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as you all know, protesting is a fundamental right, at least in this country. we might not all agree about how it is done, of course, and sometimes it can get out of hand or be hijacked. but it is everyone's right in this country. but that is not the case in so many other countries right now, like in china where thousands of people are risking their lives protesting the governments oppressive, zero covid policy in what may be the most wide spread demonstrations
against in 1989. people are chanting, we want freedom. many, very poignantly, are holding blank sheets of paper. their way of suddenly in protesting without being accused of writing or displaying messages deemed illegal by their own government. in iran, hundreds of people are killed amid the regime's brutal crackdowns with peaceful protesters. braver audience have been talking and taking to the streets for more than two months now, demanding freedom and women's rights in one of the most significant and consequential challenges since at least the 1979 revolution. what is all of what i just described have to do with the world cup? we are going to talk about it. i want to bring in cnn global affairs, -- chris sale is a, and sports analyst christine brennan. i'm glad that you are all here and looking at this, i have to say that when i first saw the
blank pieces of paper, for some reason that was so impactful and it really touched me thinking about the luxury that we take for granted, being able to address grievances and speak truth to power and to have this image of people holding it up as a silent and voiceless population. it meant something, what did you think of it? >> i am so glad that you brought that up, because i have been thinking about it all day. it is a brilliant symbol of protest, sadly, one that has become almost universal in our time. there was actually someone who is dragged away from red square by the authorities earlier this year, protesting russia's illegal invasion of ukraine. what was he doing? he was holding up a blank piece of paper. in hong kong, where there are thousands and thousands of people in the streets, right before the covid pandemic, the
same thing, the blank piece of paper. i feel like it has come a new universal gesture, and it speaks to this orwellian moment that we are living in, doesn't it? >> it really does. >> i am struck by it, and i'm thinking of it as it relates to iran and the world cup and the controversy over taking the symbol off of the flag in the social media post and what that is caused. >> the original flag, compared to what was actually changed by the u.s. soccer. >> i would recommend people a book that is not new, but it's really fitting for this moment, called how soccer explains the world, who is now at the atlantic. it is a fascinating book that talks about how soccer, and the dna of soccer we sort of pre figures what country they are. the germans play and orderly, industrious manner of soccer. the brazilians play a loose,
the beautiful game, that is where that originated. you cannot think of the images coming out of iran in china without thinking, for me, the iran u.s. game tomorrow. that is a lot more than just a game, i think that is part of the world cup and the appeal is that it is not just a game, it means more than that. >> christine, on that point, we can think back to 1988 when you had iran play the u.s. soccer team and there was this infamous moment where, obviously, nations with tension, and there is the handing over of white roses from the iranian soccer team to the american players as a moment of trying to bridge and give some tease. now where we are again, calls for the u.s. to be suspended, because of something that the players did not do. what do you make of that? >> this is in keeping, in my opinion, with what the u.s. soccer and the u.s. men's national soccer team has been doing ever since the world
began, which is much more than just soccer. these are young man, they are title ix males, they are the ones who few months ago actually gave up some money so that the women's team, obviously more famous and successful, could actually have some equal pay. these are very different young man, they are not like their dads or their grandfather and they are very comfortable talking about these issues well they play the game that they love. u.s. soccer, for example, has a rainfall shield. red white and blue is on the uniform, but the rainbow shield, in honor of course of lgbtq rights, a very big issue in qatar, the host nation, that is being displayed in the team hotel, team parties, and other things like that. so the men's national team have really, from the get-go, wanted this to been about more than just soccer. obviously now it is a big controversy, no one is kicking the united states out of the world cup.
fifa needs the united states and those tv ratings, but it does present an incredible tableau on which to play a soccer game, tomorrow. >> there is a fascinating piece, i think it was in the washington post, an opinion piece that because it is just more -- than just a game, the author was talking about how he was pro u.s. team, wanted the u.s. to win, but wanted iran to be able to stay in play because every time they were playing there was a conversation about what was going on in iran, about the protests, about young women, fighting for their very lives and fighting for the opportunity to even contemplate them as equal. so thinking about that dynamic at play. >> that is right, this is a platform, and because this is the world cup captivates so many people around the world, it is a stage that is irresistible for people who have a cause. it is so striking -- that they're centering images centering images coming out of
the world games, so that there are people in china's were literally locked down in the apartment blocks, now in the third year of this pandemic, would not see images of unmasked fans. again, the altering of reality to shape your authoritarian, political environment and can you use this moment. tomorrow i think that u.s. iran game will be something like that, i did notice that the u.s. chief of staff is on the record predicting that it will be a 41 outcome. chris is an expert on this, but that seems like a lot of goals. >> i will say, this is like my dream segment, right here. come on cnn and talk about soccer, i was like seriously? is this a prank? >> we even made the ted lasso biscuits for you. >> really? >> no. >> i think it is important to mention the sighting of where the world cup is happening, qatar, and its rights record.
christine touched on this, it's views on homosexuality. i think anytime we can have that conversation when the eyes of the world are on, it it is impactful and important. i do not think we should lose that, either, the setting of this whole thing matters and the setting of this whole thing is political. people say i want my sport, no politics, sorry, it's not how it works. >> the migrant workers actually built the stadium as well, loss of life, and going on, and i just want to underscore this point that was raised here, because it is not a light saying to think about what is happening, the protests in china, the idea of being so frustrated and are exhausted of this covid policy. there is a loss of life, apartment buildings caught on fire because of the lockdown provisions, the fire department could not get people in time to save their lives, and now you've got this international stage event and the idea that you are seeing -- hold on, we are being told one thing in china, but there is
this largely moscow's audience right now that they cannot reconcile. >> exactly, and go back nine months, and the olympics in china. i was in beijing for months and to see what beijing was able to pull all of it was of course, a covid zone that literally closed loop, the covid test every day down our throat, if you tested positive, journalist or athletes, a few athletes unfortunately did, he would go into quarantine somewhere and you did not even know where you were. so china was in the news then, of what you made a few moments ago, about the spotlight shining on these places, especially sporting events. these huge international sporting events. to the human rights issues in china, we brought them up all the time. there is the positive and negative, it is such a terrible thing that beijing was hosting another olympics, but the positive was at the world got a chance to discuss those issues. >> it is important to note that it tells you something about the way in which these
decisions are made by these international organizations. why is this event in qatar? the questions around the government of these international sports associations, why beijing, russia being given olympics again and again? >> and the world cup? >> exactly. >> it does not have to just do with money. >> but using it as a showcase for the -- house such a long established thing, and politics is embedded in this and unfortunately we have been given the stage and our athletes and our money and corporations have been participating and putting up these authoritarian countries. and we are shocked to discover that there are human rights abuses there. >> the next world cup will be the united states, mexico, and canada. the summer will be paris in 2024, and los angeles in 2028.
so at least there is a little hope. there >> that is good news, unfortunately, speaking of politics and the forum and the platform to do good, i do have some sad breaking news to report tonight. congressman donald mccutcheon of virginia has passed away at the age of just 61 after years long battle with cancer. that, -- he fought colorectal cancer since 2013. matt keechant was first -- of virginia in the u.s. house of november 8th, 2016, he is survived by his wife coal led and three adult children. we'll be right back. can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualilify. i went on theieir website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com
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criticizing former president trump for having dinner at mar-a-lago with nick fuentes, a white nationalist and holocaust denier. interesting given that a whole lot of members of the foreign presidents party have been reluctant over the last few years to call out many of his misdeeds and, here is a phrase for you, constant gaslighting. now that word that i just said, gaslighting, coincidently merriam-webster has chosen that word as its word of the year for 2022. defining it as, quote, the act or practice of grossly misleading someone, especially for one's own advantage. with me now is susan glasser, chris -- and karen finney, glad you are all here right now. first of all, i remember the gas lighting movie.
i mean i was not alive when the movie when the gaslighting movie came out. >> no one would think you are alive then. >> smart man. but i remember watching this movie and thinking about the promise, and of course when angela lansbury passed away, and remember thinking about her role in this. this idea, this being the top word, i had to go back because i had to say that, here it is, a scene from it, a part of me was surprised that this is the first time it has been the most used. i went back and found the other words of the year, just from a random year, 2016. and going up until 2022. you had surreal, salmon-ism 2017, justice, 2018, they in 2019, pandemic in 2020, vaccine 2021, and here we are gaslighting. i wonder from your examples, think about this, have you all thought about the big moments that you think, ha, this was
gaslighting. this was the moment that really captures it? smart man who said -- >> thank you so much laura the. i went with a really obvious one, but donald trump and the 2020 election. he continues, and i am on his email list, i do not know how i got on, it but i'm on his email list. repeatedly, every day, he sends things out still, as a candidate from the 2024 race, he sends things out about how the election was stolen. not just the 2020 election, now he's on to maricopa county in arizona. the thing that worries me about inherent gaslighting is that, if one person is saying it, okay. if one person believes it, not great, but okay. we are talking about 50 to 60% of the republican party that the 2020 election, by all measures, was stolen. that is a massive gaslight that donald trump is the foundation of his 2024 bid is being built
on that. so i went a little obvious, but to me, it is one that just jumped out. >> i think it is good one. one of the ones i thought was after charlottesville when he said good people on both sides and there are lots of people who tried to defend that position, and it does make you think, going to the less obvious, racism and sexism in general is a form of gaslighting. think about when you are watching a movie from the 70s talking about the women as the weaker sacks and emotional. we were gaslit to believe that about ourselves until we start to see, wait a second, i am not crazy. you are crazy. >> of course that point you raise, it is also about misleading for one's own advantage, so there is a benefit. those who want you to believe to keep them in power. susan, what is your thought? >> what is the distinction between gaslighting and plain old lying. i think when you talk about the 2020 election, chris, we went down to mar-a-lago to interview
donald trump for our recent book he sat there, he looked us in the eye, and i expected him to say a rigged election, which he did, but i was struck by this comment in particular as a example of gaslighting. he said, you know, the real insurrection of the capital was not on january six, it was on november 3rd 2020. that was an insurrection, and january 6th was just a protest. that to me is like taking the law about the election and putting a spin on it and saying no, actually, this other thing is the insurrection and the insurrection is not the insurrection. so i do have a bonus one, as well, because i was thinking about this. remember the 2018 midterm elections and what were the republicans and donald trump running on? they were running on the idea that the united states was being in faded by a caravan of hordes of illegal migrants who are going to storm into the country. do not believe the truth, believe what i tell you is the
truth. the caravans,, the coverage, the hysteria, disappeared literally the day after the election. >> quickly on that, i still remember, i think it was 2017 it might have been 2018, it all blends together for me in that period of time, donald trump gave a speech to the veterans of foreign wars to which he said, your quote maybe you think of it, something like, i am paraphrasing, but do not believe what you see, do not believe what you hear, only believe what i tell you. if you do not have a better example of gaslighting than that. literally, what you are seeing and hearing is not actually what is happening. the only i can tell you what is happening. >> obviously there are many who engage in gaslighting, which is why it is at the scale it is, but i was struck by the fact that there is a theme of trump, in part because i wonder if gaslighting has become affected because of the platform and the messenger? >> i think it is the idea not kill the messenger, but now it
is you add a level of gravitas and credibility because it is coming from the person we call the leader of the free world. >> he took it to a whole new art form, because if you think about it it was post-2016 that we are talking about gaslighting. talking about not just lying, but the fact that, yes he, was telling people what i'm going to tell you on my twitter feed is the real truth. remember, he would see that he would tweet something, but he would always say no that is the thing to watch for. so, he really took it to a whole new place. >> let me tell you, just in case you are curious, and of course you are, there are other top words of 2022. here they are. >> i have a favorite of. these >> oligarch is one, omicron, codify, lgbtq i a, 70 and, my favorite of this wet lowly. >> how did that make? it >> worrell.
i >> am a crossword puzzle guy and it did not even work or to me. they had bloke one day, and i was like okay. that is wonderful. but, -- what >> did you ever get it in one? >> no i didn't. >> that's dumb luck. for >> i'm surprised wordle wasn't -- >> i'm glad to know these words are here because it encourages me to think that people are following the news, and becoming a more informed electorate and that is the most important aspect of this. we talk, we joke around in how words matter, but they really, really do. i do not want to take it lightly, but we also think about words, you mentioned gaslighting versus lying. there is a story that is out right now that i think is just so heartbreaking because of
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san jose mexico with her six college friends. the next day she was dead. the cause of her death, a mystery. robinson's friend telling her family that she died of alcohol poisoning. the mexican prosecutor laying out a very different story. they say that robinson died of a spinal injuries sustained in a quote, direct attack. her death certificate also classifies her death as accidental or violent. knowing the approximate time between injury and death as just 15 minutes, and in recent weeks you may have seen a viral video appeared to show a physical altercation between robinson and another person. it is unclear when the video was taken and cnn is deliberately not showing the video as it is very disturbing. it only shows a portion, a small portion of what has happened. now mexican authorities are seeking to extradite one of robinson's friends on the trip. i even hate using the word
friends here given the things that we are saying right now, but the person who is called a friend is a suspect in the case. robinson's mother, solomon draw, spoke with cnn earlier today saying the fbi has reached out to the family but is not been able to share very many details. she also described her final conversation with her beloved daughter. >> when i spoke with her she seemed pretty happy, you know she was laughing and talking that she was ready to cook up some tacos. i said, well okay, enjoy yourself, love you, i will talk to you tomorrow. and i never spoke with her again. >> it is heartbreaking to hear that. for more i want to hear -- bring in cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccain. andrew i'm glad you're here. this story is so disturbing, what has happened to this young woman. i have seen this viral video, i
am a mother myself, and i just cannot imagine what that would have been like in that room, let alone for her family to hear about what may have happened. when we hear about who might be held responsible, my immediate thought goes to extradition and how that works. can you help elaborate on what that would look like. a u.s. citizen being extradited to mexico, is it possible? >> it is possible and i would say even likely under this scenario. so let's remember that any nation would conduct their own investigation, as the mexican authorities have done here. they have an indictment, unfortunately that indictment only allows them to arrest people inside mexico. they believe that the person they are seeking is in the united states, so they make an extradition request to the united states. we have an extradition treaty in place with mexico, that allows the exchange of citizens to face criminal prosecution. there are some things that they will have to prove, or assert in their application.
they will have to show that this person is to be extradited to face a crime that is also a serious crime in the united states. it is not a political persecution of some sort. they are also going to have to put a lot of facts in that request to make a pre case that they have a good likelihood of proving the case against this person. under that circumstances, i think extradition might very well happen in this case. >> we have done this before, cases involving drug arrests -- this is a common practice in terms of being able to extradite. the fact that these might be to u.s. citizens, is there a federal law involved? we are talking about a u.s. citizen committing a crime against another u.s. citizens abroad? >> there is -- it is a federal statute that makes it a crime for a u.s. person to kill another u.s. person in a foreign location. but the trick is that murder is
only prosecuted at the federal level. one that murder is can myth it in conjunction with a another federal crime. so typically the united states does not step in and prosecute someone for committing murder overseas if it is just a simple homicide. in fact, they will not prosecute in the united states if the foreign government has shown an inclination or a willingness to prosecute it locally, which we can assume is happened here because of course they have filed an extradition request. >> could the u.s. be a bit of a -- a federal prosecution usually acts. that the foreign government may fail in their prosecution for whatever reason, we have double jeopardy here where you cannot have to bite of the proverbial apple and charge twice for the same crime if there is been a failure to convict or otherwise. but i wonder, in the sense of two different countries. if mexico says, you know what,
we will not prosecute. is it likely that the u.s. will say never mind, if they have a federal hook? >> i think it is possible that that could happen. you are describing the possibility of a u.s. and prosecution as a backstop is a good way to describe it. extradition requests are unavoidably political, so we typically file x tradition requests. we've been successful in getting high-level criminals return to the united states for drug cartel leaders, striking him things, things like that. now the tables have turned and the mexicans have made that request of us. i think to some degree, politically, we are in a tight spot here. we are going to have to stand up and deliver on our side of the extradition treaty bargain. however, it's that prosecutions fails in mexico, double jeopardy would likely not prohibit the u.s. from going forward with her own prosecution here because of the concept of a separate sovereign. that is always the same idea
that allows the federal government to prosecute a crime in the united states after a state government as prosecuted the same crime. so it is a separate sovereign that it is not permitted. >> the right person to talk about this, really unfortunate tragedy and i'm course you've been looking ahead at the role of this video, the evidence that has been contained in, it who sought, scented, who failed to intervene. who might be accessories after the fact. >> how much everett is embedded in that video. it is going to show who owned the device that it was taken, on time, place, location, all of that information is embedded in the digital file. that thing is a forensic gold mine. >> i will tell you, so is your book. it is called the threat, it is a really great one. just the idea of your expertise now being able to be read as well, i appreciate it so much. thank you. we'll be right back everyone. when i first brought her home, she was eating little brown pieces in a bag and it was just what kind of came recommendeded.
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that down. keep that cash, see what happens. >> too late. it was a good deal, but that is okay. but it seems that many americans are not listening because this black friday, it's broke records. amid rampant inflation and looming recession. chopra spent more than nine billion dollars on online black friday sales. that is a 2.3 increase from the year before. driving the surge? electronics, smart home equipment, toys, and this was in the exercise gear but maybe other people bought. that back with me now is susan glasser, grist to souza, and karen finney. you all of, but i cannot help it. i was with you for a very long time, i was really there, but i wonder first of all, are you surprised at all about the amount that people are spending? we have gotten so many warnings about our economy, what do you think? >> remember black friday started on like, tuesday night
of last week. instead of being a 48-hour cycle, it was like five days. last night i was online, in anticipation of cyber monday, and it was saying black friday and in ten hours. i thought, okay, i am good. there is gonna be a deal here one way or another. >> it is like an election day, it is election. week >> it is a season. >> what were you buying? >> i was trying to decide if i want to buy a new bed and i was trying to see if there are deals. then you go down a rabbit hole where you start thinking if i get this, i'm going to need that, and then what else is on sale. anyway, i am not surprised at the amount is so large given we are talking about four or five days. i think that makes it a lot more sense, and it means that the marketing tactic works. >> i saw a story on cnn.com today that said, the 518 best
cyber monday deals. i was like -- by the time we get through the list of 518 best it will not be cyber monday anymore. i think there is an element of spending, and everyone getting their christmas lights up. i shouldn't say everyone, everyone in my neighborhood because it except for me because -- there is a desire for people to get back to the quote unquote normal. that 2019, 2020 was effectively lost. we are right in the teeth of the pandemic. 2021 we forget, but it was all macron, and everyone, i'm speaking metaphorically, but lots of people had. i think it's 2022 and people are ready to have a big celebration again. even to the extent of continuing that old tradition of spending too much money and having to pay your credit card back for the year because you spend your money. i think there is an element of
that. i was a new york city for thanksgiving and i will tell you that the amount of money moving through that fao schwarz i was in, right in rockefeller center, it was stunning. stunning to me how much. so i think people are in the mood to get back to normal spending this black friday week is part of that. >> so that was you in the viral video, doing the keyboard on the floor with tom hanks? >> just for the record, there is a line to do that. to do the big thing. >> and you are in? it >> my ten year old wanted to do it and he got on there and did the gritty, you know the dance? he did the gritty on there, and people were applauding. i was like, this is great, he is going to be a showman, he's gonna be a circus performer. but yes, we did do that. >> susan, did you do the gritty to? >> i have waited on that line before. you know, i have to say this segment is making me a little anxious because i'm a
procrastinator as many journalists are. instead of doing my last minute shopping on black monday, here i am having a conversation about it. i could be on my phone right now buying stuff right now. >> one thing is, i'm not convinced. we will see how the number shakes out. there is the element of consumers adjusting their behavior at the moment when people are anxious about inflation and rising prices. if they're seeking deals, they may be shifting more of this spending to this weeklong period on the theory that regular items that they were contemplating purchasing, do it now and there is a sale. >> i will say that there is a trend in how people are talking about buy now pay later programs as well. they're buying more gift cards as well, trying to have a fixed budget as to how they're going to allocate their resources. i am surprised that jeff bezos -- i wonder we have been giving all of our money to him. >> that is how you know you are richer than you need to be.
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me to discuss right now. i mean, this washington post headline that had this piece talking about the very issue. and here's what vandalized. on average, republicans gained 8000 followers and democrats lost 4000. they'll scandalize data from republicans represent too, which track congressional twitter activity. as exempt that elizabeth warren adam shift in bernie sanders and they all lost about 100,000 twitter followers. recently, enough marty to the green, jim jordan, congressperson we from ohio and georgia respectively, they gain more than 300,000 each. does that surprise you? >> not really. i think two things are happening. one, conservatives are flocking back to their belief that he won musk is more aligned with their views. and i would say elon musk would likely support from desantis, the governor of florida for president. so, at the same time. a lot of democrats who are unhappy with how musk is
running this, i don't have to his politics, or abandoning the site. you're getting both things happening at the same time. i think the wmd that adds up. >> given that erratic behavior. i've seen lots opposed to people saying, here's where you can finally when twitter crashes and burns. when it ends. so i do think that is the other thing is that people are decreasing their usage and the other thing that's happening which i think we have to take into consideration given that we don't have the guardrails and they've been taken off twitter. as you said, more publican flock to twitter in the kinds of people who might have, if you don't hate speech. but might been classified as hate speech were out of bounds. previously, is now okay. so got more people joining and those are folks that are going to want to hear when marjorie taylor greene has to say. and when if you guys have decrease or usage, as result what's happening. have you spot any change?
>> i think they're such a concern that any moment this thing will become perilous. you fired all the staff, like nobody knows if there is a major technical challenge, what is going to happen to this platform. and -- >> or security data. absolutely, put it was a polluted public space before, it is now become more polluted. but i'm thinking about, you know, it's important and utility as a part of our public political discourse. and it is the classic thing like if it didn't exist we'd have to invented and i know there are various attempts to do that and there's a new start-up post or using, upping that willis of like 150,000 people. if people talking about this other platform, mastodon, but that's too complicated. the promise is that it has become many things but one of the things that twitter is, is a very in valuable tool for the spreading of realtime information. i'm thinking about following
the war in ukraine, and all the people who are posting there. it is invaluable to see what is happening in realtime. protesters in iran are bypassing and using vpn's, in order to get on twitter, and there's a community sites and get the message out. >> exactly. this is, i, think the thing that is at risk by what appears to be this vanity exercise on the part of any wealthy man with a twitter habit. as susan was talking about then that this is sort of how i feel. you can't live with it, you can without it. in some way. that is so the relationship i feel like i have with it. the toxicity and elon musk didn't invent box this pant where. it is been there. i think he's given more leeway for it to grow. but, the thing that i was think enough and how my usage have change is that a more wary of everything that's out there. because of the questions about
verification, it just seems, as a journalist, is this actually fill in the blank congressman who was released a statement? is actually mitt romney has released a statement. or is it something that looks a lot like mitt romney? it is made me even more wary of is this information good? and susan's point you do use in the bowman information source. it does take away from that a little bit. >> bye-bye sovereign. guess, what this conversation that can be over. i think will continue in the days to come. thank you for watching our coverage continues. so aaron's folks could help hook him up with a new ride. we'll drive you happy at carvana.
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