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distance and sell from the whole of the negotiations and so smith has the honor of assigning the german surrender. now, smith's place in history. truman said his contributions were up in measurable value. winston churchill, comradeship tested in more always found to be of the finest. churchill spoke more highly of him than he did any other
american. after smith's death, the new york times opinion, only president eisenhower and the late general of the army george t. marshall was has said to have matched the range and duration of service to military and civilian branches of the government. talking about marshall and eisenhower and smith. marshall said after the war he spoke of his admiration for the manner in which you have discharged your best responsibilities. he had carved out a place in the history of the great and terrible epic. well, of course that did not take place. not only did it not take place for smith, it hadn't for general marshall either. he had lost a great organizer, the greatest soldier of world war ii was lost in the popular
mind. the misfortune of being a chief of staff. final world, a very great soldier once assured me my place in history was secure in the all the requisite was the wisdom of selecting your chief of staff. no one was quite as wise or at least as fortunate as i was in this regard. finally, no single man in europe has contributed more to allied victory than smith. maybe he was worth that 25 years, and he might even be worth $40. down. [applause] >> what is the sum of the
equation of eisenhower-smith? >> that is a good question. the reason marshall send smith to a england in preparation for what was going on. initially marshall wanted the cross channel. a buildup, and a total fiasco. forty-two. nothing was happening because eisenhower simply wasn't cracking heads. now, smith was so valuable to general marshall that he did not want to surrender. weeks went by. months went by. marshall said, well, i just can't give up smith. what finally cut it was the decision was made, and it was very clear that if things did not happen and happen fast in terms of the logistical problems that it was not going to happen. immense consequences. and so the reason that martial
sentenced smith. that is a very good question. he could have failed miserably. maybe not. >> a recent book argues that when anville was commenced general bieber said at a clear shot to get into germany and eisenhower stopped him because he did not like him on a personal level. is there any truth to that? >> absolute truth that eisenhower contested. his record is extremely good. >> talking about command structure. his army grew. even though what was facing some of the same problems, the 12th
army group in france was experiencing. nonetheless, they were able to maintain momentum. the problem was by that time to problems. ammunition shortage. limning manpower, and continually what happens is that they moved forces to the third army. so he simply did not have the horses to do it. the fact that he got that far that quickly was a testament to his and the kind of staff and his supporting commanders. keep in mind, half of that. >> thank you very much.
>> this event was part of the annual association of u.s. army meeting. for more information visit a u.s. aid got org. >> coming up next book tv present after words, an hourlong program where we invite guest hosts to interview authors. this week michael reagan commemorate his father, ronald reagan on the 100th anniversary of his birth. in his latest book "new reagan revolution," he discusses the personality and policy of the 40th u.s. president and calls for a return to civility that michael reagan says his father was admired for. he talked about this new revolution with john alvon. >> host: good to meet you. beckham to c-span.
the new book coming out to celebrate the hundredth birthday of your father, ronald reagan. >> amazing. there is such an outpouring of affection and respect and. he has become a unifying figure in american politics, somebody who is clearly beloved by republicans, but that good will has aids tended it. >> host: one of those iconic president spirit a talk about alec baldwin. walking out of the gym with alec baldwin. i stopped. my name is mike reagan. jane wyman is my mother. he looks at me. well, i had two shots that you. maybe have to duck. he's my dad. my son cameron. somebody give it to his granddad. julien started rock, just wanted
to say, i want you to tell your family something. i was with some friends last night and i was telling them how much of mr. father. i said you missed my father? he disagreed with everything he stood for. he said, yes, i did, but i didn't realize what a great so your father had. he said this is so -- this world is missing that kids will. >> that is one of the great anecdotes'. it really does express the weather has been a reassessment. the partisanship fades and people remember the figure. a father figure. he did a -- adjust the nation's expectations. many kind things have been said by mr. obama about your father as a leader and president. one of the things you wrote in the book, given the fact that every republican holds him up as the standard bearer, the one piece of public ground. you write in the book, ronald
reagan could not win the republican nomination today. >> guest: i had this conversation with newt gingrich. they said, you know, it's interesting. the liberals seem to only knee that ideology to follow. conservatives are always looking for someone to lead them. if that person isn't there they break into factions. you get all these different factions all over the map. so what i say there is if ronald reagan is never present and throws his hat into the ring in 2008 or 2012, who would, in fact, attacking? all you could look at would be his gubernatorial years. the no-fault divorce. raise taxes. sign the abortion bill. my god, he was a union leader. you sit there and think about the ads that come out against him. anti-tax, raise taxes.
anti-abortion, abortion. pro marriage, you know, no-fault divorce. the attack on him would have come from the right, not the left. so i like to think you could overcome that, but that would have been the argument he would have had to try to get the nomination. >> what does that say to you about the current state of the republican party. indeed, you believe that -- you had a lot of harsh words for john mccain. he was not a real conservative. ronald reagan would have a hard time. what does that say to you about the current state of the it will weaken party? >> guest: well, the fact that both parties have these zero groups out there who are, the total story. itel and my book. politics is like an airplane. some people some of the right, some on the left. people who don't like it like out the left. people you need to wonder about and worry about of the ones that
meet under the plane. maybe those are flying the plane. if you will, and it makes it very, very tough with the discourse that in fact we are it. my father was never one to break into one issue of politics. it wasn't that way. when you don't have somebody to lead you have all of these people have a single issue. if you don't support their issue 100% the litmus test, they stay at home. you know, then what happens? is that really good? ronald reagan really looked at the process. if you could look at a football game. you have the super bowl coming up. if you look at that game, it's 100-yard field. 10 yards making that's not a bad way to score a touchdown. not always going to get the 100-yard pass, and there are too many groups who want a hundred yard pass. if it is not complete the want
to go home. >> host: i love both of those metaphors and think they're right. it gets to another point. one of the things, characteristics of your father's was this idea of a big test. even the big tin itself has become a controversial metaphor within the republican party today. what can be done to remind people of that wisdom, that reagan's wisdom as it applies to the current republican party? >> guest: the guy who says i love the seven commandments. >> host: exactly b-2 there were three more? i didn't pay attention. so many people quoting, but not really understanding who he was and what he was. if you will, reconstituting. that is what i try to do. really understand where he came from and where so many people that talk about what he would do. the book, as you know, is what he did. this is what he did when faced with the same issue you are
faced with today. this is what he did. that is important for people to see and to understand. he was a consensus builder, a coalition builder. he looked at areas of agreement. i talked about the book, one spot in the book where it really got me. i was doing talk radio. when michael jackson died. peking just went off the wall on talk radio, cnn and everything calling michael jackson every word of the planet because he was being honored. i thought to myself, my gosh, ronald reagan would be horrified by this because if you read what is over is gravesite, find the good in people. that is what made him who he was. everybody ran into, he found the good. that day as the president of the united states if you were to have said a word about michael jackson he would have found the
good things that michael jackson had accomplished in his life and raised those up on that day instead of calling people names. he never. >> host: and that has been lost. that bit of his wisdom. and you look at the current problem with republican leaders, 2012, everything will be saying that they are running in the mantle of robert -- ronald reagan. he did you think understands the totality of his vision to back. >> guest: i try not to because i almost do a disservice. and we do looking for ronald reagan. we weren't looking for ronald reagan when it ran like in showed up. what happened is by looking for ronald reagan we will never find the next guy because they are going to have up. now, they can all ." it's like, if you can put him more than i can, you get the nomination. at think about my father.
when he brought the san he spoke to us in parable's. >> host: a great point. >> guest: i got that from the:00, a dear friend for years. we talked about it. he talks in parables. today we have too many politicians speaking in sound bites ronald reagan. >> host: great distinction. >> guest: a guy who says, how do i get to the sound bite? and there is no meat. you get to the sound bite, and they hope it's of the 6:00 news and wonder why no one follows you. you gave them nothing to follow. ronald reagan gave you something to follow, and you understood it but you were pope john paul with the kid on the street, he treated equally and give you the same amount of time. i meet people all the time. if i would walk into a room you know what i remember? he reached out his hand and he
said this. used both hands. he did it because he really meant it. he didn't have to make it up. >> host: there was an authenticity no question that read and read and that is what alcohol and was getting too. the quality of the soul. but one of the interesting things, and he did refer to it, reagan was even at think we for its controversial, not just in a partisan way, but was deeply disliked by the left. i came across like this. he sounded like winston churchill but acts like neville chamberlain, from a conservative republican leader. this is my favorite. sometimes i wonder how much of aragonite reagan really is. looking back on that now when you hear him get raised to this
level of a new state in the conservative movement and you remember the contemporary criticism, what likenesses that it passed in? what do you remember? >> guest: my father, going on today. politicians always feel that if somebody says something somewhere in the laureled about than they have got to respond. ronald reagan knew that you don't have to respond to everything. sometimes the best response is to not say anything. and, you know, with those quotes that you gave, conservatives who were not happy because he might have cut a deal with tip o'neill or he'll are there. he insisted if you want to get anything done him a that is the art of politics. you have to do it. >> host: not collaboration. >> guest: that's right. he believed that 80-20 rule. a lot of people today, conservative and liberal who don't believe in that 80-20
rule. >> host: restate that. >> guest: if you par with me 80% of the time, let's have dinner. rear going to get the. you know, with my dad. abortion and the conscience of the nation. that 1992 he supported his daughter for congress of the united states. the pro-left group could not understand how he could do that. only jack kemp showed up. all of the pro-life republicans stayed home. what did they get? jane harmon. now, how many times a week to the agree with her? dad used to that 80-20 rule, 80 percent of the time we are on the same page. 20% of the time we are not. i'm supporting my daughter
pro-choice. he caught hell, jack kemp caught hell, and she lost. >> host: you do not believe there should be a pro-life litmus test? >> guest: i don't think there should be a pro-choice on the other side. there really should not be. these did you in trouble. add to this a part in the book. i speak at pro life events all over the country. one of the things i ask when i go out is how many of you would have rather been a note -- aborted? so far 100% of the answers are, no, i'm very happy being alive. 69 percent of abortions again on young girls who profess to believe in god. catholic or protestant, 69 percent. that is a huge percentage. so then the question is, why? in my argument that i make in the book, they are more fearful of mom and dad than they are of the abortionists.
you ever get yourself pregnant and don't come home to this house and embarrass this family. i am a deacon, elder in the church with high standing in the community. yet you ever embarrassed his family. that daughter goes out and gets pregnant. rickie you think she's going to turn? the abortionist. when i go out and speak and give numbers to these people, that me ask you this. how many of you can "john three : 16. all of the hands go up. great. john so love does he sent his son to die for our sins. how many fathers in this room a willing to get on a cross for their own doctors sens. our daughters, and this will happen at the dinner table. like my father talked about. all goodness starts there. we will make our daughters more fearful of the abortionist and won't have to look to the government to solve a problem we may have just saw that home, which is what my father
believed. >> host: your father always said most change we will ever undertake is at the dinner table. >> guest: absolutely. >> host: you speak about your sister to rock the boat. it really helped bring her spirit alive. the diversity within the family, bought, the character that she was. at think it is probably instructive for people who appreciate that ronald reagan's daughter was not only pro-choice, but advocating for the equal rights amendment. disagree with her father, but that all happened within one family and did not make her less of a good republican. >> guest: oh, no. ronald reagan probably learned how to deal with congress just having dinner with his family. he had everything. it diaz, agnostic, christian, a catholic. he had it all done. liberal, conservative, moderate, all of these sitting at the same dinner table trying to figure out a way to get to the turkey at thanksgiving dinner. and maureen, she was the one in
1962 have access to her father, someday you will be president of the united states. he is, yeah, right. and not even riding, but you're going to be president. she was the one that pushed him to become a republican because she is the big first republican in the family. >> host: why did she joined the republican party ahead of your father? >> guest: i'm not really sure. she was so involved, but they both got and. the story you tell about equal rights is so funny. just driving him crazy. you know, here in new york when they did the whole thing. my dad's announcement, we got off this midnight flight, land here. all of the skies are coming up. marine did not like something, the fact of the way that you were treated. how're you doing?
fine. is everything all right? alex chino. will we see you tonight? yes. well, how will we know if you are fine. i brought two pairs of shoes. one makes me taller than your candid and the other makes me shorter. you'll know if i've been treated right today. then during the campaign she has these equal rights amendment, era. the campaign when gnats. no, my gosh. get really close. but there was great worry about her equal right side, if it was going to turn off conservatives across the country. and so ultimately he becomes president of the united states, but there is a deal. the deal is. >> host: this is a great story. >> guest: if you will lose the equal rights amendment buttons, i'll make the first appointment to the supreme court a woman.
maureen and my dad made the deal. she loses the era buttons. the first appointment is sandra day o'connor. >> host: has the story ben wadley told? >> guest: i'd never heard it. >> host: so that was the result of lead handshake deal made between your sister and your dad about dropping an era but during a presidential campaign. >> guest: unless she reads the book and here is this she would never know. >> host: that will come as quite that -- i thought she was a great supreme court justice, so it all worked out. was your sister involved in the selection? >> guest: not at all. >> host: but they knew. >> guest: the first nominee to the supreme court will be a woman. that was the deal. >> host: that is a remarkable piece of history. there are a lot of wonderful moments where the curtain comes back and people forget at the end of the day it is people in the room in june that provided
-- presided over a very diverse family. we whitewash things in history. your father sometimes get white washed a bit when you hear people oversimplify reagan with a family, what cautions, does that make you want to hit the brake pedal? he is more interesting in the first -- full diversity. >> guest: here is a man, i grew up in all watching. he wrote all the speeches. people say, who writes their speeches to back a remember walking him into the bedroom, backed left hand corner, right hand corner to me. his desk. pull up the right and tore. rubber bands around them. you know, those were his speeches. he would reach in there. no, this one. you know how he used to have fun? shuffle the deck. think about a guy who writes a
speech, gives it so many times just to make it interesting that he shuffles the debt. now i'm going to give the speech. it was amazing just to sit and watch him. and he was such a reader. and a good friend of mine, a tummy was a jones -- writer. he used to say when they go out and speaks, readers are leaders. ronald reagan was probably the last great leader that we really had because he really read about history and understood it. now, of course, people read his writings and all of these other things. he was pretty diverse and a smart guy. >> host: a pretty good book. we talk about the diversity of this family. you have to mention, your brother has a book coming out. one of the things that the media picked up and we all know, their is a conflict bias in the media. you heard him say that perhaps your father had early onset
alzheimer's. and you treat it, i believe, a response that made waves in itself because it was very confrontational. it said ron to my brother, was an embarrassment to his father when he was alive. today he became an embarrassment to his mother. those are harsh words from a genial guy. what is going on? >> guest: i get upset when i see my father, things we had said about my father that just aren't true. to come from ron who at one time stated, i'll never write a book, and to just put this into a book, i had listened to people, bill marr, be one of them, and others. try to tell their audiences that he had alzheimer's and that is why he did the things he did. he was not engaged. he was stupid. this angered me so much so that
i told bill marr, i'm never doing your show and not going to put anybody on my show that does your show. it offends me so much to hear you say these things. and now for one of the suns to come out and in full load, he got an inkling that this was going on when there was no evidence. i am the chairman. i voted for art like weather. i have been on the board for years. if you have an inkling something is going on with your father you should talk to your mother. he certainly could have called me or talk to anybody who was in the white house at the time instead of just putting it out there. there are a lot of people who would use that to discredit your father's administration. and so what really made me very angry, he, in fact, would say and do that. he may have a great book, and it probably is.
he has a great heart, but what happens is, like a piece of legislation in washington. all of a sudden you dump this in there with nothing to back it up , it was just wrong for and to do. yes. i just got on a plan and heard that. wow. you know, my father was not really that happy with his political side, but, you know, he'd try to negotiate and debate with ron of little bit during the eight years in presidency. you know what my father was really concerned about as he reached over the dinner table one that? we were talking about religion and politics. my dad would be sitting at this seat and nancy at the seat. my dad lanes over and he grabs my hand. he says, michael, my wish is that ron would become a christian like you and i. that is what he was concerned about. i told that story in the book
and one when i'm in africa staying at the safari club. a man comes up to me and says, well, i want to say hello. you have been here before. yes. you are mr. reagan. yes. you're a christian, aren't you? yes. i've seen you on tv. i'm looking around. okay. he says, i've seen you on tv. and he is an atheist. , your brother. yes, he is. i've seen him on larry king show. do you talk to him? not that often. next time you be talking, you tell him there is a warrior that praise for him every single day. i felt about this big as a christian. i didn't. it reminded me that i should be, just like the other story i'd tell in the book about our pastor at church who said to the congregation one morning, how
many of you here in the room pray for bill clinton? three and still up. how many of you pray for george bush? everybody can still up. he said this to remind us had we been praying for bill clinton like we should have been maybe monica let's he never would have made it to the oval office. >> host: you race to great points. first of all, just to go back. do you regret the personal and public nature of that? >> guest: i do. yep. i really, really do. that was of bad -- it was a bad reaction. i said it because it made me angry. dealing with this disease, as i do and don't give it to my dad earlier than when he really had it. >> host: you tell the story about going to pray for bill clinton and everyone from bush to read to you believe, you know, the current political
environment so polarized, a lot of anger directed at barack obama in particular. do you ever pray for barack obama? >> guest: i really do. it's interesting. i might have written this in the book. you know, i like the fact. i disagree with is politics. i like the fact that he still did his wife. i do like that. when you look at a community in the world we live in today, 40 million children would go to bed in fatherless homes. that is a huge amount of children going to bed. 516,000 children in foster care in america. 100,000 available for adoption, 70 percent of those wind up on the street or in jail. children being born out of wedlock in the black community second to none, the white community, hispanic community, you have a black president who is dating his wife, loving his
children and giving time to the family. if i was an adviser to barack obama and he wanted to bring a country together, that is a great issue to bring the country gather. it is a wonderful issue for him, and i believe how winning issue for him. "winning issue. it is a good thing. sp one you don't believe anyone should be demonizing the president of the united states? >> guest: you can enjoy the debate on so many different levels, but to really make it personal there are a lot of people to do. there are all kinds of on the internet, crazy things. people raising money. people who would have this whole thing with barack obama, was he born in america or kenya? that whole thing, those people are making a million dollars a
year. a million dollars being sent to these people. what are you thinking? >> guest: you mention something to that effect in the book, and at like to bring it up. you say, beware of individuals or organizations at the kook fringe of the conservative movement to take advantage of good hearted trusting people and lawrie about the direction their country is going. they just want your e-mail address and credit card number. you think that those folks are part of that? >> guest: you have these other web sites that i've mentioned. impi to obama. think of it in common sense terms. i mean, it's just not going to happen. all of these people i just raising money for themselves and spending money on themselves. if you want to get involved, involved in something real. but to get involved in these things like these people are really going to increase the president where they're really going to get to the bottom, you
really think that barack obama is going to be sent out of office and thrown somewhere? it is not going to happen. and so you have these fringe organizations, but they're making millions of dollars. >> host: a lot of calls recently which overdue for civility in our politics. with the comeback to the speech in which he has a great line, one thing about our democratic friends. he took care to say our democratic friends. he never called jimmy carter a communist. that civility, did your father ever advance the cause of civility? >> guest: my father give a talk. >> host: very personal disagreements, but always with a smile. >> guest: when you make things personal you accomish nothing. you have to agree, the example i
give in the book on personal. rear staying at the dinner table. maureen and myself and nancy. this was 1960's. running against nixon. my father is telling us, hey, do you know that the republican national committee has photographs of john a. kennedy going into a hotel rooms and out of hotel rooms with women other than his wife? she popped up and said, is mixing going to use that? and dad said, no, and he really shouldn't. he is not running for husband of the year, but for the but the president of the united states. there are a lot of that has been to our great leaders. it is up to him and his wife to settle that, not up to us to break into their marriage, and we should not do that. today can be the first thing you would see. like i told people who are thinking of running, what is it that you are most embarrassed
about in your life? whenever it is, it will be on the front page of a newspaper the day he announced. that is what is sad about politics. and so your personal life is even more important than anything else you have done in your life, and it is kind of scary that way. >> host: do you think your father would have gotten into politics today? >> guest: you know, everything has its time, but flat out in the book, would he gotten into politics? what he really have got to have the into politics had been for bobby kennedy? my dad has a hit television show, top-10 every sunday night, general a electric theater doing quite well. what's great about is it is that she made sure reversing in front of the tv. 9:00 sunday night to watch it. >> host: boost the ratings.
>> guest: sitting with that, i lost my job. >> host: what happened? >> guest: bobby kennedy caused general electric. you know, your government contracts are up for renewal. you what your government contracts to be renewed you need to get rid of the host. not about 72 hours, not long after that they canceled. now, if he stays on the air is stays on the air right past the goldwater campaign. the time. >> host: everything works out speech time you look at that. bobby kennedy, you have to think bobby kennedy. one phone call changed the world. ronald reagan had to find that new job right into politics, and the rest is history. >> host: it all worked out. one of the things that i'm struck by in your father's career, he comes from hollywood and presumably when he was an actor he and nancy and her
mother had friends who were gay and lesbian. it and i think that is an important piece of history that gets washed. and he campaigned against prop. six. the movie about harvey milk had a clip and a reference to your father campaigning against this proposition that would have taken gays and lesbians have a public schools. that seemed to be a very courageous move forefather to stand up against many social conservatives and religious conservatives. i wonder what lesson the current republican party should take from that of your father's stance, in particular a debate going on in february. sea-tac is contravening. one of 50 co-sponsors. that has caused such a raffle. the heritage foundation has pulled out of support for cpa see this year, an organization
your father helped build. the conservative bedrock organization and the image of ronald reagan. given that controversy and your father's campaigning against prop. six, what lessons to you think the conservative movement should take from ronald reagan when it comes to a more inclusive attitude? >> guest: you bring up a good point. did two movies together. i knew rock. all of them. you know, what is amazing to me, the community i live in, the conservative community is surprised that there have been gays in the of public and party who have been major fund-raisers and advisers to campaigns forever, i mean forever. they have been a great help to the party. and, so, i think my dad
certainly would take a stand against marriage, but would not take the stand, you know, and this is an area where i live, i look at the adoption. i told you earlier 516,000 children in foster care. if every church in america adopted one child would be no need for foster care if you take a child who has been put in foster care who will go through ten, 12, 15 homes in their lifetime before they age out and then you wonder why they are angry. you walk into that, you have a chance to leave today. this nice couple who wants to adopt. rosie o'donnell and her significant other, or you can stay here with us. that child is going to say, give me that rosie o'donnell. i think those people for adopting children. i think too often we get into this whole thing of, oh, mike it
this. that child, there is no study on the planet that is going to tell you that child is not better off in a family that it is in the foster -- foster care system. so where i sit there and disagree on the merits site i certainly say, wait a minute. there is a whole lot of area in there where we say no, and by saying no we take children and say we would rather have them in jail or on the streets of america. at think we need to learn, how can we have a big tent and have people coming in fact, it it. that is what we really, truly need to do. >> host: every child should have a loving home. >> guest: it is absolutely true. when you think about the numbers of foster kids, numbers of them. we did a couple of events this last year. michael or from the blind side.
that family should be uplifted. people go and think that's wonderful. the thing is, you need to be doing that also. but we are doing is challenging churches and saying, hey, adopt a child. we went to a mega church in taxes. if you all don't want gays to adopt, fill the void and adopt a child. don't have them available. we went to this church in time the texas and challenged them. they put together and help 100. a few months ago there were at 106 children that have been adopted. just phenomenal. >> host: one of the things in recent days as your book is come out that has caused some controversy, martin luther king. but it got attention. read in its totality that we don't often write our headlines. ronald reagan was a far better friend to black americans that barack obama has been.
>> guest: did you anticipate that would be controversial? >> guest: absolutely. sometimes you write articles justice he what will happen. the point is when he went into he went into the unemployment from 19%. forget. it is now a 60%. he took the middle class blacks. they moved up. the black community grew by leaps and bounds in his administration. he was not a man, he was colorblind. here is a man who went to school. the last living member of his graduation class just turned 100 last year. >> host: happy birthday.
>> guest: he saw that a black woman, more than one, went to school with ronald reagan he was absolutely amazed. he was raised in that timeframe when in schools in the communist world there were made to read uncle tom's cabin. they are thinking, my gosh. america is all like this. he finds out that ronald reagan's two best friends are black and played on the football team. when they couldn't stay in town 15 miles away from the house and mack was going to put them on the bus ride that drives them back, welcome some into the household and spent the night to make up the next day and drove 15 miles back to play football. he cared about america. martin luther king. my father said, he freed the right -- white man. absolutely true.
that is the statement by father make. abraham lincoln freeing the slaves. but to let the king frank a black man. you have are all reagan speaking of his life about freedom. martin detecting and ronald reagan. one freed white man. the whole thing with black america. >> host: why then did your father not support the civil rights act? >> guest: you know, i really wish i could answer that. the civil rights act at the time in the 1960's, the republican party was the one that forced that to be passed. i wish i could answer that. >> host: you never asked? >> guest: never asked. >> host: it does seem like a contradiction in retrospect. >> guest: on his christmas
vacation president obama was reading a biography of ronald reagan. >> host: a white book. he chose wisely. >> guest: there you go. what do you think he just that book? what do you hope he lands from it going forward to back. >> guest: interesting because you get to the archives, more democrats in the study of ronald reagan and republicans. republicans "him, but democrats study have. if you listen to barack obama speeches and bill clinton speeches you hear a lot of reagan asked terms. you say, gosh, it would be nice if the republicans could pick those up. it is not stupid to pick up a book, probably the best biographer. he can the full spectrum. he started over here. please. all the way through the system
to just a great, great guy. it was good to be able to see that. it is wise for presidents or others to study those that went before them, read about them, learn them. a great, great reader of those who went before him. he was in all when he walked into that white house. of those who went before. to keep that aura of respectability. he learned a lot from others. >> host: in that spirit of civility, reaching out and talking about, you know, the to a credit friends. who were some that you think that americans that you look to and say, that is someone who deserves a kind word. >> guest: it is interesting. he just announced his retirement. his retirement in washington.
it is interesting. the old guys, hubert humphrey's. where are those guys today? where are the tip o'neill's today? where are those people? they were tremendous. it has gotten so embattled in washington. and i said this just the other day. washington is starting to sound like a regular talk show. it doesn't do well. it doesn't play well. talk radio is good for talk radio, but washington needs to be what washington does, the laws, the debate and what have you. washington, when starts sounding like talk radio or television or whenever, you don't get much handling and you don't really get to see the person and admire the person and what he is truly trying to do. everyone is trying to make their
point. speak in sound bites. you don't get to hear the person because it is all sound bites. where is the depth of these people? >> host: he spent much of your life working in talk radio. people will say something to draw up ratings. do you feel like there is a growing group of political figures playing politics by talk-radio rules? note thing as too extreme. >> guest: oh, yeah. that's absolutely does not. now, you need to get expand. if you want to be elected he to be bigger than talk radio and fox and expand outside of all those things. if you want to reach the reagan democrats, there are out there. that is what you're going to have to do.
get on talk radio or what have you. it is like right now the big debate going on with the debt limit. you are in a position to really negotiate and get spending cuts down. ronald reagan would have used this as a gray area to negotiate the spending cuts and get those spending cuts and. raising of the debt ceiling. instead of saying, if you raise the debt ceiling, that it, we are out of here. we are going home. that is not the way washington works. >> host: it's not all are nothing. one of the lines you have your book, the talk about the influence of talk radio. the point that, maybe political leaders without responsibility. win back is not running for president, running to the bank. rush limbaugh is running to the bank. talk more about that. >> guest: here is the book. that is the only plenty pulled
out on. put that in context. the context is the fact that right el there are no leaders, there is not a leader of the conservative movement. there is no leader of the republicans. so you have people who are looking for that leader. what happens is they listen to rush, sean, a gland. they listen to talk radio. that is the voice because they have no other voice. my thought, what process was, don't look to them to run for office because the reality of it is if everybody listens to rush and voted for him he would still lose by 40 or 50 million votes because you have this whole other group. still likened. he understands as he puts on a show. they are running, but they're running to the bank. the need to find someone who is running for office and get behind that person that is running for office and supported.
another thing, we seem to have this tendency, who is running for governor, president. what about, you know, schools? mares? supervisors to back the democrats have been so smart over the years because they said have your president, have your governor. we're going to own every city and state across this country. look at california. a republican governor. that did well because every other position in government in california is owned by the democratic party. of the governor could do was veto the bill where sign the bill. what happens is everybody blames him. the reality of it is, a light new leaders at the state level. build the party this way. that is what ronald reagan believed. he helped people in the local community electing mayors and local members of congress so
that when he went out in 1980 he already had it put together. >> host: building the party new to politics. at think that sums up what your father did. >> guest: : pal. you don't kick him out of the party. why in the world what made you vote for barack obama? something must have had you posted that direction. the fact is cue was used. if you were used like he was in front of the united nations to get a war going you would be a little ticked off. he wouldn't say, i'm beholden to those people. i don't see what we can do to change to make sure you are in the tent. i make the point in my book. my dad never, ever, ever got involved. you get involved in the primary and 50 percent of the people are just not going to like you. i thought to myself, he loved
pole and poll of ten. my father was ever, ever going to endorse in a primary the only man i know that he ever would have would have been held. >> host: and yet when he thought about running he came under fire from the right. >> guest: absolutely. he did not tell of a line. he was not pro right. but what happens is sometimes we don't look at the death of a person. i mean, look what he is doing when no one is looking? liquid he is doing for young kids in the inner city, he and others in washington d.c. and other places. convicted. he is not living off a. this man is using his celebrity, but not patting himself on the back. the great thing, it was never about eye, it was about we, what can we do together, and they're telling you can get it credit.
but neither one of them packed themselves on the back. they don't go, look what i did. my dad did many things quietly. >> host: sure. >> guest: the message you are saying, there have been a lot of rhino hunting, republicans in name only. and often it is done in the name of your father. but what you are saying, if i'm hearing you correctly, the republican party should be reaching out locally and nationally, even to figures that don't fit the litmus test on social issues like powell. that is actually more consistent with your father's beliefs and the identity. >> guest: i said this to somebody who came up to me one day. somebody who worked for meg whitman. i can't look for your candid because she is pro-choice. i looked up and said, the you think that is the problem in
california? we are over 12 percent unemployment, in the tank and the issue is jobs, unemployment? we want somebody who is going to bring those jobs back. that is the issue. we get caught up in the social issue. i'm not going to vote for you. what do we have? jerry brown for the third time in the state of california. that was a better deal. and that's going to vote for you because you are pro-choice that works out well. and sometimes you just shake your head at these things that absolutely go on. at think we need to stand back and look at ourselves. what are we doing to ourselves to purge people who may be great? is a -- firestone vineyards, whenever my father had a fund-raiser, if he was running for president of the united
states. you put on a fire. they would always just whatever you need it, a fund-raiser to raise money, all of these things. then one day, i want to run for office. we can't support you. you would agree with us and everything we want come on. what is the deal here. we want to use you and then we want to throw you out. you know, throwing out is not going to get the party going. we won the last election because we were able to demonize harry reid, nancy pelosi, and barack obama. was not too hard to do. if you want to win the presidency, you have got to lead. this is what i'm going to do. barack obama will bring us another ronald reagan. we had ronald reagan did jimmy carter. he was there. where is he t