tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN December 13, 2011 12:00am-1:00am EST
jon huntsman, as we said, put all of his eggs in one basket, that basket being new hampshire. tomorrow our discussion with jon huntsman. his strategy and a whole lot more. that's coming up tomorrow, our discussion with jon huntsman. in the meantime, thanks for watching. here's "piers morgan tonight." tonight, the gingrich game plan. newt takes aim at mitt. >> if governor romney would like to give back all the money he's earned from bankrupting companies and laying off employees, then i'd be glad to then listen to him. and i'll bet you $10, not $10,000, that he won't take the offer. >> mitt fires back. >> speaker gingrich spent the last 30 years in washington. being a leader is easy to talk about, but then you have to look at what they actually did. >> would gingrich's surge carry him on to the nomination and is that what the gop really wants? i'll ask campaign insiders and the party chief. also, a man who knows all about the rise and fall of a front-runner, rudy giuliani. his advice to romney and gingrich. and one of president obama's staunchest supporters, movie
mogul harvey weinstein, on why he thinks it's plain sailing for the democrats. >> i think the republicans every time they talk, it just doesn't seem to go too well for them. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. just three weeks to go until the iowa caucuses, the nation's first contest of the 2012 presidential campaign. and two new surveys put newt gingrich firmly in the lead in that state. american research group gives him 22%. while the university of iowa hawkeye poll gives him 30%. so is the gingrich surge for real? joining me now is gingrich senior adviser kellyanne conway and gingrich senior adviser jim talent. let's start with you, kelly, you're new to the gingrich machine. in fact, he didn't have a machine until recently. so can we take the mere fact that you are on board as a sign that he's getting serious? >> well, this campaign is much more consequential than any couple of hires. but the reason he's risen in the polls is very simple.
what ended up exciting primary caucus voters across the country, piers, are ideas. and he's been very solutions focused, very specific, very positive and cheerful even given the newly minted onslaught of very vicious personal attacks that are happening including, unfortunately, from some of the romney surrogates. but it turns out that people are very engaged in what he has to say on the debate stage. so for months, piers, people were saying, oh, newt was the smartest guy in the room but, he's the best performer in the debates but. and the buts have melted away when people realize that he makes sense and that he reflects a lot of what's happening around our kitchen tables all across this country. >> well, jim talent, she has a point, hasn't she? your man was the runaway front-runner for a long time now he's getting skewed all over the place. >> well, piers, we like the contrast between governor romney and indeed all the other candidates including speaker gingrich.
in governor romney we have a person that we can have confidence can beat barack obama by the biggest possible margin, bring in as many conservative votes as possible and will actually and reliably as a proven leader accomplish the conservative agenda. and then the contrast with speaker gingrich. and look, this is not something i like doing. i served with speaker gingrich. but the fact of the matter is he's not a reliable conservative leader. and all you've got to do is look, example number one, what he said about the ryan budget, the ryan medicare plan, which was the heart of the ryan budget, which is the heart of what conservatives want to do to turn the budget situation around. and speaker gingrich just attacked it. it was outrageous. he said it was radical right-wing social engineering, exactly the kind of thing barack obama would have said about it and will say about it if speaker gingrich is the nominee. every republican candidate who voted for that is going to hear about speaker gingrich's comments if he's the nominee. it's the kind of thing he's done through his career. it's the reason that in the '90s -- and i was there -- we
had to remove him as speaker. >> are we really going to have the debate about who's the more reliable conservative if you're representing governor romney, senator talent? this is a machine who's changed his position on core issues time and again. it's why for governor romney, who has effectively been running for president for five years, you can put a piece of tissue paper between the floor and the ceiling in his polls. they've hardly budged. and the reason is people want consistency. they want to know they can trust you to be who they are. not only has your campaign now violated and decimated reagan's 11th commandment of not speaking ill of other republican candidates, but he, romney himself, insulted reagan when he was running for office against teddy kennedy. >> hang on a sec. kellyanne -- >> can i answer that -- >> whoa, whoa. wait. you can in a moment. let me jump in and play a little clip of saint gingrich, as i'm now having to call him for the purposes of this little exchange, because he's been dishing it out, too. let's watch this. >> i would just say that if governor romney would like to
give back all the money he's earned from bankrupting companies and laying off employees over his years at bain then i would be glad to then listen to him. and i'll bet you $10, not $10,000, that he won't take the offer. >> and that was in response to a very specific question -- >> piers, this is not about -- >> he was asked a question about what governor romney said, which is you should give back -- >> i understand. but the point is -- to the casual observer it's clear the gloves have come off. and it's obvious why. with three weeks away from the iowa election, it's going to be a massive moment for this race because mitt romney's been the clear favorite from the start and suddenly out of nowhere has come newt gingrich. now, let me turn back to you, senator. >> thank you. >> you respond to what kellyanne said, by all means, but also what are you going to do about the fact that all the momentum is now with your rival? >> well, look, this is a debate that we need to have. and it's not about what the campaign tactics are.
it's about the records of the two candidates. he attacked the surge three years ago. we nominated john mccain largely because he was aggressive and effective in supporting the surge. that's what we wanted in iraq. newt opposed it. when i was there in the house he said an outrageous thing when the government shut down. he said the government shut down because president clinton had made him get off the back of air force one. that had nothing to do with it. but it completely undermined our efforts. this is a debate we need to have. in terms of governor romney -- in terms of governor romney and where he is in iowa and the rest of it, we think we have an excellent contrast because in romney we have a candidate who has advanced the conservative agenda, far more conservative and far more aggressive than anything we've seen in the last 20 years. we know he can beat barack obama. we know he can bring in a lot of votes. and we know that if he's the nominee the election is going to be about barack obama, the economy, and obama's failed policies. if newt gingrich is the nominee, the election is going to be about the republican nominee, which is exactly what the
democrats want. >> there's just no evidence of that, sir, with all due respect. and let me just say, because i watch piers morgan and i see other people come on his show and want to talk about electability. electability is a fiction. ask president hillary clinton or president rudy giuliani what it means to have everybody, all the king's horses, all the king's men supporting you and saying you can win, you can win. can win. barack obama himself defied people telling him, you can't win, wait your turn, who are you? he's president of the united states. electability is a fiction. and i've seen this for years. when campaigns are losing in the polls and losing attributes in the polls, like who do you trust to fix the economy? newt is now beating mitt on that. the cbs poll has newt leading mitt on who do you trust in foreign policy by more than two to one. campaigns get desperate and say but we're the ones who can win, we can beat barack obama. there's simply no proof of that. it's a fiction. just -- >> let me jump in, kelly, and talk to senator talent again. let me put it to you, to your man's advantage, he already has support from eight u.s.
senators, 45 house members and 3 governors. he also has by common agreement a much more sophisticated and experienced machine behind him. and there is a feeling that this campaign may last a long time. it could go well through the spring and into early summer because of the way that california and new york and so on have been put back. so this could be a long haul. is newt gingrich really geared up, do you think, as the opponent, for the long haul? >> well, we are. i mean, no, i don't think he's put the campaign together. he's never run in anything bigger than a house seat. we haven't nominated anybody who hasn't run in a larger constituency i guess since general eisenhower, and he won world war ii. look, again, this is about a contrast between two candidates, one who has advanced a strong conservative record who is a disciplined candidate who can win this election and more important can turn the government around and move us back from the brinks.
the stakes are huge. >> senator, i will let the lady have the last word. >> fair enough. >> and i want the last word to be in response to this. newt gingrich has made one of the great comebacks. he was absolutely on his knees last summer. and now we look at where he is. however, to become the president he's got to avoid what many of his critics say is his big achilles' heel and that's his ability to self-destruct. do you think he can do that? >> he can and he has. you're looking at the 68-year-old church-going grandfather of two who is calm, rested and positive. i think you see that. he was under attack from every side on saturday night in that debate, piers. and he emerged, to everybody's -- according to everybody's account as the winner. and that's the kind of temperament you need in the white house, not somebody who when flustered being asked by governor perry about something that's in his own book, you know, says, let me make a $10,000 bet. all he had to do is say let me set up ten $1,000 scholarships, governor perry, for ten inner
city children in houston. let me donate a month's worth of sonograms, now that i'm pro-life romney, let me donate a month of sonograms to a crisis pregnancy center in austin. it's not even the capacity to think that way. newt is surging in the early states because the people there are paying attention to substance, not electability. >> i have to leave it there. i said the last word, not the last thousand words, i'm afraid. but i get your point. one thing is for sure, it is definitely getting very exciting. i look forward to talking to you both again. and indeed your bosses. kellyanne conway and jim talent, thank you both very much. so who is more likely to unite the gop, newt gingrich or mitt romney? joining me now is the chairman of the republican national committee, and that's reince priebus. mr. priebus, we heard there the spokespeople for either party, both gearing up the rhetoric, getting stuck into each other. so it's clearly gloves off time. from your perspective, obviously, you have to remain fairly neutral at the moment, but how are you viewing the race as it's progressing? >> well, i don't know if the
gloves are off. i mean, i think it's a pretty typical primary battle. i really think primaries are good for our party, piers. if you look at what happened with hillary clinton, barack obama four years ago, they nearly took a fork to each other's eyeballs through the end of june before the national convention. and you know, the president won pretty easily and took a supermajority of congress and 60 votes in the senate with him. so i know people love to talk about this stuff, but i think in primaries you're going to get a few punches in the nose here and there, but in the end i really feel great about our chances which is borne out in all of the polling that you're seeing across america. not one of these polls shows the president not in the toilet. that's where he's at. that's where his numbers are at. that's not good for him. >> well, he may be doing not that great in the polling, approval ratings, but what he is seeing is definitely a bounce back involving the jobs.
unemployment was a much better performance than people expected in the last numbers that came out. you're seeing the iraq war has now been brought to an end. you're seeing big foreign policy hits with bin laden -- >> well, you're seeing -- >> yeah, but there are a few ticks in the box now which from an election nearing point of view i think are actually -- >> but actually, people -- things -- but wait a minute. on the jobs number, clearly it's not better. it's worse. i mean, there are more people unemployed this month than there were last month. more people threw their arms up in the air and said i don't even want to file a paper with the department of labor. twice as many people did that than actually received a job, which created the illusion that the jobs number got better when in reality any person studying the numbers knows that there are fewer people working today than there were working in january of 2009 when the president took office. i mean, quite frankly, he hasn't fulfilled a single one of his
promises, piers. and whether a number or percent goes up and down, somebody in kenosha, wisconsin, or roanoke, virginia, they're not doing better today than they were when the president made these grand promises three or four years ago. i mean, everything is worse. everything he touched got worse. >> well, it may be not great but it certainly wasn't great when he took over either. so it's a debate that will go on raging -- >> that's not a very good -- >> thank you very much. >> -- bumper sticker. thank you, piers. >> thank you for your time. appreciate it. when we come back, the man who was a republican front-runner almost exactly four years ago and then lost. rudy giuliani. who would he endorse?
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just seven weeks later he dropped out after a poor showing in the florida primary. and joining me now is former new york mayor rudy giuliani. rudy, how are you? >> how are you, piers? >> i'm very well. here we go, then. we're exactly where you were when you were 12 points ahead and dreaming of becoming the nominee and president. and then as i said we all know what happened. if you're newt gingrich, fairly ominous, i would imagine, these parallels. aren't they? >> well, being a front-runner is always ominous, right? we have seen what happened to michele bachmann, rick perry, herman cain. we saw what happened to hillary clinton when she was roughly in the same position i was in at this time four years ago, maybe even further ahead of barack obama. so being a front-runner is always perilous. but it doesn't mean you're not going to win. newt has a few advantages i didn't have. i never had a chance in iowa. so i knew i was going to lose iowa. newt can win iowa. and then really i lost in florida because i lost in new hampshire.
and by that time i was out of it. so two primaries pretty much reduced my chance in florida to almost nothing. so now if newt can win in iowa, if he can come close in new hampshire, because i think everyone expects that governor romney, being governor of massachusetts and living in new hampshire, governor romney has to do real well in new hampshire. and then if newt can win south carolina, he'll go into florida with a head of steam, and right now he's at 50% in florida. so nothing is certain. somebody else could come along, you know. i go back four years before my election and right before iowa, about four weeks before howard dean was ahead by 15 points, and then john kerry won. so you know, there's going to be an interesting four weeks. >> it's certainly turning into a good old scrap between it would appear now newt gingrich and mitt romney. would you anticipate that is now going to be the face-off?
i mean, can you see any of the other candidates really making much of a push at this stage? >> i watched the debates, you know, on saturday night. i tend to believe that this is now a two-person race between mitt and newt, although i was surprised at how feisty the other candidates were. i mean -- and they weren't just going after gingrich. they were going after romney as much, maybe more than gingrich, which surprised me because gingrich is the front-runner and you would think they'd be trying to knock him off the pedestal. but for some reason rick perry leveled some pretty good strong attacks on romney. michele bachmann lumped romney and gingrich together and hit them both pretty hard. so i think that the two of them are going to end up being the candidates that take it down to the wire. >> i mean, what's interesting, rudy, is that you look at mitt romney and newt gingrich and they're very different characters. so you have in newt gingrich a kind of washington bruiser who's
been around the block and has a lot of baggage professionally and personally. then you have mitt romney who has no baggage at all personally. a bit of flip-flop hell in his cv. but also somebody who's seen to be just not very exciting. i mean, what is your expert assessment of the two candidates? >> i think that's a pretty good assessment. i mean, newt -- newt is brilliant. newt is where he is because he's excelled in each one of these debates including the last one where he was -- that's one of the best debate performances i've seen because they were all coming after him. he dealt with it with humor. he dealt with it with equanimity and didn't get himself off track. he did a pretty good job of explaining some of the things that have become controversial, like his statement on palestine. he gave a very good historical explanation of it. ended up having all the other candidates agree with him. so we can't discount newt's extraordinary debating ability, which is far and away, you know, better than anyone else.
on the other hand, governor romney has almost a perfect record for a person to be running right now. experience in government, experience in business. understands the economy. but there is something missing. you're absolutely right. there's some kind of a personal connection that doesn't get made that the other candidates probably do a better job at. >> yeah, i thought it was interesting the big furor that blew up over his $10,000 bet offer. and the reason i think is blew up was it kind of illustrated his problem. that there is a disconnect between this extravagantly rich man and the ordinary punter in the street. and he just exacerbated that, didn't he? >> well, that's one of the things that you fear going into a debate. i did about 11 debates when i was running for president. and i can tell you -- and have participated in debate preparation for other candidates. the thing you fear the most is making that one statement that's
going to live after the debate. and that was a -- that was a big mistake. in this day and age with people suffering, people out of work, people worried about being out of work, it does, i think, illustrate one of the problems of governor romney's candidacy, both as the republican candidate and then should he ever be, you know, the nominee of the party against barack obama because obama, who appears to want to conduct a class warfare campaign, having a guy, you know, in that top 1% and maybe even in the 1% of the 1%, that's going to be a heck of a target for obama. >> that's a good point. let's take a little break, rudy, and come back and discuss that very point about obama's apparent declaration of class war and what you think of obama because he's clearly gearing up himself now for the election battle and his supporters are feeling pretty confident. >> after the debate was over ann came up and gave me a kiss and
after nearly nine years our war in iraq ends this month. >> that was president obama today on the end of the war in iraq. and i'm back now with rudy giuliani. rudy, we'll come to that in a moment, about his position on iraq, but let's talk about president obama generally because he's clearly got his dander up now. he's into election mode. he's a very good electioneer, we know that. he's a good debater. he's a good talker. i've noticed a real upping of the ante in the obama camp. what are you seeing? >> i think that's absolutely right. i mean, first of all, they're face something real difficulties. his approval rating is down to 41%. i mean, anytime you're below 50, it's always a big question. when you're re-elect is below 50, that's when you take on a senator, a congressman, a president. he's down to 41. if it drops much lower than that, it's going to really be almost disaster time for him. so i believe the white house, although they're not going to say this, is feeling -- i'm not going to call it panic, but they're feeling a certain kind of anxiety about this because
the numbers don't look very good for him. so what do they have good for them? they have the presidency. they have a president who is an extraordinary campaigner. he's a gifted campaigner. i don't happen to think he's a very good president, but i think he's an extraordinary politician as a campaigner. and i think they've made their choice as to how they're going to run this campaign. they're going to try to appeal to the middle class, and they're going to run this as a middle class against the rich campaign. i don't like that. i think that's bad for america. i think dividing is not the way to really build this country. look, but dividing could be a way to win an election. elections have been won before that way. so i think that's the choice they've made. and they're going to be very, very -- i think very disciplined and very focused on that. and that's where republicans have to consider, well, who would be our best candidate if they're going to do this class warfare kind of campaign? who would be our best candidate to take on obama?
>> yeah, and what's the answer? who would be, do you think? if that is the battleground. >> i think that's why newt gingrich is doing better than people ever expected. i mean, newt has his negatives. we all know them. they got explored ad infinitum in the debate the other night. but one of the strengths that he has is he's got a common touch, he's able to talk to people, he comes from a poor family, understands poverty from that point of view. he doesn't come from the american elite. it's going to be hard to paint him that way. a lot of other ways you can paint him, but you can't paint him that way. >> i mean, it would be an amazing comeback if newt gingrich was to win the nomination now. in the summer he was dead and buried. the first question on any radio show was given that you're now dead, newt, what do you think about mitt romney? it's been unbelievable. >> it has. but it is history repeating itself. this is what happened to me. this is what happened to john mccain. i thought john mccain was out of it.
in one debate i said that if i weren't running i would be supporting john mccain. i probably said that in part out of conviction. i happen to admire john mccain immensely. he's always been a hero of mine. but i also probably said it because i thought john was out of it and i was just kind of complimenting because i was hoping to get his support. and then john just rose from the ashes, took the nomination from huckabee, from me, from romney. and he did it in about a four-week period. and i mean, we kind of have a tendency to do this as republicans. so what newt has to do now, he's got to build an organization for himself so that he can take this popular enthusiasm he has and then he can convert it into wins when you get even past florida. >> let's take a look at what president obama said about newt gingrich. >> what do you make of this surge by former speaker gingrich? >> he's somebody who's been around a long time and is good
on tv, is good in debates and, you know, but mitt romney has shown himself to be somebody who is good at politics as well. he's had a lot of practice at it. you know, i think that they will be going at it for a while. >> president obama on cbs's "60 minutes" show there talking about the two candidates. what's interesting is we're picking up vibes that the president's people are saying, yeah, romney's the one we really fear. now, that normally means the complete opposite. so should we read into that that they're probably more worried about newt gingrich? >> i would give them some advice. president carter feared george bush and not ronald reagan because he thought ronald reagan was too old, ronald reagan was an actor, ronald reagan was too right wing. and this would be kind of interesting. ronald reagan had a tendency to say incendiary things. you know, this happened when he was president, but all throughout. calling the soviets the evil
empire, demanding that gorbachev bring down the wall, being against the panama canal treaty, that was before he ran for president. and then the white house got what they wished for. they got ronald reagan. and he won in a virtual landslide. he won by 8%, 10%. so if i were the white house, i would take both of them very seriously. because they both have substantial strengths that can play against obama's weaknesses. and by the same token, there are negatives about both men that the white house can exploit. they're just different. my gut tells me right now as i look at it that gingrich might actually be the stronger candidate because i think he can make a broader connection than mitt romney, as i said, to the -- to those reagan democrats where you won't have this barrier of possible elitism that i think obama could exploit pretty effectively.
>> let's take another break. let's come back. i want to talk about what you think of alec baldwin flirting with the idea of becoming your old job, the new york mayor. if he can get off a plane. ♪ [ slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums
interfere with the plane's communication system? >> you don't believe that, do you, seth? would you really get on an airplane that flew 30,000 feet in the air if you thought one kindle switch could take it down? come on! it's just a cruel joke perpetrated by the airline industry. >> that's alec baldwin on "saturday night live" talking about his dustup with american airlines over his outrageous decision to play words with friends on his phone. you're chuckling away there, rudy. i mean, it was all a bit of a storm in a teacup, wasn't it? >> it sure was. i sympathize with alec on that one because i'm a kindle almost addict. and i get really annoyed when i have to turn it off when the plane is taxiing out because you have the off switch on, it's not communicating anything. i have on occasion tried to explain to flight attendants, it's like a book. it doesn't communicate. but they don't -- they haven't seemed to have caught up with the technology.
there is no danger because nothing is communicating to the kindle. it's in the memory of the kindle. so maybe the faa should revisit this rule. so i have -- >> rudy, you're the perfect guy to ask because i'd imagine you know all about this kind of technical stuff. as far as i'm aware, there's never been any evidence that even if you have these devices on -- >> right. >> -- they have any effect on a plane's radar systems. do they? >> i don't believe they do. i suspect in the airplane half the people have their cell phones on on any airplane that's taking off or landing and nothing happens. but baldwin's case is actually better than that. he had the off switch on, which means it wasn't communicating. you know, a kindle operates so that you get your newspapers and you get your books downloaded into the kindle, you then put on the off switch, now it's in the kindle, you're not communicating at all. you have a book in front of you. and that's the part that i think there is absolutely no evidence and there's nothing particularly
logical about the fact that that would interfere with anything. and i think at some point -- >> there's been spectacular fallout because alec baldwin has now removed himself from twitter, thus depriving me of endless hours of fun with him at night. because when he's had a couple of glasses of wine at midnight, i think he's hysterical. i twhi should launch collectively the bring alec baldwin back to twitter campaign. >> i'll join that. i think alec's problem here is he overreacted. maybe he should do a kind of a version of "anger management 2" with adam sandler. that might be a good movie for him. they could do one on an airplane. he could get into trouble and go into "anger management." since i had a small part in "anger management 1," maybe they'd let me reprise my old role in "anger management 1." >> i love this. now we're getting somewhere. on a slightly more serious note, there have been sort of flirtations in sections of the media that alec baldwin might be a candidate to be the mayor of new york.
i suspect he's not going to be. but what are your views generally about who the next mayor ought to be? >> i think it's going to be really hard to follow mike bloomberg. mike's done a really fabulous job. i'm very concerned about it because when i left being mayor i was really worried that the city would be taken over by an old-fashioned democratic politician and that they would turn the city back to becoming a patronage mill and a city that didn't really measure performance and didn't focus on business-like approaches to how you solve crime, how you deal with welfare. and mike has taken everything i did, built on it and improved it. so i'd like to see a mayor come along that's going to be -- let's call it a nonpolitician in their approach to the way in which they run the city. so i'd be interested in somebody from the outside. i mean, i have very different political views than alec baldwin. i have a hard time overcoming his saying he was going to move out of the country when george bush became president. but i know alec, i like him a lot.
and if he wants to make a bid for it, we shouldn't just discount it. we should listen to him. he's got a great deal -- >> i agree with you. >> he's got a great deal of talent. he's been interested in public issues for quite some time. i think the next mayor of new york city, we might be very well served, if it isn't alec, someone who comes from outside of politics who takes a different view of it and isn't going to get involved in all those old political games that used to bring the city down. >> and imagine what a vote winner it would be if the first thing he did as new york mayor was announce that all new yorkers could play words with friends on airlines? >> that might be the one thing i agree with him. >> rudy, the great position you now have is you remain the front-runner of my most regular guests. that position remains yours. >> thank you very much, piers. >> and the reason is you're always such good value. so thank you very much for coming on. >> i'm very honored. thank you. you're doing a great job. >> thanks, rudy. take care. coming up, has president
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benefit not just the people who've been fantastically well over the last few decades but that benefits the middle class and those fighting to get into the middle class. and the economy as a whole. >> my next guest is a big supporter of the president and a man who's done fantastically well over the past few decades. hollywood movie mogul. harvey weinstein. harvey, welcome back. >> nice to see you, piers. >> each time we've talked there have been undulations and swings up and down for president obama and the republicans. where do you think he is right now given all that's been going on? >> when i see a speech like that, it looks like he's getting ready to fight and take some numbers. so i think he looks strong. and i think the republicans, every time they talk, you know, it just doesn't seem to go too well for them. >> what do you make of their race? because it's clear that they can't work out who they really want because the lead keeps changing. they keep building somebody up as this is the exciting new thing, and then crash and down
they come. what do you think of the way their race has gone? >> i don't think it's gone very well at all. i think we've seen a lot of mistakes. i think we've seen a lot of people who aren't that prepared. >> when you look at president obama's body language, the thing i've noticed is through the summer he seemed to be a little bit flat. he looked a bit on his knees. he's been beaten up by the republicans. when i watched that speech last week, i actually thought he had his gander back. >> i think the president cares deeply about this country and the constitution. when a bunch of people try to hijack that constitution. and let's -- let's not pretend. the tea party is financed by super, super wealthy guys who want all sorts of crazy economic laws that will benefit the super, super rich. >> people are accusing him now of class warfare. it seems a bit trite to say that because in any kind of society where you have this financial meltdown, isn't it instinctively the right thing to do that the rich should contribute a little
bit more to the recovery than those with no money? >> i think people like warren buffett, i'm not in his class but -- >> you're not far off, are you? >> there are people like myself, matt damon -- >> a couple of naughts in. >> i think there are people who can afford to give a little bit more. you know what? in the end, we'll get it back. better to do that than be secretive billionaires financing the tea party because you have untold needs for untold wealth for what reason? >> who do you think will be the republican nominee as we sit here today? >> i'm a moviemaker. you know, i -- >> but you're very political, too. >> i'm just for the president. i'm not political, per se. i think it would actually be good for this country and the president when they do choose a candidate and it can be one on one. whatever the ratings of the president is now, my bet is -- and i'll bet that they'll double when it's a one on one, when it's one up, one race. but remember, i don't know this game. i know another game. >> well, let's turn to your other game because although, ironically, of course, your other game is currently all about politics.
some of it. >> some of it. >> so you as usual as we head to the oscars have most of the movies out, harvey. i can't help but notice the timing of all this is always brilliantly schemed. >> piers, you made me a movie star. you made me a tv star. i never did television interviews until you called me last year after "the king's speech" and said come on the show. >> it's true. >> and then all of a sudden other people started calling. and you know -- >> let's have a little break. we can talk about how i've helped you in the break. >> sure. >> and when we come back, let's talk about marilyn and margaret thatcher. >> sounds good to me. >> yeah. my doctor told me calcium is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs.
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back now with my special guest, harvey weinstein, the man i've made into a famous tv star. so this is an interesting little conundrum for you, harvey, because you have the brilliant michelle williams, who's outstanding as marilyn. i had the pleasure of interviewing her recently. you also have the utterly brilliant meryl streep, who is possibly even more outstanding as margaret thatcher. they can't both win. so who do you want to win? >> here's how it happens. this is where king solomon taught me a great lesson. michelle williams is competing at the golden globes for best comedy or musical. meryl streep's in best drama. >> oh, you'll have -- >> i could have one of those
nights where serendipitously -- >> but they can't both win best actress at the oscars. >> you know what? may the best woman win. and they're both fantastic. but let's get to the golden globes first. wouldn't that be a nice night if they both won? >> tell me about margaret thatcher. i had the pleasure of knowing mrs. thatcher and met her quite a few times, actually. and she was a formidable woman. i mean, she's still alive, obviously. but she's in her dotage now. but at her peak really one of the most impressive, formidable people i've ever met in my life. >> when i first came on the show, i said i don't know if anybody will ever invite me out to a dinner because the conservatives told us if you do not saint her, do not expect to go anywhere on our side of the fence. and the liberal friends of mine to me if you do not demonize that woman then don't expect anything. so i figure i'll be in a cave somewhere. >> let's watch a clip from the movie. let's see meryl streep in action here. >> we will stand on principle, or we will not stand at all. >> but margaret-w all due
respect, when one has been to war -- >> with all due respect, sir, i have done battle every single day of my life, and many men have underestimated me before. this lot seem bound to do the same. but they will rue the day. >> i mean, i -- that is -- that's the first time i've seen it. it's uncanny. she looks like her. and she speaks like her. that's exactly how margaret thatcher really does speak. >> well, meryl transformed into her. that's one of the famous scenes in american history because ronald reagan sent alexander haig to buy her off the falklands. you do not need to do this, don't go, don't send the battleships, don't engage with the argentinean navy at all. keep it peaceful, and we'll cut a deal. and that's the turning point for reagan, because he had such incredible respect because in a very charming way she basically
showed alexander haig the door. she had -- i don't know if you can say, it but baseball balls. >> she wouldn't mind that. i met her once at a party. i met her a few times. but this one i remember the most. she came up to me. and i'd written something about her in the papers she didn't like, and it was about some economic policy she had. she came up and began jabbing me with her bony finger really hard. and i was like, wow, this is hurting. and she's like, "listen to me, young man." boom, boom, boom. i remember, she had this huge tumbler of whiskey. she used to drink whiskey out of these absolutely enormous tumblers. huge great thing. and she'd slug it back, bang you with her fingers, very churchillian, i always thought. she was the nearest thing to a female churchill. >> and she lasted longer than churchill. but the great thing about -- in the research is the name the iron lady. the name the iron lady came from the red army newspaper because she made a speech that was anti-soviet. >> that's right. >> so they called her the iron lady.
and the great thing about margaret thatcher was it was meant as an insult. from the russians. >> she loved it. >> she loved the name. >> of course. >> she sent a letter back to them saying, i totally approve, the iron lady. >> very quickly, on marilyn, another incredible performance. michelle williams. she really does become marilyn. what did you think of her? >> listen, that's a sexy, fun, entertaining movie. and i'm really proud of it. we found a small piece of british history. a 23-year-old boy, i'm sure you'd like to be this boy, piers. >> i would. >> me too. on the set of "pinewood," his first job working on a movie. arthur miller has a fight with her on their honeymoon. he leaves, the boy moves in. it's a romance, enchanting and true. michelle williams is amazing, and sexy as all get out. >> harvey, tell me about "the artist," which is this other movie you've got on the go. >> genius french producer tamed thomas langenham, whose father was claude bechlt r richlt the
great director. finances a $14 million black-and-white movie shot in america that's silent. and here's a silent movie in this day and age. kenny turan in the "l.a. times" said there's "avatar" and "the artist." the high end of technology and we're the complete low-end of technology. and it's funny and hilarious and it will teach you one thing which i learned the other day. it will take your blackberry. maureen dowd wrote this column saying silence is golden after they saw this movie. i went to dinner with my kids, on their blackberries, iphones, messages all through dinner. after i read her article about my movie, i said all right, guys, this is like a gunslinger in a saloon. take your guns out and put them on the table. and we all had to put our blackberries on the table. of course five minutes later my kids are going, i've got to go to the bathroom, dad. and they're grabbing it. i said no, you can't go to the bathroom. >> i love that idea, the silent harvey weinstein. >> we weren't silent. we just weren't on the blackberries. we actually talked to each other.