the manager tells me, they keep calm and carry on. >> i believe that we should work even without light, even without electricity, we should help our people and we will do our job for them. i believe that sooner or later the light will come. >> reporter: like so many civilians, they say, enduring these hardships on the home front is part of their war effort, supporting their troops on the front lines, who are fighting to keep ukraine independent, fighting for their homeland. and in his nightly address tonight, president zelenskyy said that his forces have shot down eight of those iranian made kamikaze drones, which the russians are using to attack the
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energy infrastructure. also, the united states, it was the national security adviser, jake sullivan, in town today, saying that $400 million more u.s. aid, including tanks and sophisticated anti-air defenses are being pledged and coming soon. that's the latest, brianna. >> christiane, thank you so much for taking inside of those ukrainian homes and businesses in that excellent report. christiane amanpour live for us in kyiv. coming up, with four days to go until elections, the economy is the top issue for voters. more than a quarter million new jobs just added. is that a good thing? and why some voters are being asked to weigh in on magic mushrooms. the psychedelics being used as a way to treat depression and stress disorders. age comes with wisdom.
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the use of psychedelics are already legal in some places. cnn's david culver has more. >> reporter: on the nearly 1,000 acre new frontier ranch in southern oregon, he wants to explore uncharted territory. >> it will save people's lives because it works. >> reporter: he's talking about magic mushrooms, as most know them, a natural substance he firmly believes can bring internal healing. >> i have to get this in the hands of as many people that are suffering as quickly and
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inexpensively as possible. >> reporter: he had to go where it is legal, they chose jamaica, with medical professionals on site to keep watch. vetted participants ingest the drug, medicine. >> it was in a powder form that was mixed with a juice. >> are you thinking, gosh, what is this going to do? >> yeah, definitely nervous. >> reporter: she says she turned to the drug to help her grieve the loss of her sister and a recent breakup. >> i was feeling pretty lost and hopeless. >> this is my room. >> so in june she traveled to jamaica for one of the retreats. she says she remembers every detail from her altered state but struggles to convey the experience through words. >> it almost was like i could see the life within everything around me. it sounds we're, but it's like to feel what it really is like to feel alive. >> to you start to revisit some of the loss and pain? >> there definitely was a lot of processing and healing that i was able to do during the
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ceremony and then especially afterwards, too. >> arnold wants to bring the same retreat ceremony, as he calls it, stateside, beginning in oregon. in 2020, the state became the first in the u.s. to say it could be grown, to be taken with strict supervision and restrictions on driving. opening a potential billion dollar industry. folks like jason, a dad of three toddlers, willing to spend nearly $50,000 to undergo the mandatory training and licensing and to build the infrastructure required for approval. >> i want to do it right here. my family is here, all of our other businesses are here. it's a farm crop. >> here we would have something like a yert. >> there's a winery righ t there.
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>> new jersey and washington have reduced penalties for personal possession and use. more than a dozen other states actively studying benefits or considering their own legislation. for centuries, psychedelics have been used for treatment and rituals by traditional cultures. >> america's public enemy number one. >> but in the '70s with the war on drugs, they were criminalized in the u.s. today the medical community is studying it to treat ptsd, anxiety, depression, and even to curb alcohol use. the lingering unknowns and stigma creating a growing unease in oregon. >> we just want to say no. we want to opt out.
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>> more than 100 counties and cities in oregon may be pushing back. the mayor, one of many who secured ballot measures allowing voters to ban the businesses locally. >> do you feel like the community needs protecting from this measure? >> yes. >> why? >> i don't know what it does. i don't know how it would be controlled. i don't know how to keep kids away from it. i guess it's the fear of things we don't understand. >> reporter: a similar concern echoed back in southern oregon. near new frontier ranch, it's here the legalization of cannabis proved messy in 2015, led to the participation of cartels, human trafficking. legalizing a new drug is not going over well here. >> boy, you've got that right. >> mary ann crandall lives next to the ranch. she's open to the therapeutic benefits but worries about the impact. >> we have a very unique community and we want to keep it that way. >> arnold sees it as a vital
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