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>> anyone in my position not taking the fifth amendment would be a fool, an absolute fool. one statement that is ever so slightly off, just ever so slightly, by accident, by mistake, such as it was a sunny beautiful day when actually it was slightly overcast would be met by law enforcement. >> but this is, frankly, just one piece of the broader investigation surrounding trump as he is trying to jump-start his 2024 campaign. i want to bring in cnn political commentators charlie dent and ashley allison. back with us also is cnn legal analyst elliot williams. i want to begin with you on that point, though. the idea of trump saying he would be a fool not to take the fifth, which is a change in tune. we're all remembering the moments about when he said what it means to take the fifth. i do wonder in this position, is
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he right about this? >> yes and no, right. you'd be a fool not to take the fifth because if you think you might face criminal liability at some point, yeah, you got to plead the fifth. it's your right as a citizen. the problem is these are civil cases often, and it can be used you in a civil case. if you plead the fifth, the opponents can go into court and say look, he has plead the fifth. he must have something to hide. so it cuts both ways. the other thing is there is this other case, among many going on right now with the state attorney general in new york, where he wouldn't admit to even basic facts like does the trump organization even exist? and they're seeking to have him held in contempt of court over that. it's a way of gaming the system and not actually participating fairly in it. so, yeah, maybe he has a right to plead the fifth. he certainly does as a citizen. but it's another tactic. >> tactics. politically speaking, one of the things people talk often about trump is his ability to use and capitalize on tactics that have
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been successful in some part politically, and then unsuccessful given the fact he is not the president of the united states, although he'd like to be. i'm wondering. we're learning from cnn while he is struggling to fund raise in the first weeks of his campaign -- i want to put up this full screen, because he is pulling in less in the six weeks after his november announcement than in the six weeks prior to his announcement. charlie, what does that say to you? >> well, his campaign went dormant after he announced. and frankly, we all recognize he has been a diminishing figure, and he has been blamed, rightly, for republican underperformance in the midterms in numerous states. his interventions in those primaries made enemies. he already had enemies with the democrats and independents. but among republicans. he infuriate people in a state like pennsylvania. a lot of republican leaders are incensed that he got involved and helped doug mastriano become the nominee, and then the whipout occurred. so he has picked up a lot more
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barnacles. he is a diminishing figure. his campaign went dormant. people want to turn the page. they want to move forward. >> some will say he is still walking for the presidency as opposed to running for presidency. there is a handicapped. you cannot fund raise. you're wondering what that means. we know recently he had appealed to and successfully and is now able to be a part of meta and facebook and instagram once again. you are known for your building and using platforms to generate support and enthusiasm across different lines. how significant will this be that trump will soon have access again, to what, 34 million followers? >> it's dangerous i think to our democracy, because we know that he used social media to organize an insurrection. but it will benefit his campaign. we know that there are populations that are on facebook. they are typically ordonez older americans there is a lot of
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disinformation on meta now. and that's what trump thrives off of. he thrives on being able to spew hate, spew disinformation, confuse voter, and then do this woe is me kind of act that i can't say one thing wrong before the media, you know, comes after me. this is exactly the playbook that he wants to play. i agree with you, charlie, that i think his campaign is dwindling. i still will not count him out until, you know, we find out who is going to run on the democratic side. but him being on meta is dangerous. it will give him some wind. and if he takes the opportunity to be on it, and on twitter when really the competition gets tourvegs the competition gets tourvegs it could benefit him but it will expose him as the person he is.
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>> his worries about getting this wrong. i certainly appreciate the idea of having been a civil litigator myself as well, you better precise otherwise it can be used against you. but then you've got the wild, wild west of the twitter or facebook thumbs, right, and the idea that those too could be used. it's also dangerous for him with all the different investigations looming for him to use the platforms recklessly. >> sure. it's evidence, right? it's statements being made by a party. and you can use them in court. if he contradicts, as he did today in a deposition, it certainly can be used against him. i think the challenge, and that is where the political and the legal sort of come together, i don't know if any of this actually hurts the former president with his supporters, where so much of his brand has been built on grievance, and grievance at the behest of the legal system, that perhaps being targeted by these lawsuits and prosecutions and investigations actually whips people up.
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maybe it's like charlie is saying, a dwindling proportion of the republican electorate. but still, a lot of people still -- he touches something in them. >> to that point you raids about the dwindling, charlie, the campaign may be dwindling, but you're not actually hearing from republican encumbents. >> right. >> who are vociferous about wanting that to go away. >> i like to say he is a diminishing figure, but he is still a dangerous one. he still commands enough support to cause problems. a lot of these other likely candidates for president on the republican side, whether they be kristie lu stout, pompeo, nikki haley, pence, nobody wants to be the first. because they'll become his target. so i think they're all waiting around, even though they recognize his vulnerability. there is kind of this conundrum. you only need one, two candidates to challenge him. if there are too many, that will
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split the anti-trump vote and he can walk away with the flurry ra plurality. >> are they waiting for trump or the democratic nominee? >> i think it's both. folks are waiting. the state of the union is next week. they're waiting to see what president biden says, if he declares or not. i think if -- whether or not president biden runs or not, i think there will be more republicans that jump into the field. but i think they are just trying to hedge their bets because once joe biden announces, they can say i can be the person. trump already lost to him. i can be the person that might be able to beat him. will they be correct? i'm not sure. one other thing i want to say, the interesting thing about this deposition, i feel like this is the most control we might have ever seen donald trump be, in just saying one line over and over. but when he really gets on twitter, he just can't control himself. he won't have his attorneys around him, and that's where he'll start to say the contradictory statements. >> he can lie on twitter, and he can lie to the media, but lying
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in a deposition is another matter. he got good legal advice, i think to take the fifth amendment. he is a terrible witness. >> look, to be clear, he has been invited back to twitter, but he is still on truth social, facebook and instagram, maybe other fundraising opportunities to what he would like to do next. but we're all really waiting to see what impact. if you're talking about you know, the idea of who takes the fifth, remember, the mob takes the fifth. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? all those different aspects of it. it will be interesting to see how that will be compartmentalized away now that there are conversations, ongoing witch hunts. stick around, everyone. next, the latest chapters in what seems to be the never ending saga of one george santos. he says he is stepping back from his committee assignments until his issues are resolved. so which issues does he mean exactly? the issues about the lying on his resume or any other aspect of it? maybe volleyball this time? what is it?
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embattled republican congressman george santos is speaking out after deciding to step aside from his committee assignment, at least until the investigations into his lies are resolved. here's what he said to right wing network oan earlier today. >> i've learned my lesson. and you can guarantee -- i can guarantee you that from now on, anything and everything is always going to be aboveboard. it's largely always been aboveboard. i'm just going to go the extra step now to double-check, cross reference everything. >> i know you're thinking
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double-check and cross reference your own stories? okay. well, he was asked about the issues with his campaign finances, or animal charity. he wasn't asked about the many loys he told about his employment and religion and family history even his mother's location on september 11th, but he did say this. >> i've made my sincere apology multiple times. i earlier said it. i thoroughly apologize for lying about my education and embellishing the resume. i made that very, very clear. i don't know what more can be said other than admitting. is there anything more humbling, humiliating than admitting that on national television, katelyn? >> charlie, dan, ashley allison and elliot williams are all back. let's ask the question. is there anything more he could have done or do now, now that he admitted to the lying? >> he can do more. he can resign.
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that would be the easiest thing to do. lying about your resume, schooling, working at goldman sachs, the holocaust, 9/11, that's not a crime. but his biggest problem is the $700,000 campaign log. he's got problems all over the place legally and certainly ethically. >> what's the real story. you've been behind the scenes. what's the real story? that he has been assigned to committee assignments and you know what? i think i'll step back. what really happened? >> you know what happened is? i suspect he was guaranteed committees. now republican leaders wants to kick ilhan omar off of her committees. but it's hard to kick her off the foreign affairs committee when you have santos on two committees with all his baggage. i'm sure he didn't voluntarily jump off those committees. i'm sure he had a meeting with the speaker, we need you to get off the committees. and he said i'm stepping down. i think that's the back story. that's what it looks like to me. >> no question. and that's the sort of behind-the-scenes horse trading. but in practice, what you have
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now is a member of congress who has recused from serving on committees. that's basically like a mcdonald's employee who has recused from touching big macs. it's literally a core function of the job that he's not doing on behalf of the people. so set aside whether he resigns or not, the people of the third congressional district of new york ought to ask do i really want this clown show representing me in congress? he is not serving the people. >> on that point, that's an important one. the idea of what happens when you're not on a committee. remember, congressman marjorie taylor greene, pauls gossart. elise stefanik talked about this earlier today. listen toe what the fourth ranking house republican has the say. she goes back and talks about look, this is about the process and the people. >> for all of my colleagues,
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particularly in new york state, i supported george santos as the nominee, and the people of his district voted to elect him. now we just got out of conference, and george has voluntarily removed himself from committees as he goes through this process. but ultimately, voters decide. >> do you think he should resign? >> again, this process is going to play itself out. >> i mean, ashley, on that point, yes, it is about the voters. but the voters did not vote for this particular person as he really is, right? and just on that point, i want to show everyone some of the new polling we have out here. there is from newsday and college poll, one of the questions is should he resign? in his own district, 78% said yeah. also, if you want to know the breakdown, republicans, democrats, independents. 80% democrats, 72% independents, 71% republicans. so to the larger point, what is he really doing if he is not on
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committees? what is he doing there at all? >> first, in his interview with oan, he lied about not lying. he is everything has been above board. but then it's not. bro, you're lying. just stop. first. second, this is why it was so important about all these deals that were being cut during the speaker vote, because to your point, maybe there was a deal that will put you on committee to become speaker, kevin mccarthy. and now kevin mccarthy has what he wants. so you can be gone, because you're bringing us down, and we want to do some other things with congressman omar. the final thing is that the voters did not get a fair shot to elect the person that george santos -- if they really knew who he was and all the lies, he would not have won. but the reality is that in two years, that seat is going to be up again, if not sooner if he is not forced out of office. and if his behavior sustains for these two years, i have a strong
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premonition that that's going to be a blue seat. and when you have only a four-vote gap right now in the house, and we don't know what 2024 is going to look, santos could really flip your majority with four votes in that district and surrounding districts that we know went red in 2022. they could go blue in 2024. >> the question i have, then, and it's a question for charlie. do you really think if republicans had a 20-seat majority right now, he would still be in congress? >> no. >> right. >> her name is also charlie right now. >> so congressman allison. >> don't put that name up. >> i've been involved as i was on the ethics committee. i was involved with members being forced to resign. it's not a pleasant task. but what usually happened is the members who would resign, because they brought discredit upon themselves and their families and their districts, they could feel shame and they would resign to protect their families and constituents. the challenge we have here with santos, i'm not sure he can feel
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shame. and that's why he is not resigning right now. he should. he should get out. i think the leadership does have more leverage they can pull to force this guy out. >> but the thing is they don't have to get rid of him, because they need his seat. >> even if the dems were in control. >> yes. >> and it was a slim margin, i think they would still push him out. this is literally a play about politics. and stefanik saying let the process go, it's about the people is not being truthful and not being honest and is just a policy -- politics and power play right now. >> let me say this too, there is the moment you're talking about congresswoman ilhan omar. she is on the house foreign affairs committee. this is not a permanent select committee. so mccarthy does not have the unilateral ability to just take her off. things that make you go hmm for a second. congressman matt gaetz coming to her defense. listen. >> i view the shift and swalwell
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matter somewhat differently than i view the ilhan omar matter. the reason americans want to kick her off the committee, they don't like what she has to say. it's one thing to do dangerous things to the country with intelligence. it's quite another to say i don't like your viewpoint, and thus i want to remove you. >> hmm. that's omar's arsenio hall and things that make you go hmm. when we come back, i want to turn to the alarming spread of anti-semitism in this country and what benjamin netanyahu told our own jake tapper about fighting it. that's next.
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as part of his exclusive one-on-one interview with cnn's jake tapper, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu talked about rising anti-semitism and the constant battle against it. >> what i learned from my father and what i've learned from history is you may not be able to eradicate it if it's been around that long, but you have to be able to resist it. and to resist it, first of all the jewish people have to be stand-up proud and be strong. non-jews have to realize that hatred that begins with the jews doesn't end there. it spreads and engulfs. >> a lot to talk about tonight with jonathan greenblatt, ceo and director of the anti-defamation league. thank you for being here this evening. the israeli prime minister also spoke to jake more broadly as well about, really, the roots of
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anti-semitism. i think it's really important to focus on that as well to try to better understand how to eradicate it in part. let me play for you a moment. i want you to respond on the other side what he had to say about the roots and present day. >> my late father was a great historian and was also a historian of anti-semitism. i learned from him that anti-semitism has deep roots. it actually goes back as a doctorate 2500 years to helenistic egypt actually. that's where it gone. 500 years before christianity. and it's taken on shapes, changed shapes, but it basically says -- it holds the jews responsible for all the ills of the world and just purveys these horrible myths about the jewish people. they drink the blood of jewish children. that's what they said -- of christian children. that's what they said in the middle ages. they actually say that about israel today. >> jonathan, just hearing that,
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why? help us to really echo why this is so dangerous today. >> well, i think prime minister netanyahu kind of gets it right. anti-semitism is often described as the oldest hatred. but in today's parlance, it's really a conspiracy theory. it's a warped view of how the world works. laura, it centers suffering on the jewish people as the cause. and, you know, for thousands of years as the prime minister alluded to, jewish people after the expulsion from their ancient homeland in the area we now call israel, jewish people lived as a minority in majoritarian countries. they spoke a different language. they had different rituals. they had different dietary practice, cultural customs. they were ethnically distinct. and they were a convenient scapegoat whether for the emperor or the church or the
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crown or the caliphate or the cossacks and the czar or the third reich. blaming the jews was a way that people in positions of authority could shift the blame for their own failings. and unfortunately, it's mutated over time, but it is persistent and remains with us today. >> i mean, on that point, i have to tell you. i was pretty stunned to see some of the results of the new anti-defamation league survey, and was released earlier this month. and the numbers are stunning. you're talking about the historical context and where we are right now. just for part of it, the survey found that the percentage of americans who believe in anti-semitic tropes has actually spiked in the last three years 85% now believe in at least one anti-jewish trope compared to 61% in 2019. why do you think that is?
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what is contributed or contributes to this cause in the last year alone? >> laura, i'm glad you asked. we've been doing these kinds of polling since the 1960s. so we have a lot of context and a lot of experience. and indeed, in a world in which our leaders are normalizing anti-semitism, whether from the right or from the left, blaming the jewish people or the jewish state, they normalize tropes like globalists. the idea that jews control the banks and wall street and what not. it's become part of the political conversation, laura, in ways that were unimaginable a few years ago. so number one, you have politicians weaponizing anti-semitism. number two, extremists feel emboldened. they can make wild claims, again, about zionists or globalists. these are euphemisms for jews. and usually they're running for office on such wild charges. and thirdly, social media is a
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super spreader of stereotypes. what we're seeing on facebook and twitter and tiktok would make your head spin. taken together, whether it's the extreme right demonizing the jewish people, the radical left demonizing the jewish state we get caught in between. and that's why in addition to the attitudes, laura, anti-jewish incidents have reached an all-time high. we've been tracking that for almost 45 years. we've never seen the kind of numbers, unfortunately, we're seeing today. >> you know, you mentioned politics and while you were talking we were showing on the screen some of the stereotypes that people are thinking are mostly true. but i do want to play for you, because jake tapper did ask netanyahu if he had any concerns on social media about trump potentially being back in the white house in 2024. listen to what his answer was. >> okay. >> i did praise president trump because he did great things for israel. he recognized jerusalem as our captor. he recognized or sovereignty in the golan heights.
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he got out of what i think was the dangerous nuclear deal with iran. he helped forge the four star peace accords with the arab states. he has done great things. i think he made a big mistake on this kanye thing. and i said. so i'm not going to intervene in your politics. you know that. you tried. it's good. then you tried to get me involved in your politics, but you do your job, and i'll do my job. i want to stay away from your politics. let the people decide. >> well, that's a luxury that many don't have to sort of compartmentalize or distance. what do you think? >> well, look, i think b bbibi is smart. he is right about the things trump did for israel. many are positive. i wish he directed policy towards the palestinians more, to be frank. at the same time, i think i disagree with him about the pattern of behavior we have you from the president, from tweeting out anti-jewish "people"s during the campaign to
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charlottesville, diminish, dismissing the alt right marchers to again what was pointed out by dinner with kanye and nick fuentes. kind of inexplicable. look, trump is complicated, laura. he has jewish grandchildren, and yet he is dining with neo-nazis. it's hard to square that. but at the end of the day, what is real and what is undeniable with the rise of anti-semitism, we need jews and non-jews, all people to recognize this problem, as the prime minister said in the earlier segment isn't just a jewish issue, it's everyone's issue. because it starts with the jews, but it never ends with us. it's a sign of decay of democracy. we all have to stand up against hate of all kinds. >> we certainly do. and injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. >> hear, hear. >> thank you very much, nice speaking with you. >> thank you. what is going on at the dallas zoo? we're going to go there next, where two emperor tamarind monkeys that went missing, well, they've now been recovered from a closet in an abandoned home.
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president and ceo of the association of zoos and aquariums who is the former director of the u.s. fish and wildlife service. i want to begin with you here tonight, rosa, on this. we learned a few hours ago that these two tamarin monkeys have been found. what do we know? >> well, according to the dallas police department, they received a tip about this, because they have been asking the public for help. they followed that tip, and they found these two monkeys in an abandoned home inside a closet. there was nobody inside that house and no one was arrested. but, lawyerura, police did rele surveillance video of a person they're not calling a suspect, not a person of interest, but they do say they're interested in speaking to this person in relation to the disappearance of these monkeys. now that individual is wearing a beanie, a hoodie. they're eating chips.
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unclear why that was happening when this photo was taken. but, again, these two monkeys went missing yesterday. and now, laura, we know they didn't just disappear, they wer were recovered today by police. >> what is the dallas police offering today as any potential leads or explanations? >> you know, laura, they're taking this very seriously. the police is conducting a criminal investigation. they say that they're very serious about this. they're trying to figure out about what all this suspicious activity is. they're not going into the potential charges, but they do say this could include animal cruelty. and then when you think about the animals that are being tampered with, or in the case of the vulture has died, some of these animals are vulnerable animals. in the case of the clouded leopard, there is only about 10,000 of those in southeast asia. the vulture is an endangered
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species. that vulture was killed. the zoo says that the cause and manner of death, they're trying to figure that out. but they do say that the death of the vulture was not by natural causes. so they're investigating. they're trying to figure out who killed this vulture. and there is a $10,000 reward for the arrest and the indictment of the individual that's responsible for that. now another obvious question here, are all of these cases related? >> sure. >> the police won't go into those details, but in the case of at least two of these instances, they happened on the same day. so it's difficult to separate those. but again, police taking this very seriously. this is a criminal investigation. and it continues. it's ongoing. >> i want to bring in dan to the conversation, because this is the very latest of incidents in a string of incidents, as rosa mentioned, dan. these two tamarin monkeys were found in the closet of an abandoned home. if anybody is watching the news about what's happening in texas right now, in dallas
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specifically, it's freezing there. and these are warm weather creatures, i understand. they could have died in terms of thinking about what could have happened if they had not been found. >> they could have. and i want to begin by expressing my admiration and appreciation for everyone at the dallas zoo and the dallas police department for the dedication and the seriousness with which they have taken these matters. but yes, removing animals like tamarins from their habitat at the zoo is very dangerous because they do have specific climate conditions. they're receiving expert care at the zoo. so this was definitely a serious issue for their health and safety. >> do you think the dallas zoo is doing enough given the string of events at this point to try to prevent another animal from being impacted? >> absolutely. i think dallas zoo has acted in an exemplary manner. they brought in law enforcement right away. they knew something was wrong.
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and when you think about this, this is really kind of an allegory for what's happening to animals in nature on a much larger scale. humans going into their habitat, taking them out of their habitat, trafficking them, and it is wildlife trafficking and human percent indication and po persecution and poaching is driving animals towards extinction. a human taking them out presumably for personal protection or possibly to traffic them. so what we're seeing here at dallas at the same kind of struggle that we're dealing with in conserving animals in nature. and i think dallas zoo has done an exemplary job. later this year i'll be at dallas zoo actually taking part in a wildlife trafficking event to highlight the challenges associated with protecting animals. even now, as we see in spaces that are designed for their
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safety and protection. >> i mean, the way you phrase it, quite a microcosm of a bigger issue. i do wonder what we'll know about the motives and be able to catch the person who is engaged in this behavior. thank you to you both this evening. >> thank you, laura. >> well, alec baldwin, formally charged today over the fatal shooting on his movie set. we'll tell you what will come next. che? nope. all in one and done. cuh-congestion? better. cough? fever? better. mucinex all in one relieves 9 symptoms in 1 dose. it's not cold and flu season. it's always comeback season. hi, i'm michael, i've lost 70 pounds on golo. i spent thousands on other diets that didn't work. on golo, i spent a couple hundred bucks and got back down to my high school weight. you're not gonna believe this thing is possible but it is.
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set of the movie "rust." the santa fe county d.a.'s office charging baldwin and the set's armorer hannah gutierrez-reed with two counts of involuntary manslaughter. cnn has reached out to representatives of both baldwin and gutierrez-reed following today's charges. we have yet to hear back. but attorneys for both defendants previously insisted their respective clients are innocent. back with elliot williams. also with me prop gun safety founder dutch merrick. and former maryland state police officer neill franklin. glad to have you all here. we begin with you, dutch, on this in particular. the documents are really laying out a series of actions that they believe are negligent, including him not taking firearm training seriously, having a cell phone distraction moment. also about the idea of the pointing of the gun in particular. and i want to go there, because certainly there is common sense that says you should never point a gun at someone.
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and there is obvious reasons why. i do wonder if from your experience, though, we were talking about a movie set in particular, which is the crux of this issue. are the standards notably different because of the pantomiming and the scene setting? >> yeah, they absolutely are different. there is real world gun handling, and then there is motion picture gun handling, and we have a slightly different set of rules. in real world, they say never point the gun at another person or something you don't want to destroy. in the film world, we always say point it in a safe direction. a safe direction is open to interpretation. we might visit pointed at a camera, but there will be a polycarbon there to shield that. i think they're putting so much onus on the actor. he, in my experience, we're supposed to safety the stage as though the actor -- so that the actor can play fully, almost like a 4-year-old. so they can completely be in that character and in that space and not worrying about any other
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details. so we make it very realistic, and ultimately, entirely safe. so hence blank use for over 100 years. it looked like a real gun. they act like a real gun, but nothing comes out the barrel except for fire. no bullets. >> on that point, neil, baldwin insists he did not fire the revolver, that it just, quote, went off. the d.a.'s office saying they had fbi analysis done and found that to be not truthful. the weapon somehow malfunctioned. what do i don'you think? >> i think whether on the set of a movie or in some other situation, you should always take gun safety very, very seriously. so even in that -- as dutch said, even though you want them in this role where they can act for instance, like a 4-year-old and do what they need to do in that acting situation, when it comes to pointing a gun in a safe direction, it's still your
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responsibility. everyone's responsibility who handles that firearm to check, to make sure that it is either loaded or unloaded or whether it has blanks or it doesn't have blanks, and to have someone else check with you at the same time. you just want to check yourself. you check and then you show it to someone else. they check with you so it can be confirmed what the condition of the firearm. and pulling a trigger, if you have taken the course seriously, you know that if you just don't have to pull the trigger for that firearm to discharge. pulling the hammer back will do the very same thing, depending upon the firearm. >> elliott, we bring you in here. one point that dutch raised is the idea of a lot of onus being on the actor, and the assumptions that ought to be able to be relied upon, if you have this safe space. but he is notably alec baldwin. again, there is somebody else, hannah gutierrez-reed also charged. and another producer who has pleaded guilty already to a different charge. but he is also being charged and factored in as a producer as
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well. and that's been a big sticking point for you. >> it is. because he's -- and what they do in this probable cause statement where they lay out why they're charging him or what the basis for the charges, number one, these are all the things alec baldwin the actor did, sort of failing in his duty as an actor. and as a producer who had some responsibility for what happened on the set. even if we're not looking at him as an actor, this is how the producer failed the set. they're sort of putting forward two alternative theories for how he went wrong. what this comes down to and what any manslaughter is going to come down to is called reasonableableness. was this person's actions, how does it relate to how a reasonable, quote, unquote person would have acted in the same circumstances. dutch had said a little earlier a lot of things were open to interpretation like what ought to be the right way to behave on a movie set either as an actor or producer. we'll see how it plays out. >> he is saying he is more of a
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creative producer, not the nuts and bolts. does that make a difference? >> well, the prosecutor seems to disagree with him. regardless of whether he is a creative producer. that's the thing, i think they used the term principle producer. he had a senior management role there. that's what they're hanging their hat on here. it's hard to say how this comes out, given how sifbt it all is. >> we're a long way away from this being resolved. everyone, we are out of time tonight. i thank you all for watching. our coverage continues. nothing s on more surfaces than lysol disinfectant spray. [girl coughs] and when it comes to your laundry, adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% of illness-causing bacteria detergents leave behind. lysol. what it takes to protect.
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