said it was getting auctioned. >> but chaneing tatum production company so sew how that goes. he wants to play scott lawson apparently i believe fbi agent yeah. >> we should mention who was his partner and apartmenter partner- >> latina from the the border the coolest investigative team like the "x-files" but you have like this country boy from tennessee. and then you've got this really cool latina from -- the border working together to unravel this. investigation. >> like you read how it concludes and how the trial concludes. the book is called bloodlines a true story of a drug cartel the fbi and the battle for a forest racing dineny melissa is the author. >> thank you. beginning now from the tucson peel of books, author discussion on president trump.

here's josh greene, david k. johnson katy turn and john mickles. [applause] and my name is john nichols i write fore the nation magazine. [applause] i wrote a book and people called the horseman of the trump. we're not going to talk about my book but talk about some other ones here. i have to go through some -- at the start because we're on c-span which youau may have because c fan is very good thing for books. [applause] i'm getting otdz enough to read these things about my glasses and -- we want to thank the research corporation for science advancement and kade industries. and andy and stewart who are right here in the front row and they have helped to sponsor this

particular event. we're delighted to be with them. [laughter] [applause] everyone everyone has purchased one of the b copies of the book but you want to purchase a second one outside when they -- authors go to the book tent and most of you know where that is. i think that is the guts of what we g have to tell you upfront except it says very short intro authors don't like long introductions on the instructions here. that's surprising to me. [laughter] but -- for those of you know me know i'm a industrialist i'm very concerned about the structures of our economy, our democracy, our society, and i think they usually tell us more about where we're going than a personality driven individualism focused and structure matter more than individuals. except it shall --

when we're talking. about trump because donald trump this is the truth off it. donald trump has -- shown us that no matter what you think about the guy, strength and vulnerables of the american political process his presidency is different than any before it. and the big question is, does it the gipping of something else or is it a no, anomaly and piepgd t today because we have the smartest trump watchers in the country with us. at this point when you're not checking your phones and stuff likeea that, you're focused so m going to ask them the core question upfront and start with katy. and by the way, not to insult guys on panel but everyone i talked to outside said is this the katy tur panel? [laughter] [applause] thank you.

katy is written an incredible unbelievable. i have -- i read the book, and i've taught a little bit of journalism in my life and i'll tell you flat out it is interesting as it regards donald trump it is a textbook for young people coming into journal i. todays. it really tells you the reality because she katy opens up in and is very, very honest about -- how annoying and painful it can be and how exhilarating and exciting katy will answer our first question here and then ask others as well. what is it for these folks i'll go into a lot more stuff here. what is it one thing that you really want these people to know after year and a half or two years of following donald trump. smtion it hasas been what -- about three years. gosh, yeah it doesn't -- >> when we're having fun. running up on three years. [laughter] as if i don't know how to use one of these. thank you very much, sir.

we're close to three years covering druch. one thing that people don't understand about him or -- don't want to understand about him is the simplest thing donald trump is not complicated he's not a complicated person and when you're watching television or y reading newspaper or readig analysis or -- opinion pieces, or you're talking to your friends and even is trying to figure out why he's doing a certain thing or saying a certain thing. f it's a very simple answer. saying it because he wants to figure out -- ore he's proet mog himself essentially. how does this one thing affect donald trump? and not how does this one thing affect economy or the -- autoindustry, or o foreign policy or -- equality. it's all in relation to how it affects donald a trump zero sum game good for donald trump individually and his business and not good for donald trump. so if you look at things going forwardd through that lens much easier to understand.

[inaudible conversations] >> and by the way about with one other quick little follow-up on that. on the day that you're the one on his miked or two or three on four or five days he talks about you very bluntly and should -- should we think of that as accomplishment or failure, what is that? that's standing there in the crowd -- >> a mixed honor. some will say that's the great honor to have donald trump make fun of you, however, many people it is. listen, i think he's, if he's on your radar because you've done something he doesn't like -- not a bad thing i guess. because he's often doesn't like the truthft and if you're tellig the truth and he calls you out for tell the truth thank you for confirming that i'm telling the truth. .. [applause] >> katie tur. josh or what green -- joshua

green. by the i way, before we get to joshua because he's a rocking good guy, you know, is this the katie tur panel? >> no! >> everybody everybody knows that katie did such a good job covering the campaigns they gave her show on "msnbc" now tightly rated and they incredibly successful show. >> 2:00 p.m. "msnbc" east coast time. i believe that's noon here in arizona correct me if i'm wrong. daylight savings times. >> arizona has multipleti times. >> you figure it out. and 5:00 p.m. for "meet the press"ve every day. josh. >> josh is the author of the devil's target. [applause] i think you won the cover

contest. we were just saying this is a netflix kind of poster thing going on here with donald trump and steve bannon. joshua has worked for the atlantic. he's a bloomberg writer and he is on "cnn" a great deal. you have seen them all over the place. the thing aboutr this look that is so significant is its not just about trump. a lot more going on around him. we begin with the core question what is the one thing you want these people to keep with them? >> first of all my mother also calls you -- so even in my own family but that's okay. the one take away i think that i learned writing the book and thinking about, my book tells the story of how steve bannon

and donald trump came together andha tramped in a way that even those of us who are weak-kneed who had front row action didn't see it happening in real time. i didn't think donald trump was going to win until 10:00 p.m. on election night and it hit you like a vendor bolt. i think in reassessing how that happened what is most important to know about donald trump is he is an incredibly intuitive politician. when i was out on the campaign trail at stadium events when you experience them through the medium of cable television often the focus is on violent crowds and where they are racists they are i. what i saw these events was somebody who brought to mind almost one of these great american rhetoricians of the 1890s, william jennings bryan who could go out there day after day and you can see him testing things out seeing what resonate

with the audience. i tell the story about the wall. it was an idea given to him by some of hiss advisers. he tried it out at an iowa event. has anyone heard of sam nunberg? he suddenly very famous. if he just gets himself out of jail. so sam came up with this idea and trump was initially cool to a buddy tried it out in iowa event and it brought down the house and trump really went on that. i'm going to build a wall so you would see him testing out these different lines and seeing what worked and what didn't and irk think there was a connection that a lot of us didn't appreciate ine. real-time and an issue of four fronting illegal immigration and crime and things

that weren't really on the radar of a lot of mainstream political people in washington. to me that was really trump in a campaign. you could see him struggling to continue in the white house. he didn't have that visceral connection to a stadium audience and he had a little bit more trouble when he talked about colin kaepernick and the nfl players c c kneeling and now he seems to be trying to push the death penalty for drug dealers. it's the same thing what is going to make the crowd roar and that remains one of his talents. >> joshua green you also attracted the attention of the president on twitter. >> my book just came out in paperback in the published said we were going to use this trump's tweet referencing you and i thought sure, why not and i got the book and i'll put it up and it's an actual picture

reprinted and it seemed appropriate. that's really trump's medium for anything oniu twitter. >> he's a critic. i was actually told by somebody in the white house after the book came out trump hasn't read your book but he did look at the cover and he saw the steve bannon got equal billing in these angry about that. [laughter] [laughter] you should remind the crowd at the kind words he had for you. the rough criticism in the 20 plus this guy is writing about the geniuses that help me in the campaign and i am the only genius, sad. or whatever it was. >> ladies and gentlemen joshua green.

[applause] david cay johnson, hello my friend. [applause] this panel is called the making of trump or something like that. it's a variation on teddy white's great look on making the press and or david cay johnson's book the making of trump. david has a couple of books that are in play right now. they know how much they are in play because i was at a train station in hamburg and they had a couple of trump books butmp te one on top way on display was your book so you were nailing it worldwide. >> in germany it says on the cover a dictator in waiting. [laughter] >> you wouldn't think that from the title of his new book which

is it's even worse than you think.k. [laughter] david. you are the guy that is non-trump the longest. what is the one thing you're going to make sure these people take away? first of all it's not g complicated. >> first of all everything that katie and josh said completely agree.pl i think the most important thing beyond those two points people need to understand that i do not understand why this is never appeared in "the news york times" the "l.a. times" the "washington post" "the wall street journal"." "cnn" and "msnbc" because i've set it on those places. in germany you would know this because it's been on tv there. in fact 124 in television news crews have come to my home in rochester new york to interview me about this. all throughout the 1980s donald trump was entangled with

a major international cocaine trafficker. he did favors for this man. he wrote a letter saying he was a standup guy and a credit to the community. his case was mysteriouslyy transferred from ohio to the new jersey federal courtroom of judge mary and trump barry and while she recused herself the mules in the drug trafficking served up to 20 years and this guy got 18 months. everything donaldg dump -- donad trump did made no sense to the casino owner who should have lost his casino for what he did but itfe made perfect sense that they were both in the drug is a together and why this is not a good news is absolutely astonishing to me this day. donald trump's criminal entanglement and they go back and his family three generations to his draft dodging grandfather

grandfather. why this is not major major news i don't know. the idea we would havet someone with donald trump's criminal background who was once tried for income tax fraud and confessed to sales tax fraud the most importantld thing to takeaways to understand that donald trump is not just the biggest contracts in history but were the most successful criminals in united states and here he is the head of our government. what does that tell us about us? >> wow david cay johnson. [applause] you know david when you're talking like that it makes me think it's even worse than you think. [laughter] you know why we have that title. >> the book is about our government, not about the white house. >> that's why i lovet?at you. there's a lot more going on than

just this one guy that let the follow-up of david on onee thin. now that we have our basics down down, it's not complicated. david you have known trump for 30 years and you think when you call him donald that annoys him? >> it absolutely annoys him i assure you. >> you would say darnold bus is. >> on the other hand i was on the platform 11 months ago with nancy pelosi and you know what i called her? nancy. >> i call senators by their first name a lot and i find out later it's not appropriate. >> here's what i think about that. senators represents in the present as well as the supreme court we are there our bosses. they are our subordinates. we temporarily infuse them with power but they work for us.

we don't work for them. i will follow up just a little bit more. >> you have known him for a very long time. were you surprised when he ran for president? >> donald has been talking publicly since 1985 about running for president. donald believes that he should run the whole world because he is genetically superior to the rest of us and donald literally believes he's entitled in the day he announced i sat there watchingy the same oh my.he migt pull thisht off and i started writing pieces, but two dozen of them to journalists saying asked these questions in one of them was 21 questions for donald trump. nobody did except ted cruz and marco rubio. >> speaking of ted cruz and marco rubio i believe that the

term little marco was tested out out. it was little katie. he called it that? marco.le katie, little >> you have said coming off the what david just said that donald trump, it may surprise you more than shock you and you were not shocked when he became presidenh president. >> i just want david to talk and tell me more that you know about donald trump. i think david you would agree with this. he is not shocking. nothing he does is out of character, nothing at all. >> one of thee few good things you could sayy about donald trup is he is consistent and you know

everything at the end of the day is about donald. >> it's true. my button is bigger than yours which is childish and scary frankly because they are talking about nuclear weapons. that's not shocking. it's surprising still if we have somebody in government who speaks like that it takes to twitter for his every whim but what donald trump has done is not shocking and all you have to do is go back and look at the way he is comporting himself over the years. look at the way he comported himself during the election. heea would bury one controversy with another controversy. he would find something even more at rages. if he was not getting press coverage would come out and say something. president obama was giving a speech on foreign policy and the

fight against terrorism right after bakersfield happened. that wasn, sunday night and mony early afternoon everybody is talking about the obama speech and i had one of those rare days where i could go get lunch. december 7, 2015 that the date brings about it today donald trump announced he wanted to muslim ban. everything about president obama was now about donald trump. one of the other examples that looms large in my mind is in the middle of the summer 2016 during the democratic national convention usually the other candidates not having their convention take a few days off and lets that candidates have their couple of days and plans on the strategy for the general election. it's just kind of tradition.

it's just the way he did things. >> atno that point you should kw donald trump. >> e. at a press conference on july 27 and hillary clinton is getting all the attention and he goes up and says -- so the news cycle wasas pulled back in his direction once more. he doesn't like king out of the news for a few days or a few hours so he will go quiet on twitter for a day or two days, three days maybe he will be calm butay inevitably when he doesn't have a fulln schedule or a moderately full schedule and his golfing an excessive amount of executive time he will start shooting his mouth off. his opinion, he is all in. he cannot stop himself. he's like a 7-year-old it's having a temper tantrum. hee needs the to be heard. he needs you to pay attention to

him. he doesn't care if it's good attention or that attention he wants you to focus on him at all times. >> what was the original question. >> we were talking about a whole bunch of other stuff that i like that.ha josh what have you learned from david and katie is an image of the guy that is former than himself. one of the things i love about your book is i think you establish very well in the book because of your extraordinary access to steve bannon, that it appears at some point in his campaign trump gives -- needed a strategist who had some ideas on what you bring into this does otherr element of this remarkabe

individual with a the small ara and not a capitol r. >> i argue in the book that trump would be the president had stevee bannon not been there. i make that argument for two reasons. you can look at trump and what he talked t about and what he believes in you hear a lot of things that were being ripped off in the foreign trade deal. in the 80s it was japan and now china and who makes better deals o. the one element that ink think bettman brought in when he first met trump in 2011 informally advising him was the issue of illegal immigration. trump didn't talk about this. if you go back and look at the things he tweeted about and i know none of you would spend your time that way but if you did in the beginning of 2013 when babbin really stepped up and began at rising him regularly and when trump in

hindsight became serious about running for president you see this issue emerge and it was so powerful in the republican presidential primary. if you're aou member becomes don the elevator in the trump towert public marble and the first thing he does is this bumper-to-bumper nor tory is headline that announced from the get-go that trump was going to be a candidate unlike any other and he was going to put the issueb, on the campaign. this happened in part because dan and would string him along. as soon as that happened john mccain cameou out and paul ryan said it was ugly and disgusting rather than back away or try to make a man's trump doubled down. and then arrange for them to travel to the mexican border in laredo. it was the first media trip with

campaign events and everything. to go down and then put it to me what trump do just that on the escalator after he came down. the other thing that bayan abroad is they haven't spent years and years studying how to tear down hillary clinton. he was the mastermindd of the book clinton cash said to come outom just as clinton was announcing her presidential campaign ended mp and her reputation by connecting her and her foundation. there was a front-page story in "the news york times." bannon's very clever guy when it comes to media propaganda he. he studied neo-and soviet filmmakers and they think what bannon brought to him after their public and then this gem gem was trump is donated 10 points in the polls he was able to come and take over the campaign and focus trump.

one of trump's talents is tearing people apart. they have been by virtue of the fact that he spent years studying how to attack hillary clinton haveg ideas to armed robber then h when trump gets warmed up on attacking someone he would be very effective at doing that. >> a dozen like to be handled. he had to walk quite a tightrope. >> what people don't get about ben and i think from the public image is he actually is very smart and has a lot of personal charisma. also he's a bank investor and has a lot of experience manipulating the egos of brash and ambitious man. to keep them trained on hillary clinton in a way that we c saw worked across the entire --

maybe if you are smarter than i am you could imagine trump wenning before election night. never believed he was going to until band but in the end if you subtract babbin from that equation i would be skeptical. smith thee enthusiasm wasn't wht we are seeing on the campaign trail in the state of arizona was -- to donald trump. it didn't matter they weren't watching the news to be convincing. if they were watching the news and reading the paper it only don't demand further. they felt like donald trump was fighting for them and donald trump was being attacked and while he was being attacked they were being attacked. he was sporting it off. another thing that helps me in the campaign that bannon helped trump focus on you can't

calculate how much wikileaks helped. october 7 the day the "access hollywood" tape came out that the first day that the john podesta e-mail came out. those podesta e-mails came out every single day after that until november 7 the day after, the day before donald trump was elected presidentas. it's coincidental for its suspicious but there's definitely something to be said there about the ending coming in and wikileaks popping up and donald trump finding a way to overcome a very big and damaging scandal. >> at all echoes the same theme. this is all against hillary clinton. the banana tax.

trump is so good at dominating the media but the other think we ought to appreciate is that he was also, bannon was good at using it excessively. good look at what happened after the "access hollywood" tape came out that was one-time trump had taken over thes airwaves in a wy i don't think he wanted to and they were desperate to get something off. and marches out. he wanted to -- sure enough you go from having bumper-to-bumper story about trump on the "access hollywood" tape. >> if i cannot katie's point about how voters reacted americans first a defaulted tend to t vote their pocketbooks and secondly they vote emotionally. the ideals of the argument that the framers had is not important

as it is to manipulate emotions in advertising. this country in 201290% of americans had -- then in 1967 and donald exploited this. 90% of americans have forgotten and i know because of the conversations he had with other people that his economic policy, not his -- perfectly legal free lunch i'm trans. donald didn't read those buddy watch me talk about them on television. drain the swamp your lunch is being eaten by golden that all came out of my look. as soon as donald got into the white house he turned washington into a federally protected paradise for swamp monsters.

>> david lets keep on josh for one quick question. i was just in europe the other day and bannon wasre there and e was talking to right-wing players and you were just mentioning he studied propaganda. i know he reads books by some pretty nefarious there's. where is he coming from? suzie: fascist? is he a nationalist? you have talked to him. >> he would describe itself as an economic nationalist. definitely not a white supremacist. the way he explains it w is he reads these philosophers and -- just philosophers because if you care about nationalism, and you

can draw strength and power from these ideas. if you look at his movies which i'm not really a fanf, of these are propaganda films from the 30s and 40s and what he's really interested in is manipulating public opinion. >> does he t acknowledge in ordr for that economic nationalism to thrive with a certain amount of racism is to cause the problem? >> he won't acknowledge it. what he says is look at the time if i was leading a pitchfork wielding rabble rousing army of all the people showed up from the establishment from both parties. essentially you can't be too picky about who your allies are. >> is there an acknowledgment

that is mostly disaffected white voters and breitbart and it targets minorities and targets women. he mayle not at colleges but tht is also paired with a certain xenophobia. >> i asked him is this the furthest so go and he said look once our ideas prevail that is when the coalition will wash away. >> like they did in germany. >> once people see the benefit of these ideas the argument is it will help the unemployment in inner cities and blacks will awaken to the nationalism of trump. i think it's a way of avoiding the question of it but if you look at people who are attracted by his ideas people specifically

brought in by way of social media and all the kind of ugly internet backwater that emerged to support trump during the campaign a lot of that is done consciously. >> number one, folks have got questions. in a couple of minutes we will be taking your questions but i like how youe did that. the low-level microphone move. before we go there i want to go back to david hereid for second. one thing that has come through really big on this panel was donald t trump really likes propaganda. they really like to manipulate

the proceedings and on the storyline. did the media screwup? >> oh, big-time. >> let's start with david and then we will work our way back. .. news. in my previous book "the making of donald trump" i tell about how he got national news coverage about his imaginary lovers; kim basinger, ma on the that and carla bruni, later the first lady of france. and this was national news. it was just made up, but he got it. and what donald would do is he would call up reporters, especially rupert murdoch's new york post who don't care about

fact >> as much as getting a play for theirs, stories and once he got the new york post he would then get them onto tv and make up nonsense like the claims he is worth more than $10 billion. how many of you have read his actual financial statement is just 1.4? and that is grossly inflated andrg they show why with the nonprofit news service that i run port.org he always seeks out a journalist that will repeat his bs and figures out who they are but what he would dos is attack you constantly he came to the philadelphia inquirer with teams of lawyers demanding it be fired which didn't get him anywhere but raised the awareness of

editorsn they would hear a noise about anything that did not written from the made up trump line. >> i protected myself by sticking to the next -- the facts but he ran such a fascinating campaign. we all rub her neck on the freeway. this was an accident with a marching band and fireworks. hillary clinton takes up online and says he cannot pass that but the news media screwup was not asking the important questions it is not new to the campaign if i had gone to ask one of the questions we each have

children please telldc me the last interaction with your children or grandchildren held was home every night to eat dinner with his children but ronald reagan had not met his grandchildren at that point. and i would ask donald you are talking about running for president since 1985 resume and you have studied the job description. it is only 450 words long. tell us with specificity the job description is written down and would you please tell us the duties and powers and limits of the presidency? that would have destroyedd him.

we failed we did not scrub t him. you can read about george w. bush failures getting public subsidies for the rangers baseball team the source of most of his fortune but will not read a scrubbing anywhere except in my book. >> it is very tough on the campaign and the history of daniel long -- donald trump is out there. and you call that razzle-dazzle. and absolutely but also extraordinarily critical coverage from marquee newspapers that not that he

wasn'tki scrubbed and raise your hand if you did not know who he was on november 8, 2015. he was covered critically also not critically but the media is a very broad spectrum from investigative tos print or "access hollywood" or bloggers you have to be very specific who did not do a good job and who did. it is unfair to say everybody failed. i think we can learn certain lessons it isn't the scrubbing of donald trump because of course we know who he was it

was the lack of coverage of the american voter and then running around communities that is where they fail. >> i probably agree with youen but we were reporting the vast majority 95% i spent 25 yearsee documenting how the government has been picking their pockets. so how many of you knew that he spent yearssp deeply entangled with a major international drug trafficker? a handful of people. however if you do that without reading anything that i wrote? i love the new york times. they had the words trump and mafia in four articles in the 16 month leading up to the campaign and it was all in passing. thee heavy lifting is done by the major newspapers and these

were not scrubbed. nobody called me i offered every journalist access to my thousands of pages of material for newspapers called me like the drug trafficker and others criminals. and then pbs edited out my references the three broadcast references. >> and bc absolutely did never hesitated although cnn and not as often but the big papers never wrote a scrub you will not see a systematic scrub. >> so to circle around the conversation you brought a lot of important stuff that we have tremendous media the broader question is has the

media system developed to appoint where the good work is not sufficiently highlighted? and that ability of the constant heater can wash over. >> i don't think the media of cable news was equipped to handle a candidate like donald trump. every day if you did not like the headline he would throw out a scandal. a gerbil on a wheel to have the time to delve deeply to the level because you cannot justst say i am not done focusing ond yesterday's

outrage continuing on into his presidency sometimes i don't know if i should write about the mueller investigation or the porn star and hergh lawyer. >> there are stories would have ended in earlier presidency b we have a system are we moving into an era trump and his ability but then the rise of fox news where there isn't even agreement on

the scandal and that makes it even harder to be a unifying national media storyline around russia and that leaves aside the ability to manipulate the media to announce a summit with kim jung-un or announce steel tariffs and people forget my staff secretary allegedly abused his ex-wife. there is so muchh going on it is hard to hone in on that serious good work i tweeted at the time that nobody covered thatti campaign i would ask

people about their wearing those softball questions but not katie.buhe >> but even watching your show now some have a great deal of coherence i did during the campaign sea wall to wall trump speeches. >> it was the uncomfortable mix people trying to figure out what to put on and not to put on but i do hope i didn't come onto strongly bet that juicy stuff and the dirty stuff to come to the top the dirty stuff to come to the top. >> but here is my last point social media has a lot to do with this because we live in the 2477 more more more now now now constantly and we are on the hamster wheel not

just cable news you are as well. it is incumbent not just upon us but for everybody to decide what you want to payay attention to you have the ability to choose what to read and what to watch you can reward with your eyes what you think is important we can only do so much alternately it is everybody. >> the man on his knees the longest rises. >> remember the phrase anybody can be president was inspirational? how do we get back to that? [laughter] [applause] [applause] appreciate an audience that outdoes the panel.

>> who most definitely wants to give her response? >> i am not qualified to be president and i really wish we would get to where not everybody can be president to be educated not to be a great showman. [applause] to do on moderators introduction the answer to everything he was a good businessman but also think of that the top qualification for being president. >> you have touched on a coupleou of things getting the panels take and where that stands with the impact. >> thees investigation we don't

know where the investigation is because that office does not leak. drafting from lawyers or for those meese recent rounds of witnesses with that july 27 conference what he may or may have been involved in during the h campaign before the e-mail said he is asking what sort of relationship with the not

working for him anyas longer? and could that be a back channel to somebody in russia? looking at the threads of money laundering and then the russian businessman with vladimir putin also looking into michael coleman and the deals he was into with donald trumpp they called him the fixer getting an idea looking into'r that. they are looking into everything knowing how far they are if it comes to a close sometime soon. >> so you manage a show.

but it is the staff of novels and incredibly engaging. how do you balance that? >> we cover a lot. >> how do you do that all the time? >> when there is a meaningful development we try to cover as much as necessary for the day but it feels like we miss a lot of stories that they are not educating you with everything that is going on. and working with a foreign government to take down the political opponent and there are systematic disruptions and

the way that agencies that is shortchanged. >> there is a very rich tapestry we see more of the colorful threads. idc report we write about the deep hidden threats we had 150 footnotes for credibility he has been involved with russian money going back from 1983 with squarely deals. we will never see all of it but there is a veryt' rich tapestry. >> is at the money or collusion? >> he needs to bring the case that he can win and the 17 people he brought with him to knock out every other

white-collar firm that is the money they are focusing on. >> it might take less than a minute. >> and now one other guy who is in real need of money bloomberg my employer has great reporting on the billion and a half dollar mortgage that come due very soon with the effort to find sources and to bring together the issue issues. >> i had to make a few notes

because i did not realize about the mafia makes me wonder about the journalists i do not blame all of them but the question that comes to my mind is what would happen if journalist of print and television could have an intervention they would agree to and not broadcast or publish anything that trump says or doe does. >> we can't do that. i'm sorry. >> i think it is a good idea to focus on other aspects. >> i love what you have brought in. this isll important with a quick moderator intervention to say the press should never get together to decide the intervention.

>> the genius is they have different voices and that is goodie but it is the president you cannot look away in 24 hours you have no idea what can happen. but we do know that he does move the food dish out whenever he wants us to pay attention and the media rushes to gobble that up are there things we should ponder? >> very much there is a lot of introspection in the national media since trump selection and from my vantage point to do a a much better job to stay

focused on the russian investigationer and the congressional i investigation and even stormy daniels. >> i don't want that to become to central. >> but it ought to be. >> can that porn star by one -- bribe the president of the united states?t >> and then to stay consistently in the headlines that even trump cannot knock out. >> i agree we need to think about what we need to focus on this week to delay a rule that cost to american per week to di die. why isn't this on the front page i don't know? we need to focus on what he is doing not what he is

tweeting. that is kind of a big deal. >> this gentleman has a question how responsible was hillary clinton to the election of donald trump? >> we have a couple minutes we'll let one person take a shot at that. >> imagine r online. >> talking to somebody on the campaign and all of her ads were directed at him to take him down none of them more about her what she believed in or wanted to do and she did that in michigan. >> very relevant to this country i know what the against tell me

economically what they are for? >> it would have been great. >> she has been waiting you have one minute. >> what is one or two things you think are necessary to bring this fake president down? >> a new congress. [applause] >> if you don't applaud loudly right now. >> it isn't the media's job we don't put a target on his back to the best of our ability what he has done and if the byproduct of that it is fine but we don't try to predetermine.

>> or through a special prosecutor or the democratic party and republicans by the wa way. [applause] >> we will do this really quick c-span will stick with us. come on. i want your take on mr. kelly chief of staff. if this is an american patriot trying to protect the american public from trump or a gentleman who is all in? >> it is hard to get a read on kelly. first of all visitors logs

because he can. if they decided they don't want to do it they don't have enough pressure to release them is the short answer. the kelly question is debatable, coming in with a certain reputation that has eroded significantly with the attack on frederica wilson and then to take away that credibility and has now changed his story a number of times about what he did and how he reacted to it that story is all over the map it is very consistent that does make people question the values he brings to the office. >> underru military law with the conduct unbecoming of an officer.

and a dramatically failing to do vetting on somebody particularly getting into the cabinet showing incredible subservience to donald trump and then say he will get the white house in order? there was no evidence of that. it was terrible coverage horrible coverage trump has appointed. last question. >> siwhy does the media come out tougher on sarah huckabee sanders? [laughter] who wants to give us? >> i come out of her press conferences every day.

i think i am pretty tough on her when she is not telling the truth we try to point that out. to her face. also understand you don't want an angry, mean loud press corps in the briefing room. you want a certain amount, no matter the administration you want a certain amount of decorum and respect among the press in that room because they will be there over time. >> your question shows shows how tough they are being on her. somebody has been doing this more than 50 years they are really being tough on her but at the same time it is appropriate. >> let me leave you with katie's interaction with sean spicer just to give you little confidence he said you guys

have an nbc thing like it was a criticism like we were picking on people and she said yes, we do, it's called journalism. [applause] please give a big round of applause for our panel. [applause] >> david cay johnston is our guest with a fixture over the years as an investigative journalist focusing on