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hello, everyone. i'm bianna golodryga. welcome to "cnn newsroom." >> i'm victor blackwell. good to be with you. the white house just confirmed that president biden called one of the heroes of the attack on an lgbtq nightclub in colorado. the president offered his thanks and support to veteran richard fierro. now, he stopped the gunman, who police say had just shot and killed five people inside club q saturday. he took down the shooter, grabbing him by his military jacket, pummeling him with the gunman's own weapon. >> i lost my kid's boyfriend. i tried. i tried to help everybody in there. i still feel bad that five people -- there's five people that didn't come home. and this guy, this guy, i told him while i was hitting him, i said i'm going to kill you, man, because you tried to kill my
friends. my family was in there. as soon as i got done with that guy and the cop came in, i went across the room and started first aid with my friend who was shot in the chest, in the legs and the arms, and i told her joanne, stay with me, look me in the eye, stay with me. and i moved her head so she wouldn't see her arm because it was shot. and chip was right there, her husband, was reaching for her. so i put her hand in his hand. and that they could be together. i didn't know if they were going to make it. this [ bleep ] -- this guy, man. this whole thing was a lot. my daughter and wife should have never experienced combat in colorado springs. they have to live with this now till whenever the -- it's a lot for any human, man. this kid that was helping me was kicking another human in the head, and i told him to do it.
>> now, you heard richard mention his daughter's boyfriend. raymond green vance was just 22 years old. we're also learning about the other lives cut short. kelly loving was visiting colorado springs from her home in denver. a close friend said kelly had been a resource for other trans women. family members say ashley paugh had a huge heart. they say her 11-year-old daughter riley was her entire world. and 28-year-old daniel aston was a bar supervisor at club q. aston worked with derrick rump, seen in the bowtie there in this photo, who also tended bar at club q. their co-worker went for his friends at a vigil last night. >> daniel had a big heart. you know. and derrick had a big heart. and there are so many words that can describe them. i've lost two good friends. being at that bar, they became family. and i'm going to miss them so much. >> cnn's nick watt is in
colorado springs. nick, these stories are heartbreaking. you hear from richard fierro telling the story of how he took this man down and then what he did. you're learning more about what others experienced. give us some details. >> reporter: well, victor, we're also learning about the other two people who helped rich fierro in their heroic efforts to bring this gunman down and, as officials say, prevent more people from dying. we have heard that rich fierro had help from one other young man initially in bringing this gunman to the ground. fierro told this young man, who was at the suspect's head, get the a.r. away from him, get the weapon away from him. this man was then hitting the suspect in the head. we now know his name is information systems technician petty officer second class thomas james of the u.s. navy. i'm going to say his name again. thomas james. and we hear from the navy that
he is currently in a stable condition and, quote, we remain hopeful he will make a full recovery. he is in the hospital. now, the third person, rich fierro said that this young man, thomas james eventually injured, kind of drifted away. and a trans woman, we hear from one of the survivors, then in high heels started kicking the suspect in the head. in the head. helping fierro subdue the suspect. so three heroes here. three heroes. in terms of the suspect, we learned that back in 2016, 2015 he changed his name and prior to that had been subject to some online bullying. from the police in terms of the investigation they say we're not going to get any updates from them until monday of next week and, quote, they say there are judicial proceedings under way outside of our control. in terms of the injured we hear from fort carson here that three of their community were among
the injured. you mentioned those two bartenders, daniel aston and dper derrick rump. just to give you an idea of just how small the lgbt community is in this city, one of derrick rump's friends was speaking to cnn this morning and she said here we don't really talk about the lgbtq community, we talk about the club q community. that was their hub. that was their safe space. and she said that daniel and derrick were really the kind of glue that really held their community together and now of course they're gone. you mentioned this about rich fierro. his daughter's boyfriend, 22-year-old raymond vance, dead. you know, so rich fierro the hero and also one of the victims, suffering the loss of somebody so close to him. guys? >> rich fierro, a military trained veteran. now we know another hero, served in the navy. both veterans, both highly
trained. and you can still see the emotion that rich went through, having gone through this here in the united states. he'd served overseas, never expecting this to happen in his own home. nick watt, thank you. well, now to cnn's brynn gingras. you've got new details on the shooting suspect who's now in the hospital awaiting charges. nick mentioned there's evidence that the suspect was bullied as a young child. what more do we know? >> reporter: yeah, it's important to note we don't know exactly his motive. he's not speaking to investigators at this point. but we're getting a little bit of a clearer picture about his past, maybe what pointed in this direction. and what our investigative team has uncovered is that yeah, he was the subject of pretty vile bullying back in 2015. there was this site online that, again, cnn investigative team found. much like a wikipedia page. it had the picture of the suspect, anderson aldrich, and it had offensive slurs mocking his weight, basically accusing him of pretty -- engaging in illegal activity and mocked his grandmother and her fund-raising efforts to help him go on a
class trip to japan. and just again, pretty vile bullying for this person on this online site. it was updated several times in 2015. a year thafter that, in 2016, jt before anderson aldrich turned 16 years old, he decided, he asked a court to change his name. his name before that was nicholas f. brink. the court granted that. and that is why his name now is anderson aldrich. and then if we fast forward even more, we learned some really jarring details. back in 2021, so just a year ago, about his engagement with law enforcement. we touched upon this just a little bit yesterday when he surrendered to authorities. we have some new video to show you of him inside this house, where he is really just challenging authorities as they are responding to threats he was making against his mother. take a listen. >> [ bleep ]. got the [ bleep ] rifles out. if they breach -- >> okay. so i don't think we're going to play that in full.
but essentially, he was -- there was a bomb threat. the entire neighborhood had to be evacuated. and there were no charges that were actually filed in this particular case, guys. so that speaks to why that didn't come up in a background check when he purchased the weapons used in the incident that we are now talking about. but certainly this, again, paints a picture of what his past has looked like. again, we don't know if this is what led to what he decided or allegedly decided to do just now. >> brynn gingras, thank you. >> thank you, brynn. with us now is the chief of colorado springs police, adrian vasquez. chief vasquez, thank you so much for joining us. so we know the suspect is in the hospital right now. he's currently facing five counts of first-degree murder and five counts of bias-motivated crime. why do you expect for him to be officially charged? >> so i think that he will probably be released relatively soon. at least we're hoping to do that. as soon as we can get limb to our criminal justice center, the
jail, i think the d.a.'s office will take over, and my sense is that it should be shortly after that. i don't know that that would happen today. but i know the d.a.'s office is waiting on that release so that they can move forward with charging. >> what is the status of his medical condition now? >> yeah, right now because of the hipaa rules we can't talk too much about his specific medical conditions, but we do know that he is in good enough condition for that release. so that's good news for us, for us to be able to get him out of the hospital and down to the jail. >> have you spoken with him? have officers spoken with him? is he cooperating at all? >> so part of the investigation is that those interviews with i am had, what i can say is he certainly has the right not to speak with officers and at this point in time we haven't received information from him. >> we were told yesterday that
he has an attorney. have you spoken to his attorney and is he refusing to cooperate now that he does have an attorney? >> i have not been given information on any attorney that he has. i'm not aware that he has one at this point. >> what about the status of his mother? as of yesterday his mother was not cooperating with authorities. has that changed? >> so we have not had the opportunity to speak with his mother, and she has not offered to come forward and speak with us. >> do you know where she is? >> i don't. >> so she could have left the city for all you know? >> i'm not sure where she is. but i know that we have not been in contact with her after that initial attempt. >> why not? >> well, she would need to come forward at this point. certainly we can continue trying to talk with her and our investigators would do that, but at this point in time she has exercised that right not to
speak with us. >> aside from the five counts of bias-motivated crime is there anything specifically that leads you to that charge? it's pretty clear that he had entered this facility and this club. it's evidence that there was hate bias there. but is there any evidence that you've come across thus yet in your investigation that shows a direct link to that? >> so i'm not able to speak directly to those items that have been found in the investigation, but i will say that this is going to be a long-term investigation. there is a lot of information to cull through. but i know our investigators are writing search warrants and looking at any type of items such as computers and other technology as well as doing a lot of interviews that will help us nail down additional information on the motive for this crime. >> so if you're not able to interview his mother are there others in his immediate orbit
who you have been able to interview? >> we've done an extensive amount of interviews. i'm not able to say at this time just because of the investigation who those people are. >> do they include other family members? >> i'm age to say at this time who they are. >> in terms of your investigation, as we heard from brynn, that we have now confirmation that he's changed his name at the age of 16, how does that impact your investigation in going through any of his social media posts in the past? >> well, i will say that our investigators are very adept at utilizing their investigative techniques. additionally, we're partnering with the fbi. and they've been incredible partners not only in scene processing but in culling through any social media. but i feel very comfortable in our investigators' ability to determine the areas to look at. >> aside from the five who were
tragically killed in this shooting, there were scores that were injured. dozens. are you expecting charges on that front as well? >> absolutely. so the d.a. will look at all of the victims in this crime. right now we know that there were 17 individuals additionally that were shot. every one of those will be victims. we have another person that was injured by some other manner, for example, that probably fell or were injured when trying to leave. but everybody that we can identify in that club will most likely be a victim. even though they may not have been injured, they'll be a victim of things like menacing or other types of charges. so i think through the investigation the d.a.'s office will determine appropriate charges for the suspect on each of those victims. so i -- >> and finally, chief vasquez, do you have any reason to believe in your investigation thus far that there were other
accomplices or others who were aware that the perpetrator was going to go through with the shooting? >> at this point in time we don't have any information to indicate that but as part of the investigation of course we're going to continue looking at anybody who may have helped the suspect in some manner, you know, but right now we're not seeing anything at this point in time. >> all right. chief adrian vasquez, thank you so much for your time. >> joining us now philw wieiser the attorney general of colorado. let's start with these hate crime charges or as they're known in colorado the bias-motivated crime charges. are the facts that this attack happened at an lgbtq club and the identities and orientations of the victims alone enough to claim that this is a bias-motivated crime? >> that's an important legal question, and obviously it's going to be the totality of all the facts and circumstances we
can find. it is very clear that this was a safe haven. this was known as a club that lgbtq members went to. it was well, well known. the idea that this was somehow random and wasn't motivated by bias, it's hard to conceive that that's what's going on. obviously in a criminal trial he will have a defense, he could argue that it was random, it was not bias motivated. but there is in the legal term what you call a prima facie case, which is on the basic facts of this it certainly seems to be an extremely likely scenario that this was bias motivated and we're not quite sure why. that's part of the investigation. but more facts will emerge and obviously there may be additional reasons to believe it was bias motivated. >> listen, in this conversation you're the one with the law degree, but having covered what happened? georgia, the mcmichaels who were convicted for killing amaude arbery, there was social media postings, there was cell phone video. in the buffalo massacre, in
mother emanuel there were racist man.50os. t manifestos. the absence of another justification does not necessarily mean the presence of one. so will you have to have more than just the location and the victims to prove that he went there even in part, as the law says, to kill people who are part of the lgbtq community? >> as the police chief just said, we're early on in the investigation, and the investigators are going to be thorough and are going to look for all evidence that is relevant and bears on this question. we know that this bias motivation is a state of mind requirement. the facts that this was a well-known lgbtq club is critical. there are likely to be other facts that are going to get unearthed that are going to be relevant. that's part of this investigation. it's important that we report hate crimes as such, and we prosecute them as such. we've been working hard to better educate law enforcement on what it takes to investigate hate crimes so that we call this
out and prosecute it for what it is. >> so the max sentence for first-degree murder in colorado as i understand it is life without the possibility of parole. colorado abolished the death penalty a couple of years ago. so is there some net enhanced penalty for conviction on a bias-motivated crime? >> as you note, the first-degree murder charges here could lead to life without the possibility of parole, which there's no more that we could do in colorado. that said, i believe it's important that we honor the victims. and what you heard from the police chief is important. everyone who is in club q was a victim that night. the law provides the victims with rights to get closure, to get understanding and to get justice. by prosecuting this as a hate crime we are honoring victims who were victimized because of who they are. and that's something that
colorado is committed to protecting everyone's right to live as their beth authentic self. so even if there's not an additional sentence consequence we believe from a message and from honoring the victims it's important to go forward with hate crimes as well. >> understood. let me ask you about the red flag laws. you've been a strong proponent of getting the law passed. i just rad your campaign materials, that you campaigned for re-election on having implemented the red flag law in colorado. the sheriff of el paso county at the height of the discussion, the debate over them, opposed them. he said in 2019, "we're not going to pursue these on our own," speaking of the el paso county sheriff's office, "meaning the sheriff's office is not going to run over and try to get a court order. we support the rule of law, and if a judge issues an order of the court then it is up to law enforcement to execute that order." so he says he will follow the law. are there any concerns on your
part that potentially an opportunity was missed if the sheriff said that to invoke -- to use the red flag law to protect people from the suspect? >> we're going to keep learning about this suspect and the prior history, what law enforcement knew, what red flags if you will were seen or not seen. this is a learning opportunity, part of what i'm committed to is making sure that we educate and raise awareness both of law enforcement and the public about this important law. for those unfamiliar with the law it is a powerful tool that enables law enforcement or family members to petition to have firearms removed from someone who's a significant risk to themselves or to others. we in colorado need to use this tool the best we can. our office is responsible for educating law enforcement and the public about this tool. whether this was a missed opportunity or not it's too soon, difficult to say. we do know, by the way, that
when this law was first talked about there was some resistance by some sheriffs and others. we worked on a report about the law's first year. we worked to get more comfort. so far 20 of 32 sheriffs who said they wouldn't use the law have already used it. >> and as you've said, this sheriff was not the only one. thank you so much. colorado attorney general phil weiser. well, the white house is launching a major push to convince you to get your covid booster shot right away. in an effort to prevent a holiday season surge. and the travel industry is on a big hiring spree. will it be enough to keep up with this week's holiday travel rush? that's ahead. ce. feels like a dream. a a place of many wonders - and full of life. i open my eyes: earth is our pandora.
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only 11% of people have gotten their updated covid booster. that's just a fraction of the people eligible. the white house is launching a campaign to change that. >> my message and my final message, maybe the final message i give you from this podium, is that please, for your own safety, for that of your family, get your updated covid-19 shot as soon as you're eligible to protect yourself, your family, and your community. >> cnn's jeremy diamond is live at the white house, and cnn medical correspondent dr. tara narulla is with us now. jeremy, to you first. so walk us through the biden administration's push to get more people boosted. clearly hearing that warning from dr. fauci, which may be his last briefing, isn't enough to get more americans out there. >> yeah, there's no question that the united states is lagging in its efforts to get americans to get those updated bivalent booster shots. you'll remember the administration purchased 171
million doses of that shot. only 35 million have been administered. that amounts to about 13% of all u.s. adults having gotten that updated bivalent shot. so today the white house announcing dr. ashish jha, what the white house's covid coordinator is calling a six-week sprint to try to get more americans to get boosted ahead of the rest of the holiday seasons. it will include a public education campaign with some paid advertising on digital and on tv around the world cup, $350 million to boost community health center vaccination efforts, $125 million in grants to support vaccination efforts aimed at disabilities and elderly communities, and then also the cms, the center for medicaid -- medicare services is expected to send out a letter to nursing homes reminding them on their duty to educate their members of the benefits of covid vaccination. but the unmistakable message today from dr. fauci, from dr. jha, was that listen, these
vaccines are effective, they have new data to show that these bivalent boosters are indeed effective, and that they can prevent deaths. we're in a situation right now where dr. fauci and dr. jha said we could essentially have nearly every death that's happening from covid be prevented by these vaccines but in order for that to happen more people, particularly those who are vulnerable, who are older in age, need to go ahead and get vaccinated. and that was the push from the white house today. >> all right. dr. narula, let's talk about what's adding to some angst ooitsz for parents, the shortage of medicines to treat some of these childhood illnesses. we're talking flu, ear infections, sore throats. i feel like we've been talking about shortages for months now. what's going on? >> we have. we've been talking about it when it comes to feminine products, formula, adderall last week, and here we are talking about it with respect to upper respiratory viruses. the shortages now are with tamiflu, which is an anti-viral drug we give when someone has the flu. it's given to decrease the severity of symptoms, length of time you're sick and prevent complications. we're also talking about some antibiotics, common antibiotics
like amoxicillin and augmentin that as you mentioned are used to treat ear infections, strep throat and pneumonia, very common in kids. and the last class is albuterol, which is used in inhalers, for people who have asthma or reactive inhaler disease. we think we're seeing with rsv, covid, flu all at the same time and manufacturers when they were planning out how much they were going to make many months ago were not anticipating we were going to see this triple storm of all of these viruses at the same time. so it is forcing a lot of people to scramble and figure out how and where and when they're going to get their medication buzz you hopefully those supplies are -- there's really spot shortages that should be -- they should be able to up -- manufacture more so that in the coming months we're able to meet the demand. >> in the coming months. but what happens if children are sick in the coming weeks? >> so i think the important thing to remember is this is not something we have to panic about. most often you can find the drug if you look farther away than maybe your local pharmacy. also the pharmacist can reformulate medications. actually, the fda sent a letter to pharmacists telling them how
to take certain amoxicillin types and repurpose it into the liquid formulation because a lot of this is the liquid that's missing for the kids. and then also there are other options. amoxicillin is not the only antibiotic. we like to use very specific antibiotics but in a case like this if you really needed it we could use a broader spectrum antibiotic. and then finally the point we're all trying to make is test your kids because many times antibiotics are given inappropriately. 30% of antibiotics, it's been shown in recent studies, are given inappropriately to kids. so if you test for rsv and covid and the flu, you can identify if they really need it or not. and obviously help out with a situation right now that we're facing with shortages. >> all right. dr. tara narula and zwrermy diamond, thank you. >> thank you. right now an appeals court hearing is happening over the fate of the special master in charge of reviewing documents taken from former president trump's florida home. why the justice department wants him removed. that's next. and early voting starts in georgia's senate runoff between herschel walker and raphael
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that may have been seized in the search. cnn's paula reid is live outside the federal courthouse in atlanta. paula, the hearing is happening right now. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right, victor. we've been listening in to this hearing. arguments are under way as prosecutors try to convince this three-judge panel to get rid of the so-called special master. this is this third-party review of materials seized at the former president's mar-a-lago home back in august. this is also a big day because this is the first hearing since the appointment of special counsel jack smith. he's not here today. he's not arguing in court. but he has approved the arguments that are being made. and it was really interesting to hear the first few questions from this panel. the first question really asked is this kind of special master traditionally put in place when a search has not been determined to be unlawful? the answer was no. also another question about whether if you have a former president get a special master if that request is granted if every criminal defendant is then going to want this kind of
third-party review. so so far it sounds like this could be favorable for the prosecution. now, this court has previously granted prosecutors a carve-out from this requirement for a special master and said look, you can look at, you can investigate classified materials, and prosecutors got some good news early this morning when they found out two of the three judges that made that decision were going to be on today's panel. we are not expected, though, to get a decision today. that will likely come in the coming weeks. but this is all about how quickly they can move this investigation along, victor. a lot of concerns about how far this will extend into the 2024 presidential race. and as we know, the former president for decades has been very successful at using delay tactics in ongoing litigation and investigations. >> yes, he has. paula reid, thank you so much. airlines are hiring a whole bunch of people. they're trying to keep up with the holiday travel demand. we'll have more on that just ahead.
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cnn aviation correspondent pete munteen has more. >> reporter: airlines have been preparing for the rush at airports with a rush all their own, hiring thousands of new workers from the front desk to the flight deck. 24-year-old elie gull is about to follow in her dad's footsteps as a new commercial pilot. >> this is probably one of the best times in history to become a pilot. >> reporter: elie is joining piedmont airlines, which operates thousands of regional flights for american airlines. at its charlotte training center 400 new pilots have been trained here since june. >> we have real ambitions to grow the airline, essentially double the size of the airline. >> reporter: seasoned pilots are also in demand. piedmont just announced a $100,000 signing bonus for new captains. >> the opportunities have never been better. >> reporter: new industry numbers show staffing at the major airlines has now exceeded pre-pandemic levels. the hiring blitz comes after airlines struggled this summer, canceling 55,000 flights due in
part to staffing shortages. but hiring is happening beyond just pilots. american airlines says it has hired 12,000 employees this year companywide. southwest airlines says it has hired more than 15,000. and at united airlines 2,000 new customer service representatives are helping passengers in new ways. >> this is debbie speaking. may i help you? >> reporter: called agent on demand. you scan a qr code for a video call. agents can now connect with a stranded passenger at o'hare when they're not busy at another airport like dulles. >> i think this is going to be a great help, especially now that we're having snow everywhere. we want to be there for our customers, support them, make it easy, and just make them feel good about the trip and take off some of the stress. >> reporter: airlines insist they now have the right people in the right places. now the pressure is on them to perform. are you worried at all? >> i'm worried about the weather. i always worry about the weather because that's the number one thing that can ruin a flight. i think we're flexible enough
now that if there are cancellations or delays we will be ready to try to get people to where they want to go. >> reporter: we will see if all of this hiring pays off. so far so smooth, victor and bianna, especially considering how busy it has been at airports across the country, especially here at reagan national airport. cancellations pretty minimal. just checked flight aware. about 80 across the country yesterday. only about 40 so far today. although today the faa says will be one of the busiest in the skies. 48,000 flights scheduled nationwide. tomorrow, though, will be one of the busiest in terms of passengers. tsa anticipating screening 2.5 million people at airports nationwide. the highest since covid hit. victor and bianna. >> packed flights. get ready. pete, thank you. and we have breaking news to bring you. the supreme court has just cleared the way for congress to get donald trump's tax returns. more details straight ahead. rap®
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. more about the breaking news. supreme court has just cleared the way for the release of donald trump's tax returns to the house committee. >> let's get right to our analyst. what happened? >> this is a big loss for former president donald trump at the hands of the supreme court today. he had tried to get the supreme court to intervene to block his tax records from going to the democratic-led house ways and means committee. former donald trump had lost in lower courts, he had gone up to the supreme court saying of all the requests for documents that had been going on during his presidency and since, this was the worst request he said in his filing because it involved his personal tax returns. the supreme court today in just
a two sentence order said no, denied. there were no recorded dissents including from any of the trump appointed justices or any of the other conservatives on this very conservative court. unanimously at least on paper, against president trump. again there might have been some dissents behind the scenes but none were made public, so a major loss for former president trump and major victory for the democratic-led house ways and means committee. >> two sentence order is stark, so they are clear there. the question is within just a couple weeks left in a lame duck session, what will a democratically led congress be able to do with that, we'll get in to that alway little later w some of our political experts. thank you. and early voting is under way in douglas county, georgia, first county out of the gate in the senate runoff between raphael warnock and herschel
walker. >> state's republican lieutenant governor has called walker an unproon first time candidate, that is certainly on display on the campaign trail. >> i don't care the color of your skin, i don't matter whether you are black, white, yellow, green, if you are mar shin and live in the united states, i'll protect you too because you belong to my family. >> watching a stupid movie hoping you don't get better but keep watching anyway. i was watching this movie called fright night sleep night and sometime tonight, it was about vampires. i'll tell you something else, do you know how to kill a value entire in so i don't want to be a vampire, i want to be aware werew werewolf. >> and so i want to talk about your op-ed, three calls that you think the herschel walker campaign needs to make.
do you want herschel walker to win this race? >> i've been critical about the process we went through to pick herschel walker in a republican primary. right? we had very qualified individuals that have a career and resume that show that they were ready to take on this role and lead georgia in the senate. so it has been a difficult process. and i think the voters have spoken so far in watching governor kemp who has just really ran away with his race and see the difference between his outcome and what is launched herschel walker and raphael warnock into a runoff. >> i heard a ll that. i didn't hear whether you want herschel walker to win. >> i want the republicans to have roll of the house and eventually win the white house in 2024. really all we've got is an unimpressive margin in the house because i think that we ran a bunch of candidates that really were al leaenlg yant to donald
trump. and also in the senate, candidate quality matters. >> you won't have control of the senate regardless of what happens in this race in georgia as you know. so given that, does herschel walker have your endorsement? >> yeah, i think it is interesting to watch the statistics. aarp came out with a poll today that 51-47, still within the margin of error, breaking towards warnock. and i think it is surprising. feels like the delta should be more than that. but i think that it is one governor kemp came out strong saturday in support of herschel walker which he's done well. but also donald trump failed in his announcement. it just seems like a national dud. and if it would have been a success and talk of the town, i think that you would have seen herschel walker may have had a tougher time keeping it as close as it is. but another interesting statistic. 54-39 is independents in that same poll for warnock and i think this is a turnout game.
if we can get folks to turn out, and i've been critical throughout the whole process, i felt like herschel walker had a hard time getting my attention. just because he was famous wasn't enough to get my respect or my vote. >> so let's turn on your op head. you op-ed. you say first trump needs to stay home, don't come to georgia. also to ron desantis to be one of the surrogates on the trail but also to brian kimp the governor of georgia to come out and support. he's done that on saturday. but a 7 minute steven. he got off the stage. i don't know if there are any other announced appearances with the two of them. is one appearance enough or does governor kemp need to be out with herschel walker on a sustained basis? >> well, governor kemp did show up on saturday and i have all the respect in the world for governor kemp, so does millions of voters including those who
are left of center. he put leadership on display for four years and he deserved to continue to be called governor. i knew that it would be difficult if you broke them down. the juxtapose is, if you tell trump to stay away and you like ron desantis and like minded individuals to show up, that is what needed to happen. so i think two of the three calls probably were made. i'm not in the war room with those guys. it does feel like donald trump has stayed away although he did include in his speech when he announced that he was going to run for president, he included herschel walker and showing up for him. governor kemp has offered some of his support. but it doesn't feel like anybody from desantis' camp will be here for herschel walker. >> jeff duncan, thank you for your time. and we're following more news just in, prosecutors just unsealed charges against a man they say threatened to kill ale
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