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>> converging crises. >> president trump is meeting with top u.s. >> allies on the world stage amid crucial. >> flashpoints on trade, immigration. >> and the new wave of strikes between israel and iran. plus, gripped by fear, officials are struggling with how to keep public leaders safe after two lawmakers were gunned down in their homes and a maga milestone exactly. ten years ago today, a reality tv star rode down that golden escalator at trump tower to announce his presidential campaign. we're reconvening the people who brought you that news about the wild, norm shattering decade that would follow. i'm dana bash. let's go behind the headlines and inside politics. we start in the canadian province of alberta, where the two day g7 summit officially begins this hour. trade and the economy had been at the top of the agenda, but now it is the
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spiraling crisis in the middle east. president trump started his day with a one on one meeting with canadian prime minister mark carney, where he was quick to criticize his g7 counterparts. cnn's kristen holmes is there. kristen, it was quite an entrance that the president made at g7 today. >> yeah, it was incredibly striking. remember that we're at a time here where these world leaders, once our closest allies, aren't really sure where exactly they stand when it comes to president donald trump. they aren't sure where he stands on the issues that they once knew, where the united states was. but he walked into that room. second, the cameras were on. he really started criticizing not only the g7, but also president barack obama for annexing or for kicking out russia. excuse me? 11 years ago, when it was then the g8. now, of course, as we know, they had russia leave because they had annexed crimea at the time. this is what donald trump said. >> used to be the g8. barack
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obama and a person named trudeau didn't want to have russia in. and i would say that that was a mistake, because i think you wouldn't have a war right now if you had russia in and you wouldn't have a war right now. if trump were president four years ago. >> he also blamed prime minister of canada justin trudeau for having russia leave the g8. but just so we're clear, trudeau was not in office for another year until after that happened. but the other thing that might put him at odds and would likely put him at odds with these other leaders, is the fact that we've just learned that he's not going to sign on to a joint statement with other g7 leaders, calling for de-escalation between iran and israel, something that he has singularly, unilaterally done, but that he's not going to actually sign this statement that says that israel has a right to defend itself. iran should never get a nuclear weapon, and that they should de-escalate. now, it was interesting during the q&a portion of that brief time with reporters there, he did make a
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lot of news. he said that they they, being his administration, had heard from iranian intermediaries that they wanted a de-escalation, that they might come to the table. he also said they should have already made a deal there. this, again, as you said, is likely to be the forefront. now, while this was contentious, i will tell you the talk about trade between prime minister carney and donald trump was much nicer this time than what we saw in the oval office. donald trump saying he was a big tariff guy and that carney does not like tariffs. but he has another idea, which is also a good idea. obviously not what we heard last time when you and i actually were sitting around that table watching carney and donald trump kind of have a devolving meeting in the oval office. and carney clearly learned from that. he cut the questions off himself. that's not usually something you see. you don't see a world leader cutting off the questions so that he can have time with donald trump. donald trump seemed willing to continue going there, but as we saw last time, the more questions that came, the more the situation had kind of started to devolve. we know that for donald trump, one of
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his big things that he wants out of this meeting with carney and out of this next two days is trade deals. so that's likely to come out of there. you can see him being a little bit more effusive in his conversation with carney than last time, when he started trying to goad him, saying that canada should be the 51st state and insult them when it came to trade. >> yeah, and it's one thing to be sitting in the oval office as president trump's guest. this time it was the prime minister who was hosting the president. so he had the ability to do what he did. certainly very interesting. and most importantly, a lot of news that we heard from the president on on iran. thank you so much, kristen. appreciate that reporting. i'm joined here by a terrific group of reporters. cnn's jeff zeleny, nia-malika henderson of cnn and bloomberg, cnn's phil mattingly and cnn's very own jamie gangel. happy monday, everybody. i just want to kind of start where kristen left off, particularly about what we heard about the news,
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jamie, that the president isn't signing on to a statement by the rest of the g-7 members regarding iran and israel. and we don't know what he doesn't like about it. is it that he's that the statement says deescalate? is it that that statement says israel has the right to defend itself? probably not that part or that iran should stop its nuclear capability? i would guess not that part. probably the first, not. >> that part. a national security, former. >> national security. >> official just texted me during kristen's report. i'm shocked, shocked, shocked that trump's not going along with this. and also, i talked to a former canadian official who said to me, look, we're used to his being unpredictable. in a turn of phrase. he said, we hope for the best. we prepare for donald trump. so i think going into this, they know it's going to be difficult to navigate, but just to the iran and israel of
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it all. when when i talk to israeli sources late last night, they said they are carefully watching and monitoring everything trump says. so a moment like this is going to mean a lot to the israelis. >> and the fact that he said in that q&a, phil mattingly that he is hearing from iranians, they do want to talk, but it didn't sound like he was interested in talking right now. >> certainly not at this point. and i think one thing it's been difficult, i think from an observational perspective, to understand exactly where the president is on this issue over the course of the last several days and whether or not he was misleading people intentionally at one time or another, whether or not he changed his mind at another time, what his actual endgame or outcome goal is here as this moves forward. and i think in part, there's been a recognition inside the white house that that can be to their advantage as this continues to play out. war is unpredictable in every way, shape or form. but
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i also think that there's a recognition inside the white house, which isn't necessarily exclusive to this white house, that the u.s. role here is very different than the other six countries in the g7, the u.s. role in particular in this trump administration, is very direct when it comes to israel. and obviously they have outreach or intermediaries working with iran and the idea of maybe putting themselves into the larger group. i think there's a genuine concern that it would undercut, on some level, their role in kind of their authority within that kind of prism. >> and let's just take a step back and talk for a moment about the dynamics within the g7. you touched on it a little bit, jamie, and let's go back. well, let's first of all look at where we are now. we're talking about the people that he has met with, and he has relationships with of various kinds. of course, the prime minister mark carney of canada. these are the meetings he's having claudia sheinbaum of mexico and zelenskyy of ukraine. let's go back to 2018 to an image that i
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think is probably seared in the minds of a lot of the members of the g7. there now, many of them are, you know, are new. they weren't in this picture, but that is a an image and a moment that there's no question president trump revels in. he was at the center of it back then. and he is now. now that is generally true for any american president. but that had a different feel to it. >> it did. and i will never forget. >> this picture. it was released by angela merkel's office. it was not released by the. >> white house. and that's. >> the genesis of this picture. it was a private meeting. this was not at a press event, but it was also. coming at a time when he was declining to sign on. so i'm not sure we know exactly what he doesn't like. from the the joint statement. he just doesn't like to join. >> that's a. >> big part. >> of it. >> he wants to be on his own, and it is an entirely new makeup. but him talking out of the just out of the gate about the g8, and he longed for the
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day that russia, he has been talking about this for a very long time. this is a hobby horse of his. he talks about it and we should point out, russia was expelled from the g8 in march of 2014 because of the illegal annexation of crimea, and russia was only added to the the g8 back in 98, i think, when it was becoming more of an economic power. but he cannot get over the fact. but it's unclear if there's no movement actually, obviously, to enter them in. >> stand by for one second. we're going to go to a press conference by the fbi in minneapolis discussing the idea that they are going to press federal charges against the suspect in the murder and attempted murder of state lawmakers. >> on our state and our elected. >> representatives. >> political assassinations are ra >> at the very core of our democracy. but the details of
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belcher's crime are even worse. they are truly chilling. it is no exaggeration to say that his crimes are the stuff of nightmares. boelter stalked his victims like prey. he went to their homes, held them out as a police officer, and shot them in cold blood. there's been a lot of information and misinformation out there about belcher's crimes. we have filed a detailed 20 page complaint and affidavit that sets forth what happened in this case. i'd like to share some of that information with you now. in the early morning hours of june 14th, boelter went to the homes of four minnesota state politicians with the intent to kill them. boelter first traveled to the home of minnesota state senator john hoffman in champlin, minnesota. belcher arrived at the
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senator's home disguised as a police officer. he arrived in a black suv with emergency lights turned on, and with the license plate that read police. belcher wore a black tactical vest and body armor. he carried a flashlight and a beretta nine millimeter handgun. he also wore a hyper realistic silicone mask. senator hoffman had a security camera. i've seen the footage from that camera, and it is chilling. belcher knocked on senator hoffman's front door and repeatedly shouted, this is the police! open the door! senator hoffman and his wife, yvette came to the door. when they opened the door, belcher shined the flashlight in their faces and said there had been a shooting reported in the house. belcher asked if they had any
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weapons. when belcher lowered his flashlight, which he had shined in their face, they realized that he was not a police officer. they shouted out, you're not a cop. you're not a police officer. boelter then announced, this is a robbery and forced himself into their home. when senator hoffman attempted to push belcher out and stop him from entering his home, belcher shot him repeatedly. belcher then shot miss hoffman repeatedly. boelter fled the scene, and hoffman's daughter called 911. unfortunately, the hoffman's survived, although they remained hospitalized. after shooting, senator hoffman and his wife, belcher traveled to the home of another minnesota state representative in maple grove, minnesota. video surveillance showed that belcher rang the doorbell at the state representatives house at
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approximately 2:24 a.m. on friday night. again, he was dressed as a law enforcement officer, wearing a tactical vest and body armor, carrying a handgun and a flashlight, and wearing that same hyper realistic silicone mask. again, the images, as you can see on the screen, are haunting. now, fortunately, the state representative was not home. she and her family were gone on vacation, and so belcher left. belcher then traveled to the home of a minnesota state senator who lived in new hope, minnesota. he parked in the street in that same black suv with the police license plate at about 2:36 a.m. on friday night, after learning of the shooting of senator hoffman, new hope police dispatched an officer to conduct a wellness check on the state senator who lived in new hope. when the new hope officer
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arrived at the scene, she saw a black suv parked down the block with the lights on. the new hope police officer believed that belcher was a police officer who had been dispatched to the scene to check on the status of the state senator. the new hope police officer pulled up next to belcher in his car, rolled down her window and attempted to speak with him. belcher did not respond. according to the officer, he just sat there and stared straight ahead. so the new hope police officer, who had been dispatched to the scene, proceeded to the state senator's home, and she waited for other law enforcement to arrive. when they did, by the time they did, belcher had left the scene. belcher then traveled to brooklyn park, minnesota, and the home of minnesota state representative melissa hortman. at approximately 3:30 a.m.
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belcher arrived at representative portman's house in his black suv with the police license plates. he parked in the driveway and left the emergency lights on, his suv flashing as if he was a police officer. belcher approached representative portman's home again dressed as a police officer, wearing the tactical vest and body armor and wearing that hyper realistic mask. he was armed and carrying a flashlight before he entered the home. two brooklyn park police officers arrived at the scene. they, too, had been dispatched to check on senator and representative hortman. after learning of the shooting of senator hoffman, when they arrived at the scene. they saw belcher's black suv parked in the driveway with the emergency lights flashing, and they saw belcher standing in front of the house several feet from the
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door. when belcher saw the officers get out of the car, he drew his weapon and began firing. he rushed into the house through the front door, firing into it. he repeatedly fired into the house, and when he entered, he murdered representative hortman and her husband, mark. the brooklyn park police officers fired at about boelter boelter as he rushed into the home, but he escaped into the home and out the back. officers recovered belcher's nine millimeter beretta, along with the body armor and the mask behind the home along his path of flight when he fled on foot. they later searched his car where they found five more firearms, including assault style rifles and a large quantity of ammunition. boelter also had in his car notebooks containing a list of more than
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45 minnesota state and federal elected officials, including. representative hortman. now. boelter, planned his attack carefully. he researched his family, his victims and their families. he used the internet and other tools to find their addresses and names, and the names of their family members. he conducted surveillance of their homes and took notes about the location of their homes. he also prepared in other ways. he concealed himself as a police officer, outfitting his black suv with police lights and a police license plate. wearing a black tactical vest and body armor, carrying a police flashlight and a handgun. and of course, he wore. that hyper realistic. silicone mask as seen on the surveillance videos. the
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video of his arrival and shooting of senator hoffman is truly chilling. again, it's no exaggeration to say this is the stuff of nightmares. there's a photo of the firearms found in beltre's abandoned suv. based on these crimes. we brought a federal complaint charging beltzner with an array of federal charges. counts one and two charge him with stalking. count one charges him with stalking. representative melissa hortman using interstate facilities. and that's title 18, united states code 2261. the statutory penalties. there are life in prison. count two. similarly, is charged with stalking. state senator john hoffman, using interstate facilities. the statutory
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maximum penalty of that count is 20 years in prison. counts three and four charged with the murder of melissa and. of the haussmans using a firearm in violation of 18 u.s.c. 924. j. count. and these are punishable by a term of life imprisonment or even death. and counts five and six charge him with shooting the hartmans and the hoffman's using a firearm. and both of those counts also carry a maximum sentence of life in prison. now, before i finish my remarks, i want to say a little bit about law enforcement and the manhunt that we've heard about the last two days over the past 48 hours. federal, state and local law enforcement from throughout the state of minnesota have worked together to carry out the largest manhunt in minnesota
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history. now, a lot has been said about law enforcement in recent weeks, but make no mistake, the men and women of our federal, state and local law enforcement put their lives at risk and on the live on the line to keep minnesota safe. they worked tirelessly day and night, to make sure that the tragic events of friday night ended without further violence or bloodshed. we owe them all a debt of gratitude, and they will forever have my respect and admiration. i'll turn it over to special agent alvin wilson from the fbi. >> thanks. thanks, joe. >> good morning. >> my name is alvin winston, and i serve as the special agent in charge of the fbi. minneapolis field office, which covers the states of minnesota, north dakota, and south dakota. i want
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to begin by extending my deepest condolences to the families of the victims and to the community that has been shaken by this devastating act of violence. our thoughts remain with those who are grieving and all who have been impacted by this tragedy. over the weekend, the people of minnesota and the nation have been watching closely, as this case has unfolded. the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension provided a detailed update yesterday, so i won't repeat those specifics. this was a targeted attack against individuals who answered the call to public service. the fbi's role in moments like this is clear. to stand alongside our partners, bring federal resources, intelligence capabilities, and reach to the
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effort not just to apprehend the individual responsible, but to understand the full scope of the threat. that work continues. this case became the largest manhunt in minnesota's history. we are proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with our law enforcement partners across the state. no single agency could have done this alone. and because of that unified effort, a dangerous individual was taken into custody. let me say this clearly. political violence has no place in this country. the fbi, alongside our partners, will remain focused on the work ahead and on ensuring justice is served. and with that, i'll hand it over to you.
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>> thank you. with those comments, and we're thankful today to see these charges filed early on with our partners from the federal bureau of investigation and other federal partners from the atf, united states marshal service and others. they provided assistance to the team of investigators from the brooklyn park police department, hennepin county sheriff's office, and the bca that we're working on this right to begin with, along with all the other hundreds of people that stepped up with champlin police department as well in this to pursue this justice. you might be asking, because we see a lot of times these cases, you know, go in various orders when they are. but this is an indication that the united states attorney's office stands along with us and the state of minnesota, that when somebody and an evil individual decides to move this and create fear in our communities and commit evil acts, that we will pursue every possible charge that we can from the state charges that you've
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learned about today, to these federal charges that were discussed early on. and i'm grateful for the leadership of the united states attorney's office and the fbi for helping us move that forward so quickly in a coordinated approach. we do that because, as s.a.c. winston said, in situations like this, we have individuals that step up to serve their communities. they are elected officials across our state. and what an individual chooses to target them for their role in representing all of us. it's incumbent upon all of us to put all the resources forward, to hold that individual accountable, to seek justice, and to make sure that we are working together to show the community across minnesota and the united states that political violence is never okay. we as a country are formed on the basis that we have political discourse and that we have debates ongoing
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on what we do, and that we elect people day in and day out to represent us. and when somebody tries to undermine that, it's important for all of us to hold that person accountable so that we can move forward as a country and have a system in place that a representative government, and that we provide the protections for those individuals and their families moving forward. and so i'm thankful for these charges today to move this forward. and the great work of the united states attorney's office partnering with us to to move forward on this. and with that, i'll take some questions. >> terrorism charge in there. why is it not a terrorism charge is the question. you know, we brought the charges that we think are appropriate right now. obviously, these crimes are about 48 hours old. so we have an ongoing investigation. i can't comment as to what other charges may or may not be brought. will you in the future. will you seek the death penalty? lou, thank you for the question. will we see the death penalty? it's too early to tell. that is one of the options for several of the charges, though. >> did mr. boelter have. any
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assistance? >> are you looking into whether. >> he may have had assistance? and if he did, what. >> are the potential consequences. >> for anybody. >> who may have assisted him, either before or after these tragic shootings? >> our investigation remains ongoing in several areas, including whether or not he had anyone helping him, assisting him in either carrying out these attacks or fleeing from them. i can't comment on that at this time. there's nothing in the complaint suggesting that someone did, but the investigation is ongoing. in fact, it's just in its infancy. it's been 48 hours, most of which we are primarily focused on finding him. >> kailey leinz cameras in minneapolis. >> shortly after these crimes occurred. do we know how he got from brooklyn park to minneapolis? was it on foot? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> we offer. >> clarity about. >> the state charges. >> concurrent with the federal charges. how does that all work? does this. not, you know, make null the state charges or take precedence. >> over the. >> state charges? >> it does not nullify the state charges. they remain in place
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today. he was brought into federal custody. he'll make his initial appoint. initial court appearance in federal court over in saint paul at 130 central time this afternoon. and my expectation based on prior cases is the federal case. the federal charges will be litigated first, but the state charges won't necessarily go anywhere. >> can you talk. >> about why investigators believe he carried out this attack, and for how long he may have been planning these attacks? >> well, it's pretty clear from the evidence that he's been planning these attacks for quite some time. there's voluminous writings, as you've seen in the reporting, that were found both in his car and his house, about his planning lists of names and individuals. in terms of the why, it's unclear. >> interaction with interaction. >> with the new hope. >> police. what had. >> law enforcement. >> been told at that point? were they aware to be on the lookout. >> for a dark. >> suv that. >> resembled a police vehicle? >> i don't know, i can turn that. i don't know if one of my colleagues here. no, i know that they had heard about the shooting of senator hoffman and being the diligent law enforcement they were knowing that they had elected officials living in a community. they went
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out to do a wellness check. i don't know more than that. you know. >> what i what i can say and as you can, i don't know the specifics of the question and what on that, whether it is what i will tell you is that hennepin county law enforcement, working together at that time knew of that. and so as the different jurisdictions were on duty, some of them did proactive, you know, as we've heard, you've heard from chief bruley on this in maple grove, for example, or in brooklyn park, i'm sorry. for example, they went out proactively to check on the status and the well-being, and that's how we encountered this and prevented additional attacks, which we believe certainly could have occurred from occurring. so we don't know the specifics on the new hope as to what they were doing, but they were tracking the shooting that happened. and so several of them were being proactive and checking on various people that they knew resided in their city. >> so did. >> he shoot at the officers. >> in brooklyn. >> or. the brooklyn. >> park officers? >> did he shoot. >> at. >> them, or was he shooting into the house? >> and they kind of. >> like chased him into the house. >> my understanding is it's unclear at the moment whether or not he shot at them. it's possible that he did. it's not
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clear. obviously, it was a chaotic scene. >> was he wearing the mask when the new hope officer interacted. >> with him? i believe he was, although i can't say for certain. is there a reason to believe that there was plans to commit additional violence at, say, the protest that. >> were going on on that day? >> i've not seen evidence of that. it's hard to say what his plan was. obviously, he went to the homes of no less than four elected officials. he had a list of other elected officials, their home addresses. so to make. >> sure that we connect. >> the dots properly, could you name the other. >> two officials? >> you know, i we can't at this time. i wouldn't surprise me if they publicly identify themselves, but it's not really my place to do that. if they want to protect their own privacy. >> what's your message to. >> minnesotans who may get a late night knock on the door from police if something's going on in their communities? i mean, can you just speak on that? >> i'm going to let law enforcement handle that one. i don't know if someone. sure, please. >> good morning. police chief. >> mark bruley. brooklyn park police department. >> great question. like we send out a message to our community when this first occurred is you always can call 911 and verify if the person at your door is a police officer. if they are a police officer, they will be
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connected to a dispatch center that can validate that. so the first thing i would do is if you're concerned about it is call 911. obviously there's a lot of different uniforms and it's never wrong to do that. >> can you clarify. >> the the shootings stuff? >> because we were told, i believe, that the person. in custody. did shoot at police at mark hortman residence. that's an important detail. >> yeah. so i'll answer this again. that's part of the active investigation. and i know there's been a lot that's going on, but as any time law enforcement uses deadly force, there's a walled off separate investigation to examine that. at that time, i will tell you, we still work through we are gathering evidence when we go through. this happened incredibly fast. what i can tell you is the police officers that were there on scene, that while they were assessing the situation, that the gunfire erupted and we are still working through and reconstructing that crime scene. we've gathered all of the evidence related to that. and what was said there is that this is definitely happening very quickly, and we definitely
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know that. he began shooting at the hartmans, as will be detailed in this information immediately. once the officers were assessing the situation, whether or not that the gunfire was returned at the officers or not, we are working through that and we need to recreate the crime scene itself. but and i should say, i want to say like in that process, that the gunfire was erupting in such a way all around that that is partly why, with the reasonable interpretation on some of those, is where that that came from. initially. >> you identify the potential motive here. it has been widely reported that the list, his hit list contained names of people who are abortion rights supporters. and also, can you please release the names of the two other targeted victims who were fortunate to get away? >> as i said, with respect to the other two potential victims, i think it's up to them whether they want to publicly identify themselves. as i said, i wouldn't surprise me if they do. they're elected officials, but that's their right. obviously they have families and children and privacy interests that they
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need to sort through, so i'll let them do that. with respect to the potential motive, let me say this. there's been a lot of press coverage and speculation and discussion of a manifesto. i've seen nothing like a unabomber manifesto in his writings. he had many, many notebooks full of plans, lists of names, surveillance efforts that he took to surveil and locate the home addresses and family members relationships with these elected officials. but i have not seen anything involving some sort of political screed or manifesto that would clearly identify what motivated him. obviously, his primary motive was to go out and murder people. now they were all elected officials. they were all democrats. beyond that, i think it's just way too speculative for anyone who has reviewed these materials to know and to say what was motivating him in terms of ideology or specific issues. there's a lot of. >> abortion rights supporters. >> there were some abortion
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rights supporters, i believe, on the list. but again, there was dozens and dozens and dozens of names on, you know, hundreds of pages of documents that were recovered with his writings on them. confess and give. >> more details. >> after he was apprehended last night. >> i'm not going to comment on that at this time. >> can you talk. >> about how long this pre planning and surveillance went on? do you have any idea? >> it appears to have gone on for an extensive period of time. i think it's unclear. the writings appear to have been done at various times over the course of at least months i would say. but beyond that, it's speculative. did he. >> did he give any? did he have two? there's kind. >> of two questions that go towards. >> the same thing. >> he appeared. >> to be involved with some. >> kind of a home security or professional. >> security operation. >> i wonder if you have any details into that. and was he familiar to law enforcement. >> even though he didn't. >> appear to have any. >> kind of serious criminal. >> record in the state? >> i i've seen the press reporting on his security company. i don't know anything beyond that or any involvement that that would have in this
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case. and i have no knowledge of his interactions with law enforcement prior to this. >> can you comment at all about, you know, his car, the light pack, the license plate, maybe a bit of a badge sniffer? was he obsessed with police? >> i have no idea that i think i skipped over the slide. the police license plate wasn't an official looking police license plate. as you can tell. it said. i believe it was like a reflective black things that you would buy to put on, like a mailbox, like your address on a mailbox. >> a bit obsessed with the do we know? >> i have no idea. >> there've been reports that his wife was, quote, detained at a stop rest stop in onamia and that in her car was found weapons, passports and a lot of cash. she was also with three children. is that true? and is the wife being investigated? >> go ahead. i'll defer to law enforcement on that one. >> yeah, i can answer the question. so when you know, the question was detained, obviously when an individual commits these heinous acts and we knew he was
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the suspect in this case, we're going to want to talk to the family. you know, at this point in time, this is, you know, under active prosecution. and so we want to be careful about what we say. she was cooperative with us at that time. there were firearm in the vehicle at the time had valid reasons for her to she was legally in possession. i should say that at this time. and there were other items that were recovered, but we're going to leave that to some of the prosecution as we work this out. so we're not going to comment on all of it, as this is still continue to be part of the active investigation. we need to figure out exactly what all this means in relation to this. >> to be clear, there's not. going to be a first appearance in district court today. and then where is he. >> being held? there will be an initial appearance in federal court over in saint paul, minnesota at 130 central time this afternoon. i do not anticipate there will be an appearance in state court today. >> just one more question on the on the hit list that you said. 45 names and we've seen more than that. it was there more than 45.
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>> there's lots of i mean yeah. >> and i think i can help i mean just there's a lot of names that we're working together right now. so the fbi, there are some and we've mentioned this, that there are some other names that are from out of state. they have been working through the through our fusion center network across the united states. and then our partners at the fbi are helping coordinate with that in that process. the question is a good one part of what we're looking through, the names, the numbers that you're referencing, they are was names in multiple notebooks. some of them are redundant. so i don't have a total number of people that were in there because some of them are overlapping on multiple lists. and again, i do want to continue to clarify. this is not a list of people that was in a numerical order in some sort of ranking. these are names that are being developed as we are looking at this across multiple writings. in terms of that, just to be clear about it. >> and what was. >> senator. >> hopkins name even in there. >> though i believe it was. >> where is he being held. >> right now? i think he's in the custody of the united states marshals service over at the
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saint paul federal courthouse. beyond that, i'll defer to the marshals on where he'll be held, assuming he's held in custody pending trial. >> can today's court appearance be considered. >> an arraignment? is there anything you can tell me about? >> it'll be an initial appearance. because he's only charged by complaint. he has not yet been indicted, so he'll have an initial appearance, as all defendants do, before a federal judge, where he'll be asked to identify himself. the court will appoint a lawyer to represent him, or he can retain one and have a lawyer represent him. and then the court will ask whether or not we will move to seek his detention pending trial, which we obviously will. and then the court could set a detention hearing and a preliminary hearing to assess whether or not there's probable cause to charge him by complaint. how much of that will happen? actually, today is unclear. we'll see at 130. >> and it's at. >> the. >> warren burger federal building. that's the only court appearance. >> today, correct. >> thank you. for superintendent evans yesterday. the way that things played out yesterday when you came up for the 530 or so press conference, did you know that he was close to being
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caught at that point, or did it come as a surprise when you got the trail cam information, or from a neighbor who saw him in the field. >> so that, you know, we as noted, we still had belief that he was in sibley county when we held that we did not know the information specifically that he was there, based on the overall investigative. that was still our belief there. but the specific information that led to his arrest at that time, we were not tracking yet. so, i mean, and i assume that's related to the timeline these teams and the law enforcement teams acted very quickly when they had a specific lead. that led us to know he was in that area. and so it was a relatively short period of time where they converged and were able to do that. >> what we knew before this news conference was bad enough. what you have told us is even worse. where does this rank in terms of attacks that you know of across the united states, and what you addressed some of your reactions, but can you give us your reaction? >> look, i mean, this was a political assassination, which
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is not a word we use very often in the united states, let alone here in minnesota. it's a it's a chilling attack on our democracy, on our way of life. it's only the most recent example of violent political extremism in this country. and that's a trend that's been increasing in recent years. and it's unfortunate, and i hope it a wake up call to everyone that people can disagree with you without being evil or needing to be killed or hurt. >> you mentioned that. >> multiple different aspects. >> of. >> this investigation were found in multiple different notebooks. how many were discovered and were they all in his vehicle? >> some. my understanding is some notebooks were recovered from his vehicle and others from his house, although obviously there was a lot of there was law enforcement literally from all around the state. i couldn't begin to identify all of them. representatives of many of those or some of those agencies are here. but far more were involved. and so all i can say
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there was many notebooks recovered from multiple locations. and part of it does. >> make sense about him going back home. like, what was he thinking? did he say he was trying to get back to his house? i mean, it's it's odd. i guess you could say. >> i, i can't speculate as to what was in his mind. he obviously went on a murderous rampage on friday, so i think i'm not aligned with his thought process. >> mr. winston, can you talk about is there any sort of attention being paid. >> to what kind of safety. >> needs to be given to politicians at this time, or. >> is this a space where. >> people feel like any. threat has. >> has? >> left with this arrest? >> okay, so what we're going to do is we're going to, of course, take these threats as serious as possible and throw all available resources towards these threats. we are in lockstep with the capitol police on a regular basis, and we're continuing to have those conversations about threats towards politicians. thank you for that question. >> maybe one more question here before we wrap up. >> perhaps this is for chief brawley. just wanted to wrap it
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back to hoping you can speak to just how pivotal, pivotal it is that your officers acted proactively, stopping by the house and likely stopping more victims. >> yeah. great question. just for everybody in the room. question is, how important was it that the police officer stopped at representative portman's house, which really foiled this entire plan? it's incredibly important. that started with a sergeant who was actually off duty, was walking out of the building and had heard that there was a shooting in another community at senator hoffman's house. being alert, seen, two officers in the police department said, hey, drive by melissa hortman house and just check on the house, would you? and that's essentially what they pulled up and found that in the drive. was the car in essentially the criminal act was occurring as they pulled up. had they not foiled the plan? you know, he essentially took his vehicle away from him, which involved all his maps, all his
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names, all his weaponry. i would be very scared what it would look like over the next few hours had we not done that. >> and just to clarify, did your sergeant know about the new hope and maple grove incidents, or just the one in. >> champlin he only knew about the one that occurred in champlin? >> so the officer that the other officer that came upon him at the second house and saw him sitting in a vehicle, did did she realize, like, did she report that? and did they try to chase her? did she realize that was suspect or. >> i don't i don't think she did. she knew something was awry. and then he left and proceeded to brooklyn park and carried out the next shooting. so it got lost in the chaos of the event and lost in the chaos of events. but there was a new shooting shortly thereafter. it really is remarkable to the question earlier how he went to four houses that night and then three of them or two of them. he encountered law enforcement at the third and fourth one, and the second one. no one was home at all. it's it's remarkable how
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diligent law enforcement was at 230, 3:00 and 330 in the morning on a friday night. but they were responding to just to do wellness checks on our politicians. it's a testament. the last 48 hours have been an incredible testament to the professionalism and dedication and commitment of our federal, state and local law enforcement. thank you all. thank you. >> thank you. stand by. >> that was absolutely chilling. we learned so much more about the horrific events that went on overnight friday night into saturday. i want to bring in our cnn chief, law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. i mean, just a few of the quotes off the top. he stalked his victims like prey. it's not an exaggeration to say that this is the stuff of nightmares. this is something
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about 45 elected officials. we learned for the first time here that it wasn't just the two houses in which he actually shot people. there were two others that he visited. and, you know, i'll let you take it from there, john. but obviously from a law enforcement perspective, read between the lines for us beyond the absolute jaw dropping shock and disgust about the way that this man was trying to take down people as an act of political violence. >> well. >> reading between the lines. >> what we're seeing is a pattern. >> i mean, if you look at the. statements of the individual from the boulder, colorado attack from just a couple of weeks ago, molotov cocktails against marchers for hostages, he said he was planning that for a year. if you look just before that, the jewish museum attack, you have an individual who is planning that in extraordinary
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detail. before he struck. and then you look at this attack, all different agendas. >> all separate. >> motivations. but another individual who has been stalking, collecting, surveilling, mapping, supplying, arming and thinking about this. >> so this goes. >> back to what we learned from the fbi profilers in behavioral science. we tend to say, because these things burst out suddenly, this individual snapped, and this attack followed, these people don't snap. this is a slow boil, and we're seeing the result of it, but we're also seeing it with greater frequency. but as you framed it, dana, we learned so much in the last few minutes about the details that had been sidelined because job one was finding him, and that's what the focus was. but when he came to senator hoffman's house, showing up in his fake police uniform with his fake police car, he said, open up. this is the police. we have a report of a shooting at your
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house. what he is now. we're in a hall of mirrors. what he is using as his ruse is that there's some kind of swatting call which politicians have become accustomed to. late night visits from the police. then when they say you're not a cop, noticing that he may be wearing this latex mask, his badge doesn't look right. he says this is a robbery and forces his way into the house. what we then learn, of course, is that he went on to another location and then another location of other elected officials where he didn't make contact before getting to the to the speaker's house, where he engaged in that murderous rampage. so this would have been a night of terror. and frankly, as was pointed out, had that off duty sergeant not said, hey, while we have this shooting going on a couple of towns away, let's start to hit these locations and check on our elected officials. >> and just maybe it goes without saying, but it is important to say in this country
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somebody is charged. he has not yet formally been charged. we just saw and heard about this 20 page complaint. that was what john thompson, the acting u.s. attorney, was reading from. we are going to see that happen. presumably later on today. so he is the alleged shooter at this point. and i also want to get into a little bit more detail with you, john, because the fact that he allegedly went to the first house, john hoffman did exactly as you described, then left there, went to a second house and rang the doorbell. the state legislator, who he was trying to find was not there, then went to a third house. we don't know if anybody was home there. what we did learn in this press conference was that a law enforcement official pulled up next to him in his suv, tried to talk to him, and he did not
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answer. and the decision right then to check to make a wellness check and not stay with this alleged shooter was pretty consequential, given the fact that he apparently went from there to melissa. hartman's house, and that's where he allegedly murdered her and her husband. >> and would really need a little more detail on that, because, as you point out, that could have been a life and death decision, which is, did the vehicle look like a neighborhood patrol, a security patrol? did he did he say something or did he say nothing? but but, you know, the instinct to go check on that house. but yeah, i mean, there are a couple of things when they go back over this with a fine tooth comb, there will be some brilliant moments, and there may be some that require a much deeper look about decisions made in the field. >> yeah. no question. and then just the idea that. he and i
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know our colleague whitney wild learned this yesterday, but they make clear that there was no manifesto in particular. there were no books. there were notes. there were, you know, pieces of paper. and that led them to put this together, that he had been apparently planning this for months. but it wasn't what you saw during the unabomber times. >> well, that's right. and i mean, to be clear, manifesto was introduced into this conversation early on by law enforcement, but i think not in a public way. i think that was in their kind of speed reading of we've got a very complicated notebook with a lot of opinions and thoughts of it that may give us a window into opportunity, but we also have this extensive list of names. so 70 names to start off with, 15 more found during a search warrant yesterday, saturday at a residence where he often stayed. and then the statements today
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that the notebooks are rife with different names addresses. so these seem to be his research materials. basically what we would have called in law enforcement, his targeting package, where he's gathering intelligence, putting together locations with that intelligence and details, and then separate thoughts about about his his thinking on a number of issues, which they didn't really get into today. so our best clues into his targeting and his motive were his choice of targets. >> yeah, no question about it. john miller, we're very lucky to have you to help us work through this as we learn so many just, again, jaw dropping details. thank you so much. back here. mia. also, we heard from another one of the law enforcement officials this was a targeted attack to individuals who decided to answer the call to public service. >> that's right. all the folks. that he was targeting were
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democrats. >> this was political violence. >> one of the gentlemen up there said that political. >> violence in this. >> country is rare. it is not rare. we have seen this happen time. >> and time again for. >> presidents have been assassinated. there was obviously the attempted assassination on president trump as he was running nancy pelosi's husband, gabby giffords. the list goes on and on. josh shapiro more more recently with the with the arson situation at at his residence. so this is part of our culture. it is part of our history. and it's terrible. i think what is different now is that we do have social media. we do have artificial intelligence, we do have misinformation. and quite frankly, we have a president who often laughs at political violence. right. it was a punch line. oftentimes when when he mentioned paul pelosi at rallies. so that is an ingredient. i think that that can't be dismissed. and it is it isn't a partisan point to say
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that this is a unique political figure in donald trump, who seems to often not take political violence seriously. >> we know. >> that minnesota. >> just what was happening at this time. minnesota is a divided state, without question, and in the legislature it was perfectly divided in the house of representatives and melissa hortman who lost her life. she entered into a power sharing agreement with the republican leaders to get things done. but she was a very, very visible democrat in minnesota. and the officials there, joe thompson, the acting u.s. attorney, said that this had been. plotted for months. well, as this as those months were going on, she was obviously in the news and the legislature was as well, and a divided state. >> okay, i just need to interrupt because we have other big news happening as we were listening to that. adam, minnesota israel is identifying incoming missiles from iran, and there are sirens being activated in northern israel. civilians
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have been advised to seek shelter, and defense systems are working to intercept projectiles. that is according to the military there. we're going to get one of our colleagues up there, jamie, as we get this news. >> are we talking about israel or are we talking about israel? so i just want to say earlier today when i was talking to israeli sources, they have said that they feel this is going to go days, weeks, that that it's open ended. they do not see iran coming back to the table. they're also taking advantage of the moment that that they have. but the other thing that's been quite clear in talking to israelis is they've never taken hits like what they are seeing today. it is, you know, they've just been overwhelmed. and when they see these strikes coming
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and there have been many more fatalities this time in the past, they're shook up by it. >> well, it's i mean, just to sort of boil it down, it's kind of coming from the mothership as opposed to the iranian proxies, which we have seen, you know, they were pretty well armed iranian proxies. we know that we're talking about hamas and gaza hezbollah in lebanon, and of course, the houthis in yemen. this is coming from iran. >> i think one of the one of the questions that i had that i bounced off national security officials the first couple of days after the initial israeli strikes was if you just go back to the last year of the biden administration, iran launched one of the largest scale ballistic missile launches targeting israel in history, maybe the largest that was blocked by a significant kind of diplomatic effort from the biden administration and others. arab nations contributed to it that
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they planned for for several months. when was that coming to that scale, and what would happen if all of those defenses weren't necessarily in place? and the response i got was, keep in mind, they lost their entire command and control in those initial stages, and they have that capability. we'll see how this plays out. but the expectation was something like that or larger would be coming soon. and it appears that this is kind of the moment where that's going to play out. >> and obviously the the idf, the israeli government and military made a decision to launch this. really, you know, multi-headed strike last week. and they say that they were very successful. iran says so, too, in getting a lot of the top iranian military leaders, some of the nuclear assets, but they also knew that they were poking a bear and the bears fighting back right now. and so what that means is that people in israel
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know that they have the iron dome, they have other defense systems, but they and they also have bomb shelters, and they're spending a lot of time in these bomb shelters. and some of this, all of those defenses doesn't always work. >> for sure, as we've. >> already hold that thought. we do have nic robertson. nick, what are you seeing? >> yet? nothing here where we're located in central israel, in tel aviv. there's a possibility that these early warnings that are being given are about missiles that are headed towards northern israel. of course, we've seen iran try to cluster some of its munitions around the port city of haifa. not quite clear what they're targeting there, but certainly there are energy. oil type installations in that port city. and three people were killed in iranian ballistic missile strikes there overnight. but the early warning messaging here that the
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residents of this city will heed to get themselves to the shelters, to take precautions, safety precautions ahead of a strike. those level of alarms have not been triggered. what we understand from the idf is that they have detected these iranian missiles incoming. and i think the specifics at the moment are pointing to northern israel. but of course, that information gets updated because iran is trying to use new technology, new tactics to to try to spoof, to try to fool israel's defensive systems. >> and nick, you know, we have now been seeing the back and forth between iran and israel for several days now. can you put into context this particular alert and this particular warning from the idf? how whether it's different or whether it's sort of more of the same? >> it feels at this moment potentially more of the same. the sun is beginning to set
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here, sort of track more than a thousand miles eastwards into iran. the sun will be pretty much down. that's the time that iran can get their ballistic missiles out and fuel them up. they can't fuel them in the tunnels because it's such an explosive mix of of chemicals of oxygen and the propellants. they can't do it in the tunnels. they have to do it outside the tunnels. israel has eyes in the sky, can see what they're doing. they're vulnerable if they do it in the daylight. so it's this time of night that i think everyone is expecting the ballistic missiles to start flying. obviously they do get some up during the day, but this is the pattern. you know, talking to people in the city here today, they are expecting more strikes to come. they'll be expecting them here tonight and potentially in the coming days. that's the expectation. >> all right, nick, needless to say, please stay safe. thank you for that reporting. and back here at the table, jeff, i interrupted you. >> no, i was just saying that. i mean, as jamie was pointing out earlier, this is something that is going to go on for some time,
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for weeks perhaps. so this is obviously has overshadowed the meeting of the g7, where the president and other leaders are. so this is a crisis without question that divides the president's base. just to put a political lens on it. >> final quick. >> word. >> it's war. it's war. i think everybody's so used to back and forth. you mentioned the proxies, which kind of drive that this is this is war. and i think the israelis were very clear, clear eyed about that when they started this, when they launched this particular conflict. and people need to recognize that. >> thank you. thank you all. what an hour. appreciate it. please stay tuned. cnn news central is going to start next. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we do have breaking news that we are following out of the middle east. israel has identified incoming missiles from iran as. >> we are. >> here in this fourth day of this back rt

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