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>> happening now. breaking news. no signs of de-escalation just now. a new strike in northern israel as iran launches a barrage of missiles. >> plus, crucial talks. right now, officials from iran and european countries are meeting in geneva. will any progress be made to end the conflict? welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer with pamela brown, and you're in the situation room. and we begin this morning with the breaking news. iran releases a new barrage of missiles at israel. this is the israeli port city of
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haifa, where explosions fill the air and sirens echo through the streets. this morning, israel says iranian missiles have been fired towards the northern, central and southern parts of the country. we have just learned that at least 17 people have been wounded and they include a 16 year old boy wounded by shrapnel. it comes as iran's foreign minister is meeting with counterparts from europe and the united kingdom. after president trump paused his decision on whether to attack iran this morning. tehran says it will not discuss its nuclear program while it's under attack. >> let me make the position clear. under the current circumstances, and as the zionist regime's attacks continue, we are not seeking negotiations with anyone, especially not with the united states on this matter meanwhile, israel and iran exchanged more blows. >> an iranian missile slams into
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a technology park in southern israel, less than a mile from the soroka hospital that was struck in beer sheva yesterday. and this morning we're seeing new images. israel releasing this nighttime video of its air force intercepting iranian drones. israel also says 60 of its jets struck dozens of military targets overnight in iran. in tehran this morning, protesters are filling the streets, burning symbols of israel and the united states and waving iranian flags. thousands have demonstrated in cities across the country. cnn's chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance, is in geneva for today's crucial talks. matthew, what are the expectations hanging over this gathering hey, wolf. >> well, i think the expectations, to be fair, are pretty low. i mean, look,
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there's ideas that are being discussed between the various foreign ministers from britain, france and germany that have gathered in this hotel, along with the eu's top diplomat meeting with the iranian foreign minister. those meetings are taking place right now. but the crux of the issue, i'm told, by diplomats, is the uranium enrichment capabilities of iran. that's a red line, of course, for for president trump and the trump administration, for others as well. but it's something that over decades, iran has categorically, categorically listed, you know, kind of abandoning it says it's going to continue to do that, needs it for peaceful purposes. i think the only sort of possibility of any kind of hope or any kind of expectation here is whether or not iran is ready to compromise on that issue. that's the crux of the issue. there are ideas, according to diplomats, being floated and presented to the iranians about how they could compromise on that, how the two sides could come together. one hope that the diplomats i've
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spoken to have said is that, look, with such a lot of military pressure being put on iran right now, with its nuclear facilities being attacked, so kind of uniformly by by the israelis and with the possibility of the united states joining in the future as well. the 92 weeks, of course, according to president trump, at very least, when that decision is made, that might get the iranians to change their sort of calculations and to perhaps make concessions on that issue. that's not the position we've been hearing from the iranians so far. but it's a new day. these these talks, these nuclear talks have just begun. and so we'll see what comes out of them in the hours to come, when they're when when they're over. wolf. >> all right. matthew chance in geneva at these crucial talks. thank you very much, pamela. >> joining us now is cnn analyst and axios global affairs correspondent barak ravid. hey, barak, thanks for being here. so, you know, we've heard iran say that it won't discuss its nuclear program while it's under attack from israel. do you expect any significant diplomacy to take place during president trump's two week window here?
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well. >> good morning. well, definitely president trump has given another chance for diplomacy. that's that's clear. but it's not clear if he did that because he thinks there's a chance to get something or whether this is just a way for him to say, i gave the last chance. the iranians said no. therefore, i have international legitimacy to go ahead and join this war. at the moment, the iranians are not really moving. they refuse to hold a direct meeting with the trump administration, secretary of state rubio told numerous foreign ministers who we spoke with over the last 24 hours, that they can convey the message to iran that the u.s. wants to meet. special envoy witkoff is talking or is texting with the iranian foreign minister, but the iranian response until now
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is the u.s. is part of this war. therefore, we are not going to meet to hold a direct meeting with the u.s. as long as israel continues its attacks. and i don't see, by the way, israel stopping its attacks at the moment. so i think there's a very, very narrow chance of getting something done diplomatically. >> you know, barak, prime minister netanyahu is continuing to claim that israel has the power on its own to achieve its objectives against iran's fordow nuclear facility. how likely is that? is it that israel will go at it alone and try to destroy this facility that's enriching uranium well, first, israel will definitely go after the facility in fordow. >> if the u.s. doesn't. i think the israelis can damage this facility or even significantly damage it. but it doesn't mean that they can destroy it from the air. and then there are other options that might be
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possible. for example, a special forces raid on this compound. i think a week ago, if i told you that this is an option, you'd say and i would say, and i think almost anybody would say that this would be a high risk operation, even crazy operation. but a week after this war started, i think this is seen as a far less extreme possibility. and therefore, i think when the israelis say that they will take out the fordo facility no matter what, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're that they will do it from the air. >> israel has experience in going after underground facilities. a few years ago, as you remember, barak in syria, they did that with a commando group. they went in and blew it up. and that was that. barak ravid, thank you very, very much, pamela. >> all right, wolf. happening now. no sign of de-escalation as iran fires a fresh barrage of
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missiles towards israel just moments ago, with a strike reported in haifa. cnn is on the ground in both israel and iran. >> let's go first to cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson. he's in haifa, israel, along the mediterranean, israel's third largest city. what can you tell us about this latest attack? nic? >> yeah, wolf, as far as we know so far, missile hitting the building behind me in central haifa, it has caused, as far as we know, according to medical officials here, two serious casualties, two moderate casualties and 18 other people with minor injuries. several of those have already been taken to the main hospital here, which is, by the way, working, working underground. this missile came in here just a little over an hour ago. what you're seeing behind me here, wolf, are is a situation of destruction. and actually, wolf, i'm being joined by the mayor of this city. you've been mayor here for almost 20 years. tell me
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what has just happened. what are you seeing? what are you learning? >> the iranians have decided to make haifa a target. and as i see, they succeed, they succeed to choose. very important targets. this is a. this is the center of the downtown. i revived the downtown and turned it to be a commercial site. >> and how many casualties here? >> 11. 11 casualties were moved to the hospital to rambam. and thank god nobody got killed. >> and you? normally in the war room, you're normally sitting at the head of the table working on getting all in here. tell me what we're looking at. because i see police, i see medics, i see rescue, recovery. explain to me what we're looking at here right now. >> you see, everybody who has to do his job in the area. he is in charge of. and thank god they are immediately turning down and
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coming here. and this is israel. >> and the priority the priority is get the search teams in. i've seen the search and rescue dogs, the drones. >> they go place to place to see if somebody is not there. got stuck. the people who died in former in former places like this, they got stuck. >> you want to make sure there's no one trapped. was there anyone stuck in there now? >> no. up to now? no. >> you just told me here. you revived this part of the city. you've been there for 20 years. how do you feel personally, when you see it being your work? your work for the city? this happening? >> look, i don't like wars. i've been personally in ten wars. this is not the name of the game. the name of the game is peace. and we have a lot to help others. and we shall do it. you know, the most important universities are situated in
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haifa. >> it is a mixed city and it gets on for the most part. >> it's the only mixed city in the world which is exercising for more than 100 years. full peace between jews and arabs. >> so let me ask you this question. then there's diplomacy going on in geneva right now with the iranian foreign minister, some european foreign ministers, president trump right now has said he's going to wait two weeks before he makes a decision what to happen next. what are you hoping for from these different diplomatic pieces? >> peace. the peace treaty will come out of it. >> and president trump waiting two weeks to make a decision. what do you think about that? >> it's too much. >> why? >> because we have no time. you see what's going in the middle time? >> well, what? there's more destruction. >> they have to sit now and negotiate and design a treaty. it's not a big deal. and do it. >> in your understanding. president trump's analysis of what's going on is giving time for diplomacy. it appears. are
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you happy with with what you hear from him? because one day it seems to be his leaning towards the military action. another day seems to be leaning towards diplomacy. what's your sense? >> a fixed answer i can't get from trump and this bothers me. why? because i like stability, and i think that he has to give me this stability. >> your leaders here don't want to push him one way or another in the country. >> talk to them. why you interview me when you walk away from this? >> now what's. what's next? how do you how do you. how do you keep the city working and functioning? because i hear from your teams, you have a very clear directive. in 24 hours, i want the city looking normal again. why is that? >> because you can't live in the middle of a war. people don't like it. people are worried
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about their kids. the income. no income in war i've seen photographs where there's been a bomb one night and repairs by the morning. >> it's about resilience. speak to me about the resilience. >> yeah, we. there was a bomb which destroyed the whole area. and i stood there and i stood five hours and after five hours, it was totally repaired. and people who came there got up in the morning and took their car and moved over there. didn't believe that there was a war there. >> and but this just so we understand this is so that you can so that the population doesn't get psychologically beaten down so that they can put up with this over, over a period of time. >> the most important thing in the war, which keep them normal. >> people. >> otherwise they will run away from here. and if they will run away from here, they will be a lot of disorder all over.
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>> and how is the city? how are the people of this city handling this? >> look, i'm telling you, nobody is leaving the city. ask me, how do i know it? and i'll answer you. >> how do you. >> know it? i'm running the water system. >> and the same amount of water is getting used. you can't feel good in a situation like this. but, but, but do you feel that you're. i mean, what do you feel that the city could do better? what do you want to do better? what is it. >> the city does well? the people are very obedient. they behave fabulous. i love them. >> sir, thank you very much. you go back to helping them. thank you for speaking with us. >> it's the first time you're in haifa. >> no, i've been here before. in better days. >> it's a special city. >> yeah, it's a special city. you have all the different communities. they live together, work together? yeah. that's special. >> and it shows. it's possible. >> thank you very much, wolf. i
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think speaking to the mayor here, a man of huge experience in this city of the city's difficulties, its darker days, and this is one of them. and if it's better days. but i think you don't get a better analysis of how this city tries to cope than that. yeah. >> so gripping. >> i just want to ask nick. nick, if the mayor is still there. mayor yona yahav, i wonder if you could ask him. he pointed out correctly that haifa is a mixed city. it's got a huge jewish population, but also a large number of israeli arabs and muslims live in haifa as well. in previous confrontations with arab countries, whether jordan or syria or egypt. haifa was usually avoided because of the large arab population in the city. i wonder if you could ask him why he thinks iran is directing missiles and rockets at haifa with its significant arab population. there wolf, i'm going to ask him. >> i have another question, because my colleague wolf blitzer is speaking to me in my ear. i'm talking with wolf
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blitzer. you know, he raises a very good question. this is a city with with a big arab population, both muslim and christian. and we were in the church earlier today where there's an underground car park. the church, the priest has opened it for everyone. >> if i had told you that this is the case, you wouldn't believe. >> so previously, when there had been conflicts in the region, the aggressors against israel avoid haifa because it has a mixed population. it has a muslim population. it has a christian population. question is, why do you think iran is doing this now? is targeting haifa? >> they want to destroy the relation. >> the relation between arab and jew and christian. >> to show that it's impossible according to their conception but we proved it 100 years. it's possible. and nobody will break it as long as i am mayor here or. or play around. >> and why? why do you have that success? why is that success in keeping the communities
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together? >> when i decided at the age of 12 to become mayor of haifa. >> you were an early starter. >> yeah. i drew out ten jobs, which i have to go through, the first of which was to work with teddy kollek. you remember teddy kollek, the mayor of jerusalem? and i succeeded to be the head of his office. so he asked me, why did you come? so i told him, i said, i'll give you the first. idea there is no fiscal system, which is putting taxes on owner. owner? the people unlimited and especially the minorities. and this is what i'm doing 40 years. and in this elections, i won among the arabs 92%. have you ever had. >> is there another mayor in israel who can have that same claim? >> no, no.
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>> so what's your message to the other mayors in israel to get this coexistence. >> nicely? >> do you think they're not are they not behaving nicely? >> no. they will return the arabs, return it. >> if you look after them, if you treat them. >> well. >> but what? what does that mean? because i was speaking to a young arab last night, and he was saying to me, look, i would i, i don't feel that this is my place, my country. he said, i feel and he lives in this city. what's your message to them? >> i don't know if he was born here. if he was born here. this is not his answer. if he's a new comer from outside. >> he was born. >> was born here right? i'm very sad that he said it, but i would like to meet him. >> we'll sort it out. thank you. mayor wolf. i think the search goes on and clearly. clearly, at the moment, i think we're going to expect the details on what is precisely
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happened to change and what will get them back to you as soon as we do. >> nic robertson in haifa for us, i should point out that haifa also has a very significant israeli druze population living there as well. nic robertson, thank you very, very much. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. >> billionaire boys club premieres sunday, july 13th on cnn. >> we were the first music publisher pioneering music rights and music publishing rights in the middle east everyone is passionate about the mission of pop arabia. >> the company is built by artists for artists we've had the opportunity to bring some of the best songwriters and producers from around the world to come to abu dhabi. >> abu dhabi is a great place to grow a business. it's exciting. >> there are days i feel stuck in my head. even on an antidepressant, lingering
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it would take a couple of weeks to complete the production of that weapon. >> here with us now is senior national security reporter zach cohen. with all these conflicting messages. zach, just how close was iran to having not only a nuclear weapon, but also the carrier? because that's part of the equation, too. >> yeah. well, let's start with what we know about iran's intent, right. like is there evidence and does the u.s. believe and does israel believe that iran had made a decision to complete the work of building a bomb? right. it's the final step in the process. but you have to put all the pieces together. the u.s. intelligence community assessment has been and remains even before and after the israeli strikes, that there was no evidence that iran had made the decision to start that process of building the actual bomb itself. that's something obviously, the israelis have pushed back on and said that they come to a very different conclusion. they believe that iran was using negotiations with the u.s. to secretly start that process. but the white house, even just yesterday, acknowledging that the supreme leader of iran had not made that decision yet. so
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that's really a key sort of moment. and we haven't seen a shift there as far as the u.s. is concerned. but at the same time, that's also what tulsi gabbard trump's director of national intelligence, testified to back in march, adding, and this is something that is agreed upon across the scale that iran does have enough enriched uranium to produce a bomb so they could if they wanted to, but they've decided not to. but take a listen to what tulsi gabbard testified in march the ic continues to assess that iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and supreme leader khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended. >> in 2003, iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons. >> so there again, there is unanimous consensus here amongst the uae or the iaea, which is independent watchdog. the israelis and the u.s., that iran does have enough enriched uranium to produce a nuclear bomb and to do it within a matter of months, according to some timelines. again, they differ in the opinion of whether
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or not iran has decided to start that process. the other sort of issue here, though, too, is whether or not iran could develop a a delivery system, a viable delivery system, in addition to essentially deliver that weapon toward a target of its choosing. right. and that was the intelligence community assessment that we reported on earlier this week that put the timeline for them to be able to have that delivery system up to three years. so there is some picking and choosing of certain details and facts here, based on the sense of urgency of the parties involved. but everybody does agree in the u.s. has agreed or has thought this since the beginning, that iran has not made that decision to actively start building a nuclear weapon, though the timeline could be short if they decided to do so. and some are concerned that the ongoing military conflict with israel could make iran want to pivot and start that process. >> so the assessment is it would take them a long time to a build a nuclear bomb, but then to have a nuclear bomb warhead on a missile that could reach, let's say, tel aviv. >> well, tel aviv, but also the
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united states, the united states has really connected themselves to the iranian nuclear threat. they've said that their nuclear program poses an existential threat not only to israel, but to the united states itself. iran does not currently have the capability to deliver a nuclear warhead to the united states, or to tel aviv. that timeline is much longer than what it would take for them to make an actual bomb itself. >> the israeli officials keep telling me if iran were able to do that with one drop of a bomb on tel aviv, they could kill hundreds of thousands, if not a million israelis. >> absolutely. and we know that iran has been pursuing sort of more some shortcuts and some crude potential opportunities to deliver a nuclear weapon that don't require a delivery system either. so that is part of the concern. and calculation. obviously, donald trump weighing all of this as he decides whether or not to strike iran's nuclear facilities. >> that fear is clearly motivating the israelis right now. all right, zach cohen, thanks very, very much, pamela. >> all right, wolf, and just ahead, as iran meets with key european leaders, is diplomacy
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joining us. as you know, president trump says he will make a final decision about iran in two weeks. two weeks. his words. how do you read that decision? is there still, in your opinion, a realistic chance of a diplomatic or peaceful solution? >> well. >> if i'd say one thing, diplomacy with a firm deadline can be very effective. so if this is a firm deadline with clear expectations, that actually can be conducive to diplomacy, i'll just give an example. you know, when i worked with steve witkoff, who's now president trump's current envoy in the last few couple months of last year after the election on the hamas gaza ceasefire, we had a combination of a few things. we had a deadline on the inauguration date. we had real pressure on hamas that had been increasing throughout the past year. hezbollah, the key ally of hamas, had already cut a deal around thanksgiving time, and we had very clear expectations that all kind of lined up to create. we got an agreement and a ceasefire in gaza. hostage is
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coming out. so i'm looking at the next two weeks, if you have a firm deadline, clear expectations, it has a chance for diplomacy to succeed. we should want it to succeed. but i'm looking at this, wolf, and i give this i have very low expectations. the meeting today in geneva looks to be a cast of thousands, about 30 people in the room or so. that is really not conducive to diplomacy or getting an agreement. the iranians are very defiant from all of their public statements. it seems like they are not budging at all, and may not even realize the difficult situation they're in. so i hope that diplomacy can succeed. i think if this dediplomacy a low odds, and i think you also have to be preparing in that circumstance. the military option and moving forces into the region again to show the iranians. also, if diplomacy fails, the president is prepared
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to use force, particularly on fordow. so as i see right now, i'm hopeful diplomacy can succeed. i just don't see the stars aligning for that. but we got to give it a shot. >> we'll see what happens. how does this new two week diplomatic push impact israel's calculations as it tries to basically destroy iran's nuclear capability? >> i think if it's the full two weeks, obviously israel is going to do all it can to continue to degrade the nuclear facilities. the ballistic missile facilities, iran's military power. but the key question, wolf, as you and i have been talking now for a week, this crisis started about a week ago, is fordow, and fordow is something that has vexed multiple administrations. we have a military option designed specifically for it. the israelis really don't. the israelis can do. you just mentioned this earlier on the show. they did an operation in syria against an iranian missile
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facility, the same depth, about about 300ft, same depth as depth as fordow. they did that operation with a commando raid. they called it operation many ways. and that was a signal to iran to show, you know, we have we the israelis have many ways to do something like this. but fordow is very different. fordow is much farther. it's about 1400km compared to 200km away from israel, where that syria facility was much higher magnitude of risk. but i would suspect that the israelis are looking at options like that to try to dismantle the fordo site. should the americans not come in. bottom line, let's use this time wisely. let's try to give diplomacy a shot. we'll see what comes out of geneva today. but right now, i think we're still kind of in the same spot we've been in over the last week or so. >> bret, do you see iran being open to the possibility of giving up their nuclear program in the face of what many say could be a existential threat to
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the iranian regime? >> i think i'm looking at, again, wolf, at these scenes in geneva. it's very interesting. it is the same hotel where the jcpoa was negotiated in 2015. it's the same hotel where i did hostage negotiations with the iranians. the iranian individuals abbas araghchi, the foreign minister is the same guy who is there for that. the europeans are different, and the iranians have consistently had a position that they will not give up their enrichment program. however, their situation today is fundamentally changed. they're in such a weakened state, but iranian decision making, wolf, for abbas araghchi to show up with the new instructions, they're a very top down system. usually they would have a meeting with the supreme leader or with the their equivalent of the national security council. they call the supreme council for national security. most members of that body have been killed. so even for the iranians to come up with
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a more flexible position under these circumstances, it seems like they haven't because they're on the same talking points. they're on before the crisis. so you're asking the right question. the easiest way out of this crisis. if i was talking to the iranians right now, take the deal that steve witkoff put on the table about six weeks ago. from my understanding, it's a balanced deal. it's a fair deal. i don't know every detail in it. if iran if abbas araghchi were to call steve witkoff today and say, actually, we've relooked at this, we take the deal. i think this crisis is over. and my understanding that would mean no enrichment, particularly at that fordow site, that this crisis has to end with fordow. those cascades cannot be in fordow at the end of the day, hopefully by a deal, if not by other means. >> and very quickly, brett, before i let you go, why isn't the u.s. directly participating in these geneva talks it's a key question. >> the u.s. has to be at the table. iran right now is saying
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they will not negotiate so long as israel's military campaign is going on. i don't think israel's military campaign is going to stop just to negotiate. but it's a key question because, look, what does iran want? iran wants the military campaign to stop, and they want sanctions relief out of the deal. those are things only the americans can really deliver. the europeans can't. these are american sanctions. so you're absolutely right. without the americans at the table, there's really no clear path to a diplomatic outcome. i think the europeans will use today to get more information from iraq and the iranians, see if there's any possible way forward. but again, my my expectations here are pretty low as i'm seeing this unfold on the right track. >> as usual, bret, you always help us appreciate what's going on. thank you very, very much. pamela. >> yeah, that's a really important question you asked, wolf. why isn't the trump administration part of those talks? all right. coming up right here in the situation room, what are the risks that president trump decides to strike iran? a former middle east adviser who served in the pentagon during the obama era iran nuclear deal negotiations,
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>> first of all, i'm looking at the relationship between the political reasons for going to war versus the intelligence reasons and how that intelligence is being used to justify war. i was in iraq during the first weeks of the iraq invasion. you know, as a translator, suited up in chemical suits before realizing that that whole thing was based on a lie. the danger here is when we have a political reason. benjamin netanyahu, right now, when he has already made up his mind to go to war, then it's very easy, wolf, as we both saw in iraq, for that intelligence to be used to justify a pre-made decision versus beintuation ande out whether we need to go to war. so that's just, first of all, in terms of the in unintended consequences and the risks of going to war in the region, we always talk about and i hear this a lot about iran's military capabilities and how
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they're much less impressive than israel's military capabilities. and that's completely true. there's no parity objectively between the two. but the thing is, wolf, iran doesn't need to parity with israel in order to inflict serious, serious damage on israel. across the region and to u.s. forces stationed in the region and u.s. interests as well. so i'm looking at if iran is cornered in these negotiations, if there's no diplomatic off ramp, then it feels like a cornered animal. it feels like it has nothing left to lose. and therefore, let's burn the house down. and that's when we start to see the real risks that will affect not just israelis, not just americans, wolf, but really everyone living in the region arabs, israelis, iranians alike. >> and u.s. troops potentially as well. about 40,000 u.s. troops stationed throughout the middle east right now. jasmine, as you know, the french president, emmanuel macron, says european diplomats will push
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iran to agree to zero enrichment of uranium during today's high stakes negotiations in geneva. do you see any chance at all that tehran would agree to that? >> i think, and as i heard you say earlier, wolf, in your earlier conversation, the u.s. is really the key here, not the europeans. it all hinges upon whether donald trump decides to enter this war with israel, and that, i think, will tell us a lot about how the iranians are going to respond. now, the iranians have reached out to their arab neighbors in the region, and they've said, listen, we'll come back to the table. if the u.s. doesn't get involved. so i think that's the key opportunity here is to look at elements and ways to de-escalate. and one way to do that is to try to bring iran back to the table, which it already was at the table. just as a reminder, when this all when this all started to try to bring iran to the table to say, okay, we won't go in, but if you don't want this to move forward in a way that's really bad for you, you need to come
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back to the table as well. wolf, i think this is a really and i've been saying this recently because i think it's really notable. this is the first time in decades that you have a middle east region where every arab country has stated publicly its willingness to work with israel to move this region past the wars and the conflicts, and to turn a new page. most of the countries in the region now are in peace treaties with israel. even the new government in syria under ahmed al-sharaa has said, we don't want war with israel. we want to cooperate. you have a government in lebanon that, for the first time in decades, is an anti hezbollah government and is working to disarm hezbollah. so this is a real opportunity, wolf, for diplomacy to have a chance with all of the actors involved to get to a solution that is comfortable for everybody. >> you make really excellent points. jasmine el-gamal, thank you so much for joining us. we will continue these conversations to be sure. pamela.
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