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reporting that they were actually threatened after not singing their national anthem at an earlier match. >> yeah. i mean, the iranian team have been dealing with an awful lot. do they support the demonstrators back home, are they pro-regime? they've really been put in an impossible position. one of their former teammates was arrested the other day for spreading propaganda. we understand he was released on the eve of this game. but you cannot imagine what these guys have been going through. a lot of the iranian players are based overseas so they're not all going back home. but they, i imagine, would've been rattled with the threat against their families. >> we see them singing today but maybe not with enthusiasm. don, thank you. i'm brianna keilar in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. ♪ ♪ "outfront" next, we have breaking news. the leader of the far-right group, the oath keepers has been convicted of seditious
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conspiracy. a major win for the justice department tonight. also breaking this hour, trump's former senior adviser and speech writer steven miller testified today before a federal grand jury in the january 6th investigation. that brand-new reporting is next. and china now going to extreme lengths to silence and punish protesters seizing phones and leveling a new warning. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett. the leader of the far-right extremist group the oath keepers and one of his top lieutenants have been both found guilty of seditious conspiracy. it's the most serious charge brought so far in any of the cases involving the january 6th attack. and it's for their role in a plot to prevent president biden from taking office, all coming to a head on january 6th. it is a major win for the u.s. justice department, which accused oath keepers' founder stewart rhodes and associate kelly meggs of plotting to use
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force to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. they each face up to 20 years in prison. now, three other oath keepers who were also on trial were found not guilty of seditious conspiracy. but all five were also convicted of obstructing the peaceful transfer of power. the split verdicts coming after nearly a two-month trial, a trial in which the defendants claimed they were fighting on behalf of then president trump. here's stewart rhodes from december 2020. >> if he does not do it now, while he is commander in chief, we are going to have to do it later in a much more desperate, much more bloody war. let's get it on now while he is still the commander in chief. >> that was then, and here we are now. we know that rhodes was at the capitol on january 6th. and he said he did not enter. but was in touch with some of trump's associates including roger stone, stop the steal
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organizer ali alexander, and former national security aide michael flynn. what more can you tell us about this verdict? >> reporter: well, this verdict, as you mentioned, is the major headline here. it is so significant for the department of justice because it is so rarely charged. and then, further, because, kate, there are two more seditious conspiracy trials to go. so doj really looking to this boost to carry them through these next months of seditious conspiracy trials. stewart rhodes' conviction is so significant for a list of reasons. but the most important thing here, kate, is that the department of justice had been trying to bring forth this case against him, that he was the architect of a plot that spanned many weeks and culminated on january 6th, and the plot was to use force to overturn the results of the 2020 election. rhodes never went into the building. but what the doj presented were volumes and volumes of rhodes' own words prior to january 6th
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and even afterward that they said proved that there was a specific plan to, again, overturn the results of the election by force. here is just a quote from things he had said after january 6th after the riot. if he's not going to do the right thing, and he being former president trump, and he's just going to let himself be removed illegally, then we should have brought rifles, we could have fixed it right then and there. i'd hang effing pelosi from the lamp post. that is just a snippet of volumes and volumes of things that rhodes said that were then used against him in court. the message here is that words matter that, words equated to actions here, that there was a plot, and the jury buying that narrative from doj and sealing the deal for this seditious conspiracy charge against him. his attorneys say they do plan to appeal, but agree that they got a fair trial. back to you. >> whitney, thank you so much. i want to go now to justice correspondent katelyn polantz on some more breaking news this evening.
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steven miller, trump's white house senior adviser and speech writer testified today before a federal grand jury in the january 6th investigation, he is now the first known witness to testify since the justice department appointed special counsel. you broke this story. tell us more. >> steven miller has always been a very important and close adviser to donald trump in the white house. at the end of the presidency, after the election, and up to and including on january 6th, he was his speech writer. and so what miller would be able to talk to the grand jury about, what we know he's already talked to the separate house investigation about is how trump's speech came about on january 6th to his supporters, the crowd that eventually rioted at the capitol chanting "hang mike pence." and one of the things that we know from public reporting from the house select committee previously is that miller talked to trump about what he was going to say about pence, it appears
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they had a phone call, and then after that phone call the morning of january 6th, donald trump did want to put lines in his speech about mike pence, with how they needed pence to block the election result. so this is the first person that we have identified who went into the grand jury after the appointment of special counsel jack smith. it clearly is showing us the criminal investigation in the federal court system is really moving along at quite a clip and really focusing around donald trump and what was happening, what he was saying inside the white house. kate? >> and there's a bit more i need to ask you about as well. we're also hearing tonight that donald trump's former chief of staff mark meadows, he's been ordered to testify in the other investigation, the investigation in georgia that's investigating the efforts to overturn the 2020 election there. what does this mean for that case tonight? >> well, this was an order from the supreme court of south carolina today.
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and it basically said that any arguments -- the arguments so far that mark meadows had made in this separate criminal probe in georgia, they were manifest without merit, that he would need to show up and testify. the reason that investigation is so interested in mark meadows is that he was privy to a call between the then president donald trump and secretary of state in georgia, pressuring to find votes. he also was in meetings in december of 2020. and so he became a person that they really have wanted to get insight into. now, one of the things that when you step back from this and try to look at the big import here is georgia, this investigation is one of the tips of the spear. there are many investigations going on. so what they get first, other investigations may also try to pursue and get as well. kate? >> a great point. it's good to see you, thank you for the reporting. "outfront" with me now is evan perez, cnn senior justice correspondent. ryan goodman, editor in chief of just security.
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former special counsel at the defense defendant. and elie honig, who is a former attorney for the southern district of new york. let's start with the big news in the verdict tonight when it comes to the oath keepers and the oath keepers' founder stewart rhodes, guilty on the most serious charge associated with january 6th. how significant is this? >> it's an historical moment for the country to have a jury find the leader of a militia group in the united states guilty of trying to use violence to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. and i think it's also super important for what comes next, which is the next militia group, the proud boys are also going to go on trial for the same charge. and their lawyers must have a very serious conversation with them about whether or not they do want to flip and cooperate with the government, now seeing that the justice department can succeed in bringing a successful case to a point of conviction for the leaders and, in fact, there's even stronger evidence
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when it comes to the proud boys. i think that's a big implication of this. >> that's a really great point. ryan calls it historic. how big is this for the justice department? and why was it key for them to get a guilty verdict on seditious conspiracy? >> look, it was actually a pretty, i think, controversial thing inside the justice department as they worked towards bringing this case. if you remember, we reported that it was mike sherwin who was a trump-appointed acting u.s. attorney here in d.c. who first tried to bring these charges. and when merrick garland took over at the justice department, he put it on hold and had them work some more, another six, seven months before he approved for those charges to come forward. again, they thought it was a risky thing to do. and the other charges, which were the obstruction of a congressional proceeding. there was some doubt inside the justice department as to whether judges might even allow those
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charges to go forward. again, both those things have gone forward. juries have now endorsed them. and it strengthens the hand in the proud boys' case, but also in the big case, the case that, frankly, the justice department is working towards, which is the one that trump is at the center of. the question of whether the former president was impeding the transfer of power, whether he was part of a conspiracy to do that is part of what the justice department is pursuing. and this strengthens their hand in that investigation. >> i was really curious on your perspective, elie. is it clear to you what this means for donald trump? >> well, i think, first of all, kate, big picture. this is a forceful rejection of many of the lies donald trump and others have told about the election and about january 6th. this is a redection of the idea that this was not organized, that this was spontaneous, that this was not serious, that this was not violent. it was a rejection by a jury,
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our most basic bulwark of liberty, of democracy. juries are not stupid, they can see through the s, and this jury was very carefully. you can see people flip. i've seen plenty of times when someone has said let me go to trial, see what happens. then when you're looking down the barrel of a 20-year sentence, that can change incentives. we don't know if that may happen. but if so we'll see what dominoes may fall. >> ryan, the other big news that we were just talking about with katelyn polantz, her reporting, is that former top trump aide stephen miller has now testified today before the federal grand jury investigating january 6th. and miller was really tight in there. he has first-hand knowledge on some key moments, preparation and intent of the speech, the intent of what donald trump was looking to do in presenting in giving his speech to his supporters who then turned around and then attacked the capitol. where do you see this going?
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>> so he is the kind of person who can get into the mindset of donald trump on january 6th. according to the select committee, he has a conversation with trump for over 25 minutes about the speech and introduces it does sound like some of the language of mike pence. then stephen miller says, get that stuff out of the speech. and then after trump has a confrontation with pence, even more of it comes in. so i'm sure he must have had some conversation with trump over those 25 minutes plus to say what are you trying to get at, what are you trying to produce here. we know that he said that to the committee. there's a very good chance he claimed executive privilege, like others did. but it sounds like the wall of executive privilege has fallen apart when it comes to the grand jury, and the fact that he's been testifying as a senior aide to the president i think is very significant in terms of the type of evidence he can give. >> we've heard it over and over again which is what you say to the january 6th committee very different standard of what is expected of you and what is
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required of you when you're sitting in front of a federal grand jury. you've long said when it comes to mark meadows that he is also key to nearly every investigation involving donald trump. and this is another big deal for that investigation in georgia. >> it is, kate. mark meadows, in my view, is the most important single witness here. he was by donald trump's side throughout the run-up to january 6th. he was on that famous call or infamous call with brad raffensperger. today mark meadows learned the hard way that a grand jury subpoena he got is very different from a congressional subpoena. mark meadows essentially brushed off the congressional subpoena. he was never even charged with contempt. he had no consequences. well, he learned today from the south carolina supreme court unanimously you cannot brush off a grand jury subpoena. now he will have to go down to atlanta into georgia and testify under oath in front of that grand jury, and the d.a. is going to have some really crucial questions to ask him. and he's got to be truthful or else he's looking at a potential perjury charge.
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so this is a big step. >> and also a long list of names we're getting at. there is a long list of trump aides and those close to him around some key moments that have been ordered to testify before the fulton county grand jury. we now have mark meadows, rudy giuliani, boris epshteyn, lindsey graham as well. it just seems to keep going and going. and to what end? i mean, where is this all headed? >> the justice department has not really said who the target of that investigation is. but, as you can see from that list you just gave, those are the ones that have gone to the grand jury in georgia. those are some of the same people that the justice department is interested in. and that makes clear that the man at the center of all this is donald trump. and, so, that's what is very much clear of the fact now that you have a special counsel focusing on this investigation. >> it's good to see you all. thanks so much for working
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through all of that this evening. "outfront" for us next, china trying to snuff out covid protests and going to new extremes to try to do so. my next guest has been speaking to protesters. what he's hearing tonight. plus, the top republican in the house, kevin mccarthy, weighing in on trump's dinner with a white nationalist. >> i think president trump came out four times and condemned him and didn't know who he was. >> why that statement does not add up still this evening. and breaking news. an historic vote. the senate just passing a bipartisan bill to protect to offer federal protections to same-sex marriage. but, does it go far enough? anand up to 320 miles of range on a full charge. evs for everyone, everywhere. chevrolet.
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just look at the cover of the people's daily, the largest newspaper in china. they feature xi jinping's talks with mongolia's president, what clearly is missing any mention of the unprecedented demonstrations which have included calls for xi to step down. demonstrations that erupted in at least 15 cities across china. ivan watson is out front in hong kong. >> reporter: china's police state strikes back, flooding the streets of beijing and shanghai with police. an unmistakable show of force after a weekend of unprecedented protests in at least 15 cities across the country. in the eastern city of hunggiao, police searched people's phones on the shanghai subway looking for apps that allow users to circumvent china's strict internet censorship. the communist party's domestic
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security committee ordering officials to resolutely strike hard against hostile forces as well as criminal activities that destabilize social order. no compromise for peaceful protesters to voice their opinion. meanwhile, health officials striking a slightly softer tone, calling for shorter lockdowns in the chinese government campaign to eradicate covid-19. >> translator: we need to minimize the inconvenience to the general public because of the anticovid-19 measures. as for the high-risk regions, we must have rigorous control. but, at the same time, we should spare no effort to provide services to meet people's basic living needs and medical needs. >> reporter: a carrot and stick approach from different parts of the chinese state after the biggest nationwide display of discontent this tightly controlled country has seen in a
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generation. kate, we have seen no mention whatsoever of these protests in the chinese state media. instead, what we're seeing is the government using censorship, surveillance, and repression to make it look like this never actually happened. but the fact of the matter is we've seen that there is a portion of the chinese population that is deeply unhappy with this system of authoritarian government and control. and that's not going to go away. and that can be down the road even if china succeeds in completely crushing this, that can be unpredictable. >> ivan, thank you so much for that. out front with me now is the senior correspondent in the "wall street journal's" beijing bureau. he's in beijing tonight and has been covering these protests on the ground. and also with us is former u.s. ambassador to china and former democratic senator. brian, from what you have seen, has there been -- i guess we'll call it an olive branch -- but have you seen any olive branch,
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any offering from xi to the protesters? >> no. i don't see any evidence whatsoever of an olive branch from china to the protesters. on the other hand, what we see is china's deploying the full resources of its surveillance state to attempt to quell these protests. i've been in touch with people who were participating in beijing over the weekend. what they're telling me now is that they're scared. university students, their universities are getting phone calls from the police because their mobile phones show that they were in the vicinity of the protests. the police are trying to track them down and they're using all the resources available to them to do it. >> ambassador, you've spent obviously a great deal of time in china. you have met with president xi many times. how do you think he sees these protests? >> all leaders want to stay in power. he's facing a huge problem.
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he's in a box. on the one hand, the zero covid policies did work pretty well. there are only about 5,000 deaths. the population of that country is four times the united states. the trouble is it's not working anymore. because new variants arriving, covid variants. there's no significant health infrastructure that can deal with this. people are not being vaccinated the way they should. the vaccinations they do have are inferior compared with pfizer and moderna, what we have in the west. so, he's either got to keep clamping down to quell the protests or he's going to have to let up a little bit. if he clamps down, clearly he's going to make the people more upset. if he opens up, then he runs the risk of a lot of covid cases and
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potential deaths. he's in a real problem. the answer to this, i think, is for him to open up a little. he cares deeply about how this zero covid is adversely affecting the economy. but he's going to see how far he can do and try to do what he can to get the vaccines, the jab out to as many chinese people as he can. >> if it comes down to something of a binary choice, and the protesters know this, which it could be clamping down harder, or the absolute most unlikely thing, which would be opening up and letting people out and about. the people of china, they know this as well. you say they're scared. but what are they going to do about it? do they believe that their courage and speaking up is going to lead to real change? >> well, i think what some of the protesters tell me is that they're not really clearly defined goals of what exactly
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demonstrators want. some of the protesters tell me even if they could make incremental improvements in their daily lives, their relationship with the state, the state becoming a little bit less intrusive on the covid controls, they would take that as a win. but i think it's really important to remember ten years into xi jinping's leadership over china, we know him not to be a person who tolerates dissent very well. >> that's a great point. ambassador, we've seen these protests in at least 15 city as cross china. and it can't be stated enough what a big deal it is that people are out and about trying to have their voices heard, even with a blank piece of white paper to speak out against censorship. are you surprised how these protests have grown? >> i am a bit surprised. it is widespread in many cities across china. but they're not massive demonstrations in all those cities. they're significant, but they're
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not massive. i'm not surprised that people are finally fed up. i'd be fed up too. i'd probably do something earlier if i were in that same situation. they're fed up. but they're not at the point where they want to create rebellion, revolution. it's just they're very upset with what's happening, they're trying to tolerate it a little bit longer. and we'll see. i do think they know what xi jinping playbook is namely. send police out, discourage groups from coming together. they've experienced tiananmen square. and that means quelling small little protests but try to let them figure it out on their own. if they get too large, then the police will step in. >> unfortunately, we are left to stand by to see what happens next. it's good to see both of you.
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thank you very much. i really appreciate it. "outfront" next, house republican leader kevin mccarthy, he had the chance today to condemn donald trump for dining with a white supremacist. but he did not step up to the plate. why even now is it so hard for him? plus, georgia republican senate candidate herschel walker, he's on the trail, and he's claiming that he's lived in georgia his whole life. but that is not what he said in audio just uncovered by cnn's k-file. >> -- at my home in texas and i was seeieing what was going on ththis country.
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tonight, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell condemning donald trump's meeting with white nationalist nick fuentes at mar-a-lago. listen. >> first, let me just say that there is no room in the republican party for anti-semitism or white supremacy. and anyone meeting with people advocating that point of view, in my judgment, are highly
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unlikely to ever be elected president of the united states. >> and, then, there was this from house republican leader kevin mccarthy. >> i don't think anybody should be spending any time with nick fuentes. he has no place in this republican party. i think president trump came out four times and condemned him and didn't know who he was. >> a note on that, though. donald trump didn't condemn fuentes for any of his views. he only said after the fact and after he was called out that he didn't know who fuentes was when he came for dinner. it's good to see you, mike. you advised kevin mccarthy, you know him well. what is mccarthy doing here with that statement today? he knew he was likely going to be asked. he did not out right condemn what trump did.
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>> yes, he did. i mean, he flat-out condemned it and said no one should be meeting with fuentes. kevin has a really strong record on fighting anti-semitism and condemning white supremacy. he's done it many, many times. and once again today he came out very forcefully that there's no place for this in anywhere in our society. i don't know how much stronger you can get standing at the white house for the incoming speaker-elect to make a statement on this. >> you could go the route of mike pence actually, and that would be stronger, and everyone kind of agrees that it would be stronger. you could go the route of mitt romney who called it disgusting or just say what mike pence said. he thinks he should apologize, he should denounce those individuals. he said it showed very poor judgment. he could go that route. >> so you're going to sort of split hairs on how strongly someone condemns something, if they're condemning it, they're
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condemning it, they're saying it was wrong. kevin mccarthy is the incoming speaker elect. he's focused on doing what he did today, which is going up to the white house to tell president biden that he was elected as speaker and majority to fight for lower spending and to secure the border. he's not going to get into presidential politics. some of the other quotes you gave, that's not what he's doing. but he's going to condemn anti-semitism. that's a really important s signal, especially when you see how the other side has behaved about this. kevin said when he is elected speaker, he is going to remove anti-semitic speakers so that they will no longer have a platform to spew their hate. he has a very strong record on this. >> ashley?
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>> i mean, splitting hairs on condemning anti-semitism? you can be as strong as you want and you can say it over and over and over again, and that's what true leaders do. you should say to donald trump you should not meet with him, whether you knew who it was or not, there are so many more ways that kevin mccarthy could be a stronger leader and condemn these actions. i don't expect him to do that because he is playing the game of politics for himself. he barely is going to be the speaker of the house, and he wants to keep that. and he wants to play both sides. he wants to be able to say i condemned it and i split that hair, but i didn't split it enough to make donald trump mad. so, it's evident by his behavior. i think anyone who is not condemning this action right now is questionable, shouldn't be in leadership. but i'm not going to laude kevin
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mccarthy tonight or any time in the near future as a hero because he said, oh, donald trump didn't know who fuentes was. but there's no space for that in the republican party. say more, do more, be a leader. >> mike, kevin madden said something last night that caught my attention, just talking about the general reaction of republicans to this kind of next round with donald trump. obviously republican strategist. his point was that what he sees and what annoys him is that republicans are breaking from trump in incremental ways, glancing blows. madden says the answer should be emphatically, yes, it is disqualifying. would saying that threaten mccarthy's chances of becoming speaker? >> look, i think donald trump is an announced candidate for president, and the voters in the republican primary are going to
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make a decision as to whether or not they think it's disqualifying or not. and plenty of the other candidates for president are going to weigh in on that. that's not kevin mccarthy's job as the speaker. his job it to state as a republican leader that there is absolutely no place in the republican party or this country for anti-semitism or white supremacy and that no one should be taking meetings with leaders of that community. that's what he said today on the steps of the white house. so, going beyond that is just -- the media is trying to pick fights between republicans, and even when kevin does the right thing, it's sort of unacceptable to the media because they are only happy if kevin and other republicans are getting into a fight with one another. it's one of the reasons why he is such an effective leader. >> we could have a discussion on lots of things. but don't, like, clump me in with the media. don't put this as like a media versus -- i'm asking the question he did not go as far as other people. but we don't have to do it that
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way. >> look at the "new york times," "the washington post," other media outlets. this has become a thing because they want to foment these disagreements and they don't want to talk about what kevin was up there to talk to joe biden about today. they'd rather talk about this distraction. >> well, i actually did talk about it all on my show at 11:00 today. on my 11:00 show today i did talk about that and ran all of what kevin mccarthy said coming from the white house and talking about his priorities, which he talked about the border. everyone can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> i'm not lumping you with this. i'm giving you another view, and i appreciate that. >> ashley, if republicans struggle with this and continue having to struggle with this and how to deal with donald trump, yet again, does this make your job easier? >> no. i'm an american, i don't want anti-semitism. i don't want antiblackness. i don't want homophobia in this country. it makes my job harder because i want to live in a country where
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everyone can be their full selves and thrive. and when we have republicans who won't blatantly condemn anti-semitism and all the things that i mentioned, and many more that i haven't, it makes governing harder. it makes moving our country forward as a more just place harder. i've worked on political campaigns, but i'm a black woman in the united states of america that's an organizer from youngstown, ohio. i want our country to move to a more just place. and giving a forum for anti-semite and enabling that and playing politics with this, it doesn't make anybody's job easier. it is worse for our country. it's really frustrating and sad. and i hope -- i hope, i really do, i'm happy to debate politics any day and the policies any day and time any republican wants to. what i won't debate is a firm
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condemnation on anti-semitism. i don't think we got that from kevin mccarthy today. >> guys, thank you both for coming on. thanks for taking the questions. really appreciate it. "outfront" for us next, herschel walker facing new questions tonight about whether he really lives in georgia. and now cnn's k file has uncovered this new audio. listen. >> i was sitting in my home in texas, and i was seeing what was going on in this country. plus, breaking news. the senate just passing a bill that offers protections to s same-sex marriage. why some are already saying, read the fine print. help hook him up with a new ride. we'll drive you happy at carvana. okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with twenty-five vitamins and merals, and ensu complete with thirty grams of protein.
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tonight, exactly one week before the georgia senate runoff election, republican candidate herschel walker is on defense again, this time about whether he legally resides in the state of georgia. cnn's k file reporting tonight that walker himself earlier this year said, quote, i live in texas. and he also said this. >> i was sitting in my home in texas, and i was seeing what was going on in this country. >> but during a campaign rally just hours ago, walker claimed that he's always been a georgia resident. >> i represent the great people of georgia. i've lived here my whole life. >> walker has been under fire over this already, fending off questions about his residency
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after cnn's k file reported that walker was getting a texas tax break intended for a primary residence. "outfront" now, cnn politics reporter and editor-at-large. for more on this, chris, this is not clearly the first controversy that herschel walker has been dealing with since launching his campaign for senate. this is a new problem. this new problem, how does it stack up against all of the others? >> let me first say, kate, that clip you played where herschel walker says i lived in georgia my whole life is just not true. he lived in texas. he moved to georgia to run for the senate, which is fine, but just to do a little bit of a fact-check there. on the one hand, as you mentioned, walker has been through a lot in terms of allegations about paying for abortions, which he denied. the campaign has been hit with a lot throughout the campaign. and he's still standing. and there's value in that politically speaking. on the other hand, we are seven
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days away from the runoff. and this is a very close race. so, when you talk about those things, herschel walker would rather not be talking about his residency issues tonight and tomorrow on the campaign trail. so little things can make a big difference when we're talking about a really close race with really tight margins. >> and, look, accusations of carpet-bagging are a tried and true political move ever sense politics began, from bobby kennedy, to hillary clinton, scott brown, mitt romney, mehmet oz very recently. the resulting impact, though, on their success or failure in campaigning in running is a bit mixed, if you really look at it. >> it is. >> these days, do you think these kinds of attacks have impact, do they matter? >> so i think the key is authenticity. do you come off as authentic? generally speaking, and i think about where you're from and how you talk about where you're from matters. hillary clinton won.
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almost before she announced her candidacy but right before she went on a long tour of every county of new york, essentially as a way to combat the idea that she was just flying in, she's from new york city, and she wanted to be elected. the other extreme just happened. mehmet oz. he was never able to prove that he was authentically from pennsylvania. john fetterman's campaign did a really good job of making it seem as though oz would a new jersey guy who just happened to be in pennsylvania because there was an open senate seat in pennsylvania. so authenticity is always the key in these campaigns. and that's when carpet-bagging can matter. >> it's good to see you, chris. thanks for coming in. the senate just passing a bill to protect same-sex marriages with 12 republicans joining democrats. the congressman who was a driving force behind this major moment, he's next. plus, team usa moving on in the world cup after beating iran, but one of the team's star
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same-sex marriage at the federal level. it comes after the supreme court overturned the right for abortion fueling concerns that same-sex marriage would be next. 12 senate republicans voted with all the democrats on this tonight. house majority leader steny hoyer saying it would pass as soon as tuesday next week. and president biden saying he will promptly and proudly sign the bill into law once it reaches his desk. joining me now, from rhode island, he's also the chair of the congressional lgbtq plus equality caucus. thank you for coming in. you've been a driving force behind this effort. this is expected to pass the house as we know, headed to the president's desk. what does it mean to you? >> this is a really important victory for the lgbtq plus community. we had a strong bipartisan vote in the house. there was a strong bipartisan vote in the senate. it will have to come back to the house.
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it means for thousands and thousands of lgbtq people who are married, that their marriages will be respected under the law. this is an important step in our fight for full equality in this country. and i think it is not a controversial issue anymore. people understand that marriage should be available to everyone. that you should be able the marry whomever you love. the senate vote is a strong affirmation of that. so this is real progress for our country, our community. and i look forward to being at the bill signing with president biden and finally, putting there into law. >> the act provides protections to same-sex marriages. but there is a lot that it does not do. it does not require all states to allow same-sex marriage. it requires them to recognize same-sex marriages from other states. but it doesn't require states to issue same-sex marriage licenses. james, the lead plaintiff in this supreme court case who
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legalized it, he said what he sees, is that this doesn't go far enough. let me play this for you. >> personally, i think every couple, regardless if they're same-sex or opposite sex, should have the right to get a marriage license in the state they call home. so of course, i think this respect for marriage act, while it is fantastic in that it protects the recognition of marriage in all 50 states. that it would once again allow states to deny couples like john and me the right to get a marriage license in their home state just is wrong. >> first, he thinks you compromised too much on this. do you say this doesn't go far enough? >> this does as much as the federal government can do. marriage is established in state law. the federal government does not have the authority to determine what is a marriage by state law. what this says is, if you are married in any state in america,
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a valid marriage, it must be recognized by every other state in america under the full faith and credit clause of the constitution. that's what congress can do. it says you cannot discriminate if a marriage is performed in any state in the country. we hope every state will continue to allow people the same gender to marry. if they don't and the supreme court reverses it, this will ensure wherever you travel, that marriage will be respected. that's the repeals of the so-called defense of marriage act, doma. and it says as long as a marriage is lawfully performed in any state of america, it needs to be recognized in every state of the country. that's a very strong protection. well, of course, make sure everyone has the right to be married in their own state. passage of the equality act that will end discrimination against our community once and for all is important and hopefully it will get passed in the senate. this is a significant step and it is all we can do as the federal government. marriage is the prerogative of states. so this is a huge achievement.
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>> while i have you, i want to ask about some of the other news we have. some of the ruling in the oath keepers trial. its leader, guilty on seditious conspiracy. you wanted to block former president trump from running based on section three of the 14th amendment which, to remind everyone states, in summary, that no person shall hold any office -- no person shall, who holds any office, shall have engaged in snurgs or rebellion against the government. how does today's verdict now figure into your push to block trump from running? >> i think the 14th amendment makes it clear you cannot run for federal office if you assisted others or engaged in it. i think it is very clear the former president engaged in it. this is just more evidence that an insurrection was committed. i'm very grateful to the department of justice in their effort to make sure every single person who was involved in an effort to overturn the free and
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finally, victory for team usa. advancing to the world's knockingout stage after beating iran today. the star player scored the game's only goal, but it did come at a price. he suffered an injury that sent him to the hospital. according to the team, he has a pelvic contusion and now his status day to day. the match played against the crackdown on brutal protesters. inside iran, many were celebrating team usa's win with fireworks and much more. up next for the u.s., netherlands on saturday. thanks for being here. "ac360" starts now. the law dates back to the civil war. the crime it describes is as serious as it gets. conspiring to, among other things, overthrow or destroy by force th