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omar: prop 30 helps contain fires and combat tailpipe emissions. vote yes on 30. the crucial midterm elections are down to the final wire. there are four days left to make their pitches. >> with control of the senate and house up for grabs, both parties are barn storming the critical battle ground states. let's check in with harry at the magic wall for us where are we on the battle for the senate? >> hey, alisyn. let's start off with the idea what is at stake in this election, how close the balance of power in the united states.
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we have a 50/50 split in the u.s. senate with kamala harris breaking the tie. one seat shift could make the difference in the world. what are key states that we're watching? here are key senate races we're watching. we have wisconsin. we have georgia. we have pennsylvania. we have nevada. we have arizona. not only here and we have new hampshire. let's dive in and get an understanding of a key state. pennsylvania, the commonwealth of pennsylvania. look how tight the polling is th there. john fetterman at 47% and mehmet oz at 47% and to give you an understanding how important the pennsylvania senate race is. the democrat's chance of
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maintaining control, if mehmet oz wins, they have an 18% chance of holding onto the chamber. if fetterman wins, the democrats chance jump up to 70%. pennsylvania is a really key state. back to you alisyn. >> thank you very much. i think that would be great for our dueling panel segment. i'll take pennsylvania. set the clock for four minutes, if you would. thank you very much and we're back with scott, keith and joining us is cnn presidential historian. great to have all of you. spotlight on pennsylvania. this weekend tomorrow former president obama will be in pittsburgh and former president trump will be in latrobe. pennsylvania must mean a lot. what do you see happening in pennsylvania from your historical perspective? >> i remember how oprah changed everything when she came out and
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supported barack obama in '08. she has magic. the fact she chose fetterman over dr. oz is a great deal. whether that tips the balance, i don't know. but the oprah factor is important. >> let's hear what fetterman said about that endorsement from oprah. >> we all know oprah is the creator of dr. oz' tv career and she went for you instead. what does this mean to you in your campaign? >> i mean, she's an icon. it unbelievable. it's an honor and i'm so grateful and she understands what is at stake here in this race. >> do you -- scott, do you think that tips the balance for fetterman? >> no. not really. i think this race is incredibly close. polling has it a dead heat. i would rather, i think, be oz than fetterman because of the trim lines on this thing. i don't think oprah is going to
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be any more determinative than trump or obama or biden or any of these other i think it's interesting. both campaigns have real deficiencies in someways. oz had a persistent deficiency since the primary and fetterman has candidate deficiencies, as well. i don't know what will happen again. i think rather us than them. we'll see. >> here is oz's closing argument for us today. let me play that for you. >> i'm going to ask you to pose a question to ten friends. pick anyone you want. they can be conservative democrats, independents, republicans, but you have to ask ten people. that's my pledge. can you do that? >> yes. >> here is the question. are you happy with where the country is headed? now, if they say yes, you got to gently take their car keys away. they shouldn't be driving. >> it's funny. charlotte alter has a piece in "time magazine" saying that
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pennsylvania is the vibes election and the way she describes the vibes is basically if a character's candidate is revealed by their choices and they are personality is absorbed, it's a mixture of both of those. the general impression they make on a normal person who isn't paying close attention and she is arguing that fetter man is al about the vibes. you know who he is at first blush. your thoughts about pennsylvania? >> i think the vibes argument is dead on with pennsylvania. this is the vibe election of them all. john fetterman reeks middle america, working class, middle class guy and mehmet oz is this tv star doctor that doesn't even live in the state of pennsylvania and had to move there from new jersey and has homes all over the place, this millionaire and he's not
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relatable and when he tries to du go to a grocery store or something, he is not relatable. >> do you need reliability or does fetterman also have deficiencies as we saw after the stroke? >> we are seeing a push back against elites around the country and you have to ask yourself which of these two candidates smacks of being part of the elite -- >> the bell just rang. we had a lot more to say. >> there is nothing more elite than never work agihnever woinga than never work agi day of your life like john fetterman. >> you had him beat on my guy. >> more elite than taking our four-minute time away. this elite will stop. maria, listen, you heard that question about ask your friends are they happy with where your country is going, you didn't like that. >> it's a faulty question.
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if you ask me if the country is going in the right direction, died in the wool democrat progressive, i'll say no. and by no means does that mean i'll ever vote for a republican because i think republicans and especially the republican party today is part and parcel of the problem. they want to take away my rights. they want to destroy our democracy. they are absolutely all about election denial and nobody has the backbone to stand up to the leader of the party which is donald trump about to announce for president god forbid that will take us in a completely continuing wrong direction. so i think that is the wrong arbiter for people and for people to try to understand where this country is going. >> since maria has no passion at all -- >> what do you really think? >> i want to know what is arbiter in your mind? is that the wrong question? >> the partisans will get out and turn out the way they normally do. the question is the independence and in a referendum election
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that will be about the party in power and how they're feeling cuts differently. how do they feel about inflation and how far their paychecks are going and that's not going to help the president. that will be the fundamentals prevail political gravity wins the day and the question is can republicans take advantage in time with all this early vote that's in, they're catching up. the trajectory is right but the question is do they run out of time? >> is this the conversation happening? >> online made us all reductive. marjorie taylor greene is considered intellectual and she's not. i'm just saying, this is how you do it, these angry flash mob tweets and stuff like that are how people are talking in politics. i think people are actually more reflective in real life, you know, and i don't think everyone is on this thing like all these po political people are. i think people care about the economy and can pay their jobs and their housing is expensive
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and they do care about abortion but that is in front of it and i think that's normal. i think a lot of people do think if you press them like yeah, they seem a little extreme and crazy but i have to deal with my house right now or have to deal with living in my car or i have to deal with jobs. >> so it would be thoeory to th tangible. >> i've talked to many women and wished laura lopez was here because she talked about a conversation, various conversations she's had for people, with people in pennsylvania and other battle ground states and a lot of the women are saying people are saying the economy and yes, i care about the economy but when i go into the booth, i think the cow economy is going to come back. my rights will not. she talked to several republican women that told her she'd vote for the democrat because of abortion and not telling their husbands. there is an underlying current that's not being measured in the current polls as you know.
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newly registered women, newly registered people of color will never show up in the polls because pollsters don't measure them. >> ticket splitting? >> i think there will be some of that. people -- we've shown looking at different races, different matches. not that it's not showing up in the polls but it's been make ever -- baked in since may and june and democrats are competitive and why we expect the house to go where it's going, they remain competitive across the senate map. it will be close. >> i agree with that. >> it's not hidden. it's right there. >> so what you're saying -- >> i have family in pennsylvania and they are republican and they're going to vote for oz and doug mastriano -- look. >> few elections. >> alisyn, to the limit, to the wire. >> we were listening with attention. that was a good panel you had right there. >> no elite-ism here.
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new tonight, the january 6th committee giving more time to turnover documents saying in a statement trump must begin producing records and remains under deposition testimony starting on november 14th. that as sources tell cnn trump is eyeing that date, november 14th to maybe potentially launch his 2024 presidential campaign.
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joining me now former rnc communications direct tore doug high, liam donovan and maria cardona are still here with us. i want to put this in because it reminds me of the book, no good probably bad day. this is what trump said in iowa while asked while having a dangling of a carrot on this moment. here he is. >> in order to make our country successful and safe and glorious, i will very, very, very probably do it again. okay? very, very, very probably. [ cheers ] very, very probably. >> well, doug, will he very, very, very probably run or is there some political aspect of why he might not be announcing? do you have a sense? >> let me say something about donald trump. he was very consistent in his messaging. >> very, very. >> each time was three veriyver.
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he had some discipline with messaging. he has big pots of money to move around. if he formerly said announces, that changes. we have to think about that. we also know he likes playing victim. these things conflict. if he announces, he can play the victim better. they're coming after me because of politics. the other is donald trump loves attention. we were talking over the summer he might announce around july 4th and this goes back to a key thing about donald trump. same bat time, same bat channel, we all tune in next week. >> on the point -- >> that's a long i don't know. >> it was very, very, very probably a good i don't know. here are the ways in terms of how it can move around a little bit. the pots of money. if he were to announce a 2024 campaign, the rnc by their own policy, not a lawful one, not based on legislative or otherwise or policy, they won't pay for his legal bills.
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if he announces raising $2900 from individuals and 5,000 from pacts, the pact not being able to underwrite campaign activities and no more personal fundraising and trade association. there is a lot to just the announcement. it might be part of the idea of wanting to just get the attention of will he or won't he but that -- that's a quite heftily list of reasons you don't have power over your purse any longer. >> he likes to have pots of money. the thing that is striking fear in the hearts of republican operatives is that timing. you mentioned mid november. we might very well have a runoff in the state of georgia in early december which is deja vu how republicans almost won then lost the senate majority. that might be another factor how things shake out on tuesday. is georgia going to run off and is herschel walker going to be effect ive in what he does? i think mike pence's book comes
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out the 15th. not the same day. there is something about the 14th. >> i think he might look at this and say this will be my opportunity to clear the field, right? if he saw ron desantis' ad he's probably not going to like it, right? then mike pence, he might just do it as an ego thing to clear the field and to tell everyone i'm the god, not you ron desantis. i'm god. i'm doing this right now. in terms of the rnc policy, if it's not law, the rnc can say oh, we changed our mind even if you run, we're going to go ahead and pay your legal bills. they've done that before. so that might not be something that keeps him from doing it but one thing that could keep him on the track to doing it is perhaps he thinks it's protection from prosecution because then he'll say i'm a candidate and then, you know, maybe the doj will have to think twice about how they go about doing it and that's when they talk about the special counsel. >> good point. the special counsel had discussion whether or not to have the insulation of being
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able to say look, we're not going after a political opponent, not a politicized department but then there is the -- almost the exhaustion fact factor in a way. you're operatives. if you're going into an announcement knowing i'll going to have to pay legal bills for you that will probably be one of many, does that count against the enthusiasm you think or is the base that he has potentially enough to overshadow that? >> the victim hood that doug mentioned is power and feel a financial driver. it's a self-licking ice cream cone in a sense but i don't think it necessarily put as damper on it. you can be very clever and dance this line but at a certain point you have to jump. you want the protection or you want to control your purse. >> maria, actually -- i shouldn't say actually, very smartly talked about rnc. >> maria obviously very smart. >> i meant because you were talking about rnc policy, not
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dnc. the rnc has rule 11 an ironclad thing that says they can't get involve in primaries. if mccarthy is running they can't get involved unless the state of california republican party files a rule 11 letter at the clair -- declaring him the candidate. they can get rid of the rule especially if donald trump tells them do. they might do so and the candidates will be out of luck. >> the rules are there ain't no rules. >> we seen the kneel of donald trump i'll do whatever he wants so yeah. >> when you think about that and going forward and you mentioned the idea of you almost all of you are preschooliuming trump we the obvious nominee of the rnc. desantis, his ad reminiscent of the be a farmer notion, do you think he could actually over take him? >> i think the fact that
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president trump is down in florida, down planting his flag, the fact he's flirting with this very, very, very probably stuff means he hears footsteps trying to get out there to box out. >> the party kind of breaks down like this. you have 10% that will never vote for donald trump in any fashion. you have 40% that will do anything donald trump wants to do that's a marching order. about 50% voted for trump. they sort of like him. some of them are exhausted. they're looking at other people but that core 40%, they are the most active in the primary process and that gives trump a huge leg up. >> as president biden has been talking about, remember, he has himself said it is his intention to run for reelection but he's noncommittal and not firm saying i'll do so and the midterm elections is really this clear mark, right? put down this as the key marker. you got to wonder not just with who is in power but what else will change going forward. talking 2024 but alisyn, tuesday
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is almost here and that will be the key date and days following that and we mentioned the prospect may be even of a runoff or close and as deadlocked as people predict. we have a long road. >> we'll have a long night on tuesday and people will have to settle in and get comfortable because all of our experts said we may not even know next week. so we'll see. all right. meanwhile, $1.6 billion it's the biggest jackpot ever for the lottery and before you start counting your money. it turns out the lottery is making it harder for us to win. >> well shoot. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief... when you need it most.t. in two seconds, eric will realize they're gonna need more space... gotta sell the house. houses. , skip the hassles and sell with confidence to opendoo wow.
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the powerball jackpot is $1.6 billion. if you think the jackpots are more frequent, you're right. excuse me. the jackpots are getting bigger but the chances of winning are getting slimmer. joining me is harry enten and keith. they're stacking the deck against us more since the past few years, aren't they? >> they made a shift back in 2015 and you have to match the white balls and powerballs. it changed the odds. you have a 1 in 175 million chance of winning you used to and now 1 in 292 million chance of winning. you have a better chance of winning the powerball than the
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mega millions by a little bit, a little north of 1 and 303 million. look, the odds are better. >> so you're saying i have a chance. that's crazy. i don't think many people know that. they've made it harder. everybody has notice there had say bigger jackpot but you don't stand a snowball chance in hell. >> if you line up the last few times we got the largest jackpot in the last few years, they made it significantly more difficult but to me, it's like okay, maybe some schools are getting some extra money. maybe some kids are now going to be able to go to high school and, you know, money shouldn't be free. it shouldn't be free. and but, you know, also goes through my head of what i would necessarily want with the millions of dollars. >> what would you? >> i think that if i won, you know, the $1.6 billion, of course, a lump sum would be less than 780 million, somewhere around there. >> rip off. >> rip off. >> i would probably my myself a
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diet amw cream soda factory and i would have all the cream soda i want. >> that's the cutest thing i ever heard. tim, have you ever bought a lottery ticket? >> a couple times? >> you have? >> my mom. my mother likes to play the lottery so i'll go to the drugstore and pick it up for her. >> okay. are you playing in this one? >> no but, you know, look, for $2, it's a lot of fun. it's a bit of fantasy and, you know. >> it's worth it. >> as long as you know you're not going to win. >> i don't know that. >> you don't know -- >> somebody has got to win. why can't it be me? >> if you win a little something because there are ways of winning without winning the whole -- >> why can't i win the whole jackpot? >> i hope you do. >> thank you, tim. >> somebody has got to win. eventually somebody will win. the chances one of us will win are very unlikely but somebody in this country or universe will win this lottery. >> that fantasy is worth $2.
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>> it is worth $2. >> yeah. >> don't get disappointed if you don't. [ laughter ] >> i'm just hoping if one of you win, you'll cut me in a little bit. >> no question about that. >> for the cream soda. >> do you play the lottery ever? >> i have played. whenever it gets over half a billion dollars i'll play. >> what would you do with $1.6 billion? >> after i take care of the people around me it start in a foundation and start the causes i believe in. >> that's the right answer. you couldn't possibly spend it. wouldn't it be fun to dull it out to whatever cause you care about. >> i care about so many issues -- i wouldn't give it to political candidates, i know that. not that you shouldn't do that. [ laughter ] >> that's -- that was -- >> that was off message. [ laughter ] >> i would give it out to causes i believe in. >> i feel -- that is my fantasy. the fantasy.
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>> more self-indulging. >> with $1.6 billion, you can do both. >> how much cream soda do you think i can drink in a day? >> you said a lifetime. >> you'd be employing people, harry. that would be a good thing. >> how about owning a minor league baseball team? i could do that. >> okay. >> that could employ more people. >> reconstitutionng the montrea expos. >> bring a third baseball team back to new york. >> noble. >> having live in harlem for 20 years and los angeles, i see homeless people in the street. i can't take all this money and use it for myself. i'll still use it for myself. >> of course. >> i have to help other people. it would be selfish to take this money i didn't earn and spread it out. >> i think it would make you sick. aren't there stories that won
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the lottery and it ruined their lives? >> it's a myth. with wonderful answers of giving back, 87 mil% of americans coul share but 62 or 63% said they would quit their current job. i won't say what i would do in this situation but i won't want to hang out with you guys more. >> you're sweet. >> yes. also, i mean, they do say there are some secrets to if you win, you're not supposed to -- you're supposed to lawyer up of course. as you said, take the lump sum. i think you're supposed to stay anonymous for sure. >> if you can. >> yes. >> some states don't allow that. >> that helps not ruin your life. >> i wouldn't accept it right away. i would take some time and think and talk to people before i went and accepted the money. >> don't forget that a lot of this money does go to the government in taxes and will fund all kinds of other things. >> that was your point. >> if you want to win and get the biggest jock pot possible,
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pick numbers above 31 because a lot of people play anniversaries and birthdays and no month has more than 31 days in it. >> good secret. laura, you heard the self-indulging choices that we would make if winning 1.6 billion. what would you do? >> i can tell you probably wouldn't have a cream soda factory. [ laughter ] i was going to tell you, the mont mont montreal expo -- sorry. i would be a little angel type investor and i would go around the world trying to find people who i think were really in need of it and surprise them with it. almost like that undercover boss but i wouldn't be so obvious like putting a mustache on going it's laura coates, here is the money for you and i'd buy a couple things for myself and by a couple, i mean, 1 point billion. >> i hope you win because that would be great watching you be
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undercover boss and surprising people. >> like a bad '80 movie when the girl comes down and glasses come off and suddenly she's supposed to be someone different. that would be my version of it. something like that. >> that would be great. >> i have a i canticket. nobody else needs to buy one. >> if we don't see you tomorrow -- >> it's a saturday. >> call me and split it. don't tell me i'm rich. let me know and give me half. >> no problem. >> there you go. everyone get ready to turn your clocks back an hour because you might need more time to think of a better way to spend the money because sunday is the end of daylight saving time. it's saving, not savings, who knew? does it have to be for matt to correct? we'll talk about it next. and we knonow 80% of couples sleep too hot or too cold. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed.d. the only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms and
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all right, everyone, it's that time of year again. alisyn, we're currently in daylight saving time but come sunday at 2:00 a.m. we'll fall back and turn the clock back one hour. we'll gain an hour of sleep and push sunrise and sunset earlier and come mid march, we'll spring forward into daylight saving time and turn our clocks ahead an hour. >> i do like the extra hour of sleep but i don't like it gets dark at like 4:30 and 5:00 p.m.
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that's depressing. >> my kids don't care. >> the senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. it stalled in the house. the push for permanent daylight saving time got mixed reviews. the golf industry, restaurants and other industries are in favor for lighter longer. >> that's amazing and parents who don't want their children waiting in the dark for the school bus and sleep experts say it harms our rhythms. they also object. so back with us now here alisyn to talk more about it, cara, liam and maria. there are those in favor of and arguments against. does it surprise you that it hasn't gone anywhere? do you expect this to be actually resolved? do you have personal opinions? we're all personally sleep deprived in our anyway. >> i don't think we need it. maybe we need to figure out
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which side we want. most people want a longer day because they feel like they're more productive and more gets done. but i think we should just decide one way or the other. i grew up in puerto rico. there is no daylight saving time. when i was in school, when i was calling my parents, mi had to fe out the time. in general, the reason we had daylight saving time originally, it's not really there. it comes from colonial times and most of the country was farming so it was a reason to do that. i don't think that exists anymore but i think people are dug in into the ways that they like their days and why so i kind of don't think it's going to go anywhere. >> many hadn't thought about the social reasons. the idea of children at the school bus early going away to school in the darkness, coming back in the darkness. i'm from minnesota. it was that way. certain industries want it. it's very telling.
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trying to consume more. more time to buy. more time to play. more time to spend maybe time and money. that correlation can't possibly be a reason to influence congress, right? there is no lobbying. >> no, no. >> ever. >> i hardly think about this topic at all whatsoever. i do whatever my apple watch tells me to. >> it's time to stand up, cara, that's all wow need to know. >> i want some technology that says put that donut down to your rhythm or whatever, i don't care. >> i wonder do you care? i know i care about this. >> i think he does care. >> i want to know who i go talk to to get the extra hour of sleep because in my house, that's not how it works. >> we have a lot of kids. >> eight between us. >> this is not supposed to get this far. a consent in the senate. the fact it got half way there is a funny fluke of procedure. now we actually have to grapple with this seriously in a way we haven't done in four years.
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>> the house hadn't acted yet because they are overwhelmed with voters in split opinions and warnings from sleep specialists. i wonder are there not other areas overwhelmed by split opinions from voters? this is the one hangup and hurdle? >> local governments can keep it. if you have a locality and the majority don't want it, they can get rid of it. >> i wonder thinking about this, when i think back to the safety aspect and the way we had studies now time and time again about the importance of sleep. the idea thinking about mental health as an overall society now, really appreciating it in different ways, this does sort of tap into maybe a level of evolving as a society. is there a reason other than commerce, a reason other than something that is just a we chae
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based on studies and health. usually a big fight and now doesn't seem to be. >> yeah. i think it's something that and you're probably right, cara, i don't think very many people think about this that much. >> no. >> which is probably why it won't go anywhere. >> no. >> this issue of sleep deprivation is a big one especially here in the united states, right? i think we are probably the country maybe next to japan that is the most sleep deprived in the world and sleep is such a benefit to mental health, to your physical health, to so many things. i mean, i'm lucky because i can sleep wherever, however, whichever way and i'm very lucky in that because a lot of people suffer from insomnia. >> screen time. that's been the entry of that with kids and everybody else how much screen time you have and using it late at night are interesting studies. in china, people have to -- the
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teens have to put them down and they legislate -- not really legislate, it's not a leg legislature there. they say stop. the adibdictive element and lighting element, everybody, adults and children got worse. that's one thing i think is very interesting to study is what that is. >> sleep deprived, screen time. alisyn, come into this. >> we don't know anything about sleep deprivation. >> what time is it right now? >> exactly. >> i'm like maria. i'm a sleep champion. i pride myself on that. thank goodness. i'd also like to hear more about the eight children that -- >> i know. >> later. >> they snuck that in, didn't they? >> later we'll get married even though we're already married and i'm gay. >> my wife -- >> watch out kardashians.
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>> there is a lot happening there. >> there is a show there alisyn. >> i'm with ya. >> i see it. >> discovery plus. >> they share children but they're married to other people. very fascinating. >> it's going to be good. >> isn't that wife swap? pundit swap? i don't know. maybe if we had that extra hour, you'd be in the leap year program only available for day like saving time. >> if we go to leap year, i have to leave this panel immediately. >> we're not doing leap year. cara is like i'm done with this. >> we'll talk about elon. >> elon. >> things are running off the rails there. so i think -- >> sleep deprived. we would like to go to sleep. we want them to sign off. that's why, alisyn, i need the hour at 2:00 a.m. on sunday. i will be there with bells on in flannels in fact. don't even span down on this camera. i'm already asleep. >> it's either that or cara has
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all right, everyone. it's time to sound off. let's see what you have been saying tonight. there's one on daylight saving. it says, no, we shouldn't. we need more sun in the morning
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so it makes perfect sense to revert to standard time. nice to have extra sun in the summer when the evening is nice, leave it alone, cancel something else. >> this one is from ah slewy. no, it's too dark in the morning for kids to walk to school. that's your point, laura. >> it is. it's awful to see them in the darkness. it's just too dark for me. from bob smith it says didn't realize it's been in place to reduce energy consumption. it definitely reduces my energy when i lose an hour of sleep so it's time for it to go. who knew. people care, see? >> except that sliver in indiana. you know where to find us @alisyncamerota
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