tv Larry King Live CNN June 25, 2010 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT
because i won't. ♪ never can say good-bye, no, no, no, no, no. snefr c never can say good-bye ♪ -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight on the first anniversary of michael jackson's death, jermaine jackson returns to his tomb for the first time since he was laid to rest. >> michael, i miss you. >> larry: revealing the anguish. >> he got a bum wrap, because he was so misunderstood. >> larry: torment and sorrow has pained the entire jackson family. >> we felt he was threatened and
someone was trying to kill him. >> larry: jermaine jackson's emotional interview, next, on a very special edition of "larry king live." good evening. it was a year ago today that news out of los angeles shocked the world. michael jackson had died. people all over the planet poured into the streets, mourning the loss of a singer that moved generations. he was buried at forest lawn cemetery. jermaine jackson returns to his final resting place the first time since then and sat down with me for an eye-opening interview. this is where michael jackson is interred. one year ago today, the nation stunned by the death of this incredible superstar at age 50. by the way, other people buried
or interred here include you will salucille ball, spencer tracy. our special guest is jermaine jackson. what can we say? what's this year been like? >> it's been tough, larry. it went so fast. we've been just putting the pieces together and the family's having a will the of meetings, and just trying to hold on. >> larry: have you come to terms with it? you ever really accept it? because he was so young? >> it's hard. no, we haven't come to terms. it's something we're learning to live with. but we will never accept it. it's just -- it's tough. very tough. >> larry: we all remember watching that funeral. who didn't watch it? now we're here in front of the
mausoleum where your brother was interred. where was the funeral? was it right here? >> i think it was around the corner someplace. >> larry: they laid a carpet, right? >> yes. they laid a carpet. that was the private funeral that the immediate family and special friends and guests had. yeah. >> larry: that was some night. >> it's tough. i'm very emotional when i drove up. >> larry: was it emotional today? >> yes, larry. very, very much. because i just can't believe a year has gone by. but to just -- when it happened, so many things came back to my mind. just the childhood and things that we used to do as a family and a group as the jackson five. it was very tough. >> you kn >> larry: you know, when that film came out, we got to realize
what a really great performer and sensational person he was. >> but why they didn't know that when he was alive? if you listen to the content of his lyric in his music, that's what he is. he wrote from his heart and his soul. it's sad, because now people realize what kind of person he was all along, but he's not here to see that. >> larry: you think he got a bum wrap in life? >> he got a bum wrap, because it's just -- he was so misunderstood. and he was trying to take the world on his shoulders and to bring an awareness to the world and what we need to do as people. yeah, he got a bum wrap, yes. >> larry: does the family visit here often? >> we come, and friends come and bring flowers. because i have been here and see a lot of different seating arrangements around his -- his burial site, and it's very cold
in there. it's a dark corridor. >> we're not allowed in. but it is dark and cold? >> it's cold, larry. it's -- it's -- to walk this corridor and all hear is your footsteps and it's -- michael shouldn't be here. i always felt that. >> larry: you wanted him where? >> at neverland. >> larry: we were there together. >> right. i said it then. >> larry: we taped this earlier in the week. how is the family going to mark the anniversary? are they going to do anything special on the friday, this friday, when we're broadcasting? >> we -- we're getting together. and probably going to have songs and sing and things like that to remember all of the good that he's done. >> larry: and try to make it joyous. >> try to make it joyous, but it hurts at the same time. but he would want us to be
happy. michael was very special in the sense that he -- i kind of felt that he -- he felt something about his life, and he did say on numerous occasions at times to my mother that he felt that he was being threatened and someone was trying to kill him. >> larry: really? >> yes, yes. >> larry: he had a premonition of early death by violence, or some method? >> yeah. someone. >> larry: how is randy? we heard he had a scared. >> randy is fine. he scared me too. randy had some chest pains, and he's been working very, very hard keeping things together with the family and everything. and we got a call right during the -- the lakers playoff he was rushed to the hospital. he is doing fine now. i saw him the past weekend, and
he said he's -- he's doing much, much better. he's taking it easy. thank you, though. >> larry: michael's children impressed the millions who saw that memorial service. how are blanket, prince and paris? jermaine is going to fill us in. and we'll get into dr. can rad measu murray and the darkside of michael's death, next. create a plan to pay off large purchases... and save money on interest. does your credit card have blueprint? side of michael's death, next. at 866 blueprint. an
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and i just wanted to say i love him. >> larry: jermaine jackson. we're at forest lawn cemetery. how are michael's kids. >> michael's kids. >> larry: you all live together? >> they live with my two, and they are having a good time. they are being kids. and they're playing with skateboards and the dogs running around the house and the parrot and the iguanas and things like that. >> larry: are they into music? >> very, very much so. but they more like -- they are into film and they love behind the scenes, directors and producers, they can tell you just about anything about a film and who produced it. >> larry: really? >> yes. they love that. >> larry: how are they doing in school? >> they are doing very, very
well. there have been some announcements i think that they are going to take a private school next year. but they are doing very, very well. they are all ahead and so are my two. so we're very happy about that. >> larry: are you -- is everybody fathering everybody? is it like it takes a village? >> yes, well, we have to. we're the adults, and they are children, so if we see them doing something wrong, we're going to say something. not -- it's not up to the nanny or the housekeepers or whoever to reprimand them. it's up to us as adults. >> larry: kids come here often? >> no, no. >> larry: do they get along well? the kids? >> oh, yeah. >> larry: because kids always fight. >> they get along very, very well, they -- it's the video games and all that stuff, and having the little fights and just -- and then they get bored and want to go out to the movie theater and catch the latest animation film, but they are
getting along. >> larry: did they see their father's film? >> i don't know yet. i think they may have a copy. because according to my two sons -- >> larry: because it's on hbo now. >> they aren't allowed to do too much on the internet and all that kind of stuff. >> larry: good idea. >> yeah. >> larry: were you surprised how well they did at the memorial service? >> very, very well. >> larry: everyone was. >> i guess right when it happened, the therapist felt it was important for them to go in and see michael right then and there, and they got it all out. but, still, it will always be there. they are learning to live with it too. they have done a tremendous job of just being strong and being so young. >> larry: now, your mom is 80 now. and how is she doing? >> she's doing very well. >> larry: how does it work? they float? >> see, what it is, my mom is there, and all kinds of help,
tutors, cooks and security and kids and they get a chance to just be children. and my mother, she runs the rules. she -- she enforces the rules. this is what's going to happen. they all have a meeting, they had a meeting last week, and -- about them just getting together on vacation trips and things like that, so it looks like there will be some travels going on. >> larry: everyone took it hard, but catherine took it especially hard, didn't she? well, you lose a child. >> it's hard to imagine how that feels, but she -- she gets numb and quiet sometimes, and i think she sort of relives the childhood of his and just hearing his laugh and what he used to do when he was young. >> larry: your father recently said i don't know how it affected the kids, but she
should have been a more attentive mother. >> you know, larry, everybody has taken that out of context. i think my father -- my father said that because my mother -- michael -- my mother was very, very close to him. and she could get him to say and do things before my father and before any of us, so the fact that he said my mother should have -- a mother should have done that. but the bottom line is we were all very busy in trying to tear down this wall that was surrounded -- that michael surrounded himself with. these were the outside people who didn't want us in. and that's what he meant by breaking that barrier or trying to. she should have been more attentive to trying to get through. she knew he had a -- and just a
pass all the time. not a pass, but just an okay, just to get through it. it was tough. very tough. >> larry: also still a will the of pain in him. >> yeah, still grieving, yeah. >> larry: i want to get this right. your sister january set talked abo -- janet talked about that michael had a problem, and your family tried several interventions with the problem, drugs. do you think you could have done more? >> we all say that after the fact, but some of the attempts to intervention, i wasn't there. i was out of the country. but i had heard about them, but michael would never, ever, ever take his own life, and i -- if michael were sitting here right now, and we were to say to him, michael, you're not going to be here, and your kids are going to be left fatherless, he would say, oh, no, that would never
happen. and the fact that there have been so many ridiculous things said by dr. cline and all these idiots saying these horrible things now that he's not here, i'm very much against that. michael loved life. he was the type of person who saw a fly in the room, he wouldn't smash it against the wall, he would let it out. he would open the door and let it out. he would love to preserve life and life for others. >> larry: professor cline has a great love for him. >> no. how can he love him and not like me or the rest of the family? it's all bs. >> larry: dr. conrad murray, charged with involuntary manslaughter. his trial starts in august. will you attend that trial? >> yes. i'm there for support. there to keep my mother strong and my father and the family. >> larry: how do you feel about the doctor? a judge has allowed him to keep his medical license?
>> larry, it's not important whether he keeps his license or they take his license away. the bottomline, michael is not here, what he administered to michael should have been in a hospital setting, and he did not act alone. i all feel, myself, randy, la toya, all of us feel he's the fall guy. and knowing how this whole thing works, it's higher up than just the doctor, and he's there. and if you squeeze him hard enough, he will talk. >> larry: in the year since michael died there, have been rumors of all kinds about what really happened. from day one, the jackson family has made surprising allegations. when we come back, jermaine will address the truth and the lies surrounding michael's death. hello, i'm randi kaye. dick cheney in a washington
hospital. he wasn't feeling well this afternoon when he was admitted for testing. he's expected to remain hospitalized over the weekend. the latest on his condition on "360" at the top of the hour. a tropical depression could spell trouble for the cleanup efforts in the gulf of mexico. in the storm moves into the area, admiral thad allen says all cleanup vessels will be moved out before gale force winds arrive. that means oil could be flugush into the gulf for several days. michael jackson's father files suit against dr. can ronr murray one year since the singer's death. dr. murray has pleaded not guilty in the criminal case. those are the headlines. back to "larry king" after this.
we're following the breaking news out of los angeles. michael jackson has been taken to a hospital. >> paramedics tried to perform cpr and get him breathing again. >> cnn is confirming from the l.a. coroner that michael jackson is dead. >> he attempted to resuscitate him. they were unsuccessful. >> larry: the pain of michael's passing is with his brother every day. it was not easy for him to return to forest lawn for our interview, and it's not easy for him to talk about the circumstances surrounding his death. but he does. do you think your brother was killed? >> yes, of course. of course. >> larry: no doubt in your mind.
>> no doubt in my mind. >> larry: have the authorities done enough? they have stopped at murray, haven't they? >> it's the d.a.'s office, and i just don't trust anybody. i really don't. we lost a brother. what really has really -- one of the hearings we went to, they were sitting there laughing. i felt like getting up and walking out. >> larry: who? >> i think first of all tmz was filming this, and they are all showboating for the camera, and they were talking about whether the license should be taken or not and there was chuckles and laughs, and we lost our brother. how disrespectful. and i wanted to get up so bad and just walk out. this is our system, our judicial system. and they are sitting there laughing. >> larry: is the family planning civil action? >> well, we're in meetings, and
that's a good question, but right now we're just trying to make sure every rock is turned over and we can really get a thorough investigation. >> larry: do you think we'll ever find out the whole story? >> yes. yes. you know why? because this family is not going to let it not happen. we love him, we miss him. the world needs to know the truth. we need to know the truth. you need to know the truth. and absolutely. we'll do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows. >> larry: has he paid the city to cover the public memorial at staples. there were stories about that. what is it? >> larry, it's -- michael's estate is probably one of the most successful financial estates, close to $1 billion up to this date, and to have all of
these things about debt and this and that, it's like when he was alive, they beat him down with the child molestation stuff, to make it seem like he did this. you beat people down with the very thing they love. this was all planned. they tried to kill him with that. they couldn't kill him with that. and he had a dependency on sleeping pills or whatever, and they found a way to kill him with that. >> larry: but the city has been paid, all that has been cleared? >> yes. >> larry: the day michael died, how did you find out? i remember you told me. >> i found out -- >> larry: where were you? >> i was in azuza. on the other side of pasadena. and someone from you guys called my wife. and said do you know anything about michael being rushed to the hospital. and i got off the phone and called my mother right away, and my mother said, yes, i'm on my
way to the hospital right now. and once i got off the phone, 45 minutes went by, i spoke to an attorney, and i spoke to my sister janet, and janet mentioned it was pretty bad. and then i called my mother back and she was there in the hospital. i heard her say he's dead, he's dead. the tone of her voice, larry, is a tone i've never heard before. and i cried. i didn't know how to go best from azuza. we put it in the navigation. and we're crying along the way, and the phone is ringing off the hook, and people texting and calling, and as we get closer to westwood, we see all of the helicopters hovering in the sky, and westwood is people standing still and it's taped off, so i
drive up to the policeman and they let me in. i go to the emergency part, and i go straight to my mother, and she is sitting there like in a daze. she was just in a daze, numb, staring into space. and then said i -- i consoled her a bit and then i went to see him. i said, well, where is he? she says he's down the hall. and i walked in this room, and it took a lot, larry, to walk into the room and see your brother, laying there lifeless. laying on the -- this gurney thing like. and i sort of touched his face, and it was still soft. it was still soft, and i pulled his eyelid back to look at his eyes, and i just kissed his face and it's a horrible feeling to
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♪ you touched my life with your heart, smile even though it's breaking even throw there are clouds in the sky you'll get there ♪ ♪ if you smile through your fear and sorrow smile ♪ >> larry: how were you able to perform so well at that funeral service? i mean, you were incredible that day. where did you get that from? >> strength of wanting to do something for him. and i asked my mother, my other family members didn't want anybody from the family to perform, because they wanted us to sort of just sit there and support everybody. but i wanted to do this song for
him, and i love that song, and it was his favorite song. and i said can i do a song for him, i asked my mother? and she said yes, do whatever you can for your brother. and some of the music was going in and out of my ear, and i said, yuh-oh, here comes a trai wreck. there was no music, but i kept singing. it was emotional for me, because i knew it was his favorite song and we had visited the chaplain family before. we showed up in switzerland, and he didn't know i was friends with charlie chaplain's sons as well. >> larry: smile one of the great songs ever written. >> it's a great song. >> larry: great, great songs ever written. were you shocked at the coverage? surprised at how immense the story was? >> not really. you know why, larry?
because michael's success is not his talent. it was his message. people cried because they knew what his message was, the one he was trying to get through his music and we're very appreciative as a family and we will stay strong and united and stay strong as a family, but the world cried, because they knew they had lost someone who really cared about them. who cared about the planet, who cared about life. >> larry: by the end of the week, the top three albums in sales were his. nearly half a million albums were sold. 2.3 million downloads of single tracks. did that surprise you? >> no. you know what surprised me? what surprised me is the fact that i can't go anywhere without someone know iing what happened
and any corner of this globe. >> larry: you just performed in africa. >> yeah. i did a solo tribute to him. there was -- we started the show with a three-minute poem of his, larry. and the strangest thing. before we started, the moon was covered with clouds, and michael was talking about planet earth for three minutes and this voice the ringing all over the stadium, so beautiful. and all of a sudden the moon was so bright and clear, and when it finished, the cloud was closed up against it. i said did you look at the moon when your brother was talking? i felt a very magical moment during that time. >> larry: everywhere you go, almost every day, you hear the name michael? >> yes. >> larry: paparazzi still follow you around? >> yes, there is one that i wanted to knock around. he was being disrespectful.
>> larry: see video of jermaine's trip by going to cnn.com/lar cnn.com/larryking. with the jackson five, michael made music magic. but his popularity has soared in the last year, assuring that michael will remain alive forever. jermaine talks about it all, next. [ male announcer ] this is steven, a busy man.
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♪ where there is love i'll be there i'll be there i'll reach out my hand to you i'll have faith in all you do just call my name and i'll be there ♪ ♪ i'll be there i'll be there to comfort you in my world of dreams ♪ >> what was the magic of the jackson 5? >> the magic of the jackson five was having a team like motown,
shelly berger, all these people who knew how to take what we had and put it into this motown machine and just present it for the world. that was the magic. and then we were so young, singing these grownup songs and michael singing about who is loving you? and he never experienced love at that age. it was unbelievable. >> larry: and it will never go away, you know. >> but we -- my kids are playing i want you back, abc stuff. i'm hearing this all the time now. yeah. >> larry: it's safe to say you think about him every day. >> every day. every day. i just -- sometimes i just say michael, michael, michael. where are you? michael. i miss you. yes. >> larry: you believe he's somewhere? >> yes. absolutely. >> larry: because that cloud is
moving in front of the moon is a little shaky. >> no. you know why, larry? his spirit is very much alive. i went to mumbai, and i went to go on the side of town to the tailors, and i saw this outfit in the window, it was in an appliance store. i walked in and said where is the store for this outfit. they say it's three stores up. they said, oh, my god. your brother was here. and i said who? michael. i made clothes for him. they brought out the pictures for him and everything, and what are the chances, a billion people, all of the tailors in india, and how do i end up at the same place where michael was to get clothes? i feel him, just because his spirit is very much alive. he was a positive soul. >> larry: how is he going to be remembered? >> he's going to be remembered
as a great humanitarian, who cared about people, cared about life. a great artist, and a great humanitarian. >> larry: one of the greatest entertainers that ever lived. where are you going to put him? >> neverland. >> larry: you keep going back to neverland. >> it's a beautiful place. larry, you've been there. >> larry: i never expected it. >> you felt his spirit, his ideas. it's like his imagination. i want this there, that there. it's all him. >> larry: we're going back to neverland. jermaine will tell us what it meant to michael and why he won't give up on moving michael's remains. that's next. it can happen anytime.
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>> larry: welcome back to this special edition o "larry king live." we're marking the one-year anniversary of michael jackson's death. jermaine jackson returned to forest lawn with me for the first time since his brother was laid to rest there it's a beautiful place, but jermaine wants michael at neverland, as he told us during a visit there last year. hi, jermaine. needless to say, this is unbelievable. where are we? >> we are looking over neverland. this is what he considered as the ultimate joy, the ultimate happiness, the ultimate wonderment, the ultimate peace. this is neverland. >> larry: and this is one small part of this whole picture, right? >> yes. this is one small part. there is so much more. other valleys beyond these hills here that are just flat surfaces. mt. catherine around here. >> larry: named for your mother.
my sister la toya was here and paul mccartney and michael. i h and he really liked it. i had a ranch in hidden valley, and he would come over. and he loved it. i had swans and he really enjoyed it. jermaine, i'm going to buy a beautiful ranch one day because he loved the ranch life. i think that's what inspired him to do this. >> larry: did he spend a lot of time here in the hey day? >> a lot of time. >> larry: i don't think the general public would have concept of what neverland is. rides, games and toys. there was all that. this is so much more. >> with our family, larry, we travel so much. i can see bits and pieces in different parts of the world here. that's what's great about -- >> larry: you see europe here. >> oh, yeah. you see all types of things. that's what michael enjoys. he brought bits and pieces of those different places that he
enjoyed into his haven. >> larry: therefore, what is it like for you to stand here now at this place that he loved so much? and know he's gone. >> larry, it's so hard but at the same time, i feel him. >> larry: you do? >> yes. i feel his presence. because this is his creation. this is his ideas. to come here and to feel him here, i'm happy. and i really felt and still feel this is where he should be rested, because it's just him. it's so -- listen, it's serene. it's wonderful. >> larry: what do you need a state thing to change that? >> larry, anything could be done today. >> larry: the law says you have to be buried in a cemetery, right? i think that's the law. >> but people who make the laws, they can also -- >> larry: they can change them. >> yeah. >> larry: this obviously would be one of the magnificent burial places in the world. >> it's gorgeous. tell me what impression you had when you first came here. >> larry: i couldn't believe it. i don't know what i was expecting. >> that's the same impression i
had first time i came. it's the kind of place when it's time to go, you don't want to leave. you want to hide. you want to chain yourself to a tree or something. you don't want to leave. there's so much joy, so much happiness. larry, at the same time, to think about that certain people tried to turn this into a negative place for him to bring kids here and this and that, for the wrong reasons. and that disturbs us the most. >> larry: it hurt him, didn't it? >> it hurt him tremendously. not only him but our entire family. our kids come out here. there's candy, there's -- right in that space right there where you see a little kid sitting on the moon there, that's the grand station for this theme train to go from there to the theater, down that way. and he got the only steam operator in the nation to come here and work the steam train. >> larry: thank you for showing us this. >> thank you. >> larry: i have never, never expected it nor have i ever seen anything quite like it. >> thank you so much, larry.
>> larry: thanks, jermaine. >> it means a lot to all of us. >> larry: jermaine and i will show you michael's mausoleum at forest lawn next. book now at choicehotels.com to start earning your $50 restaurant gift card. hey! [ tires screech ] [ female announcer ] when business travel leaves you drained, re-charge with free high-speed internet and free hot breakfast. comfort suites. power up.
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♪ >> larry: would michael have chosen this, do you think? you want neverland. >> yeah. >> larry: you don't like him in here, right? >> no, no. he needs to be somewhere special. larry, i really feel that with what my brother has done, just for people all around the world, there should be something special. >> larry: not inside -- >> a monument in d.c. for michael jackson.
>> larry: in washington? >> absolutely. not because of the music, because of the message in the music and how it touched so many people. that's what it should be. but he should be laid to rest -- >> larry: who decided here, though? who said let's do it here? >> well, my mother and -- i think it was like because we needed to put him somewhere for the moment. but i think it's -- it's not too late. >> larry: he can move. >> to neverland, right? >> larry: do the rest of the families have plots here? >> larry, plots. >> larry: no, i mean -- >> meaning -- >> larry: do you all want to be around each other? >> i don't want to be here. >> larry: i don't want to be anywhere. >> no way. >> larry: that's what woody allen said, i just don't want to be there when it happens. >> i would love to -- oh, my god. i don't even want to talk about it. >> larry: okay. what events are planned here on the anniversary day when we are broadcasting this at night? a lot of people are expected, right? >> yeah. it's probably going to be inundated with people, fans and
things. i know the family is getting together and it's going to be great. >> larry: at night or early in the day? >> probably in the middle. >> larry: i hear there will be balloons, music. you're going to make it like a celebration, in a sense, of his life. >> it's going to be exciting, but at the same time, that's what he would want, a celebration. >> larry: his ex-wife, lisa marie presley asked everyone to bring flowers. >> that's sweet, very, very sweet. do you know when she was married to him, i really loved the idea of them being together. >> larry: two legends. >> yeah, yeah. and she was always nice to me in the times that i spoke to her. yeah. no, but this corner here, larry, when you walk down this corridor, you hear this -- >> larry: i don't want to go in. they won't let me in. you can get in. >> yeah.
and it's -- wow, you see, larry? look. just look down. you see? right at the end, that's where he is, right there. >> larry: at the end? >> right, right there. >> larry: it looks like a little glassware. >> right. >> larry: can the camera see in there? >> it's very cold in there, larry. it's like marble. and you hear an echo when you walk. >> larry: what are they, like slabs? >> there are people all up here. >> larry: names next to them? >> yeah. and see if anyone wants to see their loved one, they can stand in front of michael's site. >> clark gable is here. >> take a picture. yeah. here are some flowers. >> larry: some flowers already. >> yeah. but that's where he is, larry. >> larry: look at that setting. >> it's so beautiful and peaceful. but neverland is more peaceful than this. >> larry: stay well, jermaine. >> thank you, larry. >> larry: can you find a