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dinner as president. the president and first lady welcoming the french president emmanuel macron and his wife bridget, two couples greeting each other warmly, and both committing their commitment to peace and ending russia's war on ukraine. also agreeing to coordinate their response to china, and calling for stability on the taiwan strait jointly. the dinner itself, this is the first dinner because of covid. it's being held in a candle lit pavilion on the south lawn of the white house. more than 400 guests are expected to attend. among them julie louis-dreyfus, john legend, chrissy teigen, stephen colbert and anna wintour. thank you so much for joining. don't forget you can watch "outfront" any time on cnn go. "ac 360" begins right now. good evening. tonight two big legal setbacks for the former president. a federal judge ordering his former white house counsel pat cipollone and deputy to give
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criminal testimony to the grand jury investigating the january 6th. also flat-out rejecting the need for a special master to review documents seized from mar-a-lago. the 11th circuit appeals panel stating formerly former presidents should not receive special treatment. i'm quoting from the opinion, in considering these arguments, we are faced with a choice, apply our usual test, drastically expand the availability of equitable jurisdiction of every subject of a search warrant, or carve out an unprecedented exception in our law for former presidents. we choose the first option. in other words, former president or not, the normal rules apply. cnn's sara murray joins us with more on this and the cipollone case. s sara, what does this mean the court ruling on the mar-a-lago documents? what does it mean for the doj and their investigation? >> obviously, it's a big win for the department of justice, who had been arguing there shouldn't have been a special master in this case all along. practically, it could mean that they will get this whole mess of documents sooner than they would
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otherwise. remember, they already have access to the roughly 100 documents that were marked classified. but there were thousands of these other documents that they want to try to use to make their case about how things were stored haphazardly at mar-a-lago. so now they could get them sooner. of course, the x factor will trump appeal? we've seen his willingness to do so many, many related cases. he earlier appeal something to the supreme court and he may ultimately decide to go to the supreme court with this question as well. we should note, though, that this appeals court that ruled against the trump team today, it is made up of three gop appointed judges, anderson. >> so if he did want to slow things down, he could try to appeal to the supreme court? >> he could, yes. if he still wants to try to stall, he could go to the supreme court. he could ask for some intervention there. he could go back to this court, frankly, and ask for the entire panel to hear it. so he could ask them to hear it on bunk, although i'm not sure why you would do that, given the
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panel possibly sympathetic j-ridges they had and how they ruled against them. >> cipollone has been ordered to give testimony before the grand jury investigating the efforts to interfere with the election. he already appeared back in september. it was obviously before the counsel jack smith was appointed to oversee the doj probe. what happens now? >> that's right. what we have learned is a judge ruled that cipollone as well as his deputy pat philbin had to go become to the grand jury and testify. now, again, this is all happening behind closed doors. this is a secret court proceeding. and trump's team had argued because of privilege issues they shouldn't be able to answer certain questions for the grand jury. now the question is are these guys going to get swept into the grand jury quickly, or will trump's team first appeal before they go back there? we do expect an appeal by the trump team. we'll see wait and see hoy this plays out. this is happening behind closed doors so we're learning this from people brief on the matter. >> this is a grand jury probe for the justice department? >> that's right. this is the criminal grand jury probe having to do with efforts
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to overturn the 2020 election. remember, these guys wither in the white house. they were around the former president. they were there when he was raising schemes about trying to go to states, when he was suggesting this potential coup at the justice department. so they have obviously seen a lot. >> sara murray, appreciate it. i want to get some perspective now. our two cnn legal analysts ellie c carrie cordero and elie honig. how helpful is this to the justice department's investigation going forward? >> i think the 11th circuit ruling is important in the case. what it did it is basically said that the former president is not entitled to special treatment, that executing search warrants is a standard process for the justice department, for the fbi when they're conducting an investigation. that when that warrant is based on probable cause and it's approved by a judge, that there really were no strong arguments made by the former president that a special master should be in place and that he should receive any special treatment. so i think the 11th circuit case
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and the opinion that was just issued really resets this case in terms of the way things normally would work for any individual who is the subject of a search in any investigation around the country. >> elie, how do you see the opinion? >> first of all, this opinion is about jurisdiction. meaning the courts just can't do anything they feel like. what the court of appeals today said is the district court, in ordering the special master went too far. that's not a thing that courts can do. you cannot interfere with a criminal investigation at this stage. and as a practical matter what this does is it removes a roadblock or a speed bump for the justice department. it means unless this case goes up to the supreme court and gets reversed, which i think is very, very unlikely, doj can now take all the documents they seized at mar-a-lago and use them fully in their investigation. so it will enable the doj to carry on with their investigation in a speedy manner. >> david, just in terms of the legal strategy, do you think it was a mistake now for the former
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president's legal team to go through the route of requesting a special master, or if gumming up the works or slowing down the process was the goal, was that successful? >> anderson, i think we've had this discussion before. i think the president has one idea and his legal team have a separate idea, and he is the client. i think they filed this suit. facially they had a claim. and as has been pointed out by the 11th circuit, there are three judges on the 11th circuit. they don't really have the standing to do so for a variety of reasons, separation of powers and others. i anticipate that the president's legal team will appeal asking to be held by the entire 11th circuit which success seems pretty slim and then they'll appeal to the supreme court. it's a tactic kyiv seen before from the president's lawyers in terms of just delay. and i think that they'll continue to delay until the absolute last moment they can, and the supreme court doesn't take it up. i don't think the supreme court will take it up.
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but, you know, they'll take to it the 11th circuit en banc and we'll see what they say. >> carrie, how long could it slow things down? the ruling by the 11th circuit doesn't go into effect for seven days, which obviously gives the president time there. >> right. so it gives him time to appeal. and so then there will be a determination whether or not the justice department can go ahead and actually look at the information. so there is some i think a little bit of ambiguity as to whether or not they can start looking at the information right away, or whether or not they're going to have to wait a little while. i don't think there is any credible basis for the en banc appellate court or for the supreme court to take up the arguments in this case. and i think it's important to point out just how unusual the former president's arguments were in this case. the normal time that an individual would challenge the results of a search and say that their rights had been violated is when they've actually been charged with something. so the former president and his legal strategy really jumped far
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forward here by trying to make arguments that his constitutional rights were being abused in some way by the way that the fbi handled this search that just is not the way that normal investigations would work in any other matter. >> go ahead. >> i'll just say it's clearly a setback for the president in any way you look at it. >> elie, if the former president is eventually charged with the crime, would he have another chance to challenge the search warrant then, to carrie's point? >> yes, he would, anderson. that's precisely for the court's opinion today. they say essentially you're not special. they say look, we have a couple of choices here. we could say everybody gets a special master after a search. well don't want to do that. we could say nobody gets a special master after the search, which is the normal rule, or only former presidents. they say we're not doing that. the way it normally works, anderson, if there comes a day where donald trump or anybody gets indicted and they want to challenge the search warrant, at that point the prosecutors will have to give them all the documents, all the paperwork that went to the judge.
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and you can, and i'm sure if this ever happens, donald trump will challenge the search. he'll say it was unconstitutional. he'll say that the prosecutors did not establish probable cause, that the search violated his constitutional rights. and if he wins at that point, then the evidence cannot be used against him. but that's the way this normally works. >> the fact that now the former president says he is running again for another term, i mean, there has been a lot of talk that maybe he thinks by announcing that might slow down some of the investigations or at least complicate them and make them look political. do you think this ruling in any way affects his run? >> anderson, i think it's going to be tough to make case when you had three republicans, the judges that issued -- the circuit judges that issued this opinion are a bush appointee and two trump appointees. it's pretty tough to make that case. obviously, a lot of conservatives believe that this case was flawed in the beginning because of separation of powers argument, right. the justice department -- the
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judicial branch shouldn't be interfering in the executive branch's business. pretty tough. >> carrie, i got a dumb question for you. note that all mine aren't dumb. but when the judgment of a u.s. district judge in this case aileen cannon is completely overturned by a federal appeals court, is there any career or reputational harm to the judge? like the next day in the judge's chambers or the judge's coffee break room are, the other judges like wow, that was lame? is there any blowback? >> this case is unusual because it involves a former president. so, you know, there certainly could be the coffee chatter about it. but look, judges get overturned. i mean, that's how we have an appellate system. that's how cases end up going up to the supreme court. so in this particular case, it's very high profile, obviously. in my judgment, and obviously in the 11 circuit's judgment, the original judge's opinion was not based on the law and was not well reasoned.
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but judges get overturned. that's basically how the system is set up to work. >> you said that in a very nice way. the judge's ruling was not based on the law or reason, but -- carrie cordero, elie hoenig, dave urban, thank you. coming up next, herschel walker's new campaign challenges and what the impact could be on raphael warnock's campaign closer. >> hello, atlanta! i'm back! i am back. >> and later, i'm talk with the ukrainian mom we've been talking with all during the war who has temporarily relocated to the united states. we'll be right back. get decision tech. for insights on when to buy and sell. and proactive alerts on market events. that's decision tech. only from fidelity. it immediately feels like somebody's poking
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the senate runoff, upwards of 1.5 million ballots already cast. raphael warnock brought in the heaviest hitter campaign, or heaviest campaign hitter that his party has. >> hello, atlanta! i'm back! i am back. i know. i know it. si se puede! i am back, yes, we can! >> former president obama tonight in atlanta. his presence underscoring certainly how important controlling the senate with 221 seats. the difference might seem small, but nothing matter morse to senator warnock than bringing out black and minority voters.
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here is more of what president obama had to say tonight. >> i know a lot of folks have been voting early over the past few days. that is a good thing. that is an encouraging thing. but you knew there was a but. plenty of folks haven't voted yet. tomorrow is the last day for early voting. and then we need to get people out to the polls on tuesday. which means we've still got work to do. on the other side? you've got mr. walker. don't boo now. i told you all that. i told you the last time. can nobody hear you boo? but they can hear your vote. all right, all right. so you got mr. walker.
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look, i was here last time. i think i made clear my thoughts on mr. walker. i had to acknowledge. and, you know, some of you, everybody here has pretty good home training. and so, you know, you're always reticent if you don't have something nice to say about somebody, you don't say it. so i talked about what a good football player he had been. but i also had to acknowledge that i did not think he had either the competence, the character, the track record of service that would justify him representing georgia in the united states senate. >> that event is now wrapped. the walker event is just beginning. cnn's dianne gallagher is there. you're there at the walker event. we saw senator warnock's event where former president obama has been speaking. how different are the strategies
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of the two campaigns in this final stretch? >> so we are seeing quite different strategies here. you can probably see behind me representative barry loudermilk trying to warm up the crowd in woodstock, georgia for republican herschel walker. not necessarily the heavy hitters of the party here to bring out the crowd. we'll hear from senator lindsey graham in a little bit. and then the candidate himself. we've seen an aggressive campaign from the incumbent senator warnock. begin, bringing out the not so secret weapon of former president barack obama tonight on the eve of early voting. herschel walker has taken a much more relaxed approach, if you will. we're not seeing the same level of events throughout the time. of course, we took those five days off from public events in just a four-week runoff. very different strategies. one very aggressive. one trying to hit as many event as he possibly can, bringing out as many big names as he possibly can. herschel walker using many of
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the same surrogates. lindsey graham a familiar face to supporters of walker at many events and sort of hit one to two events a day. we're also looking at the money being spent. $77 million total in ads. but just the stark difference. democrats have spent 2-1 on this. more than that even. 52.9 million to 24.2 million. anderson, just to crystallize that, the candidate himself, raphael warnock, he has spent more than old gop spending combined at $24.8 million. so spending activity, all of that more aggressive for democrats. >> tomorrow, as you said, it's the final day of the early voting. what are the expectations for campaigns in terms of turnout? >> so the campaigns, voting rights groups, all of them expect tomorrow to be exceptionally busy. that may be something we've seen every single day this week because of that condensed format. only five days of early mandatory voting which is why we're seeing the early daily
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records being set. on monday, 3100,000 plus voters casting their ballots. but that means we're seeing long lines across the state and people trying to get in to vote when they can. so do know i've spoken to some democrats who say that while those daily numbers are very impressive, they are westerned that perhaps we're not going see the same type of overall turnout during this early voting period because of the condensed format, this abbreviated four-week runoff. though they are confident right now. democrats are saying they're seeing the good areas they're looking for turn out the vote, just at this event here. each one of the speakers has been encouraging the voters tomorrow to get out and vote. a lot of people attending tell me they do prefer to vote on election day. and i know that voting rights groups again say they expect see the very long lines on tuesday, as more people are able to get to the polls. more than 1.1 million people cast their ballots through wednesday.
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and they believe they're to see another 200,000 plus cast just today, anderson. >> dianne gallagher, appreciate it. joining us political commentator, former special adviser to president obama van jones. and inside politics anchor abby phillip. you look at the contrast between the two campaigns, even these duelling events tonight. what does it say to you about the strategies of each team? >> yeah, i think it tells you a lot about where the expectations are for both sides. democrats are really hitting the gas on turnout, bringing in their biggest turnout getter, former president obama. and republicans are really trying to keep herschel walker out of sight and perhaps out of mind for some voters who are not super comfortable with him and the things that he's had to say. i will also say the money tells a huge part of the story. you know, there has been a huge democratic advantage in ad spending in georgia over the republicans. and i think that that says a lot about that the optimism that i
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think democrats have that if they really give it all they have, that they have a good shot of holding on to this senate seat. >> van, in a race like this that has been going on for so long and so many commercials, and people ace minds are made up one way or the other i assume, now it's just about getting people out there. >> i think that's true. but tonight is also about the pride of the community. president obama and then the shame of the community when you're talking about herschel walker. you talk to these people on the grassroots level. you have a lot of people motivated to come out. they just feel embarrassed by herschel walker. they just think that it would be an embarrassment to georgia, an embarrassment to black people, an embarrassment to the country. so tonight you got the pride that you see people have for president obama and then the shame. and those both are going to be driving turnout for democrats. >> do you think it's less about warnock himself than it is about those things? >> listen, there are people who love warnock. he has a real popular appeal.
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i mean, people love him. but it's bigger than him. it's bigger than him. and also, as you said earlier, it matters how many votes ahead they are when it comes to the senate. if it's even steven, then the committees are even steven, if they're ahead by one, the committee structures change and it helps democrats as well. >> abby, what does it say that president trump is not campaigning with walker in the final daying and it's lindsey graham out there tonight. >> it says really everything. i think the biggest problem that herschel walker has is there are a lot of georgia voters who are not particularly comfortable with former president trump. they do not think that trump represents them. those are the voters, almost 200,000 of them who voted for the republican incumbent governor brian kemp and did not vote for herschel walker. so they've got to really deal with that by keeping trump out of the picture. and i'll say this. trump has spent so much time telling voters basically not the
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trust the voting process, not to vote by mail or vote early. the last time around that cost georgia republicans their senate races. and i think that there is a clear memory of that among republicans. and there has been a huge effort frankly to try to keep trump out of this race. >> if herschel walker is able to win, what does that mean for the trump wing of the republican party? >> well, if herschel walker wins, that's a huge vindication for donald trump in that this is a handpicked trump candidate. there is nobody walking around in georgia saying we sure wish herschel walker would move here from texas and run. that was trump's idea. if he wins, it's vindication for trump, but if he loses, which that looks like where we're headed, i think it's another repudiation of the trump wing. not necessarily trump. who knows what he is going to do. but the trump wing is further repudiated. >> there is also news president
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biden has formally endorsed a major overhaul of the presidential primary system. what does that mean? lets take a look at this on the screen. basically, there would be no caucuses at all. and for the first several primaries to reflect a more diverse electorate. they would go south carolina then a week later nevada, new hampshire then on the same day then georgia the following week and the week after that michigan. now it's what, up to the dnc deciding? and new hampshire democrats are already blasting the idea. is it something you think people in your party would support? >> a lot of people are saying hallelujah. for a party that is so strongly african american and latino and latina, iowa, which is 0.001% black, why is iowa first? it's so hard for working folks to go to a caucus. so there has been a discontent inside the democratic party with you got to win in iowa first. now obama pulled it off, but there is still discontent. for biden to say that south
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carolina should go first, south carolina is where he won first. and so he's giving them a big, big hug and a kiss. but i think it makes sense given who the party is. michigan, georgia, nevada, these are states that reflect more of the base of this party. in south carolina, obviously. >> abby, you broke this story. this would represent a big change in the nominating process. >> yeah, it represents really a huge change, and one that a lot of democrats wanted. and for all the reasons that van described, i think biden putting his thumb on the scale in this way, laying out a system that put south carolina first and followed by nevada, a heavily latino state really tells you everything you need know about what is going on here. he says very clearly in a letter to the dnc tonight that the party should never nominate someone who does not have the overwhelming support of black and brown democrats. and that is what this order really represents. one note about new hampshire.
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yeah, south carolina is where biden won. new hampshire is where biden lost by a lot. and they are upset tonight because they would lose their first in the nation primary status. but if you're biden, you're saying to yourself i won the nomination and the presidency without winning new hampshire, really skipping the state of new hampshire. and i think that that is what is kind of playing out partly in this order here. they want the states to represent not just the demographics, but also the politics of the democratic party. working class voters and black and brown voters, and also slightly more conservative voters in the south as well, anderson, abby phillip and van jones, thanks. we got a surprise last week when we learned about a friend olena gnes who we have spoken to for the last nine months about living through the war in ukraine is now in the united states with her family. i'll talk to her about the war and her family's battles here.
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with ukraine the key topic for president biden's key meeting with france's president macron, we're fortunate tonight to be able to reconnect with someone all of us have gotten to know. we met olena gnes near the beginning of the war when the idea of pushing russia out of territory it conquered was more hope than reality. she joined us on the broadcast whenever she could from a basement where she and her three children were sheltering. when i traveled to ukraine this year, i was fortunate to meet olena and her adorable kids face-to-face. tonight we got surprising news. olena, her husband and children are now residing in the united states in georgia as refugees. she joins us now. olena, it is wonderful to see you and the kids again. thank you for being here. you have been so determined to stay in ukraine, even during the darkest days of the assault on kyiv. i can't imagine how difficult
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the decision to leave temporarily has been. can you just talk about the decision? >> well, i will just tell you one thing. in september, i found gray hairs in my 8-year-old daughter's head. >> wow. >> and it was something. and then i took her to a doctor finally, which i was supposed to a long time before. and was diagnosed with asperger's. high functioning autism. she started to use animal sounds more than like people's language. she started to pull out her eyelashes and the hair from her head. like she was really bad. and then she was diagnosed. and the same day, our president decided that parents of three children like my husband, they can go home from the military. and the same day there was a woman from georgia who wrote me
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a letter and said olena, you can come to home and i will take you to safety from here. and it all happened within one day with diagnosis, my husband demobilized, and from georgia writed me a letter. and to me it was signal that maybe i should do this now because mental health of my children. i still remember, i stayed there for a long time. i was so devoted. i was right about everything. my husband went to the army. but at some point we decided that the mission is done, and now we have to take care of the children. >> yeah. >> and i know that there will always be someone blaming me, you know. there were people blaming me before that i sacrificed my children being selfish or something. and now they will be some other people blaming me that i'm not have enough of courage or something. but i just feel that back then by michigan feeling was i was
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needed in ukraine. now my feeling is my kids need me too. >> what's it been like? i think you've been here since mid-november. what's it been like as family to be here in the u.s. in georgia? >> well, we are a very big family of now. i feel like a part of a big american family because four dogs and the cat and it feels safe, first of all. first of all, kids started to sleep in a separate room. they even fall asleep alone. they didn't have nightmares anymore. and they got scared recently because of the thunderstorm. and started to pull out hairs again from her head. but in general, the healing process for children has started. so we see that it was a very right decision, and it was taken just in time because children are very much traumatized by the war. even those children who are
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still alive, not injured, they are all traumatized psychologically and mentally. and that is something terrible that the war is doing with our children in ukraine right now every day. >> and i think it's something that we don't -- people have not been through it don't think about. we see images of kids being on trains and frightened children on television in war zones. but just the cumulative effect of even living in kyiv under bombardment, and even kyiv in safety and seeing everything, there are so many kids who are going through this trauma. it is one of the horrific parts of war. >> very many children who stay there because their parents cannot leave or because their parents are devoted to stay because they have some important work to do, or because they simply afraid of leaving because it's a big step into the unknown, you know. many of them do not know english language. and they try to leave their normal lives, but you are all
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living in a place and any second a bomb can fall on your child and kill your child. and you cannot really protect your child. and you know, when the child is looking at you, it's a terrible feeling. the day before we left kyiv, we were hiding in the corridor. and you know, this missiles, they were flying by our apartment block. an air defense system hit above our apartment block. our windows were shaking like this. it was very, very, very scary. . >> you're being hosted by an american family, and i want to bring in mary, who is the family who is hosting you through a program called uniting for ukraine. mary, i understand you reached out to olena. what made you decide to get involved? >> well, i had been watching olena since the beginning of the war on her youtube channel,
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which i found out about on your program. and i want was so compelling to hear to see a mother facing this situation. it was very interesting. i learned a lot. and somewhere along the way, i felt if they did want to leave, what would they do? and i kind of started researching. i found out about uniting for ukraine. and then a while later, a few months later, olena was talking about packing a backpack. and the word evacuation came up for the first time. and i started thinking that you could do this. a little voice in my head said you could be part of this. so i researched the program. i wrote her an email, and i sent it to myself at first. i sent it to my email. talked about it with my husband that night. and he said send it. we can do it. do it. as you heard, it got to her right at the moment that all these things were happening. and that's how the whole journey has been, you know. from the time that we said yes, she said yes, we want to do
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this, it was five weeks until we picked them up in the airport in atlanta. worked hard, but also things fell into place. there are amazing things happened. an apartment in krakow became available through a wonderful woman that i met through my niece at the university of georgia. just these amazing things happened. and now olena has helped with bringing one of her very good friends over through the same program. and we're using the same channel again. so we're really excited to promote this program. >> yeah. and we're going to put up information about the program on the screen during this segment. and afterward. olena, what was the first meeting like with mary and her husband and her family? it's such a complete culture shift from war to peace. >> by the time when we came here, anderson, i already felt like mary is my sister, because we kept in touch so much, you know. and it was like -- i think it
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was like trust from the very first email. when mary emailed me, like i haven't heard about this program before, you know. and i didn't know that it was possible. i didn't know that somebody, you know, on the other side of the planet can care for someone and spend their money on someone whom they do not really know. but mary emailed me and said look, this is my house. and she just sent me videos of her house. and she said where i can live. what she can sponsor as a participant. she sent me the documents for this program. so she did all this research and she just show it to me. and i'm like okay. and we were in touch every day. and every day mary was saying me, you're still alive. your kids will come here. i see you already sitting in my living room. she put the photographs of my children on her refrigerator, on the second day.
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it's very -- it's something. >> we're a good team. now we're family. >> well, mary, i know that olena and kids are wearing traditional ukrainian outfits. i believe you are as well, now. >> yep, yep. this is a lovely gift that olena brought me when she got here. and we also have the ukrainian trident necklaces that we wear proudly every day. yep. we're learning. >> and olena, what's your plan in terms of do you know how long you want to stay, can stay? what do you want to do while you're here in terms of for the kids? >> the program allows two years. so we're just playing it by ear at this point. we're hoping that soon they can go to their home in ukraine. but we're prepared to assist them with whatever may come along, you know. >> well, my hope is back to ukraine as soon as possible. i don't feel like taking my
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children back to the danger because i think they've been through too much there. i want them to have their childhood. and now have i this chance. so i want them to be children. but i really hope that the war will be over soon, yes, because it is impossible this genocide is still happening. i'm watching online, you know. 90 years ago, russia killed millions of ukrainians by starvation that was genocide. and it wasn't punished. the evil comes back. now evil is back, and we see the genocide. it's obvious. genocide to the ukrainian people. and ukraine receives a lot of help, and i'm very grateful, but still it is not enough help for ukraine to defeat russia. we need airplanes. we need tanks. we need real weapon just to stop the genocide. >> yeah. >> this is what we need. and all this like engines and united for ukraine, help the refugees, this is awesome. i'm grateful.
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but what we really need is to stop the war now so people with children do not have to leave ukraine. so people do not have to die, to sacrifice, you know, just the war has to be stopped by force because otherwise it will still go on and go on. and every day more ukrainian lives are taken away. >> olena and mary, i appreciate talking to you both. and we'll check in with you both. and i want our audience to know if you want to learn more about this program, uniting for ukraine, a program that helped bring olena and her family here to the united states refugees, you can go to you can see there it at the bottom of your screen. up next, breaking news on the investigation into the stabbing deaths of four university of idaho students and what police are saying about who else may have lived in the house where the students were found.
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house where the students were killed. no suspect, ethough, is in custody as authorities have been giving mixed messages about the attack. cnn's veronica miracle has the latest. >> reporter: for the fist time, police tell cnn there may have been six people living at the house where four university of idaho students were killed. until now, police have only released information about five of the roommates. three of the victims and two other roommates who were not harmed. a fourth victim, ethan chapin did not live at the home. a spokesperson for the moscow police department tells cnn investigators are aware of a sixth person who could have potentially lived at the residence. that person was not at the residence on the night of the murders. an employee with the property management company for the home tells cnn that six people are listed on the lease, but they would not release the names. it remains unclear if that sixth person lived at the property at any point. we asked police if they have found this potential sixth roommate, questioned them, and
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cleared then as a suspect. all they could tell us is they continue to investigate anyone who potentially has information about the case. kaylee concalves' mother tells cnn, quote, kaylee had never mentioned that they were looking for a sixth roommate. if there was a sixth person on that lease, i didn't know about it. but she also said she had never been to the home and didn't know the other roommates besides kaylee's best friend and victim madison muggy again. the goncalves family among those at the university of idaho candlelight vigil where hundreds of students came together to honor their fallen classmates. >> they shared everything. they eventually get into the same apartment together. and in the end, they died together. in the same room and the same bed. in the same room in the same bed. >> police have already cleared the other two surviving roommates. does it tell us anything that they didn't clear the potential sixth person on the lease? >> reporter: anderson, it's hard to say.
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like so much during this investigation, the police were vague in their answer to me. but they did say this person was not home at the time of the attacks. now, we did reach out to other people connected to the home, but we have not heard back. so, we don't know if this person was living at the house currently. but we do know from that leasing company, that there were six people on the lease. anderson? >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up, ape cnn investigation, lawsuits surrounding a disaster at a major military database. and the bill payer, baker, and nightligight maker? that's a lot. so, adding “and student” might feel daunting.g. but what if a school could be there for all of you? career, family, finances and mental health. -happy birthday. -happy birthday buddy. well, it can. national university. supporting the whole you. ♪
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now to a cnn investigation. the lawsuits building around one of the biggest ecological disasters in recent memory for the u.s. military, the contamination of the water in camp la jum. in more recent years it has
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attracted the attention of environmental activister inbrockovich. >> you may be eligible for significant compensation. >> reporter: you've probably seen the commercials, lawyering lining up to help veterans in return for a huge money pie. this contamination over 30 plus years by an off base dry cleaners, leaky storage tanks, and chemical dumping, 1953 to 1987. >> potentially how big is this? >> over a million people were likely exposed to this toxic water during that time period. what does that mean in terms of damages? it's off the charts. >> reporter: greg sexton's mom saw one of the commercials, their first inkling that camp la jum's water may have had to do
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with his illness. >> i was spending time with my father who was a sergeant in the marines. when i was 17 i was diagnosed with what's called a willems tumor. >> reporter: he had kidney cancer, one of the diseases now potentially linked to those chemicals in the water on the base. the base where ann johnson lived with her marine sergeant dad, where she met her future husband in high school, where she gave birth in 1984. >> they didn't bring her to you immediately, no? >> they did not. i guess they were trying to prepare me for what she looked like. >> reporter: she lived just seven weeks. aged 18 and forced into a horrific decision, to let her daughter go. >> i looked at my husband and he just dropped his head, not knowing what to say. i looked up at the doctor, and i said, just -- just let her go. >> reporter: birth defects also now potentially linked to those chemicals in the water on the base. here is the history.
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in 1980, tests found water is highly contaminated. in 1981, water highly contaminated with other chlorinated hydrocarbons, solvents. the most contaminated wells weren't closed for four years after further testing. in february 1985, pce, a dry cleaning solvent was measured at 43 times the current epa limit for drinking water. here in -- terrace, which houses enlisted men and their families. two months later, the base commander sent them all a letter. two of the wells that supply to our terrace have to be taken offline because of minute trace amounts of several organic chemicals have been detected in the water. no health warning, just a request to reduce domestic water use because supply was now limited. apparently a mass health warning didn't come until much later, 14 years later.
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certain areas, the water was supercontaminated. other areas, it wasn't. the marine corp. barracks, right, the batch of barracks, that was in the area where the water was tainted. >> reporter: large areas were affected. this man asked his 6,000 or so clients, what rank were you? 96.3% of respondents say they were enlisted. 3.7% were officers. worth noting, there were always enlisted men than officers on base. allows marines and their kin to file civil claims. >> some simple acknowledgment would be my wish for everything moving forward. navy has six months. >> do you think -- litigation
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could take years to even get inside the courthouse. >> it really could. >> i think that they are too worried about how to defend themselves than focus on what they should be doing. that's to make these lives better of the men and women suffering today. >> rather than it be me, it could have been the water i consumed, and the government could be responsible for what i went through. my ex-husband went on to remarry and have a couple more children. and there was nothing wrong with them. it had to be me. his other kids were fine, so it had to be me. >> and nick watt joins us now. has the military commented on the situation? >> reporter: well, anderson, the navy unit that's handling the claims would not give us an interview on camera, citing ongoing claims and litat