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use things like honey, apple juice. >> reporter: in this neighborhood, the seeds of healthy eating have definitely taken root. cnn, miami. that's it for this edition of "360." thanks for watching. "larry king" starts right now. see you tomorrow night. >> larry: tonight breaking news. the times square terror suspects in custody, arrested on a plane after the door closes, minutes from takeoff and a flight to freedom. u.s. citizen faisal shahzad is now charged with the most serious crimes anyone could commit against america. >> it is clear that this was a terrorist plot aimed at murdering americans in one of the busiest places in our country. >> larry: how did a guy on a no fly list almost escape?
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why was he in pakistan for five months? how does his neighbor feel about her children playing with a suspected terrorist's kids? didn't have a clue. the international investigation continues with this warning. >> in the eyes of terrorists, new york is america, and they want to come back to kill us. >> larry: next, on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. let's get right to the latest. cnn's mary snow is in bridgeport, connecticut. she is at the suspect, faisal shahzad's last known address. who live there's now, mary? >> we haven't seen anyone who has lived here, larry, and this block had been cornered off for most of the day, all of last night as federal investigators had been searching through the home. and some neighbors thought that the house was abandoned. they didn't realize that anyone was living there.
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>> larry: do we know where his wife and children are? >> you know, according to the court documents, he apparently said that his wife remained in pakistan after he traveled there. you mention head had spent a few months in pakistan. what we do know, his last address before here in bridgeport was in shelton, connecticut, and that's where he lad lived with his wife. his neighbors say he had two children. the neighbors say that they last were seen there in july of last year. and that shahzad had left earlier than that. the home was in foreclosure. it's not clear, though, where the family is right now. >> larry: mary, the bomb didn't go off. he ran away. what is he charged with? >> there are five charges that were brought against him, including attempting to use weapons of mass destruction, the maximum penalty there life in prison. so we do know that he is cooperating with authorities.
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he did not appear in court today. he is not expected to be in court tomorrow. and basically, prosecutors want him to keep cooperating. he has already said that he had admitted that he brought that nissan pathfinder to times square with the intention of detonating it, and he also admitted to training in pakistan. >> larry: now he was talking before he was mirandized and after, is that correct? >> well, we've been able to learn from a law enforcement source is that he waived his right to an attorney and he has been cooperating. >> larry: do we know where he specifically is right now? >> presumably he is being held in custody in new york city, as we speak. >> larry: and what about investigative efforts in nearby shelton, connecticut, the home where his family lived? we have a lot of investigator there's too?
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>> we saw investigators there. they were there for several hours early this evening and late afternoon, and we did see fbi, i.c.e. agents, state police. we saw them removing at least three bags of materials. they also went into a neighbor's home for a short time. but, you know, that house had not been blocked off earlier today. so it was a late development throughout the day that they went to that shelton home. again, you know, from what we know, that home had been in foreclosure, and neighbors say that the family had not been there for several months, and that it had been vacant. >> larry: thank you, mary. mary snow on top of the scene, one of the better correspondents in the field. thank you so much. let's go now to islamabad, pakistan, and reza sayah, the cnn international correspondent. what is the latest? have there been arrest there's,
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reza? >> there have been a couple arrests, a couple of individuals arrested in karachi. we don't know the identity of the individuals. according to government officials here in pakistan, faisal shahzad did have a karachi id, a karachi residence, a house in karachi in this neighborhood according to an intelligence source was raided, two individuals detained and being questioned at this hour, larry. >> larry: now he was legally in the united states, but back and forth to pakistan a lot. what do we know about what he did when he was there? >> well, based on the investigation here so far, based on what we're learning about faisal shahzad, it was really no red flags, no indications that he was headed for a life of militancy. government officials telling cnn he lived pretty much a normal life. they tell us he was from a village in northwest pakistan
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just outside of peshawar. his father eventually moved the family to peshawar. we found their house. it was empty. the father was not there. local residents telling us he probably left earlier on that day. according to government officials and police there, his father was identified as bahar ul haq, a vice marshall in the pakistani air force, by all accounts an upstanding citizen who served his country. obviously according to u.s. investigators, his son took a very different path and took militant training in nearby waziristan in the tribal region. well also found a cousin who said the family was shocked and reeling at this developments, and he defended the family. let's take a listen to what the cousin had to say. >> this is certain that these people, they never indulged in any criminal activities. not a family member, not the village from which both of these people belongs. none of the village members
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involved in any criminal activities or any jihad activities. >> once again, faisal shahzad's cousin defending the family. but look for those family members to come under severe scrutiny by pakistani authorities, as this investigation unfolds, larry. >> larry: reza, u.s. authorities say he told investigators he received bomb-making training in pakistan. now what do we make of that if all these people are saying he had nothing to do with violence? >> well, at this point, it's much too early. with individuals like this, larry, you really don't know at this point what is in their head, whether they're lying, whether they're telling the truth. if indeed he is telling the truth, if indeed he received militant training in the waziristan training, in a notorious tribal belt along the afghan border, it's not the first time.
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it's not unusual. it's one of the more troubling fact here is in pakistan that that region is loaded with militant groups. the pakistani taliban, the afghan taliban, al qaeda link groups, all of them with declared desires to kill americans. was this individual linked to one of these militant groups, or was he working alone? that's something pakistani investigators will be helping u.s. investigators find out, larry. >> larry: thanks, reza sayah on the scene, cnn international correspondent in islamabad. >> larry: three of the former suspect's former neighbors join us next. one lived next to him, one across the street, one in the house behind him. they knew he didn't like sunlight. what else caught their attention? that's next.
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faisal shahzad in shelton, connecticut. she is with us on the phone. and live, debbie bussolari. and shahzad and his family used to live across the street from her. and mary ann gillich used to live in the home besides the shahzads. brenda, what did you make of it when you first heard who this bomb terrorist was? >> i was very shocked, kind of confused because he was the type of person that came out and play with his daughter, my daughter, someone i would least expect of him, but very sharp. >> larry: debbie, you lived across the street. did you see him a lot? >> yes, i live kind of kitty-corner across the street. only coincidentally, because i'm in and out, i would see them sometimes out in the front yard. i would also sometimes see his wife come home and bring the kids in the house, after shopping possibly. >> larry: were they like any other possible family? >> yes, i've been here eight years.
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i do remember them moving in approximately three years ago and okay, there is finally a young family that has moved into the house that had been empty for a while. and for a little while after that, a year or so, i remember them -- it being kind of quiet again, and then i saw them again. and last summer they had a tag sale and they moved out. the house has been empty for about a year now. >> larry: mary ann, did you have any kind of contact with him or his family? >> not really. we were -- i would see him, you know, they have their little picnics out in the backyard, because i lived in the become of them. and i seen them when they had their picnics on the backyard on their antibiotic, and they had a little swimming pool for the kids.
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and when they had their little tag sale, like i walked back and forth to work, and i see them out in the front yards and i would say hello and they say hi, and that was about it. >> larry: would they appear like an normal everyday family? >> a everyday family. like a normal family. >> larry: did you know what he did for a living? >> no, i did not. >> larry: brenda, what were your impressions of him? what did you think of? >> very concerned. he was very incognito. he liked to jog late at night in the wintertime. he would dress in all black. and in one incident, he kind of jumped over the fence and broke the fence and i approached him about it and asked him did he know that someone was in his backyard, someone broke the fence. and he advised me that it was him that jumped the fence. and he didn't like to be seen in
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the daylight. he liked to jog at night. >> larry: debbie, the "wall street journal" citing a law enforcement official says that in october -- two years ago he reported his marriage to a woman he identified as huma asif mian. did you ever talk to her? >> no, i did not. >> larry: did you see her a lot? >> they had their van parked in the front a lot. and once in a while i would see her on the front on the front steps, maybe with her child. and coming in and out of the car from shopping. that was about it. >> larry: mary ann, when you heard about the terror bombing and you find who the accused was, were you shocked? >> i was totally shocked. i was like petrified. i was like oh my god. i didn't believe that something over here would happen like this. >> larry: did you ever see any guns or ammunition in his car? >> no, i did not. >> larry: brenda, your daughter occasionally played with his little daughter, that right? >> yes, it was. my daughter always played with his daughter.
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he also came out and played with them on occasionally. and he really loved his kids. he liked to play with his kids. his wife didn't speak english until the day of the tag sale, i spoke with them and i wasn't aware that she knew english until the day of the tag sale. and he was the one who always spoke english. >> larry: we understand that he gave your son his old computer? >> he gave my daughter his old computer, yes. >> larry: has the authorities confiscated that computer? >> yes, they're in the process of confiscating. homeland security is in the process of confiscating the computer. >> larry: did he, to your knowledge, debbie, ever say anything against the united states? >> no, i never spoke. i never conversed with him at all. >> larry: mary ann, did you ever hear word that he said things against the united states? >> no, i did not. >> larry: we'll be back with our ladies, right after these words. don't go away.
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don't go away.9 >> larry: back with some more questions for our lady friends. brenda, do you know why the children weren't allowed in the united states? >> it was a part of their culture, he advised me. it was part of the culture. when it was time for her to have the baby, she went back to her country and had a little boy and came back two months later. >> larry: debbie, did he appear to be a devout muslim? >> no, i don't think so. i didn't see any indication of real religious following. they were just a young couple that lived here quietly and moved away. >> larry: mary ann, did they have a lot of friends in the neighborhood? >> not really. they have company, you know, like on the weekends, a couple weekends, and that was about it. there was no like in and people in and out of the house.
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>> larry: so you can all say you're shocked by this. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> surprised. >> very surprised. >> larry: brenda thurman, debbie bussolari, and mary ann gallich, thank you so much. two distinguished members, both from new york, peter king and congressman charles rangel. peter, i want to read a quote and check. did you say this? i hope that attorney general holder did discuss this with him, did discuss with the intelligence community if they believe they'd got enough from him, how much more did they get? did they mirandize him? i know he is an american citizen, but still. what did you mean by "an american citizen but still"? >> if a person is an american citizen, you're less likely to give him your miranda rights there are supreme court cases if you are an american citizen, even though he is a citizen, they could withhold rights. i thought a mistake was made at christmas time at the christmas bombing is they gave him his
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miranda rights almost immediately. and i believe that the attorney general should consult with the director of national intelligence, the head of the cia and all really even overseas allies to see if there is any information that we feel we have to get. now they did not give him his miranda rights i understand for almost eight or nine hours. they used the exception under the law, and they have now given him his rights. i understand he has waived them. he has waived his rights and continued to talk. >> larry: so charlie, are you surprising they're getting all this information? >> no, but i am surprised that peter is saying that the attorney general should check with a congressional committee before the arresting officers decide whether or not this is a case that miranda should be given or not given. you know, each case folds on the judgment that has to be made at
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the time by the argues officer. and just because it's a hideous crime doesn't mean that if a person is entitled to miranda, he is entitled to it. if you don't give it to him you blow the whole case. >> he doesn't have to be given rights because he can be tried in a military tribunal where you don't have to have your miranda rights. i was saying not check with congress, but check with the cia, check with the director of the national intelligence because -- >> when do you do all this checking, and under what circumstances would this guy be tried in a military court? he wasn't -- he is an american citizen. >> he was carrying out a terrorist act on behalf of a foreign entity. >> and so the military comes in? he was arrested by the fbi in new york. >> he can still be considered an enemy combatant as abdulmutallab. >> just like the nazi saboteurs that executed as enemy combatants. >> this is an american citizen, pete. if we're talking about the same thing. >> a supreme court decisions and a person who is working for a foreign power can be declared an enemy combatant and does not have to have the miranda warnings. >> larry: is there a danger, peter, that if you don't mirandize, you could wind up
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winning a pyrrhic victory and having it thrown out by the courts? >> the military tribunal is a valid trial for an enemy combatant. the point i'm making, this person could have such knowledge, such information, such intelligence, remember, he has been as far as we know in a terrorist training camp. we could tell us where that camp is. he could tell white house the instructors are. he could tell us are there any other americans at the camp. >> larry: apparently he is. >> we don't know. >> the question is really moot. >> except that the attorney general did wait. unlike christmas he waited nine or ten hours. they questioned him for nine or ten hours before they gave him his miranda rights. they claimed a national exception, which i think is the right thing to do. >> larry: i want to ask the congressman what they make of the security picture, what they make of this, how much danger this city and state is. in we'll be right back. is a hir 50,000 crash-tested cars. this is the world record for longevity and endurance...
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around the world and here at home, there are those who would
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attack our citizens and who would slaughter innocent men, women, and children in pursuit of their murderous agenda. they will stop at nothing to kill and disrupt our way of life. but once again, an attempted attack has been failed. >> larry: we're back. congressman rangel, aren't you impressed with the way the city handled this? >> always. my city always makes me very proud. and i do hope that the president and the federal authorities recognize that new york city is a target. people come there. they don't let fear or anything stop them from going about their work. they will not be terrorized by terrorists. and i felt even more proud of the vendor who said if you see something, say something. >> larry: peter, are you
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surprised there haven't been more of this? >> yes, because, and this is one thing charlie and i agree on completely. new york city is the number one terrorist target in the entire country. the nypd, my father was a member of the nypd years ago, under ray kelly they are doing a phenomenal job. but we have a thousand police officers in new york city working on counterterrorism. the average city has two or three. but this is extremely expensive. and we have tunnels. we have bridges. we have roadways. we have a subway system we have ports. we have icons. we have wall street. we have so many churches and synagogues. we have times square. and yet we don't get the federal support. i'm not making this partisan. i could be critical of both administrations. one thing pressing right now, as we saw saturday night, the real fear is an attack would be launched from the outer boroughs or the suburbs. and christian kelly wants to set up a secure the cities program that would have radiation detectors on all the entrances to the city and this year the
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administration has cut off all funding for that. last year that happened too and charlie one of those that supported funding the program. this is true of both parties. if the administration would stop look agent this in the strictly accounting way and realize if there is an attack on new york, there will be terrible loss of life, but also it will have a devastating effect on the economy. even from a dollars and cents point of view, it makes sense to put these programs in place in new york city. >> well, i tell you one thing, new york pays for the security of other countries around the world. and normally i say the writers of the constitution knew exactly what they were doing. but when they gave every state two senators, that screwed up the whole thing. >> larry: all right. charlie, how did a guy on a no-fly zone list get on a plane? >> you ask? i've been asking that. this is the second time to my knowledge that this has happened. the young nigerian was on no fly, and he got on the plane. so let me say this, larry. trying to be as positive as i can. whatever went wrong, i hope they get their acts together and correct it. we learn every day. and the good thing about this is that nobody was hurt in either case. but that's the question.
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and someone ought to come up with the answer and see that it doesn't happen again. >> larry: congressman king, you and senator kirsten gillibrand, a great are contacting other lawmakers and you're urging them to include $20 million in a fiscal appropriations bill for the continuation of the securing the cities initiative. what does that money do? >> larry, this is a program which commissioner kelly started about five, six years ago, and it sets up radiation detectors on all the roads, tunnels, bridges leading into manhattan from the suburbs and the tri-state area, connecticut, new jersey, and new york. there is about 70 police and fire departments involved. it's a very effective program. and yet this year the president has cut off funding for it. and senator gillibrand and i as well as congressman rangel and schumer are working in a bipartisan way to have that money resourced. it's absolutely essential. and again, manhattan -- new york city is the target, but manhattan is the epicenter of new york. and that's for the rest of the
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world, when they think of new york, they think of manhattan, just like they thought of the world trade center. now they think of time square and other landmarks around the city. i don't want to give anybody ideas. but there are so many landmarks which are known all over the world. so this is essential. i don't know why the president took this money out in the first place. it's needed. it's absolutely essential. and there is a bipartisan effort in new york to restore that funding. >> larry: charlie, you agree? >> there is no question about it. we've shown the expertise, but you need resources. given the resources, we can provide the model forrest of the country. but there is no institute for new yorkers' spirit. and i think that makes me proud that it's business as usual. people are going around, enjoying the city and enjoying our great country.
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>> larry: at that hearing today at that press conference, eric holder, the hhs secretary napolitano, representatives of the fbi, nypd were present. what do you make of the absence of the intelligence community, charlie? >> i guess they're so intelligent they didn't show up. but quite frankly, i did not follow pete when he was saying that all of these committees who worked so well together how they do it, i don't know, and i don't really want to know. all i know is that the system has worked. it continues to work after that terrible tragedy of 9/11. there has been a few incidents and even those foreclosed the ability of these people to hurt us. i don't care who shows taunt press conference. all i want to do is make sure that the security works. and god has been good to us. it has been working. >> larry: congressman king, holder says new york city is still under consideration as a trial venue for khalid shaikh muhammad what do you think of that? >> i think it's wrong. it certainly does not belong in new york. it would turn lower manhattan into an armed camp you.
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talk to the business people down there. you talk to the residents there. this is democrat and republican. i've testified before the new york city council. they're all 100% against it. this was the wrong thing. attorney general holder decided to have this trial there without ever speak once to the police commissioner of new york, to the head of the federal protective service. he had no idea what the logistical consequences were. the head of the protective service testified before the homeland security and he said they could not provide perimeter security for more than two weeks. this trial could go on for two years. commissioner kelly would have to have -- again, it would be virtually an armed camp in lower manhattan. 10 to me it's one of the worst ideas ever. why the attorney general continues to persist in this, the president apparently has told people he wants it out of new york. >> larry: i'm pressed on time. so next time charlie is on, we'll give him a chance to respond. thank you both very much. >> thank you, larry. >> larry: congressman larry king, congressman charlie rangel. >> thanks, larry. >> larry: our next guest might
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we're back. paul is a fellow on nyu center of security. he has worked with nic robertson on ac 360 special american al qaeda. which begins on monday. harvey kushner is a best-selling author whose book includes "holy war on the home front." and jack rice, criminal defense attorney and investigative journalist, a former cia officer. okay. jack, we'll start with you. the most significant thing we have learned about shahzad so far is what? >> most significant thing that we really have on an international basis is there is this connection of pakistan. earlier, we had no idea whether this was a lone wolf or not. but if there is somebody rolling out of pakistan now, the investigates continues
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domestically, but we also have to look internationally now, because the resources are different, the connections are different and where he may have come from, who may trained him and who may have driven him into the states to do what he has done. all of those are issues that we have to really look at very closely now. >> larry: paul, is this -- what is the thing that most surprise use about all of this? >> well, the most important thing about all of this is his claim today that he was trained in bomb-making in waziristan. that's al qaeda's safe haven in pakistan. it brings al qaeda into play. it brings the pakistani taliban into play as a group he might be involved into. it brings uzbek groups into play. these groups have all sort of gone into the global jihad business recently. the pakistani taliban have claimed responsibility for this attack. in the past, officials have
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viewed these claims as sometimes reliable and sometimes not reliable. well, the fact that he actually went over to pakistan and trained there may mean that they were in fact responsible for this. but it's too early to tell. officials tonight say that's still an open line of inquiry, larry. >> larry: all right. harvey, what about the report he received some bomb training in waziristan? do you find that report credible? >> i don't know how that is going to shake out, larry, but what i find amazing about this is it tells us we have the new era of terrorism in the united states. the christmas day bomber with somebody who went outside this country, had some training in yemen, it shows us that we made some great progress in fighting al qaeda and taking apart its structured side, and the ability to pull big events, blowing a naval vessel out of the water, larry, taking down the trade towers, blowing up embassies. this is sort of dumbing down the target. not to say that times square isn't a hardened target or an
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important target. but that was our greatest fear here in law enforcement, that they would now pinpoint areas where people congregate, not necessarily major symbols such as a naval vessel or a building. this i think is very telling, and unfortunately, i think this is the bad news about this. i think this is the new face of the new type of terrorism we're going face in the decades to come. >> larry: jack, it's apparent, though, if he got training, he didn't get good train, did he? >> you're absolutely right, larry. that's the one thing we can look at. i talked about this the other night. this question of pitiful was what we saw earlier on. if you look at the bomb-making efforts here. if this was the training that he received, then clearly they have some problems in their educational structure. so if that's what we have.
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but i think if we look at where we're going, i think your other guests make very valid points here. if we look at where this man is and what we're looking at in the future, we may be seeing softer targets, simpler targets, targets that aren't grand in scale, but at the same time in some ways are much, much harder to defend because i can take you any place from san diego to maine to iowa, and how do you stop everything in its place? that's what makes it so difficult. it's not just the holland tunnel anymore. >> larry: paul, when the pakistani taliban claimed responsibility for the bomb attempt, many experts dismissed it. should that claim be taken more seriously now? >> i think it needs to be taken more seriously. the fact he was in pakistan, this is a group that in 2008 did orchestrate a plot to attack subways in barcelona. spanish authority thinks that was a legitimate plot, and they were really responsible. they claimed responsibility for that one. and that helped secure convictions in a trial in spain after that plot. i think it is a possibility that this group was responsible for
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this. but we're going to find out much more in the weeks to come, larry. >> larry: harvey, what about the fact that there was gun and ammunition found in the car? law enforcement sources have told cnn that it was a 9 millimeter rifle semiautomatic. he purchased it less than two months ago. was what was he doing with a gun, do you think? >> larry, i don't know. i don't know if that's part of the training he had. i don't think so. this is probably a scared individual, obviously an individual who didn't want to die in the blast. so he wasn't a suicide bomber, that's for sure. i think he knew he heard in the media that they were looking for somebody such as him. i know he probably left a trail and was trying to high-tail it out of this country. we got very lucky. we were able to bring him back off the tarmac and arrest him in apprehension. i think it's very chilling also, larry to take a logistic at when in fact he got his citizenship was a year ago. prior to 9/11, we vetted people quite differently than we do
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today. i think we're going to have to roll back and take a look at people from certain regions of the world that gain citizenship here, where they might have been, where they might have traveled there might be some clues in this. quite frankly, this wasn't a harvard graduate or an m.i.t.-trained person. he tried to get out by buying a ticket with cash. he did it from the car. he made all the mistakes. and as the other guest said before, he wasn't very skillful in putting to the bomb. but all that said, larry, i think that it's indicative of a new type of terrorism we're going to face here with the softer target. and with people step tongue the plate who never stepped up before. >> and larry, he is an american citizen, but he has lived here for ten years. so it's very possible that he was radicalized here in the united states. >> larry: i want to get to that. >> in the united states occurring radicalization. >> larry: i'll get right to that. back with more. don't go away. -oh, yeah. -oh, wow! [ female announcer ] for two free samples, go to [ female announcer ] for two free samples,
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>> larry: anderson cooper is about to host "ac 360" at the top of the hour. i think i know the lead. >> well, larry, tonight we're
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keeping them honest. the latest on the oil spill in a truly stunning statement by michael brown, head of fema during katrina. remember him? the brownie doing a heck of a job, remember that guy? said he wanted the oil spill to spread and is using it, part of a plot to stop all offshore drilling. can he prove it? does he have the facts to back it up? an interview you do not want to miss. and you've been covering with the late new details on the times square bombing suspect. a lot coming to light this evening. we have the latest on his life in the states, his bomb training and fresh information on his capture. plus, another terror case. how a young american went from altar boy to al qaeda. those stories at the top of the hour, larry. >> larry: that's anderson cooper, ac 360, 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. it's cruickshank, right, paul? i want to get it right. >> that's right.
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>> larry: there is no "ik" in the "cruick." you mentioned about faisal being in the united states for a decade. does that suggest to you he was a terrorist sleeper? >> not necessarily. that's part of the problem. the radicalization issue can happen over a manner of months, not necessarily over a matter of years. we have to take a look at what has happened in britain, where you have first generation british citizens of pakistani descent where we have seen this, sometimes coming out of pakistan, that radicalization. sometimes it's actually coming out of britain. so the idea that it may actually come out of the united states isn't completely unreasonable. we can look at this and say oh, is this a master plan over ten years? to be honest, i doubt that. this is something that could have happened very, very quickly, very, very recently. if we have information about
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this man walking away from his home or losing his home, losing his job, we don't know which, what drives people to do the things that they do? we never know whether or not they're right-wing christian radicals, whether or not they're jihad jane and drives them to do that, or whether or not it's this young man who decides to do what he does. >> larry: paul we had two experts on last night, both of whom agreed. there is virtually nothing you can do to stop car bombers. would you agree to that? >> it's very, very difficult to stop these sorts of attacks where people can get these devices and put them in a car. you can drive around, put them anywhere. it's very difficult to prevent car bombs. it's very difficult to prevent devices being plotted on subways. you have to rely on intelligence, actually preventing the attack before it happen, larry. that's right. >> larry: harvey, are you encouraged by the fact that he is talking openly to authorities before mirandizing, after mirandizing, that he is revealing lots of things.
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isn't that encouraging? >> you would think it would be encouraging but i'm not so sanguine about mirandizing him so quickly before congressman king mentioned it, the supreme court decisions that say you don't have to mirandize him and could be a military tribunal trial. let's face it. that is a very important question. i think we flubbed it with the christmas day bomber when we gave him his rights up front. with this individual, i did notice it was made clear in the statements by holder he was given those rights. quite frankly, i don't worry about it being thrown out in a court. i think we have to become more sophisticated extrapolating information from these individuals what they know and when they tell us. we shouldn't be that concerned, larry. i think it takes us down a wrong street and very dangerous to worry about that first. >> larry: all right. we'll be right back with our panels. time now for tonight's "larry king live" top 25 moment. what you're about to see is
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number four on my own personal list of top moments. in 1995, rabin, king hussein of jordan and yasser arafat all sat down on this program, historic, together. watch. >> wrenching events in the middle east. >> larry: it's family. palestinians and the jews are second cousins. you have a family argument dispute and two faiths. >> attack, counterattack, revenge, retribution. >> someone said to me, you could be a diplomat, you could be a peace broker. >> together for the first time ever on television, jordan's king hussein, israel prime minister yitzhak rabin and plo leader yasser arafat talk about peace in the middle east. >> very interesting night. intellectual night, thoughtful
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night. as bill clinton told me, he's not sure it's solvable. he came very close and arafat turned that deal down and still doesn't know why he turned that deal down. >> in the west bank, we can have very soon our election freely. >> what is needed to carry out elections and then to discuss the further deployment, i believe, the first of july is possible. >> between the palestinians and israelis, leaders of both, i find myself nodding as each one talks. it's both their land. sad. >> we are looking for comprehensive lasting peaceful solution between the arabs and the israelis. >> the time is in our hands and the results are dependent on what we will do. >> we must make sure that peace is achieved for future generations. >> larry: all three now gone.
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winding up with our top experts. i guarantee you all three will be back. jack, is it safe to say there are other faisal shahzad's in this country? >> yes. remember, there's not necessarily a finite number. every time you take one down,
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there is another or one created by another extremist. that is part of the problem. every decision we make, we have to make based upon what we have already seen but what we may create. that's why the responses we have to take are the most logical. back to this last guest, frankly, i think mirandizing worked well in that case. frankly, it worked well in this case. whether it works well in a courtroom or otherwise, we want to make sure we can go after this guy, too, and get the intelligence. >> larry: will we see more car bombings in the country. >> we're seeing growing radicalization, a real problem. there have been 16 cases of americans becoming implicated in terms the last years and it's deeply worrying to counter-terrorism officials. >> larry: overall, what's your biggest fear? >> i think we have seen it. i have a dire warning.
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we saw on christmas day, time square, two people that didn't get it necessarily 100% right. but they will try again and eventually, they're going to hit it. an ira terrorist once said, you guys have to be right 100% of the time, we just got to be right once. what jack said and paul said, certainly, there's moral cadization in this country, it continues, you never know what act triggers it. this is what we have in the upcoming decades, a monumental task for law enforcement, because how do you get inside the head of each individual who would do us harm, these are dangerous times we are living in. >> larry: especially the person whose willing to give up their own life. thanks. may is national depression awareness month.


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