tv CNN Newsroom With Ana Cabrera CNN November 29, 2022 10:00am-11:00am PST
hello and thank you for joins us. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin with a human rights fight. a geopolitical standoff and a battle to stay in the world cup. it's all on the line today in qatar when the u.s. and iran face off in a decisive match. for both teams it's as simple as this, win and you're in. you make it to the round of 16 but beyond the pitch, the stakes are even higher for iran's
players, do or die may not be hyperbole. a wave of human rights protests is sweeping that country as the iranian regime continues its brutal crackdown. we are covering this from all angles. don riddell is at the world cup in doha. jomana karadsheh is tracking developments and sports analyst christine brennan. don, sometimes a game is more than just a game. this feels like one of those moments. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely right, ana. yes, so many swirling narratives and it feels as though they've all collided here on this night in qatar. a huge crowd here expected for the game that's going to be kicking off in just under an hour's time. many of them already inside the stadium and the atmosphere outside is intense and not in the way that i would usually experience at a soccer match where it's one set of supporters against the other. it's the factions within the
iranian crowd that is so fascinating and really speaks to the pressures that these people are under. for example, i'm sure you heard about the situation with the iranian flag. this is the official iranian flag with the emblem of the islam inrepublic on it and this was the emblem that the united states soccer federation controversially removed briefly during one of their social media posts which enraged the iranian government and they did that because they said they were supporting the protesters and the demonstrators and in particular the women in iran so that kicked off a whole storm of controversy. so you have some of the fans here with the official flag. you have other fans who have different flags and it's very clear what side of the fence they are, cnn has tried to speak with some of them here. i've tried to. a lot of them wanted to talk privately but not on camera but i did find one supporter who was very articulately able to express quite how he feels about this occasion. he's traveled all the way here
from london and what he said is quite extraordinary. >> i have mixed emotion and feeling. first of all, i am passionate supporter of iran but today unfortunately i can't be supporting because of the current situation going on and the government trying to hijack the game and using it as a platform to show that everything is normal, what's going on in iran, nothing happened. everybody happy. they have a daily life, fun, nothing. but unfortunately it's not true. right now in a lot of kurdish cities, there's blood shed and there are a lot of killing women and children and at the same time government as i say using football as a platform for political agenda, political gains. >> reporter: ana, imagine that. he's come all the way to the world cup. he's a proud iranian football supporter and tonight he is cheering for his team to lose. he also told me he doesn't feel
safe in this crowd. he wouldn't gimp me his last name and during our interview, other iranian fans were filming our interview and he felt very threatened and intimidated by that. he said that was proof that pro-regime elements are in the crowd keeping a close eye on what the demonstrators and the protesters are saying all the way here in qatar. >> now, we were reporting just yesterday that officials from iran had been sent to surveil the players, to monitor what people were saying and doing. jomana, this has put a spotlight on the lengths the iranian regime is going to to stamp out dissent including threatening the current team and their families and now we have reporting that there's an iranian soccer legend who says he's getting death threats. fill us in. >> reporter: well, ana, we are hearing from ali who is an iranian soccer legend, popular figure amongst iranians and
doesn't usually give interviews, but he's just spoken out since these protests began. he has shown his support for the protesters in his country and spoken out in solidarity with them and we've seen the government's reaction, they've actually listed him amongst a group of celebrities and high-profile figures in iran who they accuse of encouraging the rioters, how they describe the protesters, we saw that early on. now we're hearing from ali saying there are death threats against him, that the regime has tried to lure him back to the country. in dubai where, you know, they were trying to lure him back to iran where he would face charges that could possibly carry the death penalty, harmonizing with the enemy and encouraging the riots. he says he really didn't feel safe in dubai, that he had to take his family and go now to an undisclosed location. really disturbing, ana, but not
surprising, iranians would tell think is exactly what they have been facing for decades now. this is exactly how the regime operates. it has targeted and gone after dissidents, critics, even journalists outside the country. we've seen that here in turkey where plots have been uncovered as well as the united states, so iranians would tell you the threat from the islamic republic goes far beyond its borders. >> christine, the players are obviously aware of all these outside factors, the stick to sports concept is thrown out the window at this point but how do these players stay focused on the game in the face of all this added pressure? >> i don't think it's going to be difficult for them to do that at all because the stakes are so high on the field of play as, of course, they are off as well. so for the next couple of hours once this match kicks off at 2:00 eastern, they will be focused on soccer. that's what they're here to do.
one of these teams will advance most likely the other will not and if the united states wins they advance, if iran wins they advance so i think -- especially for the u.s. team, this is a group of title ix males. these are young men raised in a different world than their fathers and grandfathers. these are the young men, the u.s. men's national team who actually agreed to give up some of their earnings and their money so that the u.s. women would be able to have equal pay. that happened a few months ago. this is an extraordinary group of young men and have spoken out and feel comfortable speaking out on these issues just as the u.s. women's national team did, megan rapinoe and others. i think they will focus on the field of play and what they need to do and the united states needs to score goals. they're a young team with a lot of promise and iran wants to move on and one could make the case if iran does move on then the spotlight will stay on these issues which would not be a bad
thing even, of course, as i'm sure many people watching us would love to see the united states team, of course, move on. >> yeah, both teams have such stories obviously behind them and reasons to root for them. jomana, inside iran i wonder who gets the credit or the blame for today's outcome. if iran wins does the protest poffment claim it as their own victory. does the regime weaponize a loss? >> reporter: well, i mean we just have to look back, ana, at what happened after their win against wales. the regime claimed this as a victory. we saw these surreal scenes of celebrations out on the streets of tehran where you had members of the security forces and a paramilitary force accused of horrific human rights violations, accused of killing hundreds of people during this ongoing crackdown right now who are out on the streets celebrating handing out candy so definitely the regime has been trying to use this sort of
victory that it really needs because right now they are under so much pressure facing what is one of the biggest challenges, the islamic republic has faced since its creation back in 1979 so they most certainly will try to use this as a moment to really for propaganda, the optics especially if they manage to defeat the united states. as you heard from don earlier speak, i heard from so many iranians, they're so torn. they want to support their own national team and have had so much -- i mean it's a sense of pride for iranians for a long, long time but people just can't support a team right now that represents the regime as many people especially outside iran feel. >> christine, this is an event that happens only every four years, but in so many ways it feels like the soccer or the football has really taken a
backseat to the human rights issues as the main focus of this world cup, whether it's what's happening with the iran players and what's happening with them back home or, you know, the whole premise of qatar being awarded the world cup, does it surprise you that the human rights issue has taken center stage? >> not at all, ana, not at all. when fifa made the decision to give qatar the men's world cup in 2010, 12 years ago, we knew this would be where we would be at this point in terms of the issues in that country, the migrant workers, the deaths of them. now we're hearing hundreds of them died which human rights group told us in the past. the lgbtq rights and lack thereof in qatar, the other issues that came up and money under the table allegations and in some cases proof of that so that's the issue and fifa has no one to blame but themselves for
making this decision and having this story line basically get away from them. again, i would say you and i have talked a lot about sports as a conduit for bigger further conversation taking us to major international and national conversations that we should have. here we are again and so i think it's actually a good thing. i know there's a lot of people who want to say, stick to sports. as you said, that went out the window as soon as qatar was picked then throw in the issues with iran and the u.s., i believe, admirably speaking out and talking about these issues as other countries have, the european nations trying to wear the armband, one love, in support for lgbtq rights and issues and, of course, then being rebuffed on that so by fifa. on and on it goes. you almost can't believe it's just been a week and a half but here we are, that's exactly where we should be playing soccer and much, much bigger players on the world stage in a very important conversation. >> no kidding.
such an important conversation and an important time in this moment in history. don, real quick, in one word, sum it up. what's the atmosphere like right now? >> reporter: intense, i can't wait to get inside and see what happens. i think there's going to be a lot to watch before the game kicks off, during, on the field, in the crowd and i really have no idea what's going to happen but it's going to be very, very newsworthy whatever it is, ana. >> and a lot of other news to cover before that kickoff, don riddell, thank you. thank you, christine brennan and jomana karadsheh. back at home president biden says he's confident a rail strike that would cripple the economy will be averted. but a deal isn't done just yet. right now there's still a dispute over a tentative agreement reached back in september, some rail unions are asking for more so now president biden is calling on congress to essentially force a deal through because without action experts say a strike could cost the u.s. a billion dollars in just the first week alone.
we have cnn's matt egan standing by, first to phil mattingly at the white house. phil, this is tricky for president biden because he is the pro-union president and enforcing this deal appears to undermine the union's negotiating power. >> reporter: yeah, not just a pro-union president but the president himself calls himself the most pro-union president in the history of the country and it's something that white house officials tried to really point to as they reach that tentative agreement really driven by labor secretary mar think walsh himself a former union member but the reality remains that a tentative agreement is not a final agreement. they needed the rank and file of the unions to support that, all 12 of them to do so. 4 of those 12 rejected that. in part, it's because of the contours of that agreement. the agreement, white house officials make very clear, has some clear positives, immediate 14% pay increase, up to 24% by the year 2024 as well. a thousand dollar bonus but the primary sticking points remain,
those related rarely to the structure of how the railways schedule many of the union members, sick leave is really the number one issue you hear about over and over again, staffing issues, quality of life issues, those are issues that the unions who rejected this tentative agreement have continued to raise as problematic. that has left the white house in the position of looking at those downside risks and looking at the potential calamity of strikes and saying it's time to pull the trigger on the mechanism they still had available to them and that is having congress move forward. now, just a few hours ago the top four congressional leaders met with president biden, ana and all four said they are ready to move forward on the it but understand that the risks here far outweigh any other options and it looks like congress is going to move forward on the president's request. >> matt, the economic implications are huge. walk us through what could happen. >> well, ana, a rail strike is one of the most disruptive and expensive things that can happen
to an economy, just how expensive? anderson economic group pegs it at a become dollars just the first week alone. the problem is that rails really are at the fulcrum end of the supply chain. trains make this economy go. without them you'd be causing a lot of chaos. there would be widespread impact from the delivery of gasoline, coal, oil. the delivery of car, all this would be impacted. agriculture, so you see an impact to food prices potentially supply issues there, commuting too. a lot of the trains that amtrak uses they actually run on railroads that are owned by freight railroads so you would see a huge impact, i think, all of this is why we've seen even pro-union and president biden come in and step in and ask congress to intervene here. >> matt, paid sick leave has been a big sticking point here. can you help put what they're asking for in a better context for us. >> well, paid medical leave has
become increasingly popular in this economy. almost eight in ten workers actually get it. there's an as terrific because that varies, part-time workers and low income, it varies and by occupation. that's one sticking point. we should note the united states does not have a law here. employers are not required to give their employees paid leave. the united states is actually only one of six nations around the world that does not have a national paid leave policy. just one of six and i think that covid and this battle between workers in the railroads and railroad companies shines a spotlight on that issue. >> thank you so much. for now the holiday shopping season is roaring along at a record clip. american shoppers shell ed out n all-time high, $11 billion on cyber monday in that one day. adobe analytics says it's a 6% jump over last year and comes on
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one week after former president trump's sit-down dinner with well knife known white supremacist nick fuentes house minority leader kevin mccarthy is now weighing in. >> look, the president could have meetings with who he wants. i don't think anybody should have a meeting with nick fuentes and his views are nowhere within the republican party or within this country itself. >> mccarthy joins a growing number of republicans expressing similar sentiments including trump's former vice president. >> president trump was wrong to give a white nationalist, an anti-semite and a holocaust denier a seat at the table. and i think he should apologize for it and he should denounce those individuals and their hateful rhetoric without qualification. >> he should make better choices
obviously. >> he should condemn those kind of things that anybody would stand for, no matter who they are. >> others include senator marco rubio who off camera told cnn he hopes trump will condemn fuentes. rubio calls fuentes evil. i want to be careful not to spread his hate but the context is important here to really understand who this person is. fuentes has denied 6 million jews were murdered in the holocaust and invoked fears of white genocide and calls for a total aryan victory and used racial slurs against black people and homosexuals. he said women are inferior and shouldn't be able to vote. he's also said women should get married as teenagers, wear veils in church and not have jobs. that's just some of what he has espoused. manu raju jeans us now. it's been a week and mccarthy is just now saying this? is there still a reluctance to buck the former president. >> reporter: no question about
it. the only reason we are hearing concern and some criticism from republican members is that they are now back in session. they were on recess last week when this all broke and this all happened as a meeting that happened at mar-a-lago. virtually none said anything publicly criticizing him but when they came back to the capitol they were asked by reporters like me about the former president's meeting and a lot either criticized donald trump's meeting or criticized nick fuentes himself without going as far as criticizing donald trump and some even tried to equate what donald trump did -- has done with some actions of some democrats as they try to point the finger on others, not the former president. listen. >> you know, i think it's disgusting to invite people like that to meet with a former president of the united states. i think there's -- it's clear there is no bottom to the degree to which president trump will degrade himself and the nation. >> well, certainly i condemn any
type of anti-semitism. there is no room in this world for it. i think if you're going to condemn one former president you should condemn this president at the same time. >> reporter: contending that joe biden's views about israel were somehow comparable to donald trump's meeting with the holocaust denier at mar-a-lago but some are trying to point the finger elsewhere. we'll see what republican leader mitch mcconnell says when he talks to reporters for the first time since this broke later today. yesterday when he was asked about this, he said he would wait till today to address these questions. we'll see if he does not shy away from this as well. >> the right answer is so clear in this case. do you think mccarthy's delay in condemning this has anything to do with him wanting to become speaker? >> reporter: no question that kevin mccarthy needs donald trump's support in order to win the backing of some key members of the house republican conference, some of those who align very closely with donald
trump. some of those members themselves threatening to vote against kevin mccarthy on the floor where he has very little margin for error. if they do have 222 seats which it looks like they will likely to have he cannot lose more than four votes on the house floor and if he gets fewer than 218 votes that would go to another balance and another balance and another ballot until they get a majority of the house to vote for the next speaker. now, mccarthy today indicated that he is planning to take this to the floor no matter how many votes he has heading into january 3rd and trying to force those who are threatening to vote against him to actually cast that vote on the floor so there could be a major showdown as we head into the new congress early next year. >> okay, manu raju, thank you so much. now to rare bipartisanship on the hill. today the senate is expected to vote and pass the respect for marriage act. it will codify federal protections for same-sex marriages and interracial marriages. lawmakers pushed this bill over fears that marriage rights could
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we're tracking dangerous weather making its way across the country. severe storms including hail and tornadoes are threatening more than 40 million people from texas to georgia. meteorologist tom sater is tracking it all for us. fill us in on the who, what, where and when. >> who, it's going to be the citizens of the lower mississippi valley looking at where, of course, in this region, what are long track tornadoes? damaging winds and when? right now. it's a very dynamic system. we have winter warnings out to the west. the power behind the system. severe storms this afternoon into the overnight hours.
jackson, mississippi, the sun sets at 5:00 p.m. central time so it will be dark by 6:00 and could see ef-3 tornados are along or stronger, long track between 4 and 10:00 p.m. and this is going to continue as i mentioned after dark. notice the temperatures, how cold they are. this cold air powering the system is going to last for some time. as that low moves into the region already now we're seeing a threat. notice the tornado watch for louisiana and mississippi. it's not just a tornado watch. it's called a pds, particularly dangerous situation. that's a much greater threat. we're already seeing some warnings, severe thunderstorm warning in alabama but we already have tornadoes and the poblgd of one touching down in prine prairie. the national weather service out of lake charles, louisiana, is getting active. i want to remind everybody this is a level 4 out of 5 and the threat here, rare to have one in november, first in november history to have two events like this on november 4th we had a situation where a level 4 out of
5, 62 reported tornadoes. we had multiple fatalities, parts of texas, oklahoma and arkansas. this is going to be mainly louisiana and mississippi. it'll stretch northward into the tennessee valley and see tornadoes possibly at parts of arkansas into tennessee, maybe reaching farther but it's not just tornadoes, it's damaging winds. 65, 75-mile-per-hour gusts, ana so that could cause a lot of problems. please keep your cell phones with you notices and alerts turned on. a couple tornado warnings. you have to seek shelter but some could be what we call tornado emergencies. large, long-track tornadoes, a very rare event for november and already it's the second one for this month so, again, please be prepared. it's going to be extremely busy in the south today. >> a scary situation. we know you're tracking it all. thank you. incredible pictures out of hawaii where the world's largest active volcano has woken up. this video is just from earlier today from a helicopter flying
over mauna loa. you can see those massive lava flows. check out how it looks at night. the orange know so surreal. so far this eruption isn't threatening they hopes or nearby buildings as far as the lava goes but officials warn that could change and have told people to be ready to evacuate if needed. the world's richest man versus the world's most valuable company. elon musk claims apple threatened to yank twitter from the app store. now, if that were to happen it would be a huge blow to the social media company but that prospect apparently hasn't caused musk to pump the brakes on any other controversial changes to twitter. his latest move is scrapping the site's covid misinformation policy. at the conference where the head of trust and safety will discuss democracy in the digital age. what is musk saying exactly about apple and has apple
responded? >> hey, ana, no, apple has not responded to this. it's been a no comment so far from them but what is potentially happening here is that apple has a kind of vetting process for its app store. most of the time that has to do with making sure there's not viruses or spyware but in the past put restrictions on apps for having too much hate speech or covid misinformation so there's a possibility here that what is what musk could be alluding to but we're not hearing from apple on this at all at the moment. they're staying quiet. >> let's talk about the moves musk is making. what is the reaction now to twitter rescinding it's covid misinformation policy? >> reporter: yes, so i mean really one of the policies which could end up possibly getting twitter removed from the app store for at least the time
being is we learned overnight that twitter has stopped implementing its covid misinformation policy so since 2020, twitter had a covid mitt romney information policy which prohibited certain types of misinformation that they call dangerous information about the virus and about the vaccine. that has been lifted. now, as part of that rule, 11,000 accounts were suspended or banned from twitter for sharing covid misinformation as twitter determined. it's possible that a lot of those accounts will be coming back online. we have heard musk say he wants to lift most of the bans on accounts. finally, ana, as you mentioned, we're about to hear in a few hours' time on the stage behind me here in florida from the head of site integrity at twitter whose job was to implement a lot of these policies that musk has ripped up.
yule was working with musk for a few weeks at the company but quit about two weeks ago. seemingly not able to work with musk anymore. we'll find out more tonight. >> i'll be curious to hear what he says. donie o'sullivan, thank. is it an apology tour or publicity tour? will smith has a new movie out but he is expressing irs regret explaining his rage and describing what drove him to slap chris rock at the oscars. >> that was a horrific night as you can imagine. you know, there's many nuances and complexities to it, you know. but at the end of the day i just -- i lost it. >> cnn entertainment reporter chloe is with us now. he can't put it to bed.
he has a new movie coming out. >> nor should he. there are still so many questions left unanswered, ana and although this is his first late night show appearance, you know, since the infamous oscar slap, we still don't have much more information and we still have never heard from chris rock who has not responded to cnn's request for comments. here's more of what will smith told trevor noah last night. >> it was a lot of things. it was the little boy that watched his father beat up his mother, you know. it's, you know, all of that just bubbled up in that moment, you know. i just -- that's not who i want to be. >> right. >> you've known me for a long time so you know me personally so you know, but, you know, y'all might not know. [ laughter ] >> so he says that that's not who he wants to be nor what he wants his legacy to be remembered for, ana but still doesn't explain exactly why,
what caused him to rush the stage and was it really just what chris rock said about jada. was it years and so his marriage being made fun of, something that trevor noah brought up last night. we don't have answers. i think at some point he's being tight-lipped and i imagine there will be a big sit-down at some point but like you said in your intro, there is a movie to promote, okay, "emancipation" comes out next week on apple, a massive movie getting a lot of award show buzz but will smith although eligible 0 win an oscar couldn't go to the oscars to accept it or attend the ceremony if he's nominated. >> feels like he's 4holding bac and having a tough time answering those, thanks, chloe melas.
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now to the fierce crackdown happening in china. authorities are looking to smother the wave of protesters over china's zero covid measures. the display of defiance is rare in china. people don't often speak out against the government for fear of what will happen to them. cnn's senior international correspondent ivan watson is in hong kong. ivan, how is the chinese government responding to the unrest? >> reporter: ana, we're starting here the first real response from the chinese government at how it views the protests that erupted in more than a dozen cities across the country over the weekend. the powerful central political and legal affairs commission of china called on authorities to, quote, resolutely strike hard against infiltration and sabotage activities by hostile forces as well as criminal activities that destabilize social order. it looks like there is very little room for compromise or tolerance of any kind of
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she didn't even know she was missing until family members reached out to her. cnn ed lavandera joins us now. how did this come about? >> reporter: can you imagine what this family is going through? so in august of 1971, melissa highsmith is taken by a woman who had been hired by her mother as a baby-sitter. they came by the apartment where she was living in, in fort worth, texas, took her away and she never came back. the mother did everything she could to get her child back, but it never happened. for 51 years, they have been looking for melissa highsmith. turns out melissa highsmith was living with another family in the same fort worth area all of this time and it wasn't until a few weeks ago that the parents of melissa highsmith submitted their dna through 23andme and came back with a match for family members to melissa
highsmiths own children. they connected through this and all of this started happening. the emotion this family is feeling is wbeyond words and measure as they try to figure out their own emotions through all of this. they've talked quite a bit since these reunions that happened in >> it is overwhelming but at the same time the most wonderful feeling in the world. >> just -- couldn't believe it. i thought i was never see her again. >> they said, dad, she's alive. and i started crying. >> reporter: melissa highsmith was 22 months old when kidnapped by an eighthed baby-sitter and now is 53 years old. >> to be her parents. sentiments really, really touch the heart. ed, what about the family who
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