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>> his party, will. >>ublicans turhis plan into realitythe architect behind therump aa, white house budget director russ vought andouse democratic leader hakeem jeffries, both joined mexclusively and pushing the limits. more turmoi >> we're going to bring it from 25% to 50%. as takes on the courtsnd the world. the level of corrupti is stunning. back. plus, geing ouof dogins me governmentsays goodbye to >> this is. >> not the end. >> of. >> doge, but really e beginning. >> but is trump saying farewell or good riddance? my panel of political experts will break it downhello, i'm dana bash in washington, ere the state of our union is watchinpresidt tru's policy goals collide with reality as he swept into office a second time, the presidt immediely ben to overha the federal government. from tariffs to doge cuts to a showy deportation pocy. this
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week, me of his move fast, eak things stregy stted to bble wh the dramatic court ruling on his tariff policy now in limbo. and elon musk is leavg governnt falng short of his own goals for reshaping the feral governme and ng he's disappointed in the president's own spending and x cut bill that is splitting republicans in theenate. meanwhile, democrats facing steep oblems of their own with voters, are trying for ahow of strength against trump's bill, even though they don't have the votes to stop it. here with me now is the house democratic leader, hakeem jeffries. thank you so much for being here this morning, sir. i want tstart with that bill. you have vow to keep the pressure on d stop it from becoming law. obviously, you're in the minority. same goes with democrats in the senate. how will you do that? >> trump's one big ugly bill narrowly escaped the house o representatives. and we' going to continue to pss our
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case across the country, partner with senate democrats in making clear to the americapeople the type of mage that thisill would do if it ever became law. this bill actually hurts everydaymerica in order to reward billionaires, it would strip aw heah care from approxately 14 milli americs. preums, co-pays a deductles for tens of llions more will go up. actlly, if it ever were toe implemented to law, hospitals will close, nursing homes will shut down, and people will literally die. at the same time, this bill represents the largest cut to nutritional assistance in american history. it takes food out of the mof children, seniors and veterans. and alof this is being done in order to enact maive tax breaksor thr billionairdonors le elon musk. and then they want to thbill, increase the debt by
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more than $5 trillion. so i pect that you'll see strong democratic opposition in the sena, just like there was strong democratic oppositin the house. and the bill just rrowlyscaped the house of representives. >>ou madthese arguments bere it ssed the house. democrats are going to make that gument ithe senate. but again, you don't have the votes. so wh makes you think th what you' saying will prevail anchan the outcome? >> the bill is deeply unpopular. ifou gback to where we were in 2017, where republicans, after several failed attempts, finally got their effort to repeal the affordable care act t of the house of representatives. but it limped out of the hsend then failed in t senate. i think the one g uglyill is setting up for a similar fate, but can't le our footff theas pedal >> i want to ask you about something that happened in you home state of new rk in e pastouple days, congressm
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jey nadler said that dhs ents entered h congressional office on wednesday witht a warranand handcuffed member of his staff. this, of course, mes after the trump justice depament charged democratic with obstructing agents ve after an altercation aa facity in nerk, new jersey. now, inow you previously warn that the administration chargi members of congressas a, quo, reline. what are you doing now that the red line you talked about has apparently be sed? >> well, let me ma clear that thhouse is a sarate and co-equal branch government, the congress. don't work for donald trump. we don't work for work for elon . we work for the american peoe. and we have a respsibili to serve as a checand balance on an out-of-controlxecutive bh. ueprint thatas giveno us by theramers othe united statesdemocry that we have
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riteover tast centurie and so 're going to ngreional responsility, notwithstandineffortby the intimidate democts. ' try to unrtunatthat our republican colleagues connue to be nothing more tharubbertamps for trump'reckle and extreme enda. anthe erican pple, i thk, will ultimately rect thatext year, whene wi ta back control the hse of representativesin the meantime, in terms of how will respond to at trump and the administtion has endeavored tdo, we will make thatecision in a te, pla and manner oour choosing. but the respon will continuous, and it will me the moment that is required. >>hat exacy does that mean? haveou not decided how to respond? >> we've publicly respded in variety of drent ways. we things that matake pce with
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respecto ourongressional overght auority d cacity. will spond in a ti, place,nd manner of our choosing. if this continues to happ. >> dyou beeve, ajerry nadl said, that th administraon is ying to inmidate? democrats? >> i think the admistration is early trying to intimite the country. this wholshock and awe strategy, this fod the zone with outragus behavior that they've tried to unleash on the american peopleuring the rst few mohs of the trumadministration, is all pearance of inevitability. but dold trump hasrned an pele aren't terest in ican bending the knee to a wannabe king. it's the reas why dona trump actually is the most unpopular president at this point of a presidency in american histo. the american peopleave rected this
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apoach, d we as congressional democrats will continue to ject this approach. >> mr. leader, you brought up polls. so let me tell you about a new one that just came out here at cnn this morning. it shows that only 19% of americans say that your party can get things done. 36 say the same about republicans and just 16% say your pty h strong leaders. it's ettyough. an you are one of those leaders. how do you tn that around? >> yeah,e don't have the presidency right n, so that's always going to be challenging. a few mont after a presidential election. but we have to continue to make the case one that democrats, of se, are the party that is dermined to make life more affordable for everyday americans, forard working erican taxpayers, thate believe that we need to lower the high cost of livin which for dedes s been going up, while e size of the middle class has be going down. so understandably, there's real
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frustration amongst the american people. th should be frustrated, but they're frustrated with. >> you as well. democrats as well. >>hey're of course, they're frustrated with the system. but think you're aware of this. every single public poll that has me out since the trump presidcy has had congressional decrats winning the genec ballot against conessional republicans. and in fact, we kn this is n simpl profile special eltion, iowa in january, neyork in the wisconsin state supreme h, court ce iapril, and most recely in aha. the mayor's race in may. democrats he won. the american people are actually being very clear and decisive in saying who they trust more to govern. >> we're going to have to leave it there. hakeem jeffries, the leader of house democrats, apeciate you being here this
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morning. >> thank you. >> and he spent years mapping out the steps that president trump isow taking in office, mostly behind the scenes. but up next, white hoe budget director russ vought wiljoin me here exclusy on wt's nextn the president's power play. and then senator chris murphy will join me to respond. >> weight loss. >> for so long. >> i felt stuck. >> i tried and tried again. lost weight, gained it back. >> but means change is. >> for adults with. >> obesity to help lose weight and keep. >> it off. >> it's changing what i believe. >> is possible when it comes to weight loss. >> it's changing. >> how much weight i lose up to 48 pounds. >> and some. >> lost over 58 pounds.
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administration's spending proposals for the coming fiscal year. it would cut non-defense spending by more than 22%, slash anti-poverty programs, education grants, food and rental assistance, even billions in funding for cancer research. let's just start with that last one. explain why the administration wants to cut so much from cancer research. >> well, it's. >> more about the nih. >> and the nih has been a bureaucracy that we believe has been weaponized against the american people. we saw that in covid, the extent to which it doesn't even know or is willing to grapple with the extent to which it funded the wuhan institute through the ecohealth alliance, and the fact that they pay far more than even bill gates does for indirect costs at the at all of the bureaucracy. so this is something that is vitally important to be able to get a handle on. and we're still going to give $28 billion to the nih. wl, the american er society action network says for the past 50 years, every
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significant medical breakthrough, especially in the treatment of cancer, has been linked to successful, robust federal investment. is that phosophically something that you ree wi? we believe tt we >> need a strong nih. >> we think 's importt to haveancer searchwe still do that undethe president's budget that he put up 2 or weeks o. not last night. las nit, friday nighwas the technil details. buts it pertains to nie actually want it to go to cancer searchwe want it to to rough their tadollars. we hink don't want it to go tohat we ey're givg ney to the ecohealth allice, and we aud and abusby allowing aste, universies to arge far more an they would ever get from bill gates fndatiofor things like office buildingarking cost rate that right now we're saying it needs to be 15%. bill gates says it's 10%'s somewhere in the nghborhood of or 40%. right now, it's far in excess of whawhat t want to move o but they people
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who do this cancer rearch argue that the federal governnt fun tho building blocks, even e office builngs, allows them to spd money onhe actual life savin recipits of feral dollars alys want more than what the federagovernment maye willinto do, but we think it's important to look at the pre sector and also get d of t waste, fraud d abus so it is ahilosophical stch at the private stor shld more sponble. it's a unfortunately, bed on e way is towhas been run, actual model the amount of imbursent bad on how the something like the biltes paying largee at sools are d unsiti that have tse just oneast question aut the ministtion ialsoch. th sear program to nd alion in
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vacce fohiv to zeroing i out. is th do you think 's hiv? no. we thinwe thi it'sor imrtant r vacce work to contin to go on. the is reforms thin the propol for the nih that will alwa cont. the issue ishe extent to which are ping for indirectosts, d quite frankly, the degree which we needo re down and make sure thnih isot doing thithat the american people would not suppor let's ta about t budget. that w the budget to come. but i want to talkbout what has been going on wh ge and at elon muskas aeady cuts to o funding and programs that congress already passed, already signed into law. law of the land befo you took office. you saat you're going to smit about $9 billion in cs thiseek for congre to approve to make those cs.
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you've alreadyone official, largely in foreign aid and publ brosting,ut you're botdes of the aisle that they want you submiapproval for the cutth y've done through doge. wl you? might. we want to see how this first bill does. we want to ke sure it's actual passed. 's the firsof many rescissis bills, some we may noactual have get a congre to pass the resssions bills. se we have executive tools. we have impoundment. that 200 years of presides had the ability and the recognition that they had the abili to spd less than the ceiling. if you have100 miion that congress says, we wanyou too and e for paicularse, anyou can do it less. for 200 yes, tha was totally appropriate. and since th1970s, that has changed and has led to massive ste, fraud and abuse. secondly, the very impoundment control act itself allows for a procedure called pocket rescissions lar in the year to be able to bank somef these
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savings without thbill actual being passed.t'a provision that has been rarely used, but it is there, and we intend to usall of these tools. we nt congress toass it wheret's necessary. we alsoave exutive tools, a thats someing we're going to be wking with congress. bu it's very important to pa this biland to see whether there is a will in botthe house and the sete to secure the vos for it. we just unpa a couple of things that you said. first, you said th there is years of precedent of presidents taking at congrs pass. and of course, peopl who are watching this know that the constution says that it is congress that has the power of the rse, which is why were evenaving this discussion. they have the power. wl, that's we, that's what i want task yoabout.o the's some dispute about the 200 ars, but most imtly, a lapassedn 1974 becse o thispute that u mentned beuse of that law, which is now been in place r morehan
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50 years. it is the requirement of the executive brah, except for in situationwhere you're having disssions with ngress to impment what is signed into law. i know you don't believe thathat isonstitutional. so are you justoing ts in order to g the supme court to rule th unconitutional? we're certainly not taki impoundment f the tae. we're not in lo with e law. it's the la that came afr 200 years of precent and history the lowest point, lowestoment the very impoundment conol act poundment eliminatioact. even cgress at the tim realized that impoundments were perfectly legal and appropriate. they were saying the impoundment control act, even the for procures that both requi thr asse on rescissis bi. tha's e one that we're seing up this eay thiseek scissifor the thatome t later , they say' breaking cgress says that
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you're jt breaking theaw. well. they're wrong. w're not brking the law. every pa of of t federal goverent, eh branch h to look at the constitution themselves and uphold it. and there's there's tension between the branches. and i don't i don't don't doubt that congress is going to make accusations. some of them come by their own watchdogut historic wrongand that's not going to stop usmoving rward to bank e dogeuts. i biggerture a little t, up because this is part of a very clear strategy that you have had for years and years and years der really cut the federal government a do itn any y you can, a also to pul muchower into the execive branch as possible. you're very ings that you said in 2023 was specific tfederal workers. i want to play that for our ewer we want the. bureaucrats to be traumatilly affected. we want en they wake up in the morning. we want tm
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to n want go to work because they are they are increasingly viewed as the villai. we want to phem omb director? look, i love how you. jerry. jerry picked the quote on trauma, which i w referring to. there was the aucrac we doelieve there is wponized bureaucry. we believe at the are people who ha been pa of administrations that are fundamentay woke and weonizedgainst the american people. when you he the epa put a 77 year old navy veteran med joe robertson in jail for doing wife ponds to fight wildfireon his ln. that's not just t fbi, 's the epa. and we do want to defund and put that those beaucraci out of busiss. bui have great ople aomb. the arereat people at thfaa. there are doing hard work and importt are public servi activies. and i think it's imrtant to provide
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e fulltext of what pple like me have said inheast. but this we're not gng to be shed receive pushback from the notion that w'reoing to dramatically change the deep woke andeaponized adminirative statei me again, you've been veryvery open about that being your gl. with these doge cuts. you' tryi to not ju sort save and the way that these agencies are run anbe less independt. i me, you've been very clear about thi want to talk about what's going to happen in the nate this week, which the cut billmultiple republica senato say that they can't supporthe ll as written for reasons is because they think it reallydds to the dicit. another person who said th was elon musk. lisn to wt he said. >> you know, i was. >> like. >> disappointed ee the massiv spending bill. frankly,
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which increases. the budget t and. not just crease. >> undermines the wo that the dogeeam is doing >> i love elon, thill hu the debt. in fact, it t o lors it by $1.4 trillionwhat what some of the watchdo have done is they have ed cbo' artificial bine, wch doesn't alloand assume t current x law ll be extended because of sunsets tare in the they don'do that with spending. it is totally to a common sense person who gn comes and looks at how we budget in this country. and so when y when you assume the extension of of of the president's tax relief from 2017, this budget or this bill, and it really a reconciliation bill, it's not really a budget bill. it is using a budget process. this is a $1.4 trillion over ten years deficit reduction. it's $1.6
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trillion in mandatory savings. obviously, we have a little bit of spending in there as well for border and defense, but that is the biggest mandatory savings package that we have seen since the 1970s. 1997 it's very historic. so you have your work cut out for you to explain that to. you do not just elon musk, but to people who actually have a vote in the senate in your own party. the other reason why we're seeing some pushback is because of the medicaid cuts that were passed by the by the house and that are going to go into the senate. there was a town hall, which i'm sure you saw, iowa senator joni ernst was asked. it was pretty raucous about the medicaid cuts, and she responded by saying people were saying that people are going to die. and she said, we're all going to die. but the question that she was getting were from constituents were concerns about medicaid, food stamps and other government support programs leading to people dying and premature deaths. what do you
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say to those concerns? i think they're totally ridiculous. this is astroturf. this bill will preserve and protect the programs, the social safety net, but it will make it much more common sense. look, one out of every 5 or $6 in medicaid is improper. we have illegal immigrants on the program. we don't have. we have able bodied working adults that don't have a work requirement that they would have in tanf or even snap, and those are something that's very important to institute. that's what this bill does. no one will lose coverage as a result of this bill. that's not what josh hawley, who is not exactly a liberal democrat, said. he said it's wrong to cut health care for the working poor. and that's what we're talking about here with medicaid. well, we continue to work with people in the senate as to working them through what the specifics of the bill, what it does and what it doesn't do. we'll continue to do that. and and i think at the end of the day, the senate will have a resounding vote in favor of a substantially similar, similar bill. before i let you go, one of the things that you have become known for is that you were one of the architects
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of project 2025, and one of the things that was noteworthy during the campaign was that president trump really distanced himself. he said he doesn't know anything about it. it's it's not something that he had any knowledge of. but obviously you did. and you're now there. and i just want to show our viewers just some of what was on your checklist. a lot of them have been checked off from project 2025. there are others that are kind of in the pipeline including ending funding for pbs, npr, and many other things. is it fair to say that what you are doing now is in part enacting this very document that you and your colleagues worked very hard on project 2025? no, of course not. the only people that are delusional about whether the president is the architect, the visionary, the originator of his own agenda, that he was very public about throughout the campaign in which
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you are seeing him at rapid fashion go through and accomplish are his adversaries. and i think it's one of the reasons why you had to have the last segment with the leader of, of the democrats who are in such disarray because instead of talking about the real issues of the forgotten men and women, they are coming up with these fake news stories. i'm not suggesting that he's not in charge. i'm just saying that that now it's pretty clear that what he wants to do and what you planned are dovetailing. i think the president was very clear with his agenda, and he is going forward with that agenda, and he has been at the helm and the originator of all of these ideas. okay. last question. other recommendations from project 2025 eliminating the fed, privatizing fannie and freddie, banning medication abortion or those still on the agenda. you what's on the agenda is what the president has put on the agenda, most of which he ran on. and you will continue to see the things that he's interested in doing. and those people like me will be executing that vision. russell vought, the omb director, thank you so much
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what is your response? >> well. >> this reblican budget. >> bilis an absolute daster for the countr iparticular for middle cla and poor people, because it kicks 15 milliopeopleorking americans, mainly off of their health care. and for what? in order to finance a tax cut, the majorityf which isoing t corporations and billionaires, $1 trillion of that tax cut goes to the richest 1%. it also adds enormously to the deficit. and i heard him try to claim that that's not true. it's just unreal. the amou of is doing. i mean, it is a factn the difference between passing this bill and not passing this bill is the addition of $3 trillion to the national debt. and that's not me saying that. that's the credit rating agencies that impact our entire economy. moody's just downgraded the united states credit. they didn't do that under joe biden. they did that under donald trump. because they look at this bill, they look at
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the attack on the middle class and the the diminution in spending power that will come with it for the middle class and the deficits. and they say that if implemented, this bill is gointo make the american economy much weaker. so this an attempt to enri donald just trump's billionaire class. all his mar-a-lago friends, his corporate friends athe expense of ordinary americans. and they should just tell the truth aut it. >> you mentioned moody's because you mentioned that i did want to ask you my understanding is that the downgrade of the credit rating is about long term debt. democrats and republicans have contributed that. >> well, but they're makinthat are looking at donald ump's plan to add this massive new amount onto the debt. d let's al be clear that during e bideadministration, his big legislative acevements oside of theontext of covid relief actually declined the ficit, whether it was the inflation
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reduction act or the inastructure bill, whiad signifant new revenue in it as well. overall, tho bills reduced, notddedo the de. so moody's made this determinationow rather than duri the biden administration, because they seehis coming bill as one of theiggest additions to debt anone of the biggest attacks on the sort of ddle class consumer wer in this country. in recent memory. om iowa, joni erns told eague voters at a town hall, quote, we are all goto die. that was in response to concerns from constituents about some of what you' talking aut, about these cuts to medicaid. then she t of aarcastic apolo. had a watch this. >> i me an incorrect we are a goingo perish from the
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this earth. so i apologize, and i'm really, ally glad that i did not have to bring the subject of the toothairy as well. >> what's your. >> response? >> yeah, i mean, joni's a colleague, somebody've worke with, but does tell you a lot about this bil i think everybody in that audience knows that ty're going to die. they would just rather die in old age 40. and the reality is that when you lose yr heal care, you are much me at rk of early death.nd when rural hospitals drug trement clics clo in iowa anduralmerica, beus of this bimore people will reality this bill iabout life and death. and for what? i mean, i ess at's the prlem
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here for manof us is that they're cutting medicai throwing 15 million ople off theihealth care in order t fund tax cut for t super wealthy and r corporations that is just fundameally immoral. it's immol and it's ethical. i don't understa why they're doing it, except that donald trump only really knows billionaires. he onl instruns to republicans are is reward them, helthem, and no onelse. wish joni and others saw the immorality of what they're dng. different topic about e presidenand the fact tt he sted a privateinnefor top last month. i know you've bn very outspoken abouthe president's use of his me co, lling it corruption on steroids. and re. but i want to talk abouthe consequence of of congress really not
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leslating regulaons about this cryo and, and so many othesues. is there some i'm t sayi that congress is culpableor what the presiden is doing, but on isss like this, does there need to be? regulation? >> absolutel a we have a chance right now in the ited statesenate to stop e president's corruption. not coincidently, were debating in the senate bill to regulate cryptorrencyin fact, one of thvery cryptocrencies that donald trump is ising as part of his corruptn sche. the prlem is the existing rsion of thabill exempts t president from t ethics requirements. it says that 's market a stablecoin, bt's that's not somethinany do it. democrat shod vote for. we have a chancto demd to and thatl before fal psage, is treated just ke every other
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administration. soes, if ke next few weeks thaexempts the esident of the united stat from the ethics requirements yptocurrency, then yeswe ll have no oo blambut get ts righin the united nce ates sate. ts comi week. republicans can and upnd say it'just rht for the king for peopl including igners, to put money ihis pock in order to get them access to the whe house. that's that is not okay for a member of congress, for a yor. >> okay. we wille watching that. thank you souch, senator.ppree you ng on. >> thank you. government and ended up with a s
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>> one.( 800) 269-9522. . >> that's one.( 800) 269-9522. >> elon gave an incredible service. nobody like him and he had to go through the slings a the rows, whh is a shame beuse he's incredible patriot. o i look forwa to coinuing to beriend. >>nd advor tthe president, coinuingo suppt dogeeam. pursuing8 trillion in, iy waste and fraud reductions. >> that was president trump d elon mk in t oval office on
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friday for musk's white house ndoff. but is he really go for scott jenngs, wh do you thk? >> no, i. >>on't think. th great ierest. il. i think interviewed him recently for m book tt i'm writing, a revolution of commonense. preorder. greachrists gift and he, it wil. i mit be mere autr, but'll be amazg at mketing >> i' telyou. are you re? and he said, i'm ying to fiut a way to nkrupt. and th was his swer to me. as thi passion fothe beli that we need to spend less, get ou whwant to do it. and si he's thk he might be leaving with a little disappointment some the zeals gone becausee ink knowcuttspendi and restoring fiscal sanity inhe expect him to ntinue to be i aroundand i expect him to continue to look for politicns whwant to help h. there may not be as ny as wants, but maybe some will come alo. >> conesswoman.
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changing his opinions on things as frequently as >> preside trump is. i think i welcome hinow rewed inrest in the electric vehicle tax edit. and wantinto g an >> vehicle. >> regulatory regulation out there. so i think we're going to see him exessingnterest in all of hisusinesses here. and we'll see what he does and think head a very negative expece in washington. and the people out there need to ow their worin pushi back helped. >> think people. >> realizeow. >> dysfunctional washington is. it's brght to the. >> center ld. >> again, just how much money. >> our fedal government. >> spends and wastesithout very little accountability. d fomusk, i mean, e guy rely has sacrificed a lot. i mean, tesla's revenue isown 71%. i'going to take hisome time to build that back up. he didn't necessarilhaveo do this. the guy's incredibly successfulthink he realized at government ould run a little more ficiently, le one would run a company or a faly would run the
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household. you got to think abouthe bills. yo're not spending more than what u' brinng in. at leasyou're trying not to. and si thin the arguments, if ery sile person in th country h to spending, where they're going to div up that moneyo make sure that th're coverg all their bill why suldn't e federal governmentperate the same way? i don't thinis is a democrat or republican iss. i thk this is a bipartisan issue. >> le's lk about the democrats, your party,nd specifically how they're trying to figure out t justhere t go, but who to lead, not 2026 but 2028. there was an event in soh carolina, which a very important political ate. yestday. and thereere appearances two high profile gornors,im walz of minnesota, whoas on the ticket with kamalharris, and we moore of maryland. lisn to what wes moore said. not just tk about an let's y
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alternative. let's not study an alteative. let's delivethe alteative. >> wes moores havi the mt life right nowhe's out ere campaigning with peopl he's solving bridge cses. he's, you ow, spending te at at sporting events. b here's the g that he did in south calina. i talk to rick wade y who hosted w moore at hihome isouth carolinaand they had a bunch obusine aders tother to talk aut his agenda of work, wages d rican american comnity aut w do y build wealth? how do u grow this pie, not jt de with the unemployment sues, which are also very portant, but how arwe g to take a le forward? and you think abt whathe black economic alliance is dog, or andre owing, the wealth gap is tuallyetting bigger. $240,000 morwealth than th median white family an the median bck family. those are the ki of es that african american men wt to hear abou and if you think aboonald trump, who got 20, 22% of rican-ican men in the last
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election, that's at tho m they're going to advance i ke care of their families? >> yh. and so so t's. >> the and wt's mores talking. >> about an important demoaphic. there are so ma important demohics. congresswoman, that democrats di't maybe se totally but lost a lot of thare to donald tru of your wt used be your traditional constituencies. who do you see out there? who's maki the bestrgument? >> 'm not picking anybody right now. >> okay, swhat is the arment.? >> democra have to stoing agnst dold trump and srt toay out our agenda for what t we'reoing to do. we need our project 2028. i love wes moore and he is doing a good job. but, you know, just to remind everyby here, i told you hillary intos going to lose in 216. we had losthe union halls eight years ago. we men anmen want to ta at working about, which is economics, job security, how much food costs, what the ct of living is every sing day. andonaldrump, he's ve good at understanding
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people'fears d his anxieties. but i hav't seen him do anything that's lowering home, i'm hearing it. n i' >> i'll defd the crats. ey areor things illegal iens. you're for boys and gis sports. i me, you are r things. and that's why you have such struggles right now in your party. because you're n for anytng that's the right side of any of the 8020 issu that are driving this culturalivide in america. i the other person who spoke in soutcarolina, tim walz, a special mixture of extreme buffoonery and a mean spirit, which is a toxic brew. he is not the future othe democratic part moore is interesting. moore is interesting, probably more interesti than some o the radicals you have out there. crockett a i mean, these are the true leaders of your party right now, but it'd probably be better off replacing them. >> true. and i'm not going to even let you. >> it's not true. and 's the thing. what 're not wt demoats are for isor a exceptional america,n exceional place. and i think onof the things that's very concerning to me aut whas happening with donald trump
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right now is he's trying to make america very regulhe's trying to make ameca a pce that operatelike evebo else in the world. rht? it's pay to pla it's not standing up for courts. we ed to send people all over the world to help tm figure out how to get their diciary in place. instead, you've gotteph mier goi after the tyrny of the justice. we used to go how to me the country rk andle ke politicians from being esident, unitestatess the ving dners wre basally reign interests are just paying money. >> and i think, i think a part of the conundrum for democrats is disintegration, ts dislocation u've seen specifically among men is something that democrats haven't really figured out, ngresswoman, how to mmunicate, how to fix ose numbers. i mean, hispanic men. 20 plus percent. black men in states like pennsylvia, north carolina, texas, he saw dole increases.nde're seeing signs that tse numbers are likely going to persist. so if i'm a democrat, again, it's not enough to just be against trump. it's not ough to also it'articulate whayou're for that is palatablto a lot of americans out there, specifically men of cor who democrats currtly bleeding.
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