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wow! >> we had some fun that night. that's going to wrap things up for "sg md" today. time to get you back into the "cnn newsroom" with don lemon. hello, everyone, i'm don lemon, you are in the "cnn newsroom." it's top of the hour. back now to our live coverage. bizarre twists in the hunt for two florida killers freed from prison by mistake. we now know both charles walker and joseph jenkins spent time with their families in orlando going to church, even visiting their grandparents. apparently they were not hiding at all for days even a couple of weeks. now a manhunt is under way to put the killers back behind bars. just a short time ago walker's mother stood before cameras pleading with her son to turn himself in. >> charles, is there anything too hard for god? god knows who you are.
i know who you are. your family knows who you are. and we want you to return home safely. >> both men were serving life sentences for murder. forged paperwork douched prison officials in to thinking the men's sentences had been reduced. i want to go straight now to nick valencia who has been tracking this story near caravel, how are they handling this with these men free? >> reporter: lost in all of this is the emotion of the victims' family. our cnn crew in orlando sat down with the son of one of the victims of joseph jenkins and just by listening to him, don, you can really tell how terrified he is and after learning about his father's murderer's release.
>> no one's taking it for granted. no one is taking it lightly. we're taking it as if the last time we saw this guy was when he killed our dad and now it's 15 or 16 years later and now he's out, we don't know what he's capable of. that's the last time we saw him. >> reporter: the emotions are raw for the mother of the charles walker and we spoke to her days ago and she's saying she's terrified that her son's killer is out and they don't understand how this could happen and on on top of that the finger-pointing going on by all the agencies involved. no one wants to take credit for the mistake and no one seems to know just how this happened, don? >> the latest on the search, what do we know? >> reporter: well, we heard from the sheriff's department in orange county a little while ago and they said they have legitimate reason to believe both of the convicts are in the state of florida, perhaps more specifically into the orlando area. getting back to the mother of one of the vic tomorrows, she poke to our cnn team and she said that friends of the family
notified her that charles walker was walking around a mall in orlando just free like everybody else. the investigation has no new leads today, but the fdle, the florida department of law enforcement, says they're following tips that they've gotten and they've talked to the family members. also getting back to that press conference earlier, the family members, they made it a point to stress that they had nothing to do with the escape of either two of these escaped convicts, that they were not involved, they had nothing to do with it and they stressed that at the press conference earlier today, don? >> nick valencia in florida, appreciate your reporting. and make sure you join us tonight. tonight at 8:00 eastern when we look at the big crime stories of the week from the florida inmates accidentally released that nick just spoke about to the missouri teen whose family was run out of town after she cried rape to the utah doctor accused of murdering his wife in the bathtub. we're covering these stories from every angle for you, making the case, that's tonight 8:00 eastern right here on cnn
"making the case." 8:00 eastern. well, hallelujah, this is good news, the united states government open again and hundreds of thousands of federal employees -- federal employees returning to their offices again. it was thursday when the blur of commuters returned to the d.c. rush hour. this after a 16-day partial government shutdown that kept thousands of offices and public sites closed and locked, but the solution is a temporary one. and our chris lawrence is in washington right now with the very latest. chris? >> reporter: well, don, the clock is definitely ticking because all the last deal did was just set a new deadline to come up with a more permanent agreement, and now they've got to figure out a way to reach some sort of compromise in about eight weeks. that's something they couldn't do in six months preceding the last deal. i spoke with a representative from taxpayers for common sense, who talked about the realistic chances of finding some common ground. do you think there's any chance
that the folks in that building are going to do a better job of compromising this time? >> they have to. i mean, it's hard to do much worse than what they've done in the past, and so all eyes are on them. and we need them to step up. we actually need lawmakers to do their job for once. >> reporter: so, here's where we stand. the house passed a budget that contains about $4 trillion in spending cuts. the senate passed a budget that has about $1 trillion in new taxes. they've got to come together by the middle of december to reach some sort of compromise. and both sides may have more incentive to deal this time around. hardcore conservatives who took the nation, you know, over the edge so to speak last time, they may be more sidelined and that may empower house speaker john boehner during the next round of negotiations. the trump card has been played so to speak with the shutdown. on the other side democrats who refused to negotiate last time around, well, now they're coming
up against mandatory across-the-board spending cuts that they don't want to see so perhaps, perhaps, we'll see a deal before the eleventh hour. don? >> chris, thank you. a dangerous asteroid zipped past our earth and we didn't even know it, it was discovered during the government shutdown when nasa was closed. and nasa said it came within 4 million miles offered and it's not due to make a return visit for 19 years. we'll have more on this story a little bit more later on in this hour. and nasa employees are among the government workers who have returned to their jobs after being furloughed for nearly three weeks and tourists are flocking to the reopened landmarks. cnn's rene marsh has more now, rene? >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. >> reporter: tourists lined up as the nation's parks, museums and memorials reopened for business from the florida everglades to the smithsonian air and space museum. how does it feel to be inside today? >> better ask him.
>> reporter: how does it feel to be inside today? >> awesome. >> good morning. >> reporter: employees are back on the job after three weeks of forced time off. >> it's good to be back at work. >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: on capitol hill where most members have fled for their home districts, a furloughed staffer got the historic ohio clock ticking again. but as the vice president greeted returning epa employees with muffins, he warned all that time off would mean a backlog of paper work. >> now they're back and that they got all that work piled up, so they got a lot to do so i won't hold them up here. >> reporter: for the first few days back, federal employees say they'll be playing catch-up. >> that's the number one thing, okay, what did go on workwise for the past couple of weeks. >> reporter: this faa employee told us it could take him a week to clear the backlog. in alaska king crab fishermen could lose tens of thousands of dollars a day waiting in the harbor while returning federal workers sift through their catch
permit requests. >> i'm very hopeful that when the government opens, the agency will make it a top priority to get that crab issued, or get that quota issued. >> reporter: medical researchers say it will take time to ramp up their projects again. the good news, once again americans can tune in to the national zoo's panda cam, which is broadcasting online with heightened interest causing some delays. one thing on the minds of many, hoping congress doesn't force them through another shutdown in a few months. >> my understanding is this is just for 90 days. after the 90 days, then what? >> reporter: rene marsh, cnn, washington. >> very good question. after 90 days, then what. we have some new information here to cnn. cnn has confirmed that jpmorgan chase has tentatively reached a $13 billion deal with the justice department to resolve several investigations of its mortgage business. a u.s. official tells cnn this,
jpmorgan chase would pay $9 billion in fines and penalties plus $4 billion in consumer relief that includes loan modifications. apparently jpmorgan executives and workers could still face charges in the future. the official tells cnn the tentative deal does not include a nonprosecution agreement that jpmorgan chase had pushed hard to include. we're going to talk about that, what this might mean to you and to me a little bit later on this hour so make sure you stay tuned. you know, it may just be the lasting legacy of president barack obama, but right now the only thing that's lasting is problems with the obama care website where americans are supposed to sign up. does it need to be scrapped and remade entirely? that's next. and ahead, some are saying a rape case in missouri may not be prosecuted -- may not get prosecuted -- because the accused comes from a family with ties to local politics.
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saying the problems with healthcare.gov stemmed from the fact that so many people are going to the website. an independent analysis, however, showed that just 1% of people who attempted to register at healthcare.gov, the federal exchange, were able ultimately to sign up for obama care. so, now there's a realization that there really have been these structural problems, something we heard president obama be very candid about this week. >> i am the first to acknowledge that the website that was supposed to do this all in a seamless way has had way more glitches than i think are acceptable. and we've got people working around the clock to do that. and we've seen some significant progress, but until it's 100% i'm not going to be satisfied. >> reporter: president obama said employees are working around the clock to fix the website. that's really the first step. i spoke with supporters of obama care, they say after that it's an issue of public awareness. we saw president obama at the
beginning of the month do a couple of high-profile events, he may have to do something like that again. and then they raised the question about this penalty that kicks in if you haven't signed up for insurance by the end of march, some are wondering if perhaps that penalty could be delayed. >> all right, brianna, thank you very much. you know, sebelius couldn't even catch a break on the "daily show" where jon stewart poked fun at her for the website's failures. >> we're going to do a challenge. i'm going to try and download every movie ever made and you are going to f toing to try to obama care and we'll see which happens first. >> okay. >> ouch. the problem could be getting worse instead of better. some insurers say that they're getting the wrong data from the feds. here to talk about obama care's issues cnn money tech pro, laurie siegel. i mean, it's terrible. let's not beat around the bush,
it is awful and it is embarrassing that they've had so much time to figure this out and they haven't figured it out. and they're inviting the criticism from their critics, so what is going so wrong with this? contracts to the wrong companies, who's to blame for all of this? >> well, you are correct. things are not going very well here as we all know. >> an understatement. >> but who are you going to indict? a lot of people are saying indict the system. you have contractors and budget constraints and timing regulations. there was all this traffic, i think 4.6 million people signing on in the first 24 hours, but then you had trouble on the back end. i thought i know a ton of folks in silicon valley, these are the pros, i spoke to the founder of war press, and let me put this in context. word press essentially powers one in every five sites on the internet, listen to what he said. >> okay. >> you know, in software they say you can have it fast, cheap, or good, pick two out of three and it sounds like they went for the fast and cheaper.
software is difficult to do, and you can't manage it like construction, and typically especially in silicon valley, like, we use the very latest technologies. often government hasn't adopted many of those yet and if they haven't properly load tested the website beforehand it's very possible that, you know, it can be overwhelmed with -- they find bottlenecks. >> and let me also put this in context for you, word press funded $30 million over an 8-year span, obama care's website funneled hundreds of millions of dollars in the last year, pretty eye opening when you put those numbers together. >> i know you said, you know, you can't -- there's a lot of blame to go around. i think the blame falls on the obama administration, because this was their deal, they know technology was part of it, their winning strategy, technology. this isn't something that you can farm out like a contractor to the lowest bidder, correct? >> i mean, absolutely not.
think about the silicon valley companies, they recruit for the best engineers if this is a project that's going to get any sway. i spoke to mark benioff, he's the ceo of a company called salesforce and i said what could they have done better? let's talk to these folks. and let me read to you what he said to me, it's too bad the government is not using the cloud or this wouldn't be happening. they are still building with a two-decade-old architecture. it's surprising because obama's administration is notorious for being pretty decent with technology at least more so than others. >> so, where was it, this was some company in canada, right, some canadian company that put the website together, what would have happened if it was google or apple or someone from silicon valley designing this? >> i asked matt, why didn't they ask you to come in and do this. facebook's ceo said move fast and break things, well, in the government it looks like things aren't moving that quickly.
>> but they are breaking things. >> they surely are, which is a problem. it's a complex website, on the back end it's pinging other federal agencies when you go in and sign up. they need to anticipate for these levels and they clearly didn't under that 4.6 million people would be signing on in the first couple of days. they needed to go ahead and break the servers before they put them out there to see how much traffic they could even -- they could even withstand. >> yeah, so it sounds to me like maybe -- i don't even know. i haven't even gone on to try to do it. initially you can set of get on and do it but once you start to try to connect to other agencies depending on where you fall in the health care thing, that's where things start to break down? >> essentially the problem within the account creation part of the process, bottom line. >> got it. we shall see. all they have to do instead of shutting the government down is just let it -- this happen and then that would have made their case for them. okay, thank you. appreciate that, laurie. up next, crime and the mind. could a 12-year-old suicide raise the stakes in the fight to stop bullying? should prosecutors start going
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all right, right now it's time for crime and the mind. this week a couple of cases captured our attention. first of all, a 12-year-old's girl suicide in florida raises the stakes in the anti-bullying crusade, should prosecutors go after the parents. and emotional wounds are ripped open when a case of alleged rape gets a second look by investigators in a small town in missouri. first to florida where a young girl jumped to her death after allegedly being bullied by two former friends, rebecca sedgwick is the victim and her classmates were arrested and charged with stalking and tormenting rebecca online. what started this chain of events, the girls liked the same boy. senseless and tragic. let's bring in holly hughes and human behavior expert wendy walsh. okay, holly, first to you, let's revisit my question from earlier.
could and should prosecutors go after the parents here? >> as the law is drafted right now, they cannot. interestingly enough, the mother of one of the girls who allegedly bullied rebecca has been arrested on separate charges, don, where she is actually caught on videotape beating, pummelling, with closed fists other teenage children. so, you know, the old expression that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, i mean, this young girl who is now charged with this stalking, obviously learned this behavior somewhere and we can see where because her mother is caught on video abusing other children and has now been charged with that crime. >> wendy, the bullying got very nasty online. parents have enough on their plates. i mean, what advice do you have for them when it comes to monitoring their onlike activity? obviously, this parent is a different story, though. >> well, i think the usual, that we all need to be our child's friend on facebook. we need to be their twitter follower. we need to be as aware as we can. but it is impossible to really
keep tabs on everything your child is doing online. i think more importantly, and this is not to blame the parents in this tragic incident of the girl who committed suicide. this was her second suicide attempt. she'd been suffering from depression. if you have a child with mental health issues, allowing them to have free rein online could be very injuroe ou injurious to th and control their access to on the digital world. >> i'll present the question similarly to holly. let's look at this facebook angle. can someone's words or online posts be used against them for another person's death? is this like pulling the trigger? >> well, it's free speech, don, that's what you're going to run into. unless somebody is actively saying, you know, you need to go out and kill yourself and encouraging the person to do that over and over and then taking additional steps, any
speech that's posted on facebook is going to be seen as free speech and protected under the first amendment. so, right now, no, it can't be used to charge them. however, if there is additional evidence, you better believe that those posts will be entered into evidence in the trial to prove the state of mind of the bully or the person accused. so, it's not enough to charge them. you're not going to be able to say you made this person commit murder based on your facebook post and that's what we're charging you with. however, the sheriff down there has charged them with stalking because of the amount of time that they went after this girl online. >> i think you should be able to. i think people -- i think people say the nastiest things online and on websites, on twitter and on facebook. i think you should be able to prosecute someone for their words. i think it should be a like a trigger. and do you think we can ever get to that point, holly? i have 20 seconds left. >> i don't think you're going to. i think the first amendment
protects unless it's something like yelling fire in a crowded theater, you're not going to be able to go on words alone. there have to be actions. >> wendy? >> teach their kids to block their friends and block the bullies and you need to block some of your twitter followers, i think, don. >> we'll talk about that, wendy. you and i will have a long conversation about that at 6:00 eastern. but up next, why are prosecutors taking a new look into the missouri girls' allegations that they were raped by a couple of football players and why were the charges dropped in the first place? could it have been politics? american express credit card, every purchase earns you 2% cash back, which is deposited in your fidelity account. is that it? actually... there's no annual fee and no limits on rewards.
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all right, back now to our crime in the mind segment and now to missouri where two girls say they were raped at a party. charges were filed, then dropped, and now could be refiled. a lot of confusion and controversy on the case, not to mention emotional wounds ripped right open. and there is a twist. the victims say the case was dropped because one of the boys' grandfathers is a former state legislator. george howell has the details for you. >> reporter: it's a topic most people here don't like talking about publicly, but nearly everyone has a strong opinion about it. the alleged sexual assault of two girls, ages 13 and 14 at the time, by a senior football player and one of his friends. the case closed, not more than two years ago, until now. a special prosecutor will be appointed as early as next week to review the facts and determine whether to refile
charges. jeffrey price, who grew up in maryville, missouri, says it's about time. >> i think it's a great thing, because i think that matt barnett got off scott free because of his family. >> reporter: matt barnett was accused by daisy coleman of raping her and leaving her to die outside her house. coleman and her mother melinda accused the prosecutor of dropping charges because the defendant is from a political family. they say the allegations have divided the town. >> half the town is for the girl. and the other half of the town is for the boys. >> reporter: it comes down to one key question, why was the case closed in the first place? prosecutor robert rice tells cnn neither daisy nor her mother wanted to testify at the time. >> the witnesses never told me or came up to contacted me to tell me they changed their mind after the moment they invoked
their fifth amendment right in a deposition under oath. >> reporter: you know, they say that they didn't do that, though. >> i understand what they say and we've got a deposition under oath. and the reason why we did the deposition under oath is because i had a feeling that this could be an issue later on and i wanted to document the file. >> reporter: rice says it wasn't until he heard the teens interview on cnn's "out front" that he decided to request a special prosecutor step in. barnett is not speaking publicly, but his attorney says his client admits there was a sexual encounter, but claims it was consensual. barnett's grandfather, a former state representative, rejects any claims that his grandson was given special treatment. >> i knew because as long as i've been in politics and law enforcement, i knew if this thing drug on very long i would be pulled into it some way or the other just for political reasons so i made it a point not to talk to the prosecuting attorney, to the sheriff, to any of the witnesses directly or
indirectly. and i stuck to that. >> all right, our thanks to george howell for that report. you know, i know criminal defense attorney holly hughes and wendy walsh have a lot to say about this particular case. wendy, i want to talk to you first about this, the boy says the sex was consensual, but daisy was a minor at the time. what do you make of this explanation? >> keep in mind one was prosecuted because the girl was 13 but in that state when the girl is 14 having sex with a 17-year-old could be considered consensual, however, both girls were given a clear liquid when they arrived in a large glass and drank it very quickly, so alcohol could have been used as a weapon in this case. i think the big issue here, this is social class, don. just look at the backgrounds in that tape. i'm talking about the locations where they're shot and you have an idea where the money is flowing and what's happening in this town. >> yeah. isn't it -- you know, we've been talking about this a lot, social
class has a lot to do with a lot of what we talk about, right? a lot of crime. >> uh-huh. >> holly, could the boys' friend who allegedly videotaped the incident be charged with anything? >> he could be actually, don, under what they call the party to a crime concept. which if you are -- it's kind of like when you used to watch the old police show they used to say, you're aiding and abetting, right? that's what we call here, we call party to a crimes now, so if you in any way encourage or assist or stand by and sort of help the person or allow the person to commit the crime, you could also be charged with that underlying felony. so, yes, he does also run the risk of being charged, but if they're smart, the prosecutor that's now being appointed is going to do is flip him and use him to testify against the main felon who is accused of the rape. >> holly, i want to stay with you here, because we talked about the family, the guy was a football player. >> right. >> daisy's family says apart from him being a high school
football player that the alleged rapist's grandfather is a former state legislator and so the case was dropped. is there any way to prove that? >> you know, absent a videotape where they're actually caught admitting that was the reason for dropping it, no, there's not. you know, you can certainly suspect based on all the facts and circumstances. it's called circumstantial evidence. you can look at the power structure, who's in charge here, who's the politician, who's the big man on campus, and you can make an assumption, but can you ever prove that in a court of law? not unless you have somebody who's written it down in an e-mail saying, look, i'm afraid to go after this guy, the state legislature might come after me, you're not going to be able to prove that. >> okay. and, wendy, teens are becoming adults very quickly. as time goes on we say, my gosh, these kids grow up -- >> no, they're not, they're engaging in adult -- they're not ready for. there's a deference. >> yeah. go on. >> well, you know, in the
earlier segment when we were talking about the young girl who tragically committed suicide and was fighting online with another girl over a boy, these were 12-year-olds and 13-year-olds, the boy we had him on the dr. drew show the other night, he just turned 13, he was oblivious to it all, he didn't realize it was going on with the girls. i think we're pushing adolescents faster and faster because of the highly sexualized media and the access to inappropriate material starts to make them think that they're ready, because their bodies are ready, but their minds are not ready. they're not emotionally mature enough. >> holly, you said something very interesting to me in the break. you said that the laws have not caught up with the technology, what's terroristic threats and imminent threat. >> absolutely. the legislature needs to catch up with the technology, don, because 20 years ago we didn't have to legislate something called cyberbullying.
bu bullying was on the playground and one kid called another kid a name and you got into a fistfight over it and that was bullying. and now what our kids are exp e exposed is 24 hours a day and there's the anonymity of twitter and uf feel free to get on there and say the most hateful and vile things that youdon't have the guts to say to someone's face and it's even when they go home, 24 hours a day. >> i was going to say that and maybe parenting hasn't caught up with it either because it's a new technology. thank you, thank you, both. wendy, i'll see you lat on. this is very interesting. you need to watch this tonight, and we'll have more on cnn at 8:00, cnn 8:00 eastern, it's a special and we'll have the story of the convicted murderers set free because of forged document and the utah doctor accused of murdering his wife in the bathtub, that will be tonight,
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republican senator ted cruz is talking about the government shutdown and he is criticizing his own party. as you know he led the charge to pursue the shutdown in an effort to defund obama care and in a speech today to a women's group in his ohm state of texas he said they should have supported house republicans who voted for the shutdown instead he said they abandoned members of their own party. >> the house republicans marched into battle courageously and the senate republicans should have come in like the cavalry to support them.
unfortunately, a significant chunk of senate republicans instead came like the air force and began bombing the house republicans, our own troops. >> so, cruz didn't stop there. in his words, you can't win a fight when your cannons are pointed at your own guys. well, ted cruz talks to cnn's dana bash. you'll see the full interview tomorrow on "state of the union" 9:00 a.m. and at noon both eastern times. arizona senator john mccain is also on the show. don't want to miss that. that's going to be very interesting to watch. new today cnn confirms jpmorgan chase has tentatively reached a $13 billion deal with the justice department to resolve several investigations of its mortgage business. a u.s. official tells cnn the deal provides that jpmorgan chase would pay $9 billion in fines and penalties, plus $4 billion in consumer relief that includes loan modifications. apparently workers and officials
could face charges in the future. it does not include a nonprosecution agreement that the company had pursued and pushed for, pushed hard to include. cnn justice reporter evan perez tracking this story for us in washington and he joins us now by phone. evan, hello to you. what does this mean to you and me and every other regular person out there watching? >> well, hi, don. well, this is -- you know, this has been a big thing that's been hanging over jpmorgan chase. and the tentative settlement includes some money that could end up benefiting homeowners, especially underwater homeown s homeowners, whose mortgages might be eligible to be -- to be changed to perhaps, you know, get some benefit out of this $4 billion piece of this deal. the rest of it is going to go to the treasury department and perhaps will, you know, make up for some of the damage done by the shutdown that you were just talking about.
>> so, then, where does the money go? is this going to impact the markets, and on and on? >> well, yeah, the treasury department -- the treasury is going to get the big chunk of the money there. some of it is going to go towards helping to make up some of the losses that fannie mae and freddie mac took for buying some very poor loans from jpmorgan and some of the other companies that it owns. and some of it will, you know, had it's not clear whether any of it will get to investors. and like i said, some of the homeowners, some underwater homeowners might get better terms on their mortgages as part of this deal as well. >> okay, evan perez is our justice reporter joneg eer joim d.c., appreciate it. we've had close calls from asteroids but we've never tried to catch one. that soon could change. how nasa is trying to reel in one of the space rocks straight ahead.
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the biggest catch in the next few years might not happen on the baseball field. it could go down or up in space, however you want to say it. nasa has a way to reel an asteroid and put it around the moon. tom foreman shows how they plan to do it. >> reporter: amid the talk of an asteroid hitting the earth, nasa has a serious proposal. why not go into space to try to capture one to learn more about them. this is how they plan to do it. a powerful rocket would take off from earth and launch an asteroid detect vehicle that would shoot off into space. now, it wouldn't actually go beyond the stars. this does give a sense that it would go many, many hundreds of thousands of miles off into space, looking for a very small
target. the asteroids they are after is only about this big, as big as two or three pick-up trucks. it would be rotating slowly. it's a challenge because they have to stop it before they transport it. let me scale it down to size. as the redirect vehicle comes toward it, it will deploy a giant space bag. over a period of hours, ease it over the rotating asteroid and squeeze down on it to stop the rotation. then the whole thing will take off, plying back toward the earth, more importantly to the moon where it would go into rotation around the moon, 40,000 miles above the lunar surface. this way, scientists could travel out there to visit the asteroid and conduct experiments on it. why do this? it would cost billions and billions of dollars.
they say because it would give us very important knowledge about new deep space technology, solar energy, things we use all the time on earth. secondly, it would give us an idea of what to do if we had an asteroid coming toward earth. we would have handled one. we would find out what sort of minerals are contained inside the asteroids, whether or not it's something we could mine for purposes on earth or to be used in future exploration. bottom line they say, yes,itis expensive, but it's called exploration because you never know what you might find. >> sure don't. thanks, tom. appreciate it. as the budget crisis government shutdown has been going on, you heard the expression kick the can a lot. how far can we kick the can? oh! leave it to richard quest to get
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you will soon be able to tour the white house again, but it's still a tough ticket to get. all public tours of the executive residence were canceled back in march when the automatic budget cuts kicked in. the white house announced the tours will start up again in early november on a limited schedule. tickets for the public can take a long time to process and involves admitting a request through your representative in congress. get to it if you want to tour the white house. there's a phrase everyone is using in washington. it sums up the people of both parties. stop me if you have heard it before. >> this deal kicks the can down the road. >> we are kicking the can, but
better to kick the can than to stomp on the can. >> at the same time, we can't keep kicking the can down the road. >> kick the can down the road. >> we continue to kick it down the road -- >> it's hard not to be cynical when we have seen the can kicked down the road so many times. >> we continue to kick it down the road with effect to the american populous. >> that's talking points and hate them. we hate them. everyone is saying the same thing. the agreement that reopens the government really does kick the can down the road, so to speak, in a few months. >> it's a process that started a few months ago as richard shows us, literally. >> the latest series of can kicking began in the summer of 2011, when congress raised the debt ceiling, the u.s. lost its aaa and a super committee was formed to sort out the budget
problems. the can was kicked. in november of that year, the supercommittee failed to reach an agreement. through the decision back to congress, through not surprisingly, kicked the can. fast forward and the fiscal cliff crisis is upon us. congress still couldn't agree. sequestration came in and as for the deficit and debt ceiling -- down the road. and so we come to the budget crisis of the past few days where the u.s. came as close to default as it ever wants to. the debt ceiling was finally raised, the u.s. government was reopened, but, of course,