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in -- i was with my family, with my friends. start my life from zero. halls on $20 in my pocket. why you will just leave all this stuff and come to the united states? because you want to live. this is the only way if you want to good on living and the amazing thing, when came to the united states never thinking i would stay in the united states. it was all kind of like a dream for me. was -- that time just shell shocked what happened to me and i couldn't focus a lot. and when i came here, most amazing thing i like but the united states, you can say whatever you want to say, bee whatever you want to be and nobody will come to kill. you that's amazing and that time i feel like for me it's the only way to stay safe. >> "after words" airs on booktv every saturday at 10:00 p.m. eastern, and sunday at 9'm eastern and pacific time.
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all previous "after words" are available to watch on the web site, booktv.org. >> you're watching booktv on c-span 2. one over the things we like to do when we come to publishers convention in new york in the spring is preview books coming out in the fall. and joining us now is a longtime publishing news reporter and editor, sarah weinman, knew first-time author. the can buys called "the real lolita." who was vladimir novo california av. >> russian born evane to all american émigre author. a motion e most miami know him for "lolita" which-on the bestseller list right away and
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has never been out of print since and has never stopped being talk about the 60 years since jinx we book came out in 1958. president race -- pretty racy. >> about a man who is 37 years old, told from his vantage point and he very accurately describes has affinity and proclivity for prepew bess sense girls and rides into town and alites on a girl na delower resumes and necknames her lolita and she end fund his clutches. they go on epic road trip and because it's from his point of view you get the sense there's a great romance but in reality it's for more horrible and nightmarish specially for the 12 year girl who has been rocket of their childhood. >> host: what was his reputation as a writer, as a person.
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>> guest: well, at the time he was considered to be one of the greatest russian language writers and when he arrived in america, he had just begun writing in english so he had already started publishing novels and other works so he was really towards be a great literary artist and writer. but when he was working on lolita he would writ letters to friends and confess how challenging the subject matter was. at i discovered in my research for hi book, he had been dealing in various literary forms with this particular compulsion dating back very early on in his career. a poem he wrote the '20s that deals with the subject matter. other earlier novels but it really didn't come to fruition until he wrote and published "lolita." >> host: let's get to the story in the book. who is sally horner. >> guest: an 11-year-old girl who was born and raised in camden, new jersey, and sometime
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in the spring of 1948, she had band-aid by a group of girls in her school. she wanted to join a girl's club or something along those lines. and she really wanted to be among the popular kids, kind of a lonely girl. being raised by a single mother, her father killed himself when she was six years old the dare was she had to steal a notebook from a local woolworth. just came out of prison and as he is doing he says, i'm an fbi agent and you're under arrestment he wasn't an fab agent but sally was 11 and didn't know. so he lets her go and for several months she thinks she is home free. and theny june of '48 he finds her again and says you have to come with me or you'll go to
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reform school. so he manipulates here into telling her mother they're going to atlantic city for a week and she agreed because she is feeling guilty and wants to give sally a vacation so sal are goes with if a frank to atlantic city. she write'smer mothers lift and their then letters stop and the phone calls stop and finally she gets one last her, we're going baltimore, late july of '48 and by there is point her mother realize something terrible happened and realized its when me police finally called and they tell her, this guy frank, the reason why he was in prison was for the statutory rape of five girls, leading to a 20-month cross-country trip, from atlantic city to baltimore and dallas, texas, and son jose, california, where she is
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ultimately rescued. >> oo was this story widely reported at the time? >> guest: at the time -- when i first started looking into this a few years ago i had seen some wire reports from the "associated press," from upi and it was widely reported but didn't realize the accident until i got ahold of the camden paper and newspapers in philadelphia and some new york ones, but because "the new york times" didn't volunteer order, i it didn't last to the same degree but there was a lot of coverage, and that's an interesting side point, too because the media coverage of a girl who has been kidnapped and sexually abused and recovered, it was alternately very very thoughtle and also weirdly sexist, descriptions of of her being plump and chunky and this is irrelevant and yet this is how such stories were done in 1950. so, that was also sort of a
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fascinating byproduct. the thing with writing the become, got me in a lot of different reporting tangents and research tan generals because trying to juggle sally horner's story and the writing of "low low feet to" and the other significant moments, challenge and also incredibly rewarding to stitch it together in this mosaic. >> why do you call sally horner the real lolita. >> because nabokov references the case in the text. very late in the novel, he returns to original town where he first meets delores hayes, where he had married her mother and that was a disaster, understand by, because the wasn't interested in her. so many years passed. del lower race is elsewhere. -- delores is elsewhere.
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he comes back and is trying in figure out things and as he is wandering through the town, and thinks hat i don to dolly about frank went to sally horner, there it was like a neon sign in the text, and yet i, who first read lolita at the image of 16, had just never really realized it was there. and all the while i was write thing book i would ask people did you know there's phrase wag lolita and with the exception of one person, everyone said, no, and thing is there's so many other things going on in lolita from a language standpoint, from a style standpoint and it's a brilliant novel and you almost get distracted by the shiny baubles of the language. so of course people miss this. nabokov had a recent for leaving this clue in and he knew more but the case unanimous anybody
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realized -- than anybody realize. >> host: what's it's like bag first time author when you have been reporting for publishers marketplace for years. >> guest: it's a little surreal, i leave -- he have to conference but i have been working toward this moment no my entire career. i have edited anthologies other so i'm not unfamiliar with the progression and i learned editing anthologies. all of my crime fiction experience, crime reporting experience, everything is kind of coalesced and when i found this story a few years ago, while is was original lay magazine piece, i knew almost from the first there was so much more to tell but sally ask her case's relationship to lolita, and so now we have this book and it's -- i'm so proud of what i've done. >> host: here's the cover of the book, which is coming out in september "the real low lead
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too: the kidnapping after saley horner and the novel that scannized the world. i" sarah weinman has been our guest. >> thank you very. little it's been a pleasure always. ... >> politics and guns. to a degree, we haven't seen before. it's still a small church, there's no question about that. sean has a worldwide following. my guess would be maybe 200 people in the congregation total up in pennsylvania and 500,
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1,000, 2,000 worldwide. because in these days, you can follow a church on youtube. all the sermons are webcast every week. but it's that, it's that commingling of passion in america, and what does this say about us as a culture, and what -- is in any, is there any precursor of what we might see down the road. when you get the genie out of the bottle of mixing guns and religion, in almost any society it's been problematic. >> tonight at eight eastern on c-span's q&a. >> okay. we're going to get started here in just a minute as some people are still coming in. just while we do -- are those of you -- how many of you have been he

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