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so, i'm going to read a little bit about them and get that out of the way just in case there are books that you do not know about, you are about to find out. rebecca solnit is a writer, historian, activist and author of 16 boxin 16 bucks in landsca, community, art, politics, hope and memory including the best-selling hope in the dark the faraway nearby, the fuel died to getting lost, a history of walking and river of shadows, the technological wild west which she received an award in the land of literary award a product of the california public education system from kindergarten -- [applause] she's a contributing editor to

harper's and as you probably know, the mother of all questions is a new collection of feminist essays. joining rebecca as i said is jusjeff. i should mention we have not also the, but we have a bunch of books in the back. organized by a bookstore in san francisco and we would be happy to sell you books tonight. so, jeff has written extensively on politics and the art and his second book was released in paperback recently under the title who we be post-civil rights in america. he did color lines and served as the executive director for diversity at stanford university. he's been a fellow in literature and winner of the news prize and was named by one of 50

visionaries changing the world and in 2016 named as one of the 100 list of those shaping the future of american culture. would you mind helping me welcome to the stage. [applause] [cheering] [applause] i didn't want to spell it. i think david was laughing at me for pulling books out of my bag. good evening. thank you so much to the

booksmith staff, wonderful staff, to the hillside club all of you for coming out tonight. i get the honor of asking you questions today. but i'm not going to wrap tonight. shall we start? >> the last time we got to talk coming you hav had just gone baf i remember from standing rock. >> wasn't that long ago? i went back in september with the same there was the center of the world and i wanted to see what was happening. it was amazing. i went when the weather was balmy. i have so much admiration for the people that stuck it out for the winter. it's one of those things. like the arab spring and black lives matter, nobody knew that it was coming.

i know we are supposed to talk about this book that we could talk about this one, too mac. just seeing so much about standing rock to kind of remedy and turned half of the millennium of the disposition and i think in meaningful ways it has done that in a lot of ways we don't know what it has done because it won't take decades to find out. but it was amazing being out there. >> also, if i remember correctly when you were coming back from north dakota, you were sitting next to a trumped supporter. >> this is what happens when you are from san francisco i've had two conversations with trump supporters. [laughter] nevada, new mexico i think there've been a few more. i don't know what you remember about both of them were voting

for me and who was completely fictitious it wasn't even the propaganda, it was their imaginary ideal. >> on the way back i sat next to the wheat and soybean farmer whose sons both had addiction problems which is how you know you are an american and the kind of agrarian. and this was right around -- he thought all the scandals were just sort of fabricated and he thought he was a much better man. he thought that trump was more like him than the evidence would suggest. every four years they organized this rather progressive coalition for the state of nevada to get out the vote.

it's my sacrifice on the altar of democracy to try to ward off the evil. i was in this bleak suburb 10 miles north doing get out the vote and some woman started badgering me because she was doing get out the vote for trump and i was trying to find out why. she had two things that she was committed to. she was convinced undocumented immigrants were preventing her friend only -- preventing her family from legal immigration as though the system were somehow tied to these people walked over from mexico so now you can't come, which is completely ridiculous. >> although there is a kind of beer relationship because in some ways, you could argue that undocumented folks or the government's approach to the undocumented folks is the reason

-- >> she was legal but she wanted her family to come and somehow claimed that people couldn't get visas or the paperwork to become legal immigrants. this idea and they are not even in the system. >> that is true because all of the resources have been moved away from the naturalization enforcement and that is something that happened seems the ronald reagan administration and the main issue is what they put out there on each country which for the most part they got rid of 196 1965 but it still lis the number of folks who can become legalized every year so if you are filipino or mexican it will take you 20 or 30 years to get to the head of the lines to speak.

so she is right in a weird way for the wrong reason. >> it was like a 5 million undocumented people disappeared, people would suddenly get immigration. another thing she told me is she believed about climate change and that trump was going to do all the right things and wasn't going to favor fossil fuel and bring back things like that. so it's like where do you get your information. can i just hang some door hangers and escape from you because she wanted to argue so those are my trump supporters except for all the men on facebook. there's variations on the theme. i don't want to sort of real

live n-november but i guess i wanted to ask sort of how you are feeling now. i used to joke that i wanted to open affairs for people that would tell me that there is no difference at wanted to readdress the question and i think that there are some significant differences and i kind of wonder for people in positions of high power because the first there's the argument he was listening straight. so everyone told me they didn't like hillary clinton because she hung out with rich and powerful people. he is rich and powerful people. so, i find nothing about what has happened surprising except the beauty and intensity and courage of the resistance.

i thought that it might be a little bit like life after 9/11 when people were intimidated and afraid to speak up and there was a kind of patriotic over the land that we don't have that right now. people are ferociously outspoken and that is what i didn't anticipate. >> it makes me think of the essay that you wrote in this book thinking about the sort of loud as of now which i want to get into but i also want to talk about sort of what that comes out of and this other is this short history of silence so i was wondering if you could talk first of all how you think of silence as opposed to quiet. >> the english language is full of synonyms and word that overlap and there is a good

sense of silence and retreat and in terms of not listening to traffic noises and stuff like that but there's also the act of being silenced which could stand for a huge amount of what feminism is trying to address and then there is literal, no women holding positions of power in congress and the supreme court in the legal system a woman's testimony about being discounted and things like that. but for the purpose of the removal from the laziness you could kind of use that as what it is trying to address when you know that it's the right to consent or not consent this

happened to you. that's the right to vote that we finally go got a 1920s most of s and had to fight for all over again in the south for men and women. but it was interesting and i set out to write about the ways that women are silenced and i realized that gender is a system of reciprocal silence. the men are silenced in different ways than women are and it requires different silences according to their categories. you have to look at the system as a whole and i think what is different about this book is that it's as much about men and children as it is about women but it's all feminism. >> can you talk about the ways in which women are silenced and the way that men are silenced and how they are different? thinking in particular i work at

stanford university and so the case of course seems to illustrate these different types of things but i'm curious if you can unpack what you think are the main differences and silences and how they are overcome in different ways and what that means. >> i think of it as all those things that they are not supposed to do and say and feel and like you i recount a conversation with my almost 5-year-old and his favorite colors were pink, purple and orange. i knew pink wasn't going to stay with us so i asked him why he didn't like pink anymore. he knew that it was girly and he couldn't like girl things and he's not yet five. and it's not coming from his parents. i know so many of you out there try to keep your sons from guns

and board games and stuff like that but its ambience, that stuff. parents don't succeed in doing it alone so then i went shopping for my not yet born godson in a clothing department and the gender ring of newborn clothing was kind of shocking. boys clothes it was like rocket ships and astronauts and cowboys and football players and dinosaurs and reptiles, all of this distant stuff and girls were all this passive kodaly intimate stuff, kitchens and pink and stuff like that. there's a sort of convention i think that there's a great deal of deadness. if you go to brock turner to be able to do something horrible to another person where any kind of

violence you have to kind of shuts down your capacity which is pretty innate and small children and a lot of us maintain him perfectly. i've written about it in other places and there's there is a y are weaponize as well. they are not tools of experiential. they are kind of weapons and the in the brock turner case for check these interesting wrinkles when the victim spoke up in court and became maybe the most well heard the victim after with that incredible letter she wrote but it turned the tables she was given a voice. although she appeared in perfectly because she never revealed her name and there was

still the need for protection from shame or further threats or the story following her. she had this extraordinary thing that just with justice diminished him into nothing in a very powerful way it was extraordinary and spoke with empathy to all of the victims of similar crimes and expressed a kind of greatness in her in a way by having that voice and that empathy and strength she hadn't been destroyed by an act was meant to dehumanize and destroy her. >> you wrote this violence against women is often against our voices and our stories is a refusal of voices. at the right to self-determination, participation, consent or dissent, to live and participate, to interpret and

mary. >> that is sort of what it means to be human. we can talk about physical rights and property rights and economic rights and things like that, but at the very core having a voice is what it means to be human. we can look at jim crow or for some reason talking about the riots in 1977 and different kinds of ways there is the disposition of native americans were genocide, the criminalization of homosexuality. there are innumerable ways people have been silenced, the disappearance of the disabled. but i think that it's been a project of arriving at voices and it's exciting. susan griffin is in the. [applause]

and a role model and friend of mine and she was part of this incredible thing that happened in the 70s. in the late 60s and the 70s they kept writing about silence. susan wrote to pornography into silence and kelly wrote to silences and i had a dozen works with that period and they were very clear what was at stake and it was the right to participate, the right to have a voice in to show up and not be silenced. >> there is a beautiful part of your buck that is a sort of meditation on the idea of walking where it's where you suddenly shift gears up and think about marching.

it's a powerful chapter and one i use him off with my students. i guess i was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about your journey into feminism. >> male violence is what made me a feminist and i grew up in a house full of it thinking while i had to do is escape. i escaped into than a move to a neighborhood that's home was safe and nothing else was. there was massive street harassment not just like a baby. some where the implication was the might get raped or murdered or tortured. where i lived in constant danger and what was outrageous for me and still is because young women are still facing it and i'm now past the age of harassment except for blurry eyed bombs in new york city.

it is a loss of basic freedom of the ability to move around and be a full participant, to be a member of society in public and it's hard to get people to treat it as a human rights civil rights issue. as a woman i was told i should disguise myself as a man, i should learn martial arts, never leave home alone, move to a white suburb, i should make lots of money and have a car, d. with be witha man at all times. there is the fact that it's a problem we need to solve other than that. we don't really tell victims of lynching what were you wearing. i think that it is a comparable kind of crime committed as a hate crime and there've been

great movements. these books explain incredible new ways of feminism that have been addressing male violence with the clarity of the refusal to cede ground and kind of collect in social media like we've never seen before but it's still hard to get a lot of people behind the idea that they have the ability to walk down the street without being threatened as a basic human right and one that in a great many places young women don't have. you don't feel safe anywhere. it's like an initiation ritual to tell you you don't have full rights, you are a target and billions of people may hate you and want to harm you for your gender alone you should think about this in the parking lot and the elevator and when you plan your vacations you should think about this on the campus.

it's deeply damaging. so that is what made me a feminist. >> there is beautiful dialect here on these questions. on the one hand, you are debunking the narratives and the myths that silence women and then on the other hand, there's the hope. there's a way thathere is a wayt of your writing is about the wonder of what happens when folks come together or when they are in the natural world which you see a lot of parallels between the ecosystems and the natural world and the building of movements so i was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about that.

it's never sounded more like a breakfast cereal. [laughter] it is a tough moment because i think a lot of us had a secret enlightenment narrative that we were gradually progress is in the prejudiced society and this evil action trouble but those waters a little. [laughter] i think it's important just a sort of footnote to remember he didn't win the majority of the people who voted. 55% of the electorate voted and less than half voted for him and in order to win we have to have massive voter disenfranchisement of people of color and i haven't seen anybody estimate the numbers but i'm guessing 15 million would probably be kind of a lowball number for how many people were prevented from voting and we have a problem with people the people that cant

don't. let's say 15 million people mostly people of color who were prevented from voting and then we need a voting rights moveme movement. i will get back to the main question. and then they don't need 3 million plus votes, its 8 million more. if we had fair elections to republicans with never win a national election that has taken massive corruption. it took the intervention, the mainstream media running for the private server they are all now using in the trump administration with some kind of a shocking thing. it took the russian intervention, it took trump himself getting treatment for being an associate of mobsters,

a lie here and a would-be rapist, incredible racist etc.. so back to the question, [inaudible] [laughter] these digressions are amazing. >> i have times on the radio where i'm like 700 words a long analongand then what was the qun again i know it's about the hope and change. the question is if it assigns and i think those people were there before and they have been there all along. i think we need to figure out what reinforces the racism and xenophobithe xenophobia and feae conservative politics are fear driven and scarcity driven. how do we tell the stories better and circulate them more broadly to reach beyond the

circles. but the trump election is bleak. if you look at the art of history i was born in the year that the berlin wall went up. when you look at the world of 1961 and women are so unequal there are no laws against sexual harassment and discrimination. it's not a concept it is by law and unequal relationship in which the husband essentially becomes the owner of the wife and they do not admit when him and then you can look at the status and see there is no language for the environment.

rachel carson is working on the silent spring. the way they think systemically as they don't exist yet. so in the past half century, we've undergone an extraordinary deeply antiauthoritarian revolution and even though we are seeing this kind of authoritarianism it is again what we have accomplished that it will never be 1961 and again i think in that these are global changes. i don't think homophobia will go away and discrimination may rise again that we will never have the broad consensus that there are very few people and we can just keep them completely invisible through oppression and criminalization. we will never not have that language for the environment and

the knowledge all things are connected and it's an opportunistic community with very little. but for me it is about the same ias not that everything is going to be fine which is optimism just like pessimism that everything is going to be horrible and there's nothing you can do about it which also increases. it is the same we don't know what will happen and it is the acceptance of the true uncertainty you can understand when you see the sudden emergence of things like standing rock and occupy black lives matter to bring up some of the extraordinary things just in this decade. so we may be able to play a role and it's worth trying and that is kind of my definition of hope and silence which is not necessarily the dictionary definition but the possibility and acceptance that's

interesting because we are at the time when people love their certainty more than they love possibility. and it's almost like a language puzzle where people don't know how to say maybe if were what if were we don't know that and i've seen people make crazy pronouncements like this will never happen, this will happen in three months and it's like what are you, god, the prophet? and it's like they don't know, like their language is a toy when it needs to be some kind of much more sophisticated methodology. >> you were hoping to get this out of the words of the left. >> they love their despair like they love their protectionism. >> i just love that image though the teddy bear of despair.

it's like alec baldwin's impression of donald trump. it's sort of like a security blanket. >> i wrote hope in the dark and went all over the road, all over the country for a few years after that and i met amazing people and overall the reception was pretty great, but i got a certain kind of grumpy person usuallusually middle-aged, middle-class, white who was really angry at me because of this mistaken theory i'm at mist berkeley so maybe this is worth saying being miserable is a form of solidarity. [laughter] starving people and people in war zones are not actually buried up in the comfort of people living in splendor in the ides usa are sulking over you know, they are organic arugula sandwiches.

but people thought they are really attached to their despair and acted like i was hardhearted for trying to take it away from them because it means i didn't love suffering people and it's like no, i just love ending suffering and i'm interested in being pragmatic and looking at what we can do. the privilege of wallowing it's just not in the revolution. [laughter] [applause] i think a lot of you out there knew that but also in those years i came up with a bunch of descriptions that despair is a black leather jacket everyone looks cool in and of despair is a pink dress nobody wants to wear. [laughter]

you say everything is going to hell and people are like that can't be right you are full of it but you say like i think something amazing might come out of this and people are like that's ridiculous. [laughter] dot one is just as likely as the other and there's a historical record celebrated long before i came along of extraordinary unforeseen things. the fall of the berlin wall and the breaking up of the east block from the kind of totalitarian sort of pseudo socialism. we live in an extraordinary period and we've been surprised over and over again the way same-sex marriage arrived is just amazing and that i think is being realistic, pragmatic and reasonable in that extraordinary things happen and we do not foresee them. despair had that confidence and i think it is bullsiht.

it's more about identity formation and doing useful work. it's a posture. >> can i throw a wrench into this and complicated a little bit with a quote from somebody named rebecca solnit. if i central mosque marginal to help me organize society so if it is essential to how we organize society how do we overcome it i guess is the question. >> i think there has been. when you look at the way people are empathizing with people like them when you look not only them but people are learning to bridge differences around gender and identity and orientation, nationality etc..

i was very hip to critique the photo books some of you remember growing up because i see all the gray hair out there, it was a universal humanism. i was repeating some postmodernists attacking it and buying and born in 1937 said you don't understand how fragmented we were after the war etc. and i think of other people have gotten out of their bunkers and empathized more and one of the remarkable things i've never written about adequately enoughh but that i mentioned in passings definitions of human nature we have inherited have been darwinist etc. and i just found out you were in economics major. >> that is true. >> there's this idea of national self-interest that we are all deeply selfish. writing my book actually most of

us in an emergency crisis reverts to a default setting we are all touristic and feel deeply connected and you see it emerging in a kind of psychology radical economic theory and a number of other fields. the definition of human nature, studies with small children etc. say we are inherent and then you look at capitalism, patriarchy, racism etc. to destroy and i think it is not profitable. it's like convincing people they need to drive but you could sell them a car if they walk everywhere the best you could sell them expensive shoes but it's not the same kind of mark market. misery and isolation makes us good consumers and there's a lot of things fear is important to the conservative marketing and

it's what local tv news used to run off of with all of the crime waves and things like that so there is an assault on them but that's been built in and the fact that a lot of people are a classic anyway not just in theory if there's an emergency but there's these two women in the economy is mike gibson or grandma or something who made me see that if you ask somebody what kind of a system we live in post with say a capitalist system but in relationship to your children and friends and maybe your church or group for the nonprofits you might volunteer for it is in ways we are functioning in a sort of non- opportunistic selfish economies and that is actually what holds the world together. capitalism is a failure propped up by anti-capitalism.

it creates poverty and then people try to run the free clinics to assuage that. it destroys the environment and by sierra club and everybody else comes out to try to protect from capitalism. so you see why do people donate to the sierra club if it doesn't serve the self-interest economics defines. it's actually kind of an idealism of 110 things to be better that may not benefit them directly and they may never see and i think that is a huge part of who we are and it's pragmatic and realistic and if you recognize and understand it and can harness it you can change the world and people have.

ella baker and all the people in the civil rights movement did. what's the reverend of north carolina reverend barber is doing that now. occupy was amazing like so many of these moments to see what a deep appetite people have for a meaningful life with deep connection and a capacity to care for the most vulnerable for a quality and inclusion at the o the collapse in response to 2001. >> takeback. [laughter] the question i had in this conversation that we have had in the democracy color podcast with

david, we were sort of talking about the politics of love and the notion that empathy could lead towards an enactment of the politics of love and you sort through this thing out which was amazing to me and it made me kind of stopped in my tracks. you said maybe it isn't fear that iis and fearthat is the opt i was actually listening to a country song and i didn't know that it was a thing actually i found out this past weekend. so there's this country song like willie nelson so there's this group called the flatlanders and they did this song that says something like it's all too clear the fearless love and the love lotusphere and

i just was like wow. it was amazing. >> i will have to dig that up. you went into hip-hop but after punk rock i kind of went into country, classical country the kind of hank williams with meryl haggard and stuff in the middle. but now as an exercise it is a good way to define things that we have these conventional love and hate things. my next column is about anger and i found it useful to say what is the opposite of baker and in some ways it is a curiosity because it is a profound kind of closed mindedness and it's by its enormous presence in the culture now it's so disruptive. it's a closing off of empathy like i hate you and i want to

cause you harm because i don't feefeelfeel what you feel an emy that really needs to appeal it for me it is like my boundaries are no longer here. figure beyond me like the profound compassion for all beings and kind of can take it all in and it's partly fear that makes it shut down in the bone of a way of the risk of getting hurt and kind of political circles being wrong and things like that. so, yes i think that is. being angry is miserable but it's also a kind of introspective misery. there is a great deal called citizen rage. so i'm interested in how do we

make it okay to feel like you need to hate and fear and i think that is exactly what the politics are about. the name i may have slightly mangled. a lot of people talk about all tourism and empathy. talking about the nature of change over your entire career and sort of kind of what we need to be pushing to words, one thing you have said is that we need to get past the idea that it's only about the regime change.

>> going back to what i was saying earlier it is deeply authoritarian police over citizens and parents over children, then over women it's been delegitimized. what we are talking about is not starting a revolution that feeding along the revolution that we are in the midst of an moving the office -- obstacles and joining the revolution which is powerful right now but whether it can win and how long is the question. i think we are seeing a bunch of scary conservatism regime in russia and eastern europe and the u.s. and the philippines

etc.. i don't know if this is world war four coming or if it is just a blip. but how do we feed the future to give it something to change into his part of the question. ..

>> >> but you laid groundwork for important act the keynote to be performed by somebody who was not born yet and that is so amazing there is no way you could say 1971 about it kid who would be borne 1983 in 2013 do this? so you look at these long-term changes and look

at the first real official act of disobedience is:d in southern africa with the racial caste system and a gandhi then goes to london to fight in the british african controlled territory but three days later date invade parliament with civil disobedience except that term had not bend extracted yet and he is so impressed by the suffragist in writing these women bangladeshis' essays about the women but they will win it is completely amazing so there is a sense then gone the of course, besets of models and

tactics and visions so i could go from this british woman in 1906 to john lewis opposing the airport in january 2017 and is secure oh is planting seeds who will harvest the fruit you don't know that have to plant the seed knowing that you don't know and that is an important part and you saw the five minute signing. >> i did not but i felt that. [laughter] >> that was only two 1/2 minutes ago. >> we have time for questions.

so with a? lightning round i will say a couple of names. >> virginia woolf. >> guess. [laughter] >> ; highlight henry david thoreau she modeled for me. to have no aesthetics or no pleasure but writing is the two separate camps in those both writers have a body of work whiff that civil

disobedience and is very insistent with anti-slavery. and then she writes against war and with the important informative feminists -- feminist tough. with this whole space for all of us but i will except the of the pigeonhole. in writing about the same things that i write about. smith the priestess of uncertainty if in doubt this type of experimental method.

in the future in is dark. but i want to resuscitate the word dark because it is pejorative. as a desert rat i love the shade. >> annette is the beginning of creation. thank that takes place if it is artistic. >> we have some really great questions. many activist call on the of laugh to be angry. now you relate to this call for outrage and anger?

>> i think anchor will eat your insights and then to be taken note i think that is a destructive force but outrages that indignation and day love justice for and those that carry out injustice. thinking about i would never

go for the protein are. [laughter] and then then to be a sustaining force. but then don't seem to give a damn. but this divide the hatred. >> that could beefier but -- be funnier but since ronald reagan and then to a suffering the outreach that

if he was the environmentalist i notice the people doing the work so outrageously a funny word and then hopefully and then fill in that question and then with the recent student protest when the students disrupted the parents that

the intellectual charge it it --- charles murphy. london writing the op-ed. so let are your thoughts about the protest? >> there is set huge debate on the left about violence. that we would not tell them what to do. so there was an interesting story. but they may need to edit this but they kept shouting

not today motherfucker laugh laugh. >> not to ever motherfucker. [applause] best. >> and then they began in 2000 it cannot be that far back. with the issue huge debate about diversity of tactics. in new is far to of the of weather underground but they did violence big and a blue stuff up as a ferocious and

then the people he knows are blown up. nobly really has made a convincing case for me to squabble with the police blighting garbage cans on fire or smashing windows. that does not give us a great benefit. and then to scamper off. four run those people to bear the brunt but with those circumstances and then

in his day complicated question and a firefighter breaks down the door to save the life the husband breaks the dishes to demonstrate he can also break her. and adam it objects can have a lot of different meanings. >> another fast around. >> she is so great she is like virginia woolf of hip-hop. >> that complex feminism. with the tremendous assistance of overwork to go where she will go.

to stick to that john brown. >>. >> but there is a very funny thing that happened. did find does somebody in your family doesn't know how to pronounce your name. and then with the few months after the birth of her daughter people with the to the conclusion when your the famous everybody over interprets that this was an explanation why her daughter was named blue and people

did not know this thing called a nonfiction. and then is like if you get a bounce out of it. day really think there are book buyers? [laughter] and i am trained as a fact checker. i ever journalist. so it was like innocuous fake news. so people make stuff up. and then to be there in 1989. and i kind of regret that.

and then it becomes the legend. [laughter] and then went to journalism school. >> with uh trump's proposed budget cuts for the endowment of the arts what does the future hold for arts and humanities? >> comparing it to a country like canada that has doubled the arts funding under the acute to auriol pipeline guy. [laughter] he is very handsome but the keeps building pipelines. that was instrumental.

that with that budget cutting it doesn't understand how we economies work. one of the things trump is doing to scare off the tourist economy is crashing dramatically like san francisco or new orleans or york issue seven closer but nobody told me. but the arts have a huge economic benefit. in then to protecting those in trump tower is a hate crime basically. and it benefits the country

with those automobile remissions. and then responded to how the world should be. sole '02 reinforce the zero white patriarchal old ways. but kohl will never be a useful fuel again. and i joke make america great means make america 1958 eagan. and that with all those blacks long and all those things that happen did not happen. so to destroy the economy

with the ideological fantasy what will we do with 10 percent more? then it goes back to where we throw our money at the military we will be safer. i that it was the white men with a guns. with plp of the epidemic. in the health crisis and climate change. is like those being crushed and possibly you.

it may aulard may not happen. >> and that any a was one of the first has become this symbolic thing which the way that obama is the image it does represent a diverse impressive integrated vision of'' cheers though this is like i don't give that like ted nugent? [laughter] >>. >> going to the entire night not speaking of the women's march. does it make sense.

>> from the way you're thinking of these questions questions, of the women's march those principles k. mount also bunch of things that climate change is not a feminist issue. >> waterways to imagine -- marginalize them. and then 4 million people show up. and will allow rest of the resistance re-read by women?

mr. mendez of feel like a restrictive category. intend the end that to talk about gender and race and everything else. and then to benefit from with that orientation that

they can take you off for you were separate antecedent sierra club did that for black lives matter and then black lives matter had declined a platform. so that you're suffering has nothing to do. that we would exclude them from full citizenship. in and put out what is so

funny apex and there was an inglorious steinem's memoir. live the politically correct person. with that hate generalizes. where late eight divide negative and love connects. practical and economic that you cannot deal with these and isolation.

but with those economic justice. the bad is part of the struggle. what is the importance of the pink cat? >> i hate being. [laughter] -- pink. that people should harvest their own salted it was the do-it-yourself. it is a like breast cancer or the of pussycat i never was a pink person i book

like purple or yellow. even black. somebody needed heard the of black pussycats like calvin. [applause]

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said in meg one of the things that the love about the alleged iris system will of books and wanted to be first in line is all but of panels with the offers your a novelist or writing about syria these are people who don't get to see each other so this moment of conversation that they say something that is just coming up with that that instant in the change of ideas for the moment the drive to abolish male and female. and later, rebecca -- on her book, the mother of all questions.