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>> michael eric dyson a professor of sociology at georgetown and a contributing opinion writer for the new york times and contributing editor of the new republic and espn undefeated. coe author or editor of more than 20 bucks including making welcome. among -- malcolm that was a book of the year when released. and his new york times bestseller. also all winner of the naacp image award and the 2007 winner of the american book award. tonight he will discuss his new book what truth and lolitics using a 1963 meeting
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between kennedy and baldwin and several others. harry belafonte praises what truth sounds like as a tour de force to get back in the room to resolve the racial crisis and as an eloquent response to the unresolved dilemma. this will be moderated are a bill of rights activist of how to save the people we are glad to have them both here. [applause] thematic
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[applause] >> it is good to be here with all of you mr. dyson i have not seen you in a while. >> it is always good to see you. this book just came out to them we can have h a conversation about what is happening in the world with racial justice. so our first conversation is in front all love you but what is the arc of what is truth sound like? be my first of all thank you to harvard bookstore in this wonderful church to keep the spirits here and this brilliant legendary young man has already given his life and
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sacrifice for the people. [applause] later on you will hear from eddie because this is the anniversary of the death and we want to celebrate the memory of a warrior who against his own will represent something bigger than whhimself. that's a great question nobody has ever asked me that. that's why you are here. i wanted to explicitly address white america. a local figure here spent time here who heard him here in boston and then was so taken by his word she followed him to harlem and said what is it
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that i as a white girl can do? the famous dancer is nothing but here is my delayed response. there is stuff you can do or what you can think about. my books address race and class and culture and politics and religion but i wanted tocl explicitly articulated vision of value and the set of virtues that white people should take seriously and i want to address them directly. in love but also tough love and it is often difficult for white brothers and sisters to be directly addressed even though i said beloved. but also as a minister directly addressing the resistance and dissidence and hostility and another woman
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talking about white fragility i wanted to address that and say please stop killing us that his wife grew c out of my book o on obama the sterling incident in the wheezing and a or castillo in minnesota and i said enough isan enough. i sat up all night writing the offense is they just ran something of mine a week or two before. but they were both on the cover. [laughter] but the book grew out of that because there was such overwhelming response they said thank you for telling us the truth or they were angry so in this book that was more personal that was harder to write because that was digging into the wells of my anxiety and my own belief that myohe
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narrative met the narrative of other black people which together forms words that is witness to white america but this book i turned to a historical event. the famous meeting between baldwin and kennedy. bobby kennedy had met james baldwin the nobel laureate about one year before. then they said we like each other so let's get together to chop it up then less than a year later jimmy baldwin shot off a fiery telegram. it was not a tweet. [laughter] that said look we look at what is going on in birmingham with this ghoulish corner who is devastating the lives of the
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negroes as we were called then and he was outraged. calling it bombing him because the bombs were dropping in the kids were blown up and of course the civil rights movement was at its peak. and he saw the women and children blasted against the walls with high pressure hoses and dogs nipping at the flesh and said you are not doing the right thing. we were not using that as the prison to see the light and you don't see the moral issue it is all political with you. he fired that off and dick gregory who met with bobby kennedy with black people suggested i look up was so things came together and then
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they met at a house virginia baldwin said only have half an hour bring a couple of her friends by tomorrow so that is your friends like harry belafonte and lena horne and a young activist named jerome smith. that is where the predecessor comes in. so jeromeor smith is by lor and legend and literally with louis these most decorated him freedom writer in the history of this nation not only because have intelligence and resistance but he suffered physically and was beaten to within an inch of his life so many times far more than any other figure. far more controversial. he was there in the meeting got off to a good start he
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wanted the negroes be grateful for what we have done for you and out of respect to the extraordinary trajectory of bobby kennedy the kennedys especially john gained more in death than life as a reputation to foster civil rights because he was torn between two forces. where were the white bigots he had to appease in the south and then he put those on the bench that literally called black people niggers that was striking even back then in 1962. and then the georgia governor that robert i'm skews me jfk called to get mlk out of jail. he played a well timed callhe out right before the election and kennedy became president
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and he told him i will not use force to intervene in behalf of immigration or segregation. but then he tells black people liwill help you with civil rights. there was that tension bobby kennedy was the little brother less knowledgeable but more inclined to have conversations like today. it was their penthouse at central park and he said i'm trying to figure out what rages going on in black america and not martin luther king jr. but was forced to work with him he didn't want king there or whitney young there or adam clayton powell he wanted figures on the cutting edge who would tell the truth not those who are beholden to their organizations to tow the line
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he wanted people to tell them what the truth was so kennedy begins and then jerome smith says we are no here for pity party and the celebration people are out here dying and i am tired of all of this madness. then they go back and forth and kennedy is appalled on bobby kennedy is expecting them to be grateful for what he has done for black americans and negroes and they say we are not grateful. sorry. so the reality is this man interjected some serious rhetoric they probably never heard from black people he wanted to talk about rage but did not know how to confront it when he saw it. he was a tough slb and as a
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result remember he was a henchman. the aggressive advocate for mccarthy in the 50s to transform himself into an advocate for the poor but in between he was caught to advocate for justice at the same time trying to moderate in one sense modulate the tensions going on between black people does that sound familiar? he would say we can't the two aggressive because white people want to come back into the fold if we alienate them too much they will not come back. that sounds familiar so the black people said bull crab we will not have it and then the rain got involved and for three hours bobby kennedy had to hear stuff he was not use to hearing from people he didn't want to listend to especially the young activist on the frontline was telling
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him if you want to know about rage check me out and at one point bobby kennedy i think i went deliberately would ratchet up could you defend america? he said never. never. never bobby kennedy could not talk he is a patriot jfk you know the story and his brother died as a war hero so he thought this is america then he said you want us to go kill people but you cannot even defend us here and then it went from bad to worse kennedy finally shut up for three hours and he listened which is unusual for white men of power to listen to black people listen to their eloquence and pain and poetic trauma and was forced to listen and get mad
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he was pissed he got the fbi he got a dossier on everybody that was there if there wasn't one already started the white liberal kennedy wiretapped those people out of anger which led to one of those people who was clarence jones he was the lawyer for boast baldwin and martin luther king jr. and eventually led to the surveillance of martin luther king jr. he did calm down eventually and said i may be full of rage as well began to change his mind he gave a speech that accentuated the moral nature of race and the political nature and began himself to rethink his own understanding and far moreicic empathetic and was seen as the most trusted white man inn america. at least one of them for
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african-american people and died a martyr for racial justice as well. >> that was chapters one and two. [laughter] the first chapter is called the meeting the second is called the politicians but what is interestingnd to hear you talk about and reading it we met with president obama twice and with loretta lynch i but people have a lot to say before they see the president i will tell him this and then they say thank you president obama. [laughter] remember the last we had was a big meeting like 30 or 40 of us in the building i had just gotten out of jail in baton rouge and they said you
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cannot people thought he said i don't see the thing that you shouldn't but i'm not the president. [laughter] but it isou interesting with this idea that you talk about here, the idea of black people in the room that are not beholden but what is interesting if you write currently is that ferguson is like absent and if somebody was in the street of ferguson to think about that unrest without being rooted in those days we stood in the street. and i t think about you were not part of any organization but you do talk about hillary and you talk about activist we
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actually only reference people that are in organizations i went to understand that. >> great point. this is part of the reparations to have you here tonight. [laughter] so to take me to task in public. i will be bobby kennedy.. [laughter] >> you are absolutely right. not only that you can't do everything but you're not talking about peripheral but thee definition. i probably was cautious and careful enough to think about talking about the movement and african-americans struggles along with gender and missing major major response of resistance and engagement of abthe truth and you are absolutely right. in part number two i want to date deeper into that but you are absolutely right that is a
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glaring absence that needs to be addressed but also in terms to draw the parallel i was trying to show that the people in organizations to a certain degree weree radicalized in a way that wasn't necessarily the case in the 60s. i don't want to idealize what is going on now but i mean that for one of the things of many movements they began in ways that are part of the movement may not be like the past as they ought to be and it necessary for them to understand they are running a marathon and not a sprint but when i first engaged with this young man i was impressed with
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the complete command of what happened before and knowing that history put into an awareness and consciousness of what preceded him and that is so critical. soon the one hand while acknowledging the necessity for that some of the younger people involved in organizations now took advantage of that knowledge knowing they didn't want to sell out. campaign zero or what you did in ferguson and what they are doing now that campaign reviving that historic legacy to your point he left the naacp connected with in north carolina and now forming his own group you are absolutely right for those who stand outside the system and those outside of those organizations that are formally recognized. i
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i talk about here, people are ambiguous whether or not he was invited to that meeting because on the one hand to say we don't what luther king junior we don't want to be beholden to that but another great intellectual the most celebrated social science of his day. >> you talk about him in the intellectuals chapter. >> give them some love. [laughter] >> so he was a remarkable figure in the mold of a great social scientist looking at the world through their own prism but also to figure out how to address the looming racial crisis in the north and bobby kennedy wanted to
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address the social crisis. but how do you figure out what to do with the rising rate of rage in black america and what do we do about it? it is attracting to the black muslims turning away from nonviolence but if you want to hear policy prescriptions have that at the ready mlk junior would be young. he was torn between the two and mlk junior was inside and outside but as he got more radical and older and more mature began to challenge those presuppositions of the reigning civil rights organizations. that was the tension going on there wanted to mark the fact that younger generation took a lesson from the older people.
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a guy like you you are on tv you are famous that you maintain a respectful etiquette as you challenge that to speak to obama acknowledges power and respecting his power and the office but you challenge at the same time. that is a beautiful o development of your generation of activists who take a page from the earlier ethnic but also to apply that in ways that are interesting so i want to call upon both of those traditions to talk across the chasm of the ages. >> i will probably mispronounce her name but she looks at obama and says that's not my name and he looks like what is happening but yelling
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back and forth across the room and it's not on me he's the president. i guess he's yelling in the meeting then they went back-and-forth and said i want to make sure i hear you so that is how he diffuses it then you think obama that was good. [laughter] you say baldwin had forsaken with that love to echo tradition and it makes me think about talking about barbara right now and asking about moral courage. it is a two-part question but how do you wrestle with in the absence of god the way we think of activism or the way that it was?
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or the second is the question does that call for more mean anything today? is more courage going to get us on the other side off freedom? >> that is a very powerful question and theologically sophisticated. i told you emerson would show up. so how do we justify god's ways before we wrestle withd evil in the face with the claim that god is good and all-powerful but at the same time to be subverted by evil practices that make us question whether or not any good exist to begin with. yes. what is interesting is martin luther king jr. signals the voices of the 60s and the
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greatest freedom fighter born in this nation said among withop many other people through their inspiration of the black church but the majority of the black church wasn't for them in terms of theology with the national baptistst convention with a great preacher he never heard of him look him up. not by flattering us that by opposing us. and a great preacher william augustus jones oh my god. what they said about the d southern baptist preacher he had a voice like god but only deeper and william augustus jones. wondering who will be the big shot. great poetry if nothing else the rhetorical command of
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frederick a. when you hear carolyn knight or some of thees great preachers you hear that command frederick but also what convinced people their lives are worth something that convinces them of the integrity of their spiritual existence in light of the belief that god walks with them and suffering will nothe exhaust their existence so mlk was part of that resistance also as a marginal figure because of his political activity and jay jackson who was head of the national baptist convention was a conservative leader in preacher. he doesn't want all of that civil right heresy this tension with the blacks did not get it start so martin
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luther king jr. and his cohort had to leave the convention basically forced out to start the baptist convention millions of members about two or three in the progressive convention but even there, all black people benefited from the civil rights movement that most did not participate it is true today also. >> very true today. i asked jesse jackson one time how did g you get involved with martin luther king jr.? then you go up to selma and the next thing you know he said the line wasn't long to come with kate. [laughter] i think i will become a banker.[l [laughter] so as you know given the sacrifice that you have made and the threat you have
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confronted i was not being hyperbolic so that movement of the moral center was deeply entrenched in the black church but yet the political expressionha of that sensibility made him a marginal figure that he was on the edges and on the periphery. he was a complicated theological figure when he began as a liberal theologian, a lot of people understood his own understanding of the gospel and its relationship to the bible he was not a biblical literalist he understood the metaphoric intensity and the power of the gospel but yet that convinced him of his ultimate significance as a child of god and he and many others mobilize the african-american people in america by generally
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appealing to their conscience to transform this culture so what about now when there is a shift?st it was true before that black ministers were leaders because they had more education than most people they had access to college. we know the reason it was h methodist and baptist to have structures with low word to me so that is why baptist and methodist attract the black ministers because they could herticipate because the spirit of them not because they had the credentials. in those traditions transcendentalism did not attract because of their
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strict racially tinged demands with those educational achievements. so now when people have access p to college with a whole class of business people and secular leaders who are political grow up, they began to challenge the hud gemini and obama in one sensee was probably the first major national black figure able to onappropriate the residence of a profit normally the black church is god and mama and the minister. but now obamama comes along between he and jeremiah wright is not a prophet but plays one on television in black people assigned him moral worth that
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god has assigned obama this position in life and a lot of black people prayed for obamaam believing he was the embodiment because they're mad at preachers and on the one hand but that he was a bigger messiah than barack obama. to our credit into our demise and chagrin. obama was the first black political figure who undercut the moral authority to lay claimng to be a prophet himself because he was the embodiment of the black people to have authority now we could say post russian or post- preacher leadership class a lot of black leaders and ministers themselves a lot of black people who were leaders but
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there is a diminishing influence of that particular institutional expression but still that moral hold is y interesting so yes talking about moral courage he tries to translate that institutional accident and belief of the black church intola moral language that appeals to the masses people try to compare jerry falwell or some of these right ministers to king they are trying to justify their political beliefs they were using christianity in their religious beliefs to justify this as a christian nation to make everybody bow down with their narrow interpretation of christianity king uses christian beliefs so everybody could participate regardless of religious orientation not
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because they were religious tickets like jesus in the disinherited he traveled across the country and set a big it is a person who doesn't honor his commitments so to worship at the altar of their own understanding king was trying to open up space so whosoever will regardless ofou your faith or religion or class and culture could niparticipate so now there is a lessening of that orientation that the language survived that ethical imperative survived by people do go to church still and then church comes to them. a secular priest guy has a church after her already.
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queen bee houston-based understanding the gospel the same way kendrick lamarr. [laughter] and those that take the gospel into the secular arena it does color the lens through which they view god but that has been unleashed through the prism that the earlier people worship that and through and now there is a new challenge afoot tosl figure out to translate 20 or 30 or 4050 years ago. king found the language and justice is what love sounds like mlk junior inspired me to write that phrase because he found a way to say universally
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if you are concerned as a human being you and i are brothers and sisters. i would rather be with an atheist but does the right thing every day then a christian to send me to hell because my skirt is too short because i am gay and think god cosigned their bigotry. that is the arena barber is operating right now. [applause]we >> we will go to questions in the second. this is my last questions and not tooou long of an answer but
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but one out of six you say because his pop is that older forms and when it burst onto the national scene with that social agreement in place only for the modern civil rights movement this is crucial for black success to talk about you are a big fan jay-z and beyoncé. but there are people who worry about hip-hop because they glorify those not just about telling the truth but something different with the r
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kelly of our time and then you argue that hip-hop is an expression so i think of our kelly is the best example but then do you worry the way that social justice has become its own industry? think of all the people that didn't stand with us and now they do specials on abc and i worry that symbolism has taken over the artist have come in but the outcomes are changing and those who talk specifically about the artist
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but i want too ask these questions do we worry about the industry? do you make that man is here. that is a great point. to the first point, of course i am an old man. i am 59 years old. thank you. [laughter] you are first in line. i'm an old guy relatively speaking. nothing worse than trying to see an old man try to be young but yes of course we worry and those who start to age out because this is the explosive artform and so powerful with multiple generations.
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talk about the hip-hop generation and little john in those littles are generationally specific so then you have the attention and that percussive spirit i joke about mumble rap as an older guy. you know what i'm saying. >> no.. i really don't. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] what in the hell aresa you saying? [laughter] so i am down with and i joke about it but mumble wrappers are the blues ecstatic that
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james brown moved from the r&b ecstatic so the beat itself dictated the context of its interpretation and then the music was the expression with all the crab in the world. maybe with james brown or vice versa now mumble rap is doing the same thing. it is about that aesthetic they arehe communicating these are the algorithms and the lyrics to intensely communicatesu the suffering implicitly so i have love for them and for what they do but the point is so powerful at
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like you don't have influence how many do we need to hear about how many drug deals? although daytona is still. he is 41 years old. now i don't have my play ever now i have play? i will teach a class this fall. >> i don't think he won that battle. the battle isn't over yet. >> so i did call kim and kanye. he posted one of my text. i said can we talk but then he
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turned over the phone to his wife i talked to kim i believe in systematic social justice in the approach to criminal justice reform at the same time they god she talked to donald and she was pardoned excuse me completed sentence today but that is approximating better than what she had. so i talked to them and said you know i am not down later he said it was my mental illness that it was a choice but back t to the point, there is a great deal of suffering that we have to be held accountable for.
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and that recruited recognition by young that black people. i was there at the beginning. this is political sensibility because he says something. elvis was he road to most. my god what is more political than that? it is horrible. you are not even music. it's stupid. white record executives not you mean six weeks later you had a radio that could not be
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on the radio sold out the back of your truck? come herero negro.te [laughter] and then commercialize that. those who did not invest i will get to that in a minute those who demand ethical responsibility were invested and speaking to them to engage them so then it was quickly commercialized and then something the white kids were checking out. so with the impact of art on consciousness with that magnitude of repetition that
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goes around to get money black people killing other black people and the ways the celebration but in one sense but in real life it is happening also. but it could glorify that. that means that already existed you are notn' responsible. so as abraham says everybody isn't guilty but everybody is responsible. and then on the marvin gaye book an amazing genius but there is something deeply and profoundly wrong but the way the culture of neglect of gay
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and lesbian young people abused young black people and uswomen abused which is that movement of me too and the rage they feel in the face of neglect that privilege have made a priority as we grapple with the place of women's bodies. we have to wrestle with that and talk about it that everything you say is beautiful and impactful acting like you have no responsibility for what you say that is what harry belafonte teaches us he was the first artist, not black. to sell 1 million copies of an album which was calypso. he is not a has been i am becoming political now i am becoming conscientious now comparable to what beyoncé
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evolution and development as the most gifted global entertainer right now that her own unapologetic blackness that people like you are surrounding her i wrote the introduction to her lemonade book that you are informing the context which it makes sense for her to emerge iss extremely important there is a dialect between social pressure and a movement in self-realization as an artist you can only realize yourself to the degree that a social movement provide the agenda and the expression so the second question very briefly it is jacked up because you were out there you were on the streets and continue to be is it bitterly ironic and paradoxical that those who are
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not even participating not even getting paid that is crazy but it is predictable because that is what happened with capital and commodities. even revolution they will be selling these jackets get your jacket here. it's a vest. i'm sorry. looks like a jacket to me. [laughter] that you need to start selling this that is what i say. he needs to get paid the people need the money and got the money those who don't have that so we should take up a collection for this brother right here for real. amen. so yes that is the cycle ofif capital me make a fetish out of our resistance yes the
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politics can be externalized for must that you become alienated from your own work what you produce you don't know because you have a relationship to what you produce because somebody steps into buys it from two then resells it to make more money and you can't support your family with social movement social justice can become a commodity fad your point is even more poignant those who make little money off of them without necessarily recycling into the same community why i loved jay-z and beyoncé's they were doing that then stepped it up in a morep aggressive public fashion. so there is a great danger to i be commodified or mlk junior speeches and who has control
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or ownership of that. i am not against the king family at all they suffer the greatest loss at all but we want to hear the high have a dream you want the children to know the contributions of the king so there is a danger to make a fetish material possession out of something that began with deep and profound horror. that is way kanye paid $85000 for the cover of daytona just like whitney houston. that relationship between commodity has to be out there and i want to say one thing i know we are about to go but give him a microphone please. this is the anniversary. tell us.
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>> he used to teach at rikers do you know the young man he could afford bail and was sent to jail at rikers. this young man was his teacher , peers so they can see you. to make this was not planned by the way. we want you to be on tv. [applause] hello. this is impromptu. i did not teach him but i did teach creative writing but i was mentoring him after he was released and if you don't know he spent three years on rikers island for a crime he did not
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commit allegedly he stole backpack he spent more than 300 days in solitary confinement and this was as a 16-year-old. and i think the only thing that i would say thank you for inviting me to the stage it is nice to come here to hear these two brilliant folks speak about justice but i think they could do without the praise and would invite the help it means a lot more to join the work and applaud those doing the work so folks like youn who are gone now his mom passed and the headline with the newspapers she died of a a broken heart the irony is that wasn't ironic she did in fact i i have a broken heart so
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just join us in the work. thank you. [applause] >> give it up for doctor dyson. >> thank you. if you have questions go to this microphone. >> we have time for a few questions please lineup down the centerai aisle. >> or comments or philosophy or poland or contributions or poems. >> he will sign books
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>> good evening i'm a resident of massachusetts all year we celebrate the 200th birthday of frederick douglass who lived there a number of and wrote his first autobiography but i'm curious as a two-part question if frederick douglass had any particular impact on you over the course of your career and how? and i scanned the book there is only one reference do you think him and his works are passé by now are we past that point of really learning anything from frederick douglass? >> that's a great point. no. everybody has their list if about in your own mind mine is where i have emerged my patriarchal presumption to always hold intention in check but think
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about the greatest leaders we produce jesse jackson number three harriet tubman number four. so i think he is an incredible and powerful figure. frederick douglass says out c outfits the child for slavery that is one of the greatesty. minds what reading or literacy will do it will make them uncomfortable to be a subordinate and not burning your way out of it is the most brilliant approach it was updated who said for your mind and your will follow. [laughter] so for me frederick douglass was extremely important so to talk about virtuosity but i talked a lot about virtuosity
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and one of the greatest'v virtuosity rappers who played thomas jefferson in hamilton but he talks about virtuosity in the pursuit who is more virtuous with the word they had frederick douglass? like the negro on the fourth of july to ask questions then poignantly freezing them for subsequent generations to learn from and through his evolution to be more tconservative at the end of his life is instructive how we richer and grow and how things can occur so yes an extremely important figure that thinks of a generation. >> his relevance has faded a bi bit? >> i will be very briefly in
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my book i said intel five years ago james bond was passé. what? but now the group in ferguson and black lives matter and the three sisters at the helm help to revive baldwin because we needed a language. there is junk with every generation but the best of those james baldwin was dragged from historical memory where we have to explain. all he could be explained by both by baldwin in the range of figures but so many of these younger activists activate such profound residence from a previous generation and generations
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that we have to have somebody who was there then help to explain what is going on in james paulson was on the gh -amcutting edge. people were not checking for him are thinking about him the same way social movement that joins like black lives matter did or does the existential witness to the demands of pollock policy -- public policy. healthcare? they don't know what that is. i wish they would have those who are older that talk about self-care? we joke i cannot go to birmingham today i have to take a mental health day. [laughter] you laugh but kanye did i wish a lot of leaders that have now gone the who said no no no have to take care of myself
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because if i don't i'm not good for you. that is what we see performed every day is narcissism. but we can learn about self-care but taking the body infrastructure and anatomy to articulate the meaning of the mlk junior was murdered 39 years old with evil speed across the chasm of space shattered his jot and nipped his necktie his feet were on the ground and abernathy came out of the room from the motel and then extracted from a shirt a card with the mason jar swept the blood of the
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blood of the prophet share for us in the open his body 39 years old and have the heart of a man of 65 that stress and tension and eating all of that together so self-care was a critical moment. so now to join that existential witness.
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fronting right now -- cop fronting right now. -- confronting right now. and so thurman said our slave foreparents imagine ifed a world we can't even begin to then think about with far less resources. so you can't reduce the complexity on the horizon of potential to where we are now. donald trump ain't god. and he's going to be out of office hopefully in a four-year term and certainly in eight. even if it's eight, i know that, but i'm saying oh, we ain't doing the work to get him out. please don't believe that. we're belly aching on the sidelines, but in terms of infrastructures of resistance the, voting is one, right? black women have taught us that. but black women have used voting like a -- [inaudible] like beauty. [applause] like stravinsky, right? be like hank williams, like dolly par parton. so black woman have taught us you can do that even from within the systemic limits that are
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imposed upon voting. they found a way to get doug jones into office in friggin' alabama. and so what you have to say is don't, it's like that saturday night live, you know, thing with -- what was it, was it chris rock and dave of chapelle. and they were there, and the white people were going, oh, my god, it's the worst thing ever. donald trump, i never in history. and they look at each other, yeah, okay. guess y'all forgot about, i don't know, slavery, jim crow, the horrors of black people every day. see donald trump is treating america like a nigga, and the reality is that we use to it. we know what that is. but white folk are going, jiminy cricket -- [laughter]what does this feel like? donald trump is what we've been warning you about for 300 years. >> yes, yes. >> we have been telling you.
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that's what it is, right? [applause] so he is literally the fleshly thesaurus of white supremacy. reduced to one body. narcissistic, self-involve, don't give a dang about nobody else, thinks that his life is the litmus test for what's virtuous. his understanding of patriotism is the exhaustive and exclusive one. so don't make the mistake of believing this is the worst we've been. america goes, oh, my god, now we're post fact. dude, you were post truth in 1619, that was post fact. you said you extracted africans from their resting place at the behest of god to save their souls. you posed fact and posed truth already, right? is what you call salvation indigenous people call genocide. >> yes. >> whites even with the -- look at the confederate flag. look at not only the confederate
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flag, the confederacy. here's post fact, no, the civil war was fought not about slavery, but about states' rights. do you hear what i'm saying to you? states' rights do what? all human beings! so this notion that this is new and i'm amazed that the media is now upset because they're getting treated like the media treated us all along. if it breeds, it leads. bleeds, it leads. the media has done to us what donald trump is doing to them, and now they're outrage. you can't even stop it. they sit there at the press qualifierses with thinly -- press conferences with thinly veiled -- [inaudible] and we're supposed to be empathetic to the fourth estate. and yet that same media crushes us daily, reproducing the pathology of stereotype to make us believe we're -- and black people watch more tv than anybody else, and we abide that poison more than anybody else as well.
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not only hip-hop, but the darn media itself. so don't -- do yourself a favor, don't believe that the whole horizon of possibility is reduced to this moment. see beyond it. there is a new day coming and a fresh reality -- [applause] >> well, that was it. michael eric dyson will be here to sign your book. let's give it up one last time for professor dyson. >> thank you. [applause] >> now look, now i'm a baptist, right? i know this is a high church right here. [laughter] this is what i want to ask.
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this young man didn't even know this, right? he doesn't know this, but i'm a baptist preacher. i'm moved by the spirit, all right? so what i want to do tonight, i don't care what he says, he gotta shut up right now, i want to take up a collection for this young man right here. yeah, no, no. [applause] so i don't know if y'all pass the plate, i don't know how -- y'all got an offering plate here? y'all do that here? i want somebody to get an offering plate, i'm going to dig in my pocket too, i'm going to start it myself. i want you to take up a collection so it can't be taxed, it's all cash -- no, no. [laughter] i want to take up a clerk for deray and the -- a collection for deray and the work he's doing. theoretically, he's on the front line. he came here at tremendous sacrifice, and i just want to, out of the kindness of your heart -- you don't mind me, right? we in a church. i want y'all -- there's the basket right there. [laughter] let me get some more, let me get
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some more. >> thank you. >> all right? >> get some more. so i'm going to pass, get your offering ready, your checks, your credit cards, we even take food stamps. [laughter] all right are, thank you. look at there, money. we want money. i want y'all to pass this down. >> thank you, sir. >> you know what? do it like you're doing in church. everybody just march up here. that's what i'll do. y'all come up row by row. i'm getting some dough. y'all come on. here you go. >> we'll form the signing line down the aisle to my right. so, please, head towards the back of the hall after you make your donation and join the signing line. okay, jim will be holding the basket here in the center. ..
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