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and donald trump pushes a conspiracy that joe biden was executed in 2020 and replaced with a robot. so why isn't anyone batting an eye about his acuity? live at the table. chris sununu, congressman ro khanna, maria cardona, shermichael singleton and bill kristol americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other. but here they do. good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about. a horrific act of anti-semitism in america tonight, a man is charged with a federal hate crime and multiple counts of attempted murder after police say he used a flamethrower and molotov cocktails to set people on fire at a jewish event in colorado. at least 12 people

were hurt as they marched in support of hostages still in gaza. among them is a holocaust survivor. now, officials say that the suspect is an egyptian national who was in the country illegally. and according to an affidavit, he told investigators that he, quote, wanted to kill zionist people and that he wished they were all dead. this weekend's assault is just the latest in an alarming rise of anti-semitic incidents across the united states. according to the anti-defamation league, there were more than 9000 last year. in 2014, there were fewer than 1000. that is a tenfold increase over the past ten years. there's no question that if we were seeing what we've seen over the last several months for josh shapiro's house being firebombed, you have this incident, another in which two individuals who worked at the jewish embassy were shot at point blank. this would be considered a five alarm fire of a problem that we have in this country, bill. i mean, do you think that there is a willingness to acknowledge at

this point something is happening here and it needs to be stopped before it becomes a bigger issue? >> i think there's. >> a willingness to acknowledge it. i don't know if there's a willingness to do. >> or to try. >> to do. it's not so easy, obviously, to try to do what. >> you might do to really. stop it. i mean, are you going to really. >> put serious law enforcement? you know, people on this. >> case. >> the trump administration is busy deporting. a five year olds and 18 year olds and people who've lived here for peacefully. >> for 40 years. >> maybe they should take some of those resources from dhs and the fbi and get them back to fighting domestic terrorism, which, incidentally, was a focus for the last. >> few years. >> and may have had some success. so i hope. we take it very seriously. yes, i think it's important to take it seriously practically. you know, we have to deal with the anti-semitism that has been around for a long time. it's a very complicated thing to deal with as a sort of sociological or intellectual thing. but there's a lot law enforcement can do to make this less, not to make it impossible, to make it less likely to happen. >> let me just play what senator john fetterman, a democrat from pennsylvania, said about this.

listen. >> this is just. >> rampant across. >> all the universities. >> for all these places, too. i mean, we really need to call it what it is. and now and for me, politically, being very, very firmly side on israel, that kind of put parts of my party at odds for that. and i just want to continue, and i think we need to deliver a legislative solution to with and really address anti-semitism and, and just call it what it is. >> is he right, congressman, that this is an outgrowth of what's happening on universities and on college campuses? >> well, first we have. >> to. >> acknowledge that there is. >> a crisis. >> of anti-semitism. jewish americans are feeling unsafe. i agree with bill that we need more law enforcement, but we also need people in my party clearly. unequivocally condemning anti-semitism. >> condemning things like globalize. the intifada. >> or river. >> to the sea chants. >> so to. >> the extent that they're irresponsible words out there and people aren't condemning them and saying that that's hate, then that is contributory.

but what we don't want to do, in my view, is to to. stifle speech. and so we need to condemn unequivocally hate speech, but allow for the free expression at universities. >> but if i could. >> jump in. >> the problem. >> is not enough. >> democrats did. >> that last year. >> when these college protests were rampant. they made the excuse that it was all free speech. >> they made. >> the excuse. >> that people had the freedom to assemble under the first amendment, when many americans and many republicans and. >> even some. >> jewish americans, jewish students were saying, this is going to lead to violence. well, the chickens have come home to roost. and while there are some democrats, congressmen who have indeed come out against anti-semitic and anti-zionist rhetoric, there are. >> a whole. >> lot who have not said. a single word, in. >> part because. >> they were so interested in wanting to make sure that they had those votes last year, which it didn't pan. >> out for them. come on. do you think, do you think. >> do you think any of. these the shooter in. >> boulder or the shooter in washington were influenced by what democrat, democratic members of. >> congress do you think. >> the do you. >> think they were. >> influenced by harvard?

nothing. >> i think they. >> were bad, and i actually was somewhat involved in trying to get harvard to be tougher on them. >> they were bad for harvard. >> they were. >> bad. >> for the general atmosphere. >> you think. >> those people that guy in boulder was was. >> paying careful attention, was paying careful attention? >> social media. >> does a lot more trouble. social media. >> i agree with that. >> would you not agree that we have a problem with anti-zionist, anti-semitic rhetoric on college campuses across the country? >> we have. >> had a problem. it's much less today than it was the year and a half ago. i know many people who graduated from college in the last week or two who had good experience. i know some jewish students who were harassed occasionally and whose life was made uncomfortable, which should not happen. >> i absolutely. >> administrations that were too weak. i agree. >> with. >> that, but i think. that's a long way to go from from some people taking guns and shooting people. point blank. >> i agree. >> here's what we. >> also have to acknowledge. and i. >> agree that that. >> a lot of the. >> college students and. the colleges. >> and the leaders. >> did. >> not deal with this. >> as. they should have. >> but we also have.

>> to. >> acknowledge that the. >> rise of anti-semitism. >> in the last decade. >> can be correlated with the. >> rise. >> of donald. >> trump. >> and the. >> kind of. >> language that he uses has. used gives a permission slip for. all of this. >> anti-semitic language. >> to be used. >> you know, in. >> a. >> way that we really. hadn't seen before. the president. >> of. >> the. >> united states. >> when you have. dinner with a neo-nazi, when you pardon people who are the oath keepers and the proud boys, whose. groups have. >> an ideology. >> that supports anti-semitism, when you have anti-semitic tropes that you traffic. >> in. >> and that you. amplify on your own. >> social media. >> where you. >> have. >> followers of millions of people, you cannot give a pass to the president of the united states with the. >> kind of. >> megaphone that he has and say, oh, he has absolutely nothing. >> to do. >> with. that. >> that is. >> that is. >> absolutely nuts. you guys. >> are barely. >> scratching the. >> surface here. >> this isn't just about. >> we need. more democrats to. >> to condemn. >> what's happening.

>> how about let's. >> get democrats. >> not. >> joining in on it? how about aoc and representative omar. don't join those college campuses. >> and this hasn't been. >> going on. >> for ten years. >> it's been going on for 18 months. >> and it. >> starts on the college campuses. it empowers people to go beyond. >> and it has. >> nothing to do. >> with donald trump. >> i want toa little bit more specific about what we're talking about here, because i definitely think to the congressman's point, there are specific things that are being said on these campuses that are anti-semitic. but the idea that aoc and i mean, i don't know, congresswoman ilhan omar are engaging in those activities. i'm not sure there's a lot of evidence of spoke. >> at the campuses. >> they were there. >> on those campuses. but i guess but here's here's what i'm saying. but do you understand what i'm saying? if they are, if they show up on college campuses to protest, you know, what the situation in gaza is that are you saying automatically the same thing as uttering anti-semitic word? >> yes. >> they're anti-semitic. >> make no. mistake about it. their words are absolutely. and this is all based in anti-semitism. >> what i'm saying is, do you have evidence that they actually engaged in anti-semitic language? that is the issue.

>> you know. >> supporting, supporting terrorists. and so. >> and some of her past. >> are you saying, i mean. >> do we have. >> to go through the. >> statements i am talking about on college campuses? you know, because i think that there is a difference. >> the history. >> of. >> of protesting. >> is very clear. she is very. >> there's a there's a history. there's a difference between protesting and there's a and saying and doing anti-semitic things. would you not agree. >> ilhan omar's. >> rhetoric as it. >> pertains to jewish people in the state of israel is deplorable and disgusting. she shouldn't even be in congress, in my opinion. and i'm showing up on those college campuses as a green light for the most vicious, disgusting, despicable rhetoric against jewish students and against jewish people. you can absolutely draw a correlation. and to pretend that they were on the college campuses to sing kumbaya is to just be naive. >> abby. >> the governor and i were talking about president bush senior before we got on the set, and the tone he set for this country. you know what i think is sad? you know, the democrats are saying, oh, it's trump's fault, the anti-semitism. the republicans are saying it's the democrats fault. how about we just have leadership in this

country that starts to bring this country together to condemn anti-semitism, condemn the terrorism, stop blaming each other. and that's the type of leadership we had, whether it was reagan, whether it was president bush senior, whether it was president obama. we need to get wouldn't you agree? >> you need a we need a cultural. change under students and kids under the age of 30 years old. this is prevalent. this is commonplace. even the kids that aren't showing up on those campuses think that there's a massive problem with israel. and we should all support hamas and gaza. these are the same people that say, well, it's about the women and children that are being killed, yet did nothing about the 300,000 people that were murdered in darfur or the 500,000 in ethiopia. they're picking and choosing their self-righteousness. >> you don't think it has anything to do. >> with liberal trump's. >> college rhetoric. >> and the truth that. >> he actually. >> puts. >> out maria. but maria, the i do think we have to take the the point that he's making, which is that in the last, you know, 18 months since october 7th, the rise in anti-semitism is clear. like that is not a donald trump thing. that is a clear outgrowth

of this particular moment that we are in. and and trump has his problems. but i do think you have to acknowledge that there is something going on here, maybe a permission structure that needso be aressed or should he been addressed 18 mohs ago. >> mentioned tha when when i. acknowledged that. >> a lot. >> of what was going on on the. >>he leaders of those. >>ollege campuses, which >> frankly paid the. >> price for it, did not handle it very well. >> but we have to. >> go back. >> i feel like everyone. >> is is giving. >> donald trump. >> letting him. >> off the hook. >> for. >> the kind of. >> language that he permits. when you. >> have an administration. >> like his. >> where you have officials within the administration that are that have a history of anti-semitic actions and words and associations, you can't take that out of the equation in terms of where. >> we are now. >> and this didn't just happen after october 7th. >> a problem. >> that started 18 months ago. >> no one was killed in pittsburgh, no. >> one was killed.

>> no one. >> was killed. >> no one. >> was killed. >> about no one was killed. >> no one was killed in pittsburgh. >> behavior exhibited. >> by. >> no one was killed in pittsburgh in 2018. is that what is that what you're saying? it only started. >> i was just going to. >> say how many people were killed in pittsburgh. bill, what. were the motivations that started when? >> when do we see an increase. >> in how many people were killed? >> how many. >> people were killed? 18 months ago? >> bill and shermichael, give me one second. >> and you can be. >> against. >> ilhan omar. >> i happily against. >> them both. >> i and i think most. >> democrats are against them both. >> shermichael some republicans. >> i do think it is a fair point that it would be a disservice to jewish americans to pretend as if anti-semitism only began. >> that's not. >> what i'm saying 18 months ago. let me be clear. and that and that and that the motivations of anti-semitic attacks, when you really look back on the history of it, are many, and there are some on the left and some on the right, i mean, but that's the point that bills make. what bill? that is the. >> i'm talking explicitly about college campus protests. you can trace it to about 18 months ago. the increase. that's what i'm

saying. and democrats had every opportunity to address this. they did not. even the vice former vice president, when she was running had an opportunity to be direct on this issue. she meandered all over the place. >> there are. >> two counties in pennsylvania that typically voted democrat, pretty heavy jewish counties that voted for trump as a result of democrats inability to come to their. defense on. >> this issue. >> containing all 30 year old under 30 year olds as anti-semitic, would you say. >> it's fairly. >> no, no. would you say. it's fair? would you say it's fair to say, look, condemn the river to the sea chants, condemn the anti-semitic chants, but understand that there are a lot of people under 30 who believe in palestinian self-determination and palestinian state. and that perspective needs to be part of the discourse. you may disagree with it, but i don't think every single young person who was out there is, by definition, anti-semitic. >> we have to leave it there. we have to leave. >> opinion does not. >> make you anti-semitic. >> up next for us, why are more and more law enforcement agents wearing masks in the trump era? and should they be? we'll debate

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and sunglasses. while federal law enforcement is masking up when they're cracking down. and it's raising questions over whether officers simply are protecting their identities or engaging in intimidation. well, last week, a u.s. congressman confronted i.c.e. officers arresting asylum seekers at a new york courthouse. heavily armed and masked agents conducted an immigration raid near a popular restaurant in san diego. and on friday, masked agents of multiple agencies refused to identify themselves as bystanders as they detained a gardener in western massachusetts. the acting ice director says the agents are covering up to protect their families. >> people are out there. taking photos. >> of the names. >> their. >> faces and posting. >> them online. >> with death. >> threats to their. >> family and themselves. >> so i'm. >> sorry if people are offended by them. >> wearing masks, but i'm not going to let. >> my officers and agents go out there and put their lives on the line and their family on the line, because people don't like

what immigration enforcement is. >> one of the reasons that this has become an issue. we talked about the congressman who interacted with them. another congressman, dan goldman, who said that immigration officers were engaging in intimidation, essentially. let's listen to what he had to say. >> this is gestapo like. >> behavior where. >> plainclothes officers wearing masks are terrorizing immigrants who are doing the right thing by going to. >> court. >> following up on their. >> immigration proceedings and trying to come into this country lawfully, which is through asylum. >> so in that case, it was at a courthouse where people were coming in for their regular check ins. and what they're doing is they're dismissing the

cases so that they can then arrest them on the outside. so that's what he's talking about. >> yeah. well, look, i again, if it's about protecting the police officers, then i have absolutely no problem with it. this ice is not a local law enforcement or even state police where community policing gets involved. it's a whole different aspect and a different role. we've seen it before. we were talking during the break. i've seen my law enforcement, if they're doing a drug bust, you know, big busts of crack houses and that sort of thing. it's not completely unwarranted. so no, if it's. >> about people who are at the courthouse because they have a pending asylum. >> if it's a policy. >> it's a policy, you know. >> policies you're. >> going to. >> they're not going. >> to wear masks. and usually, i guess in some of these cases, not necessarily criminal. so you're not talking about gang bangers and drug busts. i mean, although perhaps there are some people that they're doing that with, but not in this. >> but again, if the agency has a policy and for consistency's sake, they're going to wear the mask to protect themselves and their family's identity, because it's not just about what they're doing in that moment. it's that, well, there's an ice agent. oh, and there's fred down the road, and we know him and we know his family. and there's obviously a lot of political angst against this. and a lot

of, you know, words like gestapo tactics and these are terrorists and all that kind of stuff, which is complete nonsense. so when you have that kind of inflammatory language and they want to protect themselves and their family, they have every right to do so. >> the problem. >> is that it has to be viewed in the broader context. you have vice president vance saying that the 14th amendment of due process does not apply to immigrants in this country, even though the 14th amendment applies to every person. he's saying people who are here as immigrants get less of a standard of due process. they shouldn't get the same rights in that context, when you have masked agents going. it's hard to believe that it's simply for their own protection. if there was for their own protection, i'd be sympathetic. but you have a systematic assault justified by the vice president to deprive people of fundamental due process. >> because bill. >> clinton signed a law in the 1990s that said illegal immigrants don't ve the same due process. you can go ble thnstituon. the constution. and the law signed by clinton, but no one complained about it for years. >> i mean, the supreme court justices have said that th it

that. s to immrants, that >> but it don't. >> have. >> to be the exact same process of due process process. ere's different. >> reasons. >> but, i mean. >> here's the ing. >> do thk that to. defend yourself nably, this i dierent, right? like we in the past, ice agents did not go around wearing masks like we we >> they we callegestapo, right? >> i mean, but it's only i mean, it's only different because the trump adnistration clearly has de thia poli. befo. they were ty wereeporting people. they deported many, manyeople unr the last two administration i mean, trump, wear mas as a coursey dinot routincourse. so w is this happening? >> difference now is that yo have a greater propensitand likelihood for individuals to state where these people live, put photos of them, their wives, their children on the internet, have people showing up in front of their houses. so i do think it is a legitimate concern. as the director said, look, these guys are doing their jobs. they're removing people who entered the country illegally. they have indeed broken the law. and we want to protect these

individuals, our officers and their families. so i'm not necessarily against it. so long as as they're arresting these individuals, they do, by law have to reveal who they are, what agency they're with. and as far as i am aware, they are doing. >> those a lot of times they're not. a lot of i've seen the videos, a lot of times they're not. the other thing is, i mean, trump and his, you know, supporters and some aides, they post the names and pictures of judges and their families. and all of that stuff, and nobody talks about protecting them. they're not they're not even. >> law enforcement. >> so now, are we. >> going to. >> have judges. >> have masks on. >> if that's. >> actually the excuse that they're using for these ice agents to have masks? look, i think the imagery is horrific from the standpoint of who the united states is and who we want to be from a global perspective, who has sort of masked agents that come in and you have, you know, masked agents grabbing a mom, breaking the window of a car, grabbing the mom in front of her screaming child and not

identifying themselves and not saying why she's being arrested. this is horrific. this is not the america that we saw before donald trump became president. and what this what these ice agents are doing. and, you know, this congresswoman, this congressman called these ice agents terrorists. they are instilling terror and fear. >> are they terrorists? >> panic. they're instilling terror and fear and panic. >> so should. >> they do their job? >> should they. >> not do their. job when. >> they go? >> i'm asking, should they not do their job better way to do their job. so they should. >> they should tell their bosses, we're. just not. >> going to arrest it. we're not going to. >> do our jobs. >> sorry, i'm going home. >> there's a better way to do they should. tually go. >> after those violent iminal >> that people go after. anyone who. >> brokethe law. whicheans if you enr. >> our cntry. illegally, th is wh. they e criminals. b here's the. >> here's the proble they are criminal >> here's e problem, sir chael. >> i want toive them a chance.

>> when they. >> aren. >> court, going through the process of asking for asylum, they are actually following the. >> law and when ey. leave deportation. >> oers, you know. >> that to be true. at that. >> pnt. ma of. >>hem are. let me t me let bill have a word a give them. >> the ality to say, younow wh, i don't have to show up for my court order. >> i mean, it's pathetic to pretend that, oh, we're so concerned. >> about their safety. >> they have to wear masks. i grew up in new york city. 40,000 cops. extremely dangerous circumstances. none of them were masked except in extremely rare occasions when they were going after some gang leader who might have relatives who go after them. if, you know, if they didn't. ice agents have functioned in this country. they didn't wear masks. they shouldn't. >> wear masks. >> it's total nonsense and it's for intimidation. >> it's not really. >> for their protection. it's ridiculous. >> can i play one more thing? i mean, this happened at jerry nadler office. similar circumstance, actually, frankly, for what happened in goldman's office. but this time, the officers were trying to get into nadler's office and then subsequently arrested one of his aides. watch the scene that unfolded. >> no, she did not. >> that is not. >> what happened. >> that is not. okay. >> what? hold on. give me your contact information.

>> no, i'm going to. >> speak to you. hey, that's what i'm going to speak to you. we got you. we got you. you're okay. you're okay, you're okay. you're going to be okay. >> i'm a fellow officer. >> can we here checking on something? we have the right to check. i'm giving you a warrant. do not resist. stop resisting. she's harboring rioters in the office. >> that's a pretty extraordinary scene. a congressman's office. >> they call that scene. i don't. >> even know. what she's. >> being arrested. how about anyone's office? >> hold on. okay, just give me one second. the congressman office was in a building where there were protests happening outside, and they came accusing these staffers of harboring a protester. one of the staffers asked for. do you have a warrant to come and search this office? and they said that we don't need a warrant and subsequently arrested one of them. so, i mean, both of you as elected officials, i mean, i, i don't know if you can imagine something like that happening in

your offices, but i've never seen anything quite like that, at least not recently. >> i've had protesters arrested. >> no, no, no, no staffers. your staffers arrested. >> well, if they're breaking the law, i would. >> but look, these are. >> i don't know. what law are they breaking? this is this is fourth amendment. >> whether it's a. >> congressman's office or not. >> what if someone shows up at your door? i'm an ice agent. i want to come in and make sure i heard you might have an immigrant. >> there is. the fourth amendment. >> holds for ice on internal enforcement, just like it does for policemen. >> but it sounds. >> like she. >> wasn't there. but it sounds like obstruction. she wasn't going to arrest somebody. >> and they. were saying, you're not going to. >> allow. >> the arrest. but she wasn't actually arrested. they detained her momentarily, and then they did ultimately release her. she was not arrested. i'll tell you what's going on in the back of the car. >> donald trump partly won the election because people wanted him to secure the border. i was just in rural nebraska. what they did not want is the violation of the constitution. they did not want 30 year old aides in congressional offices in handcuffs. that's right. and it has gone too far. even though he had the advantage on immigration because we made

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>> pride month is here, and some big brands have gone conspicuously quiet. what is normally a major marketing opportunity. companies are now avoiding public support of the lgbtq community. many executives cite the trump administration and the fear of backlash from the right. joining me in our fifth seat at the table is sarah kate ellis, the president and ceo of glad sarah kate. have you noticed this happening? >> very little pullback, actually. i've seen. so we started tracking yesterday being june 1st. today is june 2nd. we've seen over 100 big brands publicly supporting the lgbtq community. i think also what's important to see what the american people actually think of pride and corporates participating. and we recently released a report with ipsos that showed that 71% of americans think that corporations should participate in pride and have the freedom to participate in pride. so i think

also, they're not stupid. it's a growth segment where 10% of the population, we control $1.4 trillion of spending power. so pride is profit. and i think corporates are in a crosshair with this administration and being, up. their corporate freedoms are being taken away and reduced by pressure from this administration. but i don't think that most of them are going to are going to cower to. >> that, and certainly not most of them, but some notable names here taking a more muted approach. that's the language that that in our reporting target kohl's macy's nordstrom and gap. but there's something interesting happening in the numbers. you cited your ipsos poll. gallup had an interesting poll showing how this breaks down along partisanship in terms of support for same sex marriage between 2022 and 2025. there's been a dramatic decline in republican support for same sex marriage. it was 55% and 41%

today. that's a little surprising to me, considering that honestly, nobody is talking about this. but among conservatives, apparently the support is eroding. >> we don't talk about it either. yeah, that number kind of surprises me. but, you know, getting back to to the main point of if a company wants to to do stuff for pride month and support it, fine. a lot of companies we've seen, you know, did take corporate hits or whatever, but every company has to make make their choice. does it help sell fords or or a car or a soda? if you know you get more involved, i guess they have to make those decisions for themselves as long as to your point, they have the freedom to do it. but it could have benefits. it could have consequences. i'm a big believer. you know, if you sell widgets, focus on selling the widget, right? if you go too conservative or too liberal or too progressive or too extreme, either way, it never really bodes well. i tell corporate america, focus on your product and do the best you can. >> well. that's governor senator who comes from the live free or die state. that used to be the they used to be the republican party. but george will just had a column saying, what's going on going on with the republican party. they're

coming after corporations, they're coming after universities, they're coming after the civic sector. what happened to limited government? what happened to allowing companies to decide for themselves? so i think we need principled conservatives pushing back against the overreach of the administration. >> activists who are out there on the right, who are targeting companies along these lines. die broadly. but but certainly target was the was at the center of this. remember, anheuser-busch, a boycott of bud light over dylan mulvaney led to $1 billion in lost sales. so al that is also happening. >> and that is what a lot of companies are seeing. and to your point, they don't want to be in the crosshairs. they've seen companies really step out and then get pushback from a lot of people on the right. and then when they go, the pendulum goes the other way. they get pushback from their employees and their customers because they haven't been able to find that balance. i think the majority of corporations, thankfully, are finding that balance. and even as this overreach

administration, who has promised to investigate companies if they have dei programs, a lot of these companies are not pulling back. they are focusing on making sure these initiatives are with the growth sectors and with all of the communities of growth that they service. they just might not be talking about it as loudly as they have been before, which is fine as long as they're not, you know, pulling back and that they're not going against their values. i say do what you need to do to continue to have your business grow. >> can i just ask you real quick, i'll let you in shermichael. but i mean, are you concerned that there is an erosion happening on the right to things that seem to be settled, especially same sex marriage? >> yeah, i think if you look at what's changed in that, in that poll, nothing's changed. you know, it's ten years that we're celebrating this year, same sex marriage and the sky didn't fall. it didn't erode at heterosexual marriages. so it's the rhetoric that's coming out, and it's these fringe anti lgbtq activists that's grabbed hold of this party that is

actually creating this tension where it doesn't even belong. and it's unnecessary. well, importantly. >> i think i think most republicans, to the governor's point, don't generally care about what grown adults do. it's their businesses business. rather, i think the issue for many conservatives pertains to children, whether it's trans or individuals. with kids playing different sports, that many conservatives will say, this is inappropriate. you look at most of the data. even many democrats agree with that. it's why most of the ads that we saw last year in november were very effective against the vice president on that particular issue, the issue of reading books to children, a lot of conservatives have said this is a bridge too far. again, it's one thing if you're 18, do whatever you want to do. but a lot of conservatives will say we must protect the innocence of children, which is why i think. >> those numbers are actually a very back. that's what's been the conversation, which is what's wrong with children being aware that gay people exist, that gay families, conservatives. i think that's the that's the question that is being asked when you say, oh, we have to protect the children.

are you protecting the children from their neighbors who might have same sex parents? >> i think i think it's a legitimate question to raise that many conservatives have raised as it pertains to sports. for example. >> i get the sports part, but i'm talking about answer the question why is support for same sex marriage, which has been settled? why is that eroding? why are we going back in terms of amongst republicans? >> i'm telling you why. i personally believe part of the reason for this erosion is because many conservatives look at what's occurring with children and they say, okay, we didn't particularly care for this. we didn't support this, but it is what it is with same sex marriage, et cetera. now, they would argue many conservatives and i think they're right on this point, that now you're seeing this sort of transgression about around little children, around issues that people would say adults should handle. adults should think about the notion that kids should somehow subscribe to notions about gender that they really shouldn't be thinking about until they're teenagers is absurd to a lot of conservatives. >> out there.

>> i'd love to jump. >> in. >> here a little bit. >> whoa. okay. so i just want to say that if reading books about lgbtq families in school makes you gay, then i should have been straight because i was read books about straight couples, heteronormative couples my entire life. so i think also like leave it to the families. like why is government getting involved? it's more overreach that families. >> the families, not the schools, not society. throwing it on your kids when it comes to the discussion and the appropriateness and the time of that discussion to happen and that learning experience to happen, that's between me and my kids. not the schools, not the teachers and my kids. not you and my kids, the parents and the kids. period. end of story. >> but when you can't even talk about, you know, little kids could bring this up. if you have a child who has two mothers or two fathers, they're going to bring it up, perhaps in their kindergarten class. and then when you have a policy that says, oh my god, no, you can't talk about this, that is not letting little kids flourish in

the environment. that for them is natural. >> but it's a discussion between the child. >> and the dominating. >> argument right now has been around the sports issue. we're seeing what's going on in california. >> that's not what. >> this is, but there's a correlation. but there absolutely is a correlation for many conservatives. >> but i think we also need to remember the clarence thomas in in his in the decision where they took away the right for women to make decisions for their own bodies, he said. and we should revisit what is it, the. case of obergefell? yes. thank you. obergefell. that is incrediblyangero and incribly sry. >> for peopl >> who. >> have. >> iyou're on. >> that side and. >> y want . >> understan you uerstand. >> cservative peop and kids as like a scapegoat. >> dyou want to understand why conservatives have changed on this issue or not? >> i've heard it. i've. >> but do. >> you want to understand it? >> there's a difference understand it and i. but do. >> you want to understand it? >> i do, but i think you all should be open to actually having a conversation about it, instead of only 30% or even less

than 30% of americans know someone who's trans. when you know somebody and you know their story, it changes your mind about them. these kids are are kids that are just trying to exist and they want to participate. it's not competitive. >> it is competitive. if you have a daughter and your daughter has. >> worked a long time, i have. >> a daughter as well. and when my daughter plays a sport and she competes against other girls, that's fine. but when someone has a competitive advantage over her that she can never change, how would. >> that be fair to my daughter? >> i mean, unfortunately. >> hold on, because the correlation matters. >> maria, if you want to understand why. >> conservatives. >> changed on. >> this litigation, we can't we can't fully litigate that issue. i mean, we've had a couple conversations, especially in the last week, about the trans girls in sports issue. but the conversation that we're having today about the erosion even of something that, you know, what, four years ago, conservatives tend more percent of conservatives were fine with. it is a different conversation than

that. and perhaps. >> but you can point to those things. i would argue. >> perhaps, but i see the difference. but i'm not sure. i'm not sure that they really are related. i think that some people have. >> conservatives. they are related. >> so if i., we do. >> sorry. >> but you understand. >> the, the. >> the issue of gay and lesbian and same sex marriage is very different than the transgender issue, and it gets completely conflated. >> that is, you are making my point perhaps. >> more. >> eloquently than i was. >> completed. and that's why. >> that's all right, sarah kate ellis, thank you very much. thank you very much for joining us. sarah kate ellis, we appreciate it. coming up next, a thing i really never thought i'd have to say on television. joe biden is not a robot clone. and yet the current president is pushing that online. we'll discuss. >> my happy place sunday at 10:00 on cnn. >> is your asthma. >> rescue a dinosaur.

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>> that kind of sounds a little bit like the conversation we were having earlier. okay. all right. >> i think i. >> might. >> agree with that. >> the handmaid's tale terrifying. you know, it was a movie now a very popular series. terrifying because they say there that what happened happened when we were not paying attention and we were not fighting back. so we are going to fight back. we're political fighting. yeah, exactly. >> well. >> i got so few movies, i feel like i would have cited a movie from 1971 and everyone would make fun. >> of me. you know, the. >> philip roth novel, which was turned into a movie in which charles lindbergh, charles lindbergh, the america first candidate, defeats, i guess, wins the republican nomination and then defeats franklin roosevelt in 1940 and is president of the united states of 1941. as hitler rampages through europe. >> that's that's. >> too close to. >> reality. >> terrifying. >> all right. >> well, someone will represent silicon valley. the matrix. i am terrified, terrified of technology taking over humanity. and there are way too many people who have been red pilled

in my district. >> if i were you, i would be terrified. >> to waiting for the. >> congress. >> governor. >> sorry. nothing scarier than toy story. the idea that all my kids toys are coming alive while i'm asleep freaks me out, freaks me out. so no, i would. i would hope that they all stay where they are. stay inanimate. >> there's some synergy. >> with all these movies. >> what's going on? one of my favorite movies. >> but what if it was real? >> i know. >> the toys. talk to you. what could be so bad? okay, so mine. mine would be paradise. have you all seen that? paradise? yeah. it's like basically the plot is like there's a climate disaster that happens. and then some rich person builds a bunker. i shouldn't, you know, you should watch it. that's a spoiler. because. t it's very scary, ho? >> for anyone who survives. so if you're not on the end, you could be left out. >> it's a very short list. >> yes, but also there's like a massive, like,