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the leaves. it's pretty exciting. >> reporter: allen chernoff, cnn, brooklyn, new york. that's pretty cool. that does it for 360. "larry king" starts right now. i'll see you tomorrow from the gulf. did a father risk his 16-year-old daughter's life sending her out on the seas for a reality show? . we'll learn about abby and her attempt to circle the world herself on a boat. then tonya craft joins us. an unlikely suspect falsely accused of heinous crimes. her own daughter testified against her. all next on "larry king live."
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good evening. lauren sundayerland joins us. abby was rescued two days after issuing the rescue beacon on her boat. it was all done for a reality show, a stunt on which the sunderlands can cash in. how is abby? >> she's doing well. she's aboard a french fishing vessel at this time. she's very relieved to be rescued, and the delayed shock has set in a little bit of losing the vessel. >> where is she specifically? >> she's right in the middle of the indian ocean, heading to a little island with this sailing fishing vessel about 46 degrees south. >> when do you expect to see her
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again? >> we won't see her for another 10 to 14 days. she'll be transported to a french research vessel. and then she'll be steaming toward a little eye lond called la reunion off madagascar. that will be the first time we will have contact with her. >> do you live here? >> i live in thousand oaks, california. >> where are you from originally? >> england. >> how was abby rescued? >> it was a very interesting rescue. it was coordinated by the french originally, and then it switched over to the australians out of perth that had an incredible, just a -- they did an incredible job. abigail couldn't have been in a more obscure place in the world. she was 2,000 miles away from perth, 2,000 miles away from south africa, and there was
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nothing around her but this little island that was 600 miles south of her. >> have you spoken to her? >> absolutely, yes. >> larry: and the obvious, why would you let a 16-year-old sail alone? >> well, that's a question that's been raised by many people, of course. and rightly so. you know, people that don't know the ocean, if they didn't ask me that question, there would be something wrong. abigail and zach's upbringings have been very unique? >> who's zach? >> my oldest son. he successfully circumnavigated the world a year before, being the first man under 18 to circumnavigate the world. my whole life is in the yachting arena. i was raised with it, i did an apprenticeship as a young man. i work as a yacht manager in marina del ray. it's been my whole life. i have a great passion for the ocean, and it's carried through to my children. i love to be able to encourage
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them in this endeavor. however, they were raised with this. they cruised for three years. >> who's idea was it? >> it was their idea. >> larry: how is your son involved? any help to prepare? >> zach helped abigail prepare, he advised her on a few issues. he was great. and when she pulled into south africa, she said, is zach coming? it's brought them very much closer together. >> larry: did she say to you one day, dad, i want to do what zach did? i want to sail around the world alone? >> it was always abigail's idea, she's wanted to do this from the age of 13 years old. at 13, i evaluated the situation. it took about 1 second and i said, you're too young at this age, and let's see where it leads. she started soloing in 30 foot crafts at a young age. and over the years, i took her through some rougher and rougher
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circumstances and my goal was to dissuade her that the ocean is not really a friendly place. it doesn't care who you are, what you are, how old you are? when i took her through these trials, she just came through with flying colors. and when she was on a yacht for over 24 hours with no sleep and little food, i'd say -- are you ready to sail around the world now? to which she replied at 14 years old. >> yes. >> she's a minor, you could have prevented it? >> i could have. >> larry: you tried to dissuade her. you had total confidence she would do this. >> absolutely. >> larry: did you have total confidence in the boat? >> yes. >> larry: what went wrong. >> abigail got caught by a rogue wave. isabel was in her 30s, abigail
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is 16. abigail handled everything perfectly. executed everything in a perfect way. it was an unfortunate circumstance that happened. >> larry: some people say this was done as a stunt. was this done to get a reality show? >> that's ridiculous. my focus is first and foremost for my children and their endeavors. it's totally ridiculous and unfounded. >> larry: earlier this evening, a man who claims to have knowledge of a reality deal spoke to headline news. >> laurie didn't figure out a lot of things, he pushed her out, he -- for a sponsorship deadline, she immediately had to stop in cabo, which team abby already knew she was going to have to stop. and he basically put batteries and fuel and all these things to the boat, her auto pilots didn't
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work correctly throughout her voyage, even when she got down near cape horn. basically, from what i saw in cabo, we had a deal with a company called revilree. i was shooting this for a potential reality show. after what i saw wiin cabo, we pulled the plug on it. >> larry: is he lying? >> ted, first of all, has a personal vendetta against me. it's plausible he got up at nate & al's and told everyone how proud he was to be a part of it. >> larry: did you have a deal with him? >> we had an agreement with him -- >> larry: to where you -- >> shop a reality tv show. it was supposed to be an inspirational reality tv show based on zach and abigail being an inspiration to the youth of
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today. which i'm all for, by the way. i think if there's something that's great and inspirational, they could pluck these kids away from computers. >> you said it wasn't a reality? >> no, there's not a reality show now. there was a reality show shopping agreement that we had. >> larry: you had a deal if a network took it? >> magnetic had a shopping agreement before abigail left to shop a reality tv show based on inspiration of zach and abigail, absolutely. and that was null and void when they realized they couldn't get a deal. and ted's partnership split up. because ted wanted to take this in an unethical direction which we would not be a part of. >> larry: unethical how? >> he was going to try to exploit me and throw me under the bus as an irresponsible parent who knew nothing about yachting and boating.
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abby is one of seven children, there's an eighth on the way. and her older brother had had done this voyage. we asked the production company that had a deal with the sunderlands for a statement tonight and we have yet to receive one. in all fairness, we report that -- why wasn't she in school? >> she's home schooled. in fact, all our children are home schooled. >> larry: why? >> because it allows us to take their strengths and develop them at a young age. and we sail rather a lot and travel rather a lot. >> larry: are you annoyed being compared to the father of the balloon boy, who pulled a hoax to get a reality show? >> i think it's ridiculous. if there was any merit in that, i would be able to get annoyed,
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but it's absolutely farcical. this is about two young people, zach who completed his journey and was a hero. and abigail who was caught by a rogue wave, and she followed the safety procedures to the letter, to the t and was rescued. >> larry: did you talk to her every time? what kind of phone does she have? >> a satellite telephone, we speak to her twice a day, giving her updates on weather. she speaks to one of the tech guys every day as well. and she sends over all the pertinent information, mechanical information. >> larry: were any companies involved in sponsoring this? >> yeah, they were. shue city was early to jump on, and we're thankful. and lucky cat tv is part of another part of the sponsorship. >> larry: is it ever going to be a television thing?
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>> you know, is it ever going to be a television thing? them awa computer games, to get out there and do something, why not? i'm all for inspiring as i have been an inspiration to zach and abigail. >> larry: why didn't you do a tv deal with zach? >> you
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tonya craft is mere, she's next. she lived a nightmare, could this happen to you? don't go away.
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>> larry: you were his friend? >> beg your pardon?
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the small community in georgia. one of the three children who testified against her was her own daughter. she lost custody of her two children and is now still fighting to get them back. tonya craft is here with us tonight in our studios. so is a doctor, tonya craft's attorney as well as david craft, tonya's husband. take us back now, this started innocently enough when children slept over the house. what was the situation that occurred that night? awe actually i'm not completely sure. even when the prosecution presented their case they never
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gave a clear-cut definitive time. >> larry: basically the story was what? >> basically the story was that there were children at my home and when they were at my home they were given baths and inappropriate touching happened during bath time. >> larry: were they your students? >> one was my student. they both were friend of my daughter. >> larry: how old were the girls? >> at the time they were -- well, the actual allegations were several years. so like as far as the span went. they were anywhere from 4 to 6 years old. >> larry: this was taking place over a number of months and years? >> number of years, yes, sir. >> larry: how did they come about to charge you? who came forward to say, mrs. craft is bothering us? >> that actually is another situation that's not definitive. there were multiple stories that the prosecution's witnesses told. there were multiple adults that said that they were told first by one of the children.
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and then the children told different stories. and actually the interviewers told different stories as well. >> larry: how did they come to arrest you? >> apparently one of the mothers of one of the children went to the authorities made phone calls talked to other parents actually made some threats with some other parents in order to -- >> larry: to file charges against you. >> yes. >> larry: what grade do you teach? >> i taught kindergarten. >> larry: did you know the girls from school? >> yes, i knew the girls from school. i knew their parents. like i said they befriended, had become friends with my daughter and my children. >> larry: you have two children, three children of your own? >> i have two. >> larry: a daughter and a -- >> son, yes. >> larry: they're not with you now, right? >> currently know. >> larry: how old is the daughter? >> 8. >> larry: the son? >> 11. >> larry: the 8-year-old testified against you. >> yes, sir.
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>> larry: larry, call me larry. >> okay. >> larry: what did your 8-year-old say you did? >> i put medicine on my child. >> larry: what? >> medicine on my child for a diaper rash type of scenario. and to be quite honest, i'm not, i would have to go back and look at the transcripts because i was, that -- it had been close to 700 days since i had seen my daughter. and it was very, very emotional while she was on the stand. >> larry: they took the daughter and son away from you when the charges were filed. >> yes, sir. >> larry: where are they? >> with their daughter. >> larry: you are separated or divorced? >> divorced yes. >> larry: your 8-year-old testified that she sexually did things to her or attempted her, what, i know it is cloudy, what do you remember she said? >> i remember that we, we actually played the interview of
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the first interview and -- and the gist of it was that she had some stomach problems. i put medication on my child to take care of my child. >> larry: what did you do to the other child, supposedly. >> i was going to say nothing. >> larry: what did they say? >> they said there was touching and there was penetration. >> larry: penetration, snow. >> vaginally. and i had them touch my breast is what the allegations. there were 22 counts. >> larry: was awful this a total ock to you? >> absolutely, yes. >> larry: david, are you her second husband? >> i am her third husband, larry. >> larry: these are not your children? >> no. >> larry: you were married at the time the charges were filed? >> yes, we were. >> larry: what did you make of this? >> it's been a very difficult time for the last two years. >> larry: no kidding. were you shocked? >> yes. we were, we were actually
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separated at the time. and we reconciled after that. >> larry: back together now? >> yes. >> larry: were you in court when the verdict came down? >> yes, i was. >> larry: we'll take a break. and bring in dr. larondose, to explain, through how with all the testimony she was not guilty. she wants her two children back. there were developments in court today. we'll be right back. just, out of the blue at 43. now i'm on an aspirin regimen because it helps me live the life i want to live. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. it's not a big deal to go to your doctor. it is a big deal to have a heart attack. it's not a big deal to go to your doctor. ever seen anything likeme neither. it's new beneful incredibites. uh-huh! it's just the way you like it-- made with wholesome grains, real beef, even carrots and peas. you love the smaller-size, easy-to-chew kibbles, and i love the carbohydrates for energy and protein for muscles. whoa! wait for me!
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together and insisted on experts to be able to tell the jury how these things happened. we had carrie king and scott king from atlanta, we had clancy covert from tennessee. >> larry: these are who? >> lawyers, very good lawyers. tonya showed up on my doorstep and insisted that i come down and run the team. >> larry: how did you know about dr. lorandos, tonya. >> i had throughout -- with the allegations i was proactive. i researched. i had come to california at one time and met with john van de campe, he handled the bakersfield case. in my research i had found where he had testified as an expert where dr. lorandos testified as an expert. i was impressed. with no return phone calls or e mails. i decided to get in the car and show up. >> larry: heck of a client here. all right. what did it?
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>> i never take these cases unless the clients polygraphs, good polygraphs, unless i believe in them. i've don't need to. i have a very small litigation team. we are very aggressive litigators, we are very busy. but tonya showed up and told me the story of what happened. and told me what she had done in terms of meeting the people that had been through this before. she actually went and talked to the people that, sean penn did a documentary about. >> larry: people falsely charged? >> yes, she talked to the victims, the children now adults that had been manipulated into this talked to many of the nationally renowned experts. >> larry: the mcmartin case. those children were manipulated. i interviewed the children. i remember they were manipulated. >> i remember that you did. i was teaching psychology at the time. i remember that you did that. you were as shocked as all of us. >> larry: halfway through the show, i knew that the kids were not lying. they were being coached. >> it was pretty clear that you picked that up immediately. unfortunately, larry, the kinds
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of interviews that were done in tonya's case and done repeatedly throughout the country put ideas into kids' heads so that the kids are victims of false memory. >> larry: who was after her? >> well -- >> larry: the child had to come home and say something the parent wouldn't just say, well. >> actually, i got to cross-examine the children. and the story. >> larry: how old when you cross-examined? >> 8 and 10 when i cross-examined them. and the -- the stories that came out were that the children said innocent things and that the parents questioning them repeatedly, over and over and over again and suggesting that ms. tonya had done something to them caused the children to eventually conform their stories to the parents' questions. >> larry: who was suggesting it to her daughter? >> her ex-husband, repeatedly, over and over. her daughter never said her mommy did terrible things or bad things to her when originally questioned.
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the idea of bad and medicine were paired by the interviewer and were paired by the ex-husband. mommy and bad, bad and mommy, medicine is bad. >> larry: medicine applied to the parts of body? >> of course. of course. and so, at, this was done by the interviewers, this was done by the father, this was done repeatedly and so the child testified that mommy put medicine on me and it was bad. mommy did this. mommy did that. but she never testified that mommy had penetrated her or had any sexual motive. just testified about the paring. >> larry: how were you reacting during all of this, david, in court? >> i was actually outside the courtroom. i was a witness in the trial. >> larry: why were you a witness? >> because i was around, married to tonya, around the children. >> larry: he testified for the defense that he never saw anything. >> david was an excellent witness. a truer guy you couldn't find. he sat there and endured -- tremendously vicious cross-examination. she didn't do it.
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she would never do it. this would never happen. i was there. the kids weren't there. unfortunately the two little girls convinced this happened to them and now they're really vick ties of this process, testified, about things that happened when david and other people were there. they weren't w. >> larry: did the parents testify? >> yes, they did. >> larry: they weren't there. what did they have to say? >> they -- well, tonya has filed a federal lawsuit in which she says, quite clearly, that they perjured themselves. lied about what had occurred. >> larry: parents other than the ones manipulated? you say parents, she is one of the parents. >> that is correct. the parents of the two little -- the two main accusing parents. >> larry: the father? >> yes. the people that were involved in repeatedly questioning and manipulating the children are all the subject of the lawsuit that tonya filed to try to put a stop to this business. >> larry: did, in your opinion,
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the prosecution jump the gun? in other words should they have prosecuted this case? would you? that is hard to be objective? >> i testified as an expert for the prosecution for a decade. i quit being a psychologist and went to law school to try to put a stop to this business. not only did they jump the gun, it is our sense that they fraudulently created evidence that they did terrible things to the families and children and according to the community been duke it for years. >> larry: why don't you have your children back? >> unfortunately in these situations, that's what happens i want america to know. when these allegations come out your children are taken from you in a matter of one second. >> larry: guilty before innocent? >> guilty until proven innocent. i honestly feel like i am having to prove my innocence over and
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over. >> larry: do you get to see your kids? >> on occasions. >> larry: what does your son think of all this? >> i don't talk about it. >> larry: he doesn't? >> it's just a normal, just, having fun, relaxed, normal, normal parent natural fun time. >> larry: what do the other lawyers do in this case. you mention others that assisted? >> these are very competent criminal defense lawyers. you can imagine the egos in the room. trying to pull the team together. these guys were tremendous. terrific lawyers. they pitched in on cross-examinations. helped write all of the legal preference material. they constantly, insisted that the i go back and -- redo the stuff that i had written. it was a very, well function team. >> david seems look a reserved quiet guy. you are saying he was a terrific witness? >> he was a heck of a witness. >> larry: they never broke him down?
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>> david is an honest guy who started in his company pushing the broom and 28 years later is the executive vice president. david is as honest as the day is long the he was there. he saw it. he loves his wife. he admitted on the stand that, that he was at fault and she never quit on him, he quit on her, and beg ford a reconciliation. they reconciled and the best thing for both of them. >> larry: we'll be back with more of this extraordinary story after these words.
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>> larry: are you saying, doctor, there are a lot of cases like this. people falsely accused of touching children, teachers and others? >> if they would just listen to the interview that you did back in the mcmartin era, watch that again all those many years ago and realize that the 9th circuit left the families hanging out to dry. then the 9th circuit didn't do
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anything about the kearn county case. there are many true stories about parents trying to change the system and getting nowhere because activist judges simply won't follow the law the legislature wrote. >> larry: tonya, you are a teacher, you are bright, what does a parent do if her 7-year-old daughter comes home and says, mommy, my -- my teacher touched me in my private tuesday? what does she do? >> absolutely. you look into it. >> larry: by doing what? >> one you, do not question the child. you take them to a qualified interviewer, forensic interviewer. by qualified i don't mean two day's training. i mean look into the resume. figure out who is qualified. take them. and get to the bottom of the truth. figure out what the truth is
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with, with you being unbiased and going to an interviewer that is unbiased that wants to find the truth. >> larry: and in some case that does happen, right? >> absolutely. and if it does happen then it needs to be addressed completely. >> larry: how did you emotionally handle this? your own daughter? >> well the emotions have been up and down. there have been thousand of tears. there have been research as i discussed earlier that helped me emotionally, as far as research and learning what to do. and i intend to go back to law school. >> larry: tonya testified in her own defense. let's hear a little of that. watch. >> do you think it is a conspiracy? >> actually i think it is kind of offensive to use that word. i think what has happened is more than a travesty. i think that the experts have explained how something this horrible can happen.
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but i think there is a lot of thing that have been done wrong. but i did not do anything to these children. >> you molest a child if you touch a child's genitalia, inappropriately you are a child molester. >> if you do that, if you do that, yes. >> larry: was the prosecution rough on you, tonya? >> the prosecution was not just rough on me. they attacked my friend. they attacked my family. >> larry: other people testified for you? >> absolutely. i had more people, we had more people that would testify for me. they attacked my character. completely. they made things up. there were complete lies by prosecution's witnesses along. >> they had a -- against you. >> they made things up and attacked my character to the point that it was not even seemingly about the children anymore. >> larry: you weren't allowed to teach once the charges were filed? >> no, i was not. >> larry: can you teach now?
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>> at this point i am fighting to get my certificate back. because i will fight that fight. >> larry: why was your certificate not given back the day you were found not guilty. >> a very good question. and not guilty is the beginning of the fight not the end. >> larry: why not, doctor, i don't understand that. isn't not guilty the end? >> no. in these cases once you have been accused, you are forever tarnished. and that's why we are trying to get, trying to cause changes in the way children are interviewed. because these kids that have been put through this process, not just tonya's daughter but the two other little girls have been badly damaged by this process. >> larry: two other girls and tonya's daughter. three altogether. >> yes. the jurors who have come forward and talked to us since this were outraged at the kind of things the prosecution did in this case. and have asked to help with the process of reconciliation and seeing that this never happens again. >> larry: let's hear the dramatic moment when you were found not guilty.
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watch. >> we, the jury, find the defendant, count number one, not guilty. count number two, not guilty. count number three, not guilty. count number four, not guilty. count number 21, not guilty. count number 22, not guilty. this 11th day of may, 2010, signed -- >> larry: frankly, were you a little shocked? >> no. i trusted the jury. i am a litigator. this is what i do. >> larry: were you shocked? you knew you were innocent to yourself. still your daughter testified. >> i knew i was innocent. i researched. these cases are prosecuted.
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and i was scared but i had gotten to the point that i had accepted. i would fight whether there was a guilty or not guilty. i would fight until my last breast to prove my innocent. >> larry: what was it punishable by? >> she was looking at hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years of imprisonment. and that's why we are trying how to get the federal courts to step in -- >> larry: and do what? >> well, and follow the law the way congress wrote it. the people that -- that have done this to tonya, tonya filed a lawsuit against them to try to put a stop to this. the people that have done this to tonya. as we speak are racing to the courthouse to make certain that i don't talk to another jury, to make certain that tonya's claims never see a jury. and if they get -- an activist judge that won't follow the law that was laid down. >> larry: what are you -- suing? >> we are suing to get the federal courts to step in and
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stop this. suing to get the people that did this to tonya to pay her back for what they did. >> larry: suing for money? >> to endow a foundation to see to it that these people get properly educated and does in happen to another set of children. >> larry: david, were you shocked at the verdict? >> i won't say i was shocked. i refused to prepare for anything else. i honestly wasn't prepared if the outcome had been different. i know it was very much a possibility fee. but i just refused to consider it. >> larry: your phone calls for tonya are next. i've got it. ♪ [ female announcer ] introducing crest 3d white toothpaste. the remarkable new toothpaste that removes up to 80% of surface stains in just two weeks. good advice. what did i tell ya. [ female announcer ] for a noticeably whiter smile in just two weeks. new crest 3d white toothpaste. and try crest 3d white rinse.
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>> larry: we're back with our guests, first let's check in with anderson cooper down in the gulf. what's the lead? >> the lead, of course, oil gushing into the gulf on day 56 of this catastrophe. more damning details of the hours and days ahead of the rig explosion released by congress. details we learned today, the bp ceo was warned he will have to answer for when he heads to the hill on thursday. details that show bp put profits before safety, and that fateful decision eventually led to the mess that bp has no plan for dealing with. we'll have a lot more at the top of the hour, larry. >> that's ac 36010:00 eastern, 7:00 p.m. the president will address the nation tomorrow.
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we have some phone calls, the first is lake mary, california. >> caller: i have a question for tonya. >> larry: go ahead. >> caller: were you harassed by the community based on character assassination or gang stalking? >> actually, to my surprise, the support has been phenomenal, i've had support from all over the world, all over the united states, i've had thousands of e-mails. >> how would they know to support you based on these terrible allegations. >> i have a friend who created a website called truth for tonya, people had gotten to know about the website. i get calls today, we can't go anywhere without people saying their entire household was crying when they heard the verdict. and i didn't know the individuals. it's been humbling, the support.
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it's been amazingly surprising. >> larry: isn't it in most cases like this, the support is the other way? >> yes. >> larry: the little children that were harmed? >> we're supported the children that were harmed. we're trying to put a stop to this to see that little children aren't harmed like this again. we're the first ones who actually harm the children to be nailed down on the 405 and driven over. >> larry: who harmed the children? >> we had nancy aldridge there, bill burnett there, some of the best experts in the country. their idea was that the overzealous questioning, the questioning trying to involve tonya in this somehow was picked up by the interviewers and repeated where tonya was vilified and the children were manipulated, that's what harmed the children, and going over and over again. they actually gave the children a therapist that was mentally
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>> larry: we have more on the breaking news from mcgill air force base where two were arrested tonight. bowe, what's the latest on this? i'm sorry, we lost beau. i hope we can get him back, if not, we will be following it throughout the night. two men arrested in a car at macdill air force base in tampa. you're going to see sonya tomorrow? do you think this will be a made for tv movie? >> yes. the more people that know about it the more kids we can protect.
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somebody's got to put a stop to this. >> you expect to get your kids back? >> i'm going to fight until i do, yes? >> why do you have to fight? >> once again, that's a good question. >> you're an innocent person? >> absolutely. >> larry: you're a licensed schoolteacher? >> she has to fight because tennessee has a law about what's best for her children. tennessee has a good law, good jurisdiction, that's why she's fighting. >> larry: why does she have to fight? >> in crazy family circumstances, the judge is in a terrible position, has to take in all the evidence, has to get good evidence and make the best decision for the kids. that's why she wants to fight. >> larry: we have beau zimmer back on the phone in tampa. what's the latest on this incident? >> they have the entire south end of macdill air force base shut down right now.
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this is the bayshore gate, they had a light colored suv that pulled into the gate and stopped by security officers 37 at that point we don't know what happened, but they started unloading everything out that suv, including a number of -- what should be sniper rifles, large ammunition, military paraphernalia, and we're waiting right now for more work from macdill air force base as to what all this means? and why the vehicle was stopped. >> larry: did it try to get through the gate? >> it does not appear that it tried to ram the gate or anything like that. but we don't know exactly what happened when it approached the gate, why it was stopped. why it wasn't allowed to continue on in. all we can say is, for some reason, they did stop this vehicle and found something suspicious, they actually had a robot and some bomb squad type technicians approach the vehicle a couple hours ago, they circled
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the vehicle and they've been looking at it ever since. >> were there two men in it? >> i don't have official word on that? i heard reports of that, but don't have that confirmed yet. >> you don't know if they've taken any people out of the car or held them for questioning or anything? >> yeah, we talked to one of the military police, detectives on scene, he could provide us no information, said just wait, we have a military spokesperson on the way out to us, and we're waiting official word on all that. >> larry: is macdill right in tampa? >> it's on the very southern tip of tampa, it borders up against the city's limits of tampa, and tampa police were actually looking, diverting traffic away from this particular entrance gate. it is the very southern tip of tampa, and also we can tell you that there are -- apparently this is a special week at macdill air force base, military personnel tell us there are some high ranging officials on base this week, they had a big golf tournament earlier today, that


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