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thank you again. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> booktv is on twitter and facebook, and we want to hear from you. >> all right. good evening. it should hardly come as a surprise to anyone in this room that colleges and universities have come flashpoint for the most heated cultural or conflicts of the day. universities are now the sites
of our left-wing indoctrination of students and arctic violence against conserved speakers and students, administrators literally under siege from radicalized minority students demanding payback. students with you micro aggressions and retreating into segregated safe spaces. to some of our former institutions of higher learning which have generate into services militant irrationality and radicalism. how did it come to this? to answer the question you can do no better than to read david horowitz book the left and university volume eight of, and the latest addition to a series of collected conservative writings entitled "the black book of the american left: the collected conservative writings of david horowitz." this book contains nearly four dozen essays written for 1993 the 2010. it addresses what david horowitz describes one of the underappreciated tragedies of our time, the successful campaign of the left to subvert
the curricula of collegiate institutions and transform entire schools and departments into an doctrinal training centers for their social and political causes. this campaign arguably has done more to steer america towards the left goal of the literal translation of this country than any other strategy of cultural marxism. this book chronicles the campaign over most of the last course entry and his efforts to bring some political neutrality and intellectual integrity to college classrooms. you already know david horwitz is author too many books and articles to name, all of them essential reading for understanding the radical left and for waging war against it. among them are "new york times" bestsellers radical son, unholy alliance, and most recently big agenda, president trump's plan to save america. if you've heard me introducing before you know doctor mccall in the left most hated apostate because he knows them better than they know themselves and that makes him an existential
threat to them and invaluable to us. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the author of the left in the university and the founder of the horowitz freedom center, david horowitz. [applause] >> thank you, mark. thank you, everybody for coming. last week i was at university of houston in houston, where the week before they had held a national conference for students for justice in palestine. the university hosted students for justice in palestine, a creature of the terrorist organization hamas and is a hamas propaganda network. and i brought along a little clip to show you so you can share with me.
>> the founder of hamas said this, there is no place for jews among us and we have no future month the nation's of the world. we're headed to annihilation. to destroy the jewish state and to annihilate jews. the students -- [inaudible] was greeted by hamas. [shouting] >> seven minutes. [shouting] [shouting]
[shouting] >> that was seven minutes into my talk, and i'd sit at the outset of the top that what i was a radical at berkeley and columbia, the '60s, i always wanted to hear what the other side had to say because i felt i would make me a better radical. i would have the arguments. those days are gone. the greatest american tragedy of my lifetime is the destruction of our educational system by progressives, and that its conversion into an indoctrination and recruitment center for the ideological left. this book that i've written "the left in the universities" is the
sixth book that i've written about the universities, and this problem which has been 50 years in the making, and it has a special interest because it's, it really dispatches i warfront. it recounts its, what i wrote engaging in a battle to restore academic freedom to the university, to restore the modern research university to our, basically our liberal arts colleges, the principles of it. i based my campaign which was for an academic rights for students on the very famous academic freedom statement of the american association of university professors, which these days is run by stalinists
who are not happy with my proposals. i took their 1915 statement, which was really the statement that created the modern research university, basing it on scientific principles and scientific procedures. that is, you have a hypothesis and you confront it with counter opinions and you try to test it by edits. ..
>> what's actually happened over the last 60 years is that the political left -- and i suspect a lot of my generation of radicals -- stayed in the universities and pursued academic careers to avoid the draft and to avoid fighting communism which they sympathized with. and what they've done is they reverted the universities, the colleges -- obviously, not the physics departments and geology departments, but the citizen training aspects of the united states, all the social studies fields and the law and so forth. they've reverted them to their 19th century origins. in the 19th century, all of our
colleges were doctrinal institutions. they were religious institutions, harvard, yale. and what they were there for was to instill the doctrines of the particular denomination. because they were training ministers and priests and so forth. and that's what our universities have become today except that the religious doctrines that they teach and instill are the doctrines of marxism, identity politics which is cultural marxism which i'll explain shortly. and for those of you that are mystified that college students should want to -- it's not just, believe me, there's a whole faculty cohort behind these
pro-terrorist students and anti-democratic and anti-learning students. as i said when i was a radical -- and i considered myself a marxist revolutionary at the time -- i wanted to hear what our opponents were saying. i wanted to be able to answer them. and i was in school to learn how to do that. that's the way i perceived it. if you want to understand why there's this concerted effort to shut down the other side of the debate, it's because these religious institutions now are liberal arts colleges. and we're not dealing with a divergent opinion as one would in a democracy. they're dealing with a religious heresy. and what you do to heretics is you burn them at the stake if you have enough power to do that, or you just close them down as happened, for example, to charles murray and the
university of michigan and other conservatives. i mean, this is nothing personal. i don't take this at all personally. so what happened was with beginning in the 1970s the left saw the universities as instruments of their revolutionary designs. and so the first thing they did was begin a purge of conservatives there faculties by not hiring them, basically. so that today on most college campuses conservatives are as rare as unicorns. they then purged conservative books from their required reading lists. a normal, an average student can go through four years of a college in our country today, never encounter a conservative adult or read a book by a conservative who hasn't been dead for a hundred years. the next thing they did was to
purge conservative ideas from the curriculum. and they did that by inventing what they called studies, american studies, black studies, women's studies. these are all political fields. they're not scholarly fields, but they're about learning left-wing politics. you couldn't be a conservative and be a women's studies professor. because women's studies is not about the academic study of women, it's about training marxist feminists. it's about training students in the, you know, thoroughly discredited marxist idea that the environment determines everything. that we are socially constructed. and that's how you get this idea that gender is socially -- not just socially influenced, but socially constructed. if you go into the neuroscience department or into the biology
department, you learn that it's hard wired into the biological systems which is obvious to any normal human being who hasn't had their brain screwed up by leftist ideology. so the fields now are so constructed that a conservative really can hardly be part of them or could not be part -- there are no conservatives in women's studies departments. in fact, some of the founders of women's studies who actually believe they should be about the study of women have been purged and treated as enemies by these political radicals on our faculties. the next thing that they did was to prevent conservative discourse coming in from the outside. now, when you come to a campus
and you get treated like this, of course, the newspaper were there, their entire report was on the demonstration of anything that i said. so, you know, just basically the university was deaf to my presence which was the, is the purpose, the agenda of the left. but until about 2001, i was reminded of this by one of the chapters in my book, "the left and the university," is called ann coulter at cornell. and it's when ann was pelted with oranges, physically attacked when she was speaking. and if you think having an orange thrown at you at high speed isn't intimidating, it is the. i remembered that in 2001 i had conducted a campaign. i thought the idea of reparations for slavery paid 137 years after the fact from people
who were never slave owners to people who were never slaves was a bad idea and actually racist and that the in-- and had the indiscretion to say so. when i was invited to speak by college republicans at the university of california-berkeley, i asked the chancellor, i wrote the chancellor and said -- because i knew that netanyahu had been unable to speak in berkeley because of the threats of violation which they couldn't contain. so i asked him to introduce me or have somebody from his office introduce me just to protect the students. and what he did was he assigned 30 armed guards for my talk. when i had to go to the bathroom before i spoke, six guys in flak jackets preceded me into the bathroom and kicked open the stall doors. and i remember saying out loud,
this is an absolute disgrace this america. but when you have university officials like that, there's no way to stop it. you have to expel students who do things like these students did. or like they're doing now at reid college where they're demonstrating inside classrooms. they don't want aristotle taught because he was white. no. that university -- actually, i visited reid, and i thought it was a pretty good school, you know? it's a left-wing school, it's very traditional, and the students were all interested in discussing ideas with me, not attacking me political. but that, obviously, obviously has changed. so in 2001 what happened is people started to get physically attacked. and i had a bodyguard for that
berkeley event. and i have not been able to go to a college campus -- i mean, i've been physically attacked before that. i'm trying to think, because i'm a little lax about these things. i visited butler. i did not have a bodyguard when i was at butler, and i was attacked, they threw this chocolate cream pie in my face which isn't physically damaging, but there's a picture of me on the internet looking pretty pathetic. i was wearing a suit, and it was just boo by stuff. but i've been physically attacked where violence that would have hurt me was intended. and i could never finish a speech if there wasn't massive campus security. the campuses know they have a security problem. so when i spoke at the university of houstonen, there were about -- houston, there were about ten cops in uniform,
and there were two undercover cops in the audience. and that's why they marched out, because they knew now that they would be arrested if they did anything. but when you go to a campus and that's the atmosphere, it's not an intellectual discourse anymore. there's not going to be an exchange of ideas. and let me say i've been on 400 college campuses and only three times have i been invited by faculty. once by a dean who i got there, he hid from me because he was under assault from his own faculty. and the fact of the matter is that there is, i mean, i'm sure there are decent people on faculties across this country, but none of them has the courage to stand up for conservatives and invite them. the solution to the berkeley problem or for any of these problems is for the faculty to band together and invite a
conservative and lecture the students on campus to fight for the rights of free speech. there are no such people. that is a huge problem, and that is an indictment of the whole university system, college system. and that is part of the complete conversion of the university into a one-party system and a one-party state. and one of the books i wrote with jacob blackson is called "one-part classroom" because that's what it is, it's a one-party state. you get one point of view. now, one of the consequences of this is the lack of education of college graduates now. i had the figures here. the percentage of -- oh, i think
one-third of millennials think that george bush killed more people than josef stalin. [laughter] 25% of the students who actually know who lenin was, and that's a minority, think he was a great guy. you know, i could go on and on with these things. but, of course, this has affected our judiciary. you wonder why the media is such a disgrace these days? it's because of the way that people are educated. the communications departments are training grounds in marxism. i've been to the university -- you know, university of texas when i went there in austin, a professor of communications who is a bolshevik, she's a member
of the international socialists which is a bolshevik organization which is calling, has called for a dictatorship of the proletariat in america. inside the lecture hall where i was supposed the speak was leading chants exactly like the one you saw at the top of my talk here. and i was only able to continue because there was a vice chancellor who came. this was in the good old days. and said, you know, you'll be arrested if you continue this demonstration in here. and it took her a long time to stop. usually they come in and they say, these administrators, they don't say a word to me, but they'll say there's a safe room for people who are disturbed -- [laughter] distressed by what david horowitz has to say. and to show you how far gone it's gotten, a couple of weeks
ago i was in washington, d.c., and i called up the -- [inaudible] of higher education, told them i was coming. now, 15 years ago since i was a leading, i was probably the leading conservative critic of what was going on in the universities, they -- the chronicle actually allowed me to write a piece more them called "in defense of intellectual diversity," can which is in this volume, "the left and the university." so they invited me when they heard -- oh, and i was treated to a, i was featured, my profile on the front page of the chronicle also because i was such a prominent critic. so they invited me, and i told them that i had a new book which i would like them to review but, you know, i sent them a copy so they could look it over.
and they arranged the editor, scott smallwood who had treated me well, fairly -- i don't know be it was well, i don't remember exactly -- [laughter] but somewhat fairly, 15 years ago, he's the one who invited me. he didn't show up for the meeting, but they had ten editors and reporters, you know, shoot me questions for an hour. and then they asked me if i would come, you know, to a room and videotape an interview for ten minutes that they were going to put up right away on their web site. when i left, i got an e-mail that they're not going to put it up, no explanation. and there isn't a trace of my visit in the chronicle of higher education. and that is, you know, the intellectual journal. well, you can see there is no
dialogue. no dialogue left. so what is the religion that they teach? it's very or -- important. the religion, as you all already know, is identity politics which is really cultural marxism which i'll explain in a moment. marxism is a view of the world in which society is divided into warring classes. remember the communist manifesto, the history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of chat struggles -- class struggles. which is bunk, but that's what marxists believe. well, so what you have is two ideas here. there are actually three. the first is that people's class
is the determinant factor. and when the bolsheviks came into power, of course, they set out to eliminate classes. and by eliminate, it was at the point of a gun which is what they did. so, first of all, you erase the individual. our whole society is built on the idea of individual rights and individual accountability. but if you have a marxist view, it's about classes. this is classical marxism. it's marxism i grew up with. the second idea is that society is divided into oppressors and oppressed. so there's the ruling class and end then there was the working class. and the third idea is that there's a civil war between these classes, and it's a conflict that can only be resolved violently. now, if you think about it, this had a certain coherence, this idea.
and the idea was, of course, that private property which creates the classes is responsible for all of the social problems; wars, poverty, so forth. so if you have a revolution, the revolution was to take away the ownership of production from the ruling class and put everybody in one class. well, there's a certain coherence to that idea because you wind up after you've eliminated the bad oppressor class where everybody is an equal because nobody is an owner of property. this is a delusional idea, and it led to the deaths of 100 million people in the 20th century. very destructive. if you take away people's identity as individuals, individual merit, the american
idea is so much martin luther king's idea that we judge people by the content of their character. however, cultural marxism, identity politics is a hundred times worse, because it sees society as divided into races, ethnicities, genders, and it has this ridiculous -- the way they judge who's oppressed is who's marginal. so, i don't know, if you dress yourself up in a dress and have a moustache and, you know, put rabbit ears on your head, of course you're marginal. [laughter] just look around you. you're going to be marginal. now, that doesn't mean you're oppressed, it's just a fact. we've been marginal throughout
history. and persecuted, for that matter. but this is a very pernicious idea that society is divided into an oppressor group based on race or based on gender or based on sexual orientation, an oppressor group and an oppressed group. and, of course, the ideology is one of war. there's a -- i've discussed this before, but it hasn't been picked up by people, but it needs to be picked up by conservatives. people of color. now, people of color is not a group. it's not a group. it's not an identity of interest. just ask the rwandans.
you think the tutsis and the hutus have a common interest? do you think that pakistanis and indians have a common interest? they're at war with each other. and the example i've given is mexico where you have two ethnic groups, the descendants of the conquistadors who slaughtered the indigenous indians, oppressors, and the descendants of the in-- survivors of the indigenous indians, to oppressed. but when they cross the border into the united states, they're both people of color, therefore, oppressed. therefore, marginal, deserving special interests, special allowances. you don't look at what they actually do. they break the law, if they break the law. not suggesting that all mexican -- i mean, this is the left is so good at converting whatever you say into what you
didn't say. but it's to convert power on the so-called oppressed group and deprive to -- the oppressor groups. if you look at people of color, beheaders in syria, isis members, they're people of color, mugabe and these monsters in africa, dictators are people of color. everybody in the world is people of color except the bad, evil oppressors, white people. the biggest social problem we have in america is a rampant anti-white racism. people talk now -- democrats, people that you would think had brains talk about america as a white supremacist nation. it's idiotic. it's lunatic. yeah, there are some cue clucksers -- ku kluxers around.
what are they? 500 in charlottesville out of a nation of 330 million? the ku klux klan once had, what did they have, 11 senators and 75 congressmen. the white supremacists, the actual white supremacists, was a member of congress. there's some black supremacists in congress, i will tell you that. but what white supremacists? same thing with nazis, the neo-nazis. those can kids are -- those kids are, hitler youth is what they are. literally. an organization that wants to exterminate the jews and says so in so many words which i actually read more statements from hamas, but you just have to realize hamas' charter to know that external night of --
extermination of jews is their agenda. now, i could go on and on about this, but this is the greatest problem our country faces. why are we so divided? because everybody on the left, everybody who's a progressive is seeing everything in racial/gender terms. and lying about it. hillary ran a campaign on the idea that women are somehow oppressed in this country by men to the extent that there's a gender wage gap so that women actually earn 24 cents less on the dollar than men for the same work and the same experience and the same jobs. that's a big lie. and hillary knows it's a lie because she was around when the male-dominated congress in 1963, people, passed the equal pay for equal work act making it illegal to pay women less than men. and as i've said many times from
platforms like this, you can show in one sentence why it's a lie. and that is, if it were true, employers would fire all their male employees, hire women and increase their profits 20%. [laughter] it doesn't happen because it's a lie. and yet there's no -- where's the media? where are the referees? where are the sensible people in our public life pointing this out? they don't exist. and that's because of our corrupt, corrupted education -- destroyed educational system. the modern research university, that's where -- and i got my model of where i wanted the university to look like from having -- i went to columbia in the 1950s as a marxist. i was never harassed by my professors the way conservative kids are harassed these days.
i never knew the politics of my professors. if students in the class took one opinion, they took the opposite to teach us how to think. that was what a university should be. it was one of the great achievements of mankind really, the modern research university, that the left has destroyed. it doesn't exist. what's going on at schools like harvard and yale is disgraceful. and you can, i mean, it's all over youtube. you can see it. so is there a solution? well, there's two ways of looking at that question. sure. you know, my bill of rights was one attempt at a solution . they just observe the universities, you know, the
principles that they preached, everything would be fine. but they don't. they don't. there isn't ad morer in this country -- administrator in this country who has reached out to milo january knop lows or ann coulter or myself or any of the conservative speakers and attempted to reverse this. not one. so here's my proposal. and in doing the academic bill of rights, i eschewed any external forces being placed on the university. we passed a few resolutions supporting the idea of those principles, that there should be fairness, but no legislation and no wielding of political power. but the left has convinced me that appeals to reason are futile. my, the campaign i waged failed. so here's how i would fix it
today. there are 33 states where republicans control the state legislatures. the appropriations committee in both houses of the legislature in every one of these states controls the lifeline, the oxygen tubes for the presidents of these universities and the universities. no university project -- of course, in public, public institutions. 85% of our students go to public universities. all the chairmen of the appropriations -- all the chairman of the appropriations committee would have to do is call the president of the university and say you are constantly coming to me the fund, to underwrite, to make possible this for your university, that for your
university. and, of course, to advance your own careers because you are judged on what you can bring to the university. so i have three things that i want from you. and if i don't get them, i'm not going to answer your phone calls ever again. the first, i want you to provide me with the required reading lists for every one of your undergraduate courses in the liberal arts. and then i'm going to submit that to one of our conservative think tanks, and they're going to look it over to see if there are, is parity between the conservative books that you require and the conservative authors that you require students to read and the leftist ones. and, of course, there's no parity whatsoever because the conservative books barely exist. and i know this because i did a
book called "one-party classroom," as i mentioned, where i studied the reading lists of 170 courses. and i can tell you they are conservative book-free. and that doesn't even impose on the professor the respondent not to -- the responsibility not the ridicule the conservative ideas, but to present them so the students can weigh them. one of the complaints i had, i spoke at the new england, western new england law school, and the conservative students there, their complaint was every time the name antonin scalia or justice clarence thomas comes up, they make jokes about them. you know, that's a way of stopping people from weighing their ideas. you ridicule them. it's a very powerful weapon. and having submitted those lists to me, i want you -- i give you
a term to do this, the see that all the required readings for undergraduates, those lists, there's parity between the required conservative and left-wing texts. second thing i want you to do is to provide me with a list of all the speakers or who are invited to your campus and often paid exorbitant fees the if they're on the left. michael moore will get $50,000ing from a state school -- $50,000 from a state school during an election year. he ran the shackers tour. the supreme court -- the slackers tour. the supreme court has already said that means republicans have to get an exact amount of the same amount of money just to adhere to the constitution. of course, that isn't happening or hasn't happened. so i want a list of all the
speakers invited by your professors and by your student organizations. and i want, within the year i want absolute parity between republicans and dem the accurates, leftists -- democrats, leftists and conservatives. and the third thing i want is i want you, i will, again, i will have a committee look over your faculties. and i want you to begin an affirmative action program to diversify your faculties. you have a law faculty, and i can throw a dart at a board with universities named on it, and it didn't matter which one i hit. you have a law faculty with 50 or 100 law professors and maximum two or three are republicans or conservatives. you can't tell me that
republicans aren't lawyers. so i want you to begin a program to -- and i want a progress report every semester to see your progress on it. and then i will take your phone calls for your projects. now, will that happen? there's only one republican -- well, actually, there are two that i know who would do that. one's the president of the united states, and the other one is steve bannon. when i see other republicans with some spine, i'll think maybe something like this could happen. i want to close with the, by going back to the university of houstonen. this was a foundation, the
chairman of the board of american muslims for palestine which provides over $100,000 a year for the students for justice in palestine. and which is aha maas operation. -- a hamas operation. by the way, he's a faculty member at the university of berkeley, university of california-berkeley. and, of course, he's the head of the islamophobia studies program -- [laughter] which is a program to defame and libel and slander people like me and try to get people not to listen to us. and the entire agenda of students for justice in palestine is to spread genocide allies about -- genocidal lies about the state of israel. the state of israel doesn't occupy an inch, not an inch of
arab land. the land on which israel was created belonged to the turks for 400 years prior. the turks are not arabs, nor are they palestinians. there never was a country called pal -- palestine. it's a gee graphical term. the jews are the only indigenous people of the land around the jordan. palestine is a geographical area. it's like new england, new englanders. it didn't exist, the palestinian nationality or claim to a nationality until 1964, 16 years after the creation of the state of israel. you can have all kind of criticisms of the israeli government as you can of any government, but you can't be spreading general -- genocidal
lies that come right out of the hamas playbook calling israel an apartheid state. it's the only state in the middle east that isn't apartheid. and putting maps created by hamas which show a country called palestine exist anything 1947 -- existing in 1947. no such country ever existed. and then invaded by jews. these are nazis. they're nazis on our campuses. these kids are hitler youth, and they are supported by every university administration including the university of chicago which has been, people praise it because you can't believe a word that comes out of a university administrator's mouth these days. because it's the universities that tear down the posters that we put up pointing this out. it's the universities that provide offices for these hitler
youth. students for justice in palestine. and they have the whole left in tow with them. the muslim students association which, like sjp, is a muslim brotherhood creation. but the political left, which is a totalitarian pro-terrorist left these days, all of them are in tow to do everything that they can to undermine the jewish state and make them vulnerable to the general i'dal -- genocidal intentions, whatever it is, 30,000 rockets from hezbollah and hamas and iran aimed at the jewish state. this is a, it's a utter disgrace. and the silence around it which is the silence also by jewish organizations that don't want to upset the muslims, it's just amazing. every time there's an atrocity
committed by isis, all of the liberals in this country, so-called, rally around the muslims as though somebody is persecuting muslims. there's something like, i forget the exact number, but it's five or seven times the number of hate crimes against jews in this country as against muslims. so just to close this, i also -- i have a reform proposal at the end of this book, but it would take administrators with some integrity to carry it out which i don't have any faith in anymore. i just think that our country is in grave danger because of this. it goes down, they have corrupted the k-1 system as well. k-12 system as well. kids are being indoctrinated
from kindergarten. they have no respect for youth, no respect for innocence. they're on a mission from their god, which is history -- what they think is history -- they're on the right side of it as though it's moving in any direction. that's why they're so shellshocked. they thought it was moving in their direction. suddenly it isn't. if trump hadn't come in and demolished isis, something obama didn't even try to do for eight years, who knows what the future would be. we could be back in the dark ages. however, it's a battle that i hope that you all get involved in. we have web sites that deal with this. we have campus campaigns. and i hope that more people on the right join us. and not just on the right. i mean, hill el is an
organization that's gone now because it's been taken over by the left, but there are some brave members of hill el too. i'm waiting for them to come out of the woodwork and expose this terrorist network on our campuses. and this is just one piece of a gigantic problem that's been caused over a 50-year period by the assault of the left on our universities and their conversion into cultural marxist religious institutions. thank you. [applause] >> if anyone has a question, because we're being taped, i'd like you to stand up, come to the mic and ask your question. >> hello, david. thank you so much. i fear we're having a problem with a certain viewpoint.
you, myself, many people in this room started off as socialists, communists. we were starting there a base of attempting to be good, decent, moral, ethical people, and we were misdirected. and once we learned about the body counts of how many people were murdered for this utopia, we started rethinking. i fear that's what's going on in the university, is exactly what the government wants to be doing. you were talking about government funding. if you're trying to create a society, re-enslaving humanity, of tyranny, of undermining constitutions and democracy, they're doing exactly what they want them to do. and it seems like the only alternative is, first, to just call them out on, for employers, don't hire people from berkeley and yale and harvard -- >> look, it's verying sinister, what the left has done, because you can't to that. they've inserted themselves into, i mean, still the
university is a gigantic institution. and there are marvelous parts of it untouched -- well, not entirely untouched, because in the medical schools and in science schools there's a leftist campaign, you know, to intimidate people into, you know, adopting all of the myths of identity politics. there's a political war going on for the students' minds. but the fact of the matter is that a university like berkeley or the university of houstonen, a lot of -- houston, a lot of it does really marvelous things in medicine, you know, in physics, in astrophysics and various technical fields. so you can't tell people don't send your kids to harvard or yale. they have to get it -- look, it's always, it's a political battle. conservatives don't like politics. i mean, this is a huge handicap
for conservatives. when i first came into the right, i looked around and said, you know, where's the ground army? there is none. conservatives, politics is a dirty business that we engage in every 18 months. you know? outside the 18 months unless we're, you know with, trying to get some favors for our companies or something like that, outside the 18 months we go back the normal life -- to normal life which is creative. we're creating jobs, we're creating products, we're making people's lives better. that's what conservatives do. whereas leftists are at war all the time. >> right. and as much as we're the creators, we created these universities, we can recreate new universities, the hillsdales, the prager universities, the online universities. it isn't as if information isn't available now. >> well, look, i'm -- i don't
know very much about hillsdale, although i've done fundraisers for them. but i've never been to hillsdale. i think because their president is a very traditional conservative who doesn't approve of my confrontational politics. but the fact of the matter is these are tiny compared -- we're not talking about harvard and is yale. these, you know, whether there are endowments for $500 billion. and, by the way, one of the great things that trump is doing and i actually know the guy who proposed this as part of this tax bill, is an endowment tax on private universities like harvard and yale. >> but -- >> a 10%ing endowment tax would pay for all those student loans, wouldn't it?
>> right. but i'm just trying to think in a different way. inasmuch as we didn't have the internet, we didn't have immediate information instantaneous finish. >> i agree. >> we don't need ensilo medias anymore, we just have it organized. >> look, i agree, the internet has greatly, greatly increased the power of conservatives. it's broken the monopoly, the information monopoly the left used to have. a lot of things are happening. the trump movement is the biggest -- it's the first time, well, it's the second time. when the tea party appeared, i said, ah, finally, that's a ground army is forming. now it's much, much bigger. so there's hope in that. but let's not underestimate the odds. let's be sober about that. >> hello, mr. horowitz. i think the hardest thing for conservatives is how to understand the liberal mind.
the logic. >> they're not logical. >> right. i know, i know that dennis prager and you have said it's a religion and it doesn't require any, you know, it's a faith-based type of thing. and i realize a book on the liberal mind which helped explain some of it. but children and students are impressionable. they don't have -- their minds aren't fully formed. but their professors and the leaders of the movement, the progressive movement, are adults. and i want to ask you since you were in that, you had that perspective as a young man, what -- how do they envision utopia? >> they don't. >> what is their idea -- >> i mean, i've written so much about this. the second volume in this series, the black book series, is called "progressives." it's in there. the difference is this: conservatives form their views of the world by looking at the
past which is a record of what human beings are capable of, both good and bad. and if you, you know, read about the founding of this country, that's what they did, they studied societies. and they thought democracy was a really bad system, but it was better than the others. and on practical grounds. leftists don't look at real world that way. they're always looking at an imaginary future. it used to be called communism, then it's socialism, now it's social justice. all the same thing. allly, the same thing. -- ultimately, the same thing. all headed in the same direction, to treat people as collectives, to erase their individuality, to judge them either on their class position or on their race or gender or sexual orientation. and always to see it in terms of oppress sores and oppressed.
and that is what they're thinking, if you want to call it thinking. and for them it's tremendous. they think of themselves social justice warriors. we even use their language to describe them. they're heroic. they're living in a fantasy, a romantic fantasy in which they're saving the the world . you think you're -- if you think you're saving the world, you're not going to give that up. i mean, you're not thinking logically. you know, i watch the television like everybody, and i'm thinking, you know, if people get run over by a terrorist truck, gun control. what the hell is that? that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. how can you even begin with a straight face to do things like that? >> [inaudible] >> it's because, it's because the elimination of guns, which is what their agenda is, is part of creating this world where we
all get along. people don't get along! [laughter] they haven't gotten along since cain killed abel, for crying out tears. >> that's what i want to ask you, is that do they just discount history? >> yes! >> nazi germany -- >> they think they're smarter than everybody else and everybody who existed before them. look, the bolsheviks, lenin, trotzky, these were very, very smart people. you know, -- he doesn't come up -- [laughter] >> [inaudible] and see that lenin at the time, that was the first time. now we've had these totalitarian -- >> you don't have -- yeah. look, how did the left react to the collapse of the soviet union, the deaths of 40 million people, the starvation of the gulag? how'd they react to it? oh, that wasn't real socialism.
we're smarter than -- [speaking in native tongue] could go on and on. that's the way people think. they're arrogant and they're stupid. [laughter] and there's so much emotional satisfaction. it's a religion. it's a consolation for all the disappointments of life. that's what it is. and to take that away from them would cause, i mean, i described in my book "rad kohl son" -- radical son" the personal crisis i went through when i i realized marxism is a load of crap. [laughter] it was everything to me. it was everything i felt important. and that's the way it is for every leftist. and you can see, by the way, in their contempt, their utter contempt for people who disagree with them, their arrogance, the lack of respect.
it just, it's astounding. you see it every day on television. you see idiots like joy ann reed or lawrence o'donnell, pathological liar in the case of o'donnell, but just a moron in the case of joy ann reid. why is she a moron? because she can't -- there's no empathy there. there's no respect for people who disagree with her. yes, sir. >> thank you, david, for what you are accomplishing. i would like to make a point. you had mentioned very, very briefly in passing the problem of k-12. i would like to bring to your attention, if you're not aware of this, for example, my wife is a teacher at lausd. the second largest public -- >> you speak louder? >> the second largest public school district in the united states, second only to new york. and she recently showed me some literature from a course that
the teachers are now being exposed to in terms of training the students of lausd in the importance of understanding the muslim faith. the five pillars of the muslim faith, their prayers, what they signify when they prostrate themselves, what that signifies. they go into great detail about this. any other religion it would be totally baned. >> correct. that's the problem. not that they're teaching what they believe, but the fact that christians, j well,ews, probably atheists are excluded. why? because they're oppressors of muslims. there's a political agenda. in the edina school ticket in minnesota, it's a wealthy suburb of min p yap lis, they're giving first graders a book, you know, a kids' book with big pictures,
big a on the front of it, a is for activist. x is for malcolm x, and on and on. i forget the other thing, but it's a complete leftist agenda. i have a web site called stop k-12 indoctrination. on that welcome back site is a code of ethics -- on that web site is a code of ethics for k-12 teachers which if you don't to observe, you lose your license -- you get suspended, and if you persist, you lose your license. that would stop all this. but it requires a political city council, whoever oversees the school district with integrity. they have to have integrity and they have to have enormous guts. >> this'll be the last question. >> mr. horowitz, i've seen a lot
of your videos on youtube before, and i've wanted to ask you this question for a while because my grandmother actually had to live in nazi germany. the national socialists in germany frequently portrayed the jews as being greedy, rich capitalists who only got rich because they stole everything from everybody else. they, according to hitler, basically cheated the get to the top. the concept of white privilege, which is what many liberals talk about today where they accuse white christians like myself from basically stealing from everybody else, do you feel that the national socialist rhetoric of the jews influenced many liberals today to come up with their rhetoric of white privilege? >> i don't think it was direct. i think -- but, you know, maybe i didn't make myself clear. they're collectivists. the national socialists were socialists, and they had, you know, they pick the outgroup,
the group that's the source of the problems. and the liberals in america who are not liberal, they're bigots -- the most intolerant people in america are people who call themselves liberals -- they have picked a group to scapegoat which is white people. it's quite amazing. the naacp now wants to ban the national anthem as the most racist anthem ever. these people, i mean, they're -- it's nuts. but not if you're inside the religion. not if you're inside religion. if you're inside the religion are, black people can't be racists, can they? because they have no power. well, tell that to barack obama and the two with corrupt attorney generals we had during his administration. you know, it's amazing to me. every time -- there was an
officer was killed by individuals incited by black lives matter. who would appear at the microphone as the police chief in whether it was dallas or new orleans or cleveland? it's always a black cop. this, we are the most tolerant, inclusive society in the history of the world. of any size. i mean, of course, if you have only five black people and everybody else is white like in switzerland or something, it's not a big problem. but we have large minority population, and we have -- people who are the age of most of the people in this audience can remember the difference 30 or 40 or 50 years ago. the thing that really strikes me -- well, one of the most pampered or the most pampered racists in america is ta'nehisi
coates. he's the darling of the atlantic and every liberal so-called organization. and he has a pathological hatred for america and for white people if you read his, anything that he's -- anything that he's written. you know, when i see these issues discussed publicly, what's missing is a simple statement, you know? america, the constitution -- tim kaine the other day, i mean, who's a communist, tim kaine was a communist supporting the sandinista and salvadoraning communist guerrillas in the '80s. that's what tim kaine is. he attacked general kelly the other day and his ideas that the constitution enshrined, as he put it, slavery.
to thomas jefferson the american founding, 350,000 union soldiers gave their lives to freedom and present ever in lincoln gave his life as well. and when they hear that that i know i've been a conversation with a rational people and not religious fanatics. i don't, i watch quite a bit of television, very hard these days. days. i don't see that simple fact recognized. it's okay to be white. some brilliant, i'm not good at this, that's a sledgehammer. but miley annapolis, the trolls, i think it was channel for which was actual channel, trolls put up a sign at harvard square. it's okay to be white. because they are racists.
when i see a conservative on television say you're a racist to a democrat, then i'll know where on the road to freedom. thank you. [applause] >> you are watching booktv on c-span2 with top nonfiction books and authors argue weekend. booktv, television for serious readers. >> good evening everyone. i traced the