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tonight. down but not out. mike waltz demoted as president trump gives secretary marco rubio another title. i have an inside look at how the first big shakeup of trump's second term unfolded today. plus hitting the bottom line, tim cook just revealed exactly how much money he believes that president trump's tariffs could cost apple and what it means for iphone users. also tonight, elon musk is lashing out at a report that tesla's board was planning to replace him as he shares his thoughts on doge compares himself to buddha, and also dishes about sleepovers in the lincoln bedroom. i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source. tonight, the trump turnover has returned because after burning through top advisers at a record pace in his first term, the relative stability when it comes to his staffing this time around has been a noticeable change. i say was because president trump ousted his national security

adviser, mike wallace, from that key role today, making it the first major overhaul in his senior team. let me take you what happened inside the white house today. just a few moments ago, president trump finally acknowledged that he was indeed ousting mike wallace as his national security advisor. he announced on a truth social post that instead, he is going to nominate wallace as the next ambassador for the u.s. to the united nations. that's a role he'll carry out if senate confirmed in new york. and the president instead says he is making the secretary of state, marco rubio, the next interim national security advisor, meaning he'll serve in both positions, something that we haven't seen at the white house since henry kissinger did. so for president richard nixon. we're standing here on the south lawn waiting for president trump to exit the oval office right over there. we have not yet heard from him in person on the first major shakeup of his second term. that is the ouster of the national security advisor, mike wallace, who he says he will be tapping to go be

the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. we'll wait to see what he has to say about that. if he speaks to reporters as he leaves the white house and heads for alabama. mr. president, any comment on mike waltz? any comment on mike waltz, mr. president? so we just left the south lawn departure. president trump did not come over and speak to reporters despite shouted questions about his outgoing national security advisor mike wallace. now, this change means that, if confirmed, wallace will be trading his corner office in the west wing that is just a few steps away from the oval office for when this 200 miles and a plane ride away in new york. and speaking of flights, i had been hearing from sources all week that something was going on with mike wallace. his role was in limbo. i was told a lot of it had to do, in part because of this moment from the president's trip to michigan on tuesday. now you're looking at the south lawn. this is walt's boarding marine one with president trump at the white house. reporters are standing there watching. it's about a ten minute flight to here, joint base andrews, where they landed and noticed

there. walt's does not get on air force one. he doesn't climb the stairs with president trump and the rest of the senior aides who were traveling. now, that obviously raised some questions why he took the flight there but didn't actually get on the plane. i was told he was not on the manifest for air force one, but it still raised a lot of eyebrows. cut to today, of course, and he is now ousted from this role. and all of this happened so quickly. the state department spokesperson was informed in the middle of a press conference by my colleague kylie atwood that her boss, secretary of state rubio, was going to be taking over walt's position. >> do you know how long he's going to be serving in both roles? >> it is clear that i just heard this from you. i had i this is the magic. >> heads up. >> that this was i. i have some insights as to the potential of certain things that might happen. but when the president and this, of course, is all presidential decisions. right? so i'm with the state

department, i it is as i think would be clear to all of you, you don't want to get ahead of your skis in drawing conclusions. >> now, walt's position in the president's inner circle had been tenuous even before he had added a reporter to a chat on signal, where then the defense secretary, pete hegseth, sent and talked about sensitive military operations, because as far back as the transition, there were some people in trump's orbit who speculated that walt could actually be the first to be fired. obviously, it's much, much easier to fire a national security adviser than it is a cabinet official. and even though he wrote two days ago about the 100 days of national security winds, waltz's foreign policy views never really fully meshed with the president's, and he at times clashed with other senior aides inside the west wing. now, the official who is responsible for accidentally exposing the administration's use of signal is leaving the west wing, but not before inadvertently showing everyone that they are apparently still using it. look at what a reuters photographer

captured yesterday. waltz, checking his phone in yesterday's cabinet meeting. and there it is, signal and you can see the messages with the secretary of state, trump's special envoy, the director of national intelligence. and there at the end, j.d. vance, the vice president, all on the screen. now, the white house didn't deny that he was using signal they couldn't really give him. you could see it in that picture. and instead a spokesman wrote tonight, quote, signal is an approved app that is loaded onto our government phones. thank you for your attention to this matter. my sources tonight are an experienced group of former top national security and intelligence officials. it's great to have you all here. beth, let me just start with you. in terms of what you make of this being the first big departure that we are seeing from from trump's inner circle, even if they are framing it as a promotion, essentially. yeah. >> you know. >> i may. >> shock people here, but. >> i actually think this is a good move. >> and i. >> think it's. >> a good move because it wasn't working. this this

particular position is. so important in coordinating and making sure that the president's. >> policy is being executed. >> and he was failing. >> in that. when you look at the signal. >> chat and you. read it like. >> an intel officer, you. >> can see that he was not executing. his role as. >> national security adviser. >> he was not providing that. strategic vision. he was not telling. >> everybody to stop. the president had already made a decision. >> he wasn't offering to go to the. >> president to do the decision. i feel like. >> he was. >> doing a bad job. and i think that the president should have someone there who is of the same mind and and implementing his policies. >> yeah. i wonder what you make of how this all came down in terms of, you know, it was reported this morning, there was a rumor that he was going to be ousted and his principal deputy. then we confirmed it. the white house kind of waited a little bit before actually getting to to this. and the vice president, j.d. vance, he weighed in tonight because president trump was not answering questions. and this is what he had to say.

>> so it wasn't let go. he is being made ambassador to the united nations, which of course is a senate confirmed position. i think he can make a good argument that it's promotion. the media. wants to. >> frame this as a firing. >> donald trump has fired a lot of people. he doesn't give them senate confirmed appointments afterwards. what he thinks is that mike waltz is going to better serve the administration, most importantly, the american people in that role. >> do you think it's viewed that way as a promotion? >> absolutely not. there's no comparison between these two jobs. >> in terms of which is more significant. the national security advisor to the president of united states. >> you are literally a. >> heartbeat away from every one of the most. >> significant national security decisions. >> a president. >> will ever make, or that's the way it's supposed to work. the. >> i think it's from the first administration, the first. >> trump administration. it was pretty clear that. >> he. >> the president wasn't quite. >> wasn't particularly interested. >> in what was going on at the un. he's not someone who has ever made that a priority of his national security decisions. so, no. >> i think.

>> everything about this course of events, the way this played out today, there are several indicators of a of a distinct lack of preparation. the fact that the reporting came out early this morning and then it wasn't refuted or acknowledged in any way for hours. eventually this this kind of what appears to have been a late idea, this plot hatches to move him into the into the un ambassador's role. i mean, each piece of this has the kind of reek of like, hey, that's a good idea, let's do that. >> well, and that reuters photo would be remarkable, even if he had not been removed from this position, because, i mean, this was just taken yesterday. he happened to be checking his phone. these cabinet meetings go on for for quite some time. and he was using signal, which is notable because, yes, the steven jiang at the white house is saying, you know, this is on our phones, it's downloaded. the president did just say the other day that he wanted people to stop using signal, and said that was his his piece of advice is, hey, maybe don't use it. >> well, look, i will say this if. >> you want to communicate. >> with anybody, right? >> you want to use text messages

which are easily hackable. >> you want to use whatsapp. >> you want. >> to use signal if you're going to use one thing, if you're going to make regular phone calls. we know the we know the chinese are all over our telecom networks, right? we learned that in the in the salt typhoon attack. if you're going to use something might as well use signal. at least it's encrypted end to end, right. not ideal, but better than regular regular old phones. >> but don't. >> they have their own. >> system that they could be using a government system? i mean, they're not us at this table. no, no. >> i'm with you. i'm with you 100%. but what we know for sure is if those systems were effective and usable, we wouldn't. we'd be using them. right? the reality is, the government doesn't have the kind of messaging apps that are on the cia officials desktops. they don't have those on mobile phones. they just don't aren't there. they're not effective. they're not usable to the extent you have them there on these phones. you got to put a pack on the back. you got to you got to you got to, you know, log into it. it's a pain in the butt to use. that's why you have to using signal if you're going to do something, if you're going to pick up your phone and talk to the secretary of state or talk to the cia director, talk to tulsi gabbard. you know, you could see an incoming voice call for tulsi gabbard on that one. i'd rather do it on signal than anything else. not great. better

than the alternatives. >> not a chance, you two. >> this this side of the table seems to disagree with that. >> those phones you described. well, they are clunky. they are hard to use because they are so secure. they're provided to you by the federal government. they have layers and layers of security protocols built in that no commercial device has. and i would also say that cabinet level officials have the easiest access to that stuff of anyone on the planet. so they've got entire staffs to provide them with things that are ready. to use and signal. it is encrypted in transit, so protected from being picked off, but it is decrypted on your phone. so anyone who gets into your phone, if you're not deleting the messages can see what you've the messages, you'reot deletg mplying with the government. >> presidential records act. >> records act, an >> it's 'not approved for classified. >> information. >> of course. >> right. well, we don't know. >> we don't know what's. >> on there. we don't know what's on there. >> but. well, we saw one of. >> the. >> chats, to be fair. can we talk about this dynamic though, that has been set up here, which i think is really interesting in

terms of secretary of state. rubio is going to be doing both. i mean, and for people who don't know, he he is now the secretary of everything, it seems, because he is already acting as the acting usaid administrator. he's the national archivist, he's secretary of state, obviously. and now he is going to be the interim nsa. i mean, what do you take something that has not been done since kissinger was doing that for president nixon? >> a little different nixon era watergate. >> but what do you make of that? i mean, how many responsibilities is that for secretary rubio? >> it's ridiculous. but i think what it reflects are two things. one is that they weren't ready for this. so this was like, ooh, who can we put in there? oh, this kind of makes sense. they're kind of the same jobs, right? they're not. they're actually you're supposed to as the national security adviser, adjudicate everybody else. and state and dod are always fighting. but it also to me shows that this job doesn't actually matter to them. i think this is one of the issues. >> that's interesting. >> is that, you know, president trump has always felt that he is the one. and we see it all the time. he's the one who will be

making these decisions. and he has a lot of confidence in his own ability to do that. and he will bring people in. but it is really he and witkoff and they'll bring in a couple people, but it's not the necessarily the national security advisor who is that trusted person? >> yeah. well, i mean, just the short timeline of all of this. we have someone also here who is joining us, who knows what it's like to to feel the full force of west wing personnel decisions by president trump, the former white house communications director, anthony scaramucci joins me now. and anthony, we booked you because you wrote on twitter this morning after this was reported, you said waltz last 9.2 scaramucci's you then did correct it. to be fair, you said 9.18. scaramucci are you surprised that he made it to 9.18? scaramucci as you have mathematically deduced here. >> i you know, you said nine earlier today. >> dana bash i sort. >> of feel like we have to be. >> generous to these people.

>> and you corrected me. >> yeah. so let's let's. >> round up. but listen. >> you know, he he. >> he should have. >> been fired, you. >> know, for scaramucci years ago. >> this is. >> you know, this is a. >> very binary thing. >> you shouldn't be using signal. even the. >> president himself said not to use it. he continues to use it. and it's very binary. and so what i think the president has basically told people he doesn't want to fire people, he doesn't want scalps. he's fighting a great culture war. he's sort of like the general napoleon of the culture war sees the battlefield ahead. he doesn't want the liberal mainstream media, all the stuff that he says to get scalps of people in his administration. and so this is the main reason why waltz hasn't left the administration. he was fired from that job. and even though the vice president says he wasn't demoted, he was demoted. i think it's a tell here. the president doesn't want to let him go, because he doesn't want to do what he did in his first administration fire his first

national security advisor after 22 or 23 days. i don't think he had any problem firing me, by the way, when he fired me at, like, 4:00, he sent out a tweet saying it was a fantastic day in the white house. so i don't think he had any problem firing me. but i think gener, he doesn't want to fire peopl right now, i think he, i think he's and even if they're act like amateurs or they do really silly things like put our battle plans out on things like whatsapp he's not going to fire them because he thinks it's part of the culture war. >> i don't think this would happen here. we don't have any reporting that it would. but do you do you believe part of that is to stem people from writing books? i mean, i was watching john bolton earlier, talking to anderson. he wrote a book when he was leaving the west wing that trump got in a huge fight with him about a legal battle. do you think that has anything to do with it? >> you know, listen again, this is just my gut. i don't i think it's more related to it's us versus them. they're coming for us. they want our scalps. if you've come to work for me,

i'm going to protect you. and i think that he's also, you know, listen, he probably offered that un job to a number of different people that didn't take it. he's he's got a group of people. if you see the cabinet meetings, you know, you guys left this out. you know rubio gets like an a plus on the flattery. i mean the level of sycophancy coming from rubio. he i mean, i think if he continues this, he'll end up with like 6 or 7 more jobs before this is over. so so they sit around in there and they chant good things to the president. and i've been with the president where he laughs at these people. so i mean, you know, they're chanting to him and they think they're currying favor with him. but he's down deep. he's laughing at them. so you know rubio rubio's there now. he gets the extra job waltzes out. but remember there was also a fight between waltz and vance related to iran. don't forget that part of the story. you know, one was more hawkish. the other one was trying to take a more reticent approach. and i think that contributed to this. >> yeah, that seems to have had a lot to do with this. i do think that's important to

stress to people is our reporting is this is not just about signal gate and signal. and jeffrey goldberg being added. it also has to do really with waltz himself. and what we're seeing is his hawkish foreign policy views, certainly compared to the other people that he was working alongside in this national security space. and i wonder, you know, we often hear that trump likes to have different voices around who who do have different views. but clearly, waltz was not really someone who was ever fully meshed with them in terms of how they view the world and the united states's role in it. >> you know, some of that. but, i mean, i think, i think the hawkishness was really tied into how the israelis felt about the situation. and i think, you know, this is something you have to give the president credit for. you want to be balanced? he doesn't like the wars. he doesn't like dropping the missiles. and so not going after iran in this situation. i applaud that. frankly, i think

the americans are exhausted, by these proxy wars, and we're exhausted by that, that fight. and maybe we can solve that problem through diplomacy. so, you know, there's a lot of different reasons why he got demoted. but if we're going to pretend that he didn't get demoted, that's all part of the whole thing. we're going to pretend that the stock market's down because of joe biden and the the people are economy's down, jobs are getting cut. apple is telling people at the end of the quarter, they got $900 million of additional costs this coming quarter. and we're going to pretend that that's all joe biden. so we want to keep the lies going. that's fine. but this guy got demoted. it was a little bit of an amateur situation. he also got tied up with the vice president related to iran. but the president is fighting a culture war. he didn't want to give a scalp to the media. and so he's going to be the un ambassador. >> if he's senate confirmed. i imagine democrats may have a few questions about signal. we'll see. anthony scaramucci to my team of experts here as well at the table. thank you all so much

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>> was it a direct. >> result of the signal, chad? i mean, you were on that chat and we saw the fallout from it. is this a result of that? >> no it's not. >> bret. >> my source tonight, maryland democrat congressman jamie raskin, who is the ranking member of the house judiciary committee. and congressman, it's great to have you here tonight. i wonder what you think this change means as the white house is arguing, you know, he's not being demoted, but he is moving to to the un if he gets confirmed. what do you think it means for how the administration operates in the national security space? >> i don't think it makes much of a difference at all. i mean, all of the chaos and corruption flow right out of donald trump's head. so it doesn't really make any difference who you surround him with. >> do you agree with your fellow democrats who say trump fired the wrong guy here? if this is about signal gate, because it was secretary hegseth who sent the military operation plans to this group chat on signal. >> well. >> hegseth is clearly

unqualified for the job, and i mean in a cabinet of very close calls, he might be the most unqualified. although, admittedly, there are several others in the running, including robert f. kennedy jr.. >> does it give you any pause to see the white house continuing to use. signal, and you know what is going on with that? after we saw the reuters photo that captured walt was still using it when he was in the cabinet and just in the cabinet room just yesterday. and just before you answer that, you questioned former fbi officials about this at a hearing just last month. i want to play to to our crowd. what? you heard what you said. >> if this. >> were a standard practice, just a yes or no, do you. >> think it would be a problem? >> that would be a problem, yes. >> mr. stout. >> can you say would it be a problem for it to be a standard practice to conduct sensitive foreign policy on a signal chat group? >> yes i would. >> okay. and, mr. whitson, do you agree? >> yes.

>> your thoughts on that, now that we know that they're still using it? >> well, it's obviously a standard practice. they tried to make it seem as if it were some kind of isolated episode, but they've got no real concern for information leaking out. and the truth is, i'm even more concerned about the deliberate channels of communication they have with the enemies of american democracy. i mean, if you take the guy who has been nominated to be u.s. attorney for the district of columbia, ed martin, he's someone who had more than 150 appearances on russia today and sputnik, which were forced to register as foreign agents of the russian government. and he didn't disclose those to the u.s. senate when he filled out his forms to become the u.s. attorney. and so there are so many direct. back channels to the russian government that i'm not even sure that they have to spend time gathering all the breadcrumbs from the signal chat

rooms. >> congressman, can i get your response to to some breaking news tonight? as i just mentioned, you're ranking member on judiciary. we're hearing from politico tonight that the supreme court justice, ketanji president trump's attacks on judges. and i want to i want to quote what she what she said tonight, that she said these attacks are not random. they seem designed to intimidate. and the threats and harassment are not. attacks are attacks on our democracy and on our system of government, and they ultimately risk undermining our constitution and the rule of law. what do you make of that? >> justice jackson is absolutely right. and she's echoing, of course, chief justice roberts, who a couple of weeks ago said that the correct response to a district court opinion you disagree witis to appealhe opinion not to try and impeach the judge or, you know, others have said, go online and malign and vilify the judge. and that has led, in turn to all kinds of threats against judges, justices

and their families. we know that justice amy coney barrett's sister received a bomb threat. other justices and other judges have been receiving these threats, so i'm glad that justice jackson spoke out in this way to support judicial independence. and i wish that my colleagues in the house who are republicans would quit their campaign to impeach judges for doing their jobs. we've impeached 15 federal judges in american history, always for something like bribery or corruption or habitual drunkenness on the bench. we've never impeached a judge for a substantive disagreement about legal doctrine, much less when they're right. our colleagues can't even say what these judges have gotten wrong. i mean, if you take the president's executive order purporting to repeal birthright citizenship in america, that was struck down by four different judges, biden, judge and obama judge, a bush judge and a reagan judge who said it was the easiest case he had decided in more than four decades on the bench because it was so

blatantly unconstitutional. >> well, and this comes as we heard, you know, a lot of these attacks have stemmed from from them blocking on on doing things, including on immigration. and today we saw a federal judge who was appointed by president trump, ruled that his use of the alien enemies act is unlawful. i wonder what you make of that and how you expect the administration to respond to that, because it's obviously different than what we've seen other judges say in this front. >> it was a superb decision by a trump nominated judge from texas who stated the obvious, which is that we are not at war with venezuela. if we're going to be at war with venezuela, that's a congressional decision. we have power to declare war. nor has venezuela invaded the united states. invasion means a military invasion. the court found it, and there the court found, and therefore this statute is not the proper basis for deporting anyone from the country at all. and if you want to deport people for alleged crimes, then you bring them to

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pointing to the tariff policy. there are people looking at their 401 s that are worried. what do you tell them? is this going to work? >> so the first thing is when you talk about the economy, this is joe biden's economy. and we inherited $2 trillion of debt, the highest peacetime deficits in american history, a $1.2 trillion trade deficit, which. fundamentally means we're not making enough. >> of our own stuff. >> joining me now is rahm emanuel, the former mayor of chicago and former ambassador to japan under president biden. it's great to have you, ambassador. 102 days in. do you believe that this is joe biden's economy? >> well. >> look, if the economic numbers were different, they would be taking the trump administration would be taking credit for it. while a lot of people focused on the gdp numbers, and that was a 2.4% growth to a -3.3%, that's a 2.7 swing. a lot of it one had to do with the fact that there

were so much imports opposite of what the terrorists were supposed to do. >> so people. >> are trying to get ahead of something negative. the number to me, that was more. >> because people were bringing in so many. >> yes. yes. because they because they because the tariffs were such an economic problem. number two, the real number, in my view, that wasn't really focused on was the anemic job performance that caught the last month of basically of march. that is totally under president trump. and that was both job number income growth. those were very anemic. and that's the flashing yellow sign. so i understand why the headline of the economic contraction got the attention for both the white house for all of us, but for the congress also. that's up in 2026. that is a troubling number. and that tells you why people have soured on the president's tenure. his this is the first time. >> why is that the flashing yellow sign? >> because it tells you both. it's a reflection of consumer confidence, or lack thereof.

it's a reflection also of the economy not growing. and it's going to have political and economic ramifications. and i think that that to me is the troubling sign, both on a political level and an economic level. and i do think one of the things that i think will come across here is that if this is already slow up on the job numbers, you're going to see even greater problems going forward. it's not going to bounce back because the tariffs were such a kind of. throwing a boulder in the water and the ripple effect and the aftershocks are we haven't even just begun. layer one. the rings on this are going to really grow out well. >> and we had a republican senator in this seat the other day, markwayne mullin, a huge ally of the president. and he was saying, just wait for the trade deals. they are working on these trade deals. they're going to come kevin hassett is one of the president's top economic advisers. and listen to what he teased earlier today. >> secretary lutnick and jamison greer are making progress with numerous countries. i think it's more than 20 now where we actually have hard offers on the table. i'm sure there will be

news by the end of the day. >> so you. >> don't know. >> if. >> it's who's. >> first, if it's india or south korea or what's going on with japan. can you tease us? can you give us anything? can you? i think. >> i know, but i can't. >> tease. >> i mean, it's 9:38 p.m. we have not heard any announcements about trade deals from the white house. >> you're not, first of all. show stop. they're not trade deals. trade deal is an 18 month at minimum process to work through all of it. you may get a term sheet that has an outline. i think this is a desperate parachute poll by the white house, because they saw how bad the tariffs impacted both the real economy as well as the financial markets, and they're trying to call them trade deals. they'll just be term sheets that will take years, months over, well over 12 months to figure out the details to this, because they need to somehow put a floor under what was basically a collapse. they're not trade deals. >> you were just the ambassador to japan. i mean, they're. trying to strike a trade deal. word. word has it on the street. yeah. how do you think they're viewing all of this? are they going to. are they getting close? are they?

>> you know, it's interesting you say that. i assume they're getting close because japan, for four consecutive years was the number one foreign direct investment in the united states. over nearly half of their jobs by japanese companies are in manufacturing and industrial. second, japan's a big purchaser of u.s. agricultural products. third, japan is also either number one or number two, largest holder of u.s. treasuries. while they are desirous of the u.s. market and economy, and a big investor and confidence in the united states, they also have leverage here. and so it's in the and also any way we want to deal with china economically through sanctions. you need japan standing shoulder to shoulder with. >> you and south korea as well. and i wonder, given all this economic turmoil and the blame on president biden coming from the white house, we're starting to see more dems who are, you know, putting their toe in the water for 2028, people like pete buttigieg. he's about to headline a veterans town hall in iowa. we're seeing others go out. is this what you think they should be focusing on? what

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is, is removed so the grants are gone so that there's a lot of work required to restart the waste and fraud. and and that that will at least slow it down. >> joining me tonight, my white house insiders, reuters jeff mason and politico's dasha burns. jeff, i wonder what you make of what you heard from musk tonight in terms of what he believes is going to be the future of this project? >> well. >> my question would be who's going to take over? because even though he says it's going to continue without me, having a figurehead has been a big part of this process. >> and that figurehead in. >> particular, and that figurehead in particular is exactly right. and somebody who has the kind of influence and access to president trump that elon musk has had. so i think you just have to assume it's going to change things a little bit in terms of momentum and or in terms of logistics. but president trump is all in and has been all in on doge from the very beginning, in large part because he's all in on elon musk. so i you know, i don't think he's wrong to say that

it's going to continue even when he steps back. >> yeah, that's a good question. does it does it look the same if it doesn't have someone who has the standing, the stature that elon musk does with the president? >> well, elon musk. >> is also. >> what drew so much attention. positive and negative. >> let's be clear. >> remember all of those town halls, right. >> so if this very, very well known massive personality isn't in charge of it anymore, could they actually potentially get more done behind the scenes when people aren't looking? and remember, elon musk is also the guy that crashed. trump loved him, but he clashed with just about every cabinet secretary. when you hegseth rubio. i mean, name everyone at that table this week. he had a problem with at some point. >> yeah. and he was asked tonight about the programs and cuts, programs and grants that have been cut at nih, which obviously, you know, we've been hearing from doctors, from former health secretaries how important they are for research and what that looks like. and i want you to listen to to what how musk described it tonight.

>> generally like like these programs, these grants are going to be like along the lines of save the baby pandas. and it's like, well, of course, who wouldn't want to save the baby pandas? and, and, you know, in some cases, they've got a show panda, which they will, they will try it out for special occasions. in a lot of cases, they don't even have a show. panda. no, panda, there's not even one panda because we asked for pictures and we don't even get one panda. >> i mean, that's certainly not how it's been described. >> we need to get more creative with our metaphors around here. >> it's kind of tough for me to follow that one. >> yeah, my reaction to that is is he's good at coming up with a sound bite that's going to that's going to make some traction. but the sound bite that i remember was from the oval office the first time that he sort of appeared before the press with president trump. i happened to be in the office or in the oval that day, and he said, we'll make mistakes. and the mistakes that you make when you're at that level and you're

cutting jobs and you're cutting programs. >> remember the example he brought up was, oh, we accidentally cut some funding for ebola prevention. oops. we we brought that back. right. so those cuts weren't. indeed insignificant. >> these are these are mistakes that have that affect human lives. and that's a big deal. that's a bigger deal than a baby panda. >> well, also, we reported here last night, the wall street journal, saying that that tesla had been looking for a new ceo to replace him. they essentially initiated this search. elon musk angrily responded to that today in all caps going after the wall street journal, they had claimed that they had not reached out. the journal says that they did, but i think that also speaks to a lot of why we're seeing this happening now. him leaving, even though he's far short of of the goal that he initially set here. >> right. i think that there was a lot of friction within the white house. he and trump may be getting along, but the way that he was going about this job, i mean, there are a lot of republicans and democrats that agree there's a lot of government waste. you can make it more efficient. you can make

it more effective. but the method, the chainsaw that is now so infamous wasn't the way to do it. >> yeah. what about the buddhism quote? jeff, i'd love to get your thoughts. when he was asked last night about who would fill his place, the new york times reports that musk said doge is a way of life like buddhism. when he was pressed, he said, is buddha needed for buddhism? >> i think people at the elon musk level think highly of themselves and will compare themselves to deities, apparently, and heroes. et cetera. that's clearly what he's doing here. but i, i, i feel like it's worth piggybacking on your last question about the tesla company and the tesla stock. i mean, what what elon did over the last three months, whether you like it or not, was transformative. he's also transformed his own companies by having stepped back and basically allowing the stock price to go down because he wasn't active. and by creating the dissatisfaction that. >> he did and tying himself so closely to this administration. >> not in the way that board

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