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2018. ♪ >> welcome to the debate. arizona public meeting, tonight's moderator is lorraine. >> good evening. candidates for arizona's governor and democratic challenger. thank you for being here. here's the studio, political reporter christopher in our debate partners. and joe ferguson of the arizona daily star. before we begin, here are the rules for the night's discussion. each candidate will get 92nd opening statement. our journalists will ask questions. the questions will be direct to

one candidate who will have one minute to respond. the other candidate will have 30 seconds to rebut. both candidates will have 45 seconds to respond. will alternate who gets each question and strictly enforced the time limits. mr. garcia. >> thank you. excited to be in tucson tonight. i'm david garcia. i am running to be governor of my home state. my story is arizona. the fourth generation arizona. the first and last to go to college, army veteran, a teacher and a father of two amazing girls. i am writing to build the state that billed me. at the end of four years, the administration is leaving behind a slew. past broken promises. our state is not secure.

we are unable to patrol our highways 247. leaving behind the rest of us. he has been ineffective because he is a follower and not a leader. he is not looking out for all of arizona. we need somebody from us, for us. somebody who is ready to fight for the working people of arizona. i will be that governor and i look forward to earning your vote. thank you. >> thank you mr. garcia. >> thanks, lorraine. i'm doug ducey in behalf of my wife, we'll be married 28 years. my sons, jack joe and sam. it is my honor to be the governor the past four years. i work hard to bring principles to the government. it was -- our beverage it was

broken, education -- our economy was flat. today our budget is balanced. the lawsuits are behind us and our economy is booming. to a degree where we can deliver teacher pay raises of 20% to our public k-12 education, teachers with more to do. our relationship with mexico is never been better, and we are able to focus on border security. i'm running for governor because i want to secure arizona's future and there's a lot more work to do. i bend so than ever arizona 56 times. i realize the issues in tucson and pima county are special, unique and different. i'm looking forward to the discussion about what we've been able to do to get arizona

heading in the right direction and i would like to do it for the next four years. thank you. >> thank you. onto the questions. this round will be on education. the first question goes to mr. garcia. >> at the end of the last school year, teachers walked off the job, asking for a 20% pay raise. if arizona were to get more money for k-12 education, knowing that money doesn't always improve things, what requirements would you put on the spending for additional dollars and what requirements would you put on specific district for spending those dollars? >> to begin, you have to understand that the at the end of four years, when doug walked in, our education was in crisis. it still in crisis today. thousands of teachers, the largest walkout in history happened.

this is not about just teacher pay raises. educators made it clear that they are looking to improve public schools. it includes teacher pay raises, it also encloses dollars for the education support professions that make our schools great cases to teach and learn. that is the reason why they are looking for and prevent. and everyone who helps our students. the first person my daughter greets every day is my hit daughters bus driver. we need to move to become the most innovative schools in the country. stepping away from our -- >> thank you. you have 30 seconds for a response. >> i came into the office four years ago. 1 million-dollar deficit. we settled that and able to extend proposition 301. we got a 21% pay increase for our teachers and we got a teachers academy that's going to help solve it. there is so much more we can do

with k-12 education but we have a momentum right now. i want to build on the the momentum. what you didn't hear from him was a plan. there is no plan that he has get for k-12 education. we are going to deliver that 20% pay increase for our teachers. >> when teachers watch out of the classroom asking for that 20% raise, you initially indicated they understood the education funding. hopefully they did come over the plan for close to 20% over the course of three years. the question is, how are you able to change gears so swiftly to find that money? >> i'm on the side of the teachers. i've been working very hard to get more money into the education, that's why we work so hard on the initiatives. we were able to get a 20% pay increase, advance appropriated to our teachers because our general fund. our economy is booming right now.

the cdl put out a report on april 11, $1.5 billion surplus in the state of arizona and what i wanted to do was communicate to our teachers the commitment that we will make for them going forward. i was able to talk about restoring additional assistance. hundred million dollars last year end $371 million over the next four years. more is needed but we are off to a good start and we are getting these dollars to our teachers in southern arizona as well. >> you have 30 seconds mr. garcia. >> it's an example of him being a follower, not a leader. educational funding has been a problem since the beginning of his administration. prior to teachers working out, all he said he could afford was a 2% raise over four years. it was only after pressure and political pressure of losing his position that he suddenly found

the courage to do something at that. i do have a plan. we have a detailed plan since march and i look forward to sharing it with my borders. >> can i address that? what we are able to do in terms of teacher pay from 2015 to this last session was a 9% increase. these were dollars available for teachers salaries and for hiring teachers. the 2420 plan happened after that. i was in a straitjacket. our economy was flat, we had a 1 million-dollar budget deficit. they solve problems and then the address needs. i'm thrilled we were able to get this dollar to our teachers. >> let's move onto the next education question. for mr. garcia. >> 50% of arizona send their children to a school outside of

their district. that translates into parents wanting twice and why shouldn't a child go to support their education? >> the school choice is something that parents are certainly looking for. but i look at school choice differently. one of the things that i believe the legislature has gone wrong is they believe the only parents who have taken their children out of public schools in someway have made a choice. that's not true. we have hundreds of thousands of parents who are choosing to be in traditional public schools. i am one of them. i believe that the legislature needs to honor their choice as well. so for my perspective, parents going to the neighborhood school is a choice. we need to honor that choice. in terms of money, what has been clear is that the governor, put forward a plan to expand scholarships.

effectively doctors. it was brought on by outside interest who pushed them to do this in the people of arizona put it on the ballot because it is not right for our state. the parents of arizona said they are ready to invest in our public schools that of having dollars exit the private schools. >> you have 30 seconds for a response. >> we put together a website because david is going to say a lot of things today that is deceiving. fact check the fact of the matter is i'm for more choice, david is for less choice. i want to see more choice for our parents. i want parents to be about to send their children to the school they want like to send them to. we have 1.1 million public school children and have access to education. that's what we will work on and continue to work on. >> we are sticking to the one minute response.

>> if you go to this website, take a look at what it says about the character of the man. after four years, what he is resorting to is negativity and an amateur is kid site. he does not have a record to stand on. i it's disgraceful and i think it's a kind of negativity that people are finished with here in arizona. >> the facts matter. if you want the facts, go to fact checked garcia.com. judge for yourself. you are a college professor and understand the importance. you can get the facts. >> i want to honor the one minute rebuttal. the next response is from -- >> with get back to empowerment scholarship. the bill that was passed by the legislature that is been referred to three or five. many of the republicans say they

are campaigning against it as our national school choice groups. where do you stand on the expansion of empowerment scholarships at this.and if voters overwhelmingly reject that measure, will you commit to not signing any legislation to expand on the scholarships? >> let me explain these educational, we don't have vouchers in the state of arizo arizona. the supreme court's already ruled on this. they already exist in our state. there are stories like kathy whose son was diagnosed with cerebral palsy and autism. he is benefiting from the education available from these accounts. there was a great article up

north about a young man who's blind, who's a freshman and scored two touchdowns this last weekend. his educational savings accounts paid for his braille books. david would take away these savings accounts. doug would expand those savings accounts. not everyone is an population that's best for them. i'm a yes on proposition 305. but regardless of what happens with the vote, there's going to be more work that needs to be done in terms of school reform. >> i believe parents do need to make a decision. it's the parents who brought proposition 305 to the ballot. i'm against proposition 305 but let's be clear that empowerment scholarships work just like vouchers. they take money out of public schools and put them into private schools. the end result, what doug wants is to privatize our public education system. if that happens, we are going to have is his idea for have's and have-nots immediate. i'm going to do everything i can to make sure it doesn't. >> i got to address it. david on the record that he is against all yes is.

he would elevate all accounts. that would take the dollars away from the jordan or this young man in his braille books. i it's a bad book. you can help kids that need it. i would to see every kid in our state have an opportunity to and education. sometimes choice can be part of it. we can tech protect our system doing that. >> let's move on. this one is for you mr. garcia. >> they have pushed for charter school reform. if elected, what would you as governor take in the legislativ- >> this is another example of doug being a follower and not a leader. the issues going on with charter schools is in respect to the self-dealing, millions of

dollars going to ceos instead of classrooms has been in place the entire four years that he has been in office. only now is he talking about reform for charter school and accountability. as a follower not a leader. i will say the same thing i've been saying. we need more transparency and accountability for charter schools. so we have an understanding who is self-dealing who the bad actors are and how they are being followed. on the other hand, we need more flex ability for our traditional public schools to innovate. so they can have a chance to create innovative schools, for example like in downtown phoenix. they have created an academy. we need that kind of flex ability for traditional public schools. one set of rules for all schoo schools. >> i'm a fan of public district schools and i'm a fan of charter schools. i as part of the reason arizona kids are improving than any

other kids in the country. we do need reforms, i would like to address that. transparency, accountability, financial reporting and how boards are put together. david made -- may be able to speak more to this than i am. he served on a charter school board, he missed more than half of the meetings. >> alright the next question. >> some of the state business leaders have been outspoken in calling for increasing sales taxes to bring more money into k-12 education. is there any circumstance where you support create funding for k-12? >> i want to see more funding for k-12. we put 2.7 billion additional dollars into k-12 education. we put a million dollars from a bonding perspective. this is from good budgeting, being responsible and having a

growing economy. now that it is growing, it is a time for tax reform. when you look at our income tax, sales tax and property tax, it gets us the opportunity to reform it, in a way that can bring additional dollars into our k-12 education system. also having a growing economy. i plan is dramatically different, but my approach pan, like to double income taxes in the state of arizona, putting us at the level of the new york, massachusetts. i believe it would kill arizona's economy. it would fly over us to taxes texas or nevada. >> mr. garcia, 30 seconds. >> we are a hundred million dollars short of a 2008 level. there have been locked of room

to grow. doug has mentioned several times that he is referring to the act. it was taken off the ballot by his up in court. it only apply to 1% of arizona. i'm not in favor of raising taxes on the middle class, i am in favor of a direct funding source which is what our teachers have been demanding. >> i got to address that. >> we have to move on. >> this question is for both of you. we talked a lot about education funding in the last few minutes. in addition to funding, what is anything needs to change in arizona's education system? >> you have 30 seconds. >> david's plan was to double our taxes, that was his education plan.

he tried to mislead the voters. the supreme court caught him and it was removed from the ballot. another is no plan. more funding is needed, more funding will be available. our general fund is at a record high. in addition, we need to address the teacher shortage, the teachers academy, we need to get more dollars into classrooms, i think there are other things we can do to reform our system so that we can help his tricks consolidate from a contractual basis. janitorial, maintenance, food service so we can push costs out of administration and get the dollars into the classroom for our teachers to benefit our kids. >> mr. garcia 45 seconds. >> the most important aspect of of education, the classroom. somebody with the teachers commitment to education. we need to do a his owner is back away from our assassination with standardized testing. there are multiple multiple choices in life. the region and state that gets on this to lead the rest of the

world. we need innovation back to the class. creativity back to the classroom. focus on real world outcomes and make a difference in students lives. in addition to salary, one of the reasons we leave, we boxed them in. under my administration, we are going to let them teach again. >> a reminder that each of you have one minute to answer each question. followed by a 32nd rebuttal. we are going to switch over to border security. the first question is from ste steve. >> you have made comments of replacing isis. is it jeopardizing the public and as a quick follow-up, you have an alternative plan? >> both of those things are not true. i'm against trumps wall because it is an ineffective use of resources and it's the wrong message to send to our stating partners the south, mexico. in addition, we are talking about isis because of the

cruelty they have been inflicting. separating families and i will always stand up against the separation of families. beyond what i said, let me tell you what i've done. i took an oath when i was 17 to join the army. when i joined the military, protecting the constitution. i take it seriously to this day, i will take that oath with me to the governor's office. with respect in protecting arizona, we need to do, he needs to do our job. they made it clear that as 247. our highways are still patrolled for four hours because my opponent doug has not provided the funding. as he said he would. >> the fact of the matter is, today our highway state troopers endorsed my campaign. they are a fan of what we are investing to the public safety,

i top priority of six governors office. we got the border, national guard to the border, we are not asking to abolish ice like mr. garcia is. we are not asking to remove a wall in our southern border were all of these poisonous drugs are coming through, you can hear mr. garcia. fact check.com. >> the border strike force is credited with high drug arrest. you said the. the department of public safety does not patrol from midnight to 6:00 a.m. for you saying they are wrong? >> i'm saying we are at we have law enforcement 24 hours but with our border strike force and with our arizona street

troopers, endorsed my campaign today, for our stance on public safety, we have prioritized focusing on drug cartels, human trafficking and child trafficking. i want these brave men and women in uniform, a real congratulations. they picked up over 200 pounds of methamphetamine. a pound of fennel is lethal to over 170,000 arizona's. they kept those products out of our high schools and out of our neighborhoods and out of ameri america, of course we want to continue to restore additional funding into public education safety. we have needs and education in our teachers as well. >> mr. garcia, 30 seconds. >> another example of a broken promise. when he came into office, he said his priority and it was going to be 247 patrol. you can have a strike but if you are leading our highways open for four hours a night, they're

using our highways to get in. i will make that our priority. i know the foundation of protecting is doing our job. >> where you take the money from? >> five interruptions so far. it's the same pattern we saw laughing. >> let's move on. this one goes to mr. garcia. >> they recently rejected a $1.4 million, single largest border patrol. should they reject that funding and what do you say to the backlash from residents who disagree with the decision and say that is making the county less safe? >> we need to continue to think about here. also take into consideration

where are our priorities? my perspective, the state needs to continue to work with local law enforcement. honor their decisions and honor their request. in this respect, if you some perspective, the border strike force is 30 or 40 people that come along every once in a while according to the you me county sheriff, i will always look to them, for their input, with respect to what they believe and do our part at the state. i think that this is a situation where they made a decision with themselves and as a state they need to work with local authorities. honor decisions and work together. >> david speeding up on law enforcement is getting old. the brave men and women on the border strike force, put on a uniform every day and put themselves in harm's way. they don't come every now and again, they are focused on the drug cartels, human trafficking and the child trafficking that is happening in our state.

the results have been very good. i don't know why puma county would attract funding in the state, funding is a top priority, they should accept those dollars and protect this county. >> with continue on with border security. >> would you instruct the public safety to use what they have decided not to use and how would you use it? >> we do have needs and public safety, we have needs with our state troopers. we want to make sure that our highways and byways are safe but we also want to go where the crime is. i lead this to the experts, border sheriffs, expert men and women in our department of public safety. but of course, i want to see all 15 counties a is owner protected. i want to see pima county, there

are issues and different and unique because of the traffic that happens from bad guys. the drug cartels and the human trafficking so of course, we are going to work in that partnership past fashion that we have since i came into office partnering with our border agents along with the state troopers, local, law enforcement with the focus on stopping the drug cartel coming into our state. >> he mentioned with a crime is. they move away from the border quite a bit. they spend time in maricopa county. the key here is to keep arizona safe, we need to them to do their part. front of them to patrol our highways 20 for seven. it will be my priority because it is what our border county sheriffs are asking the state to accomplish. as governor, it will be my priority. now that the end of the term with the broken promise but at the beginning. >> we've been talking about the

border sheriffs a little bit now. both vocalized concerns about the raw strike force. >> i was just in human county spending time with the sheriff, we had a month wonderful morning together. they found a tunnel that had been dug under the border where they were delivering drugs in the state of arizona. they expressed expatriation for partnership at the state level. i understand our border sheriffs are independent, elective leaders in our state. it's taken a while for everyone to accept what we are doing but we have, a state, a partnership. we'll have the worst like it has happened many other states.

working with law enforcement to stop the drug cartel from and human trafficking. >> the sheriff has been critical because they are asking the state to cringe patrol the roads 247. that commitment that the governor to keep arizona safe. it was sheriff who mentioned a thousand different law enforcement officials in the county on the border working and when the border. we need to make this clear and simple so that those at the border who are doing the hard work, by the way, i find it interesting that the man prancing in front of those who do. you may not understand that it's simpler, it's as simple as this. you do your job. they are asking is 247 patrol.

>> i honor your service and i thank you for it. i'm proud of my background as a businessperson. but the selection is going to be decided on the issues of the future. i think it's important that our viewers know that if you hire people in your campaign, they post on social media, they called the united states country and they post things with other groups that have been endorsed by and say f the border patrol and then they protest. it seems to me that the real issue is the law enforcement. : : : has hired in his administration his department heads are otherwise state officials have been under investigation for misconduct. seven. those are folks that are

looking out or supposed to be looking for arizona. that is not a besides principle, and that's not running the state as a business. with respect to the stafferse, she's a young staffer who made a mistake and is going to learn from it, but your decisions have hurt arizona. >> moderator: i was about to thank you gentleman for looking you to -- we're halfway through, you have one minute to answer each question. 30 seconds for rebuttal. we're going to go book to questions. the next round of questions will relate to the challenges of state and local budgets. >> mr. garsya, whyicide the state balance originateinated here, you know the value of tracting jobs from california for example, but what is the level investment should be focused on that? >> on -- attracting outside of companies, i'm not sure about the question. >> would you like tee me to

repeat it sir. >> how should the state balance its -- with we know the value of state tracting jobs from california, for example, but what level visibility should be focused on that. >> key issue for economic development in arizona is education. and investing in education. doug doucey talked about people coming from outside of arizona, the 120 plus a day. but i'm going to be focused on the 7 million people inside arizona. our fellow residents. the path to economic development to balance out attracting companies from outside of arizona as well as developing thranlt within arizona is investigate in our human capital. it gins with k-12, but it certainly extends to the community colleges who are excellent drivers for high-tech manufacturing jobs, for example, and then investing in our universities as places for research and development and innovation. the path and one of the things we've been missing most from an economic

development standpoint is an investment in education, so that the people of arizona can develop -- start businesses that build and stay here in arizona, and we can have the workforce that can attract highways jobs to our states. >> i'm proud that tucson is experiences the fastest job growth it's had in six years, and i think the question was about our economy. i want to see the people inside the state have more opportunities. i want opportunities for all of our citizens. and we've got the third fastest wage growth in the country in the state of arizona, and then i also want to tract opportunities to come here. i am proud of caterpillar, and comcast, and amazon, and rating yawn's expansion in southern arizona. i focused on that so you can have an improving k-1 education system and an economy that's booming providing jobs for our kids, a governor has a balance different priorities, economy, education, and public safety have been what we're working on in the ducey

administration. >> moderator: let's move on to the next question, this one from criminal negligencefer conover, this one is for you mr. ducey. >> mr. ducey you say arizona is often for business, that's included a lot of derepetition. what is the definition of open for business? >> great question chris, arizona is open for business. we had 240,000 new private sector jobs come to the state of arizona in the last three years. we had 30 companies that have expanded or relocated here. the last time our unemployment rate was this low, the people were renting their movies at block buster. people are leaving places like california. the pain level is too hi, the cost of living, the oppressive taxes, the regulations. in arizona we've sumplified and improved our tax code. we've eliminated 676 regulations. we've made it a higher quality of life, a better place to live in the game of states people won't vote for with their feet and arizona is winning. we're one of the top

five faster growing states in the country. this is where there's a real differentiation between myself and my opponent. his plan is to double income taxes in arizona. those businesses and investment they'd be going to november, or text which has a 0 income tax so there's a real choice here. >> the reality is tucson is nearly at the bottom of almost all economic indicationers. they're not growing to the extent the rest of the state is and when you look at these numbers, let's put them in perspective. arizona is growing but so is the rest of the country. nearly every state. and compared to our western neighborhoods at the end of 2017, arizona's job growth rate was behind every single one of our neighbors with the exception of new mexico, and the number one reason, lack of a highly skilled workforce, it is what we need to focus on this state for arizona to prosper moving forward. >> right now question.

>> mr. garstya how would you manage the states if you're to spend it how would you ensure the future availability of a rainy day fund or something similar. >> with additional revenue at we come into our state as we continue to invest in arizona and its people, we are going to build the rainy day fund so that it's made available. it has helped arizona in many circumstances of difficult times, and we are going to invest those doctors in public education. it will be my priority. it is what our teachers are asking for so they don't have to work two or three jobs anymore. it is what our parents are asking for so we no longer have overcrowded classrooms. it is what we need from an economic development standpoint so we can invest in the human capital in arizona. this is particularly important here in tucson. where the university of arizona has and should continue to be a strong economic driver, and the way you ensure that is to invest our resources back into education, back into the people of arizona,

so that we are developing that workforce. >> moderator: mr. ducey, 30 seconds. >> i don't know if david isnentially deceiving the viewers or not, what he's saying is unpatently untrue. we've updated fact check garsia.com, so people can get the real facts. our general fund does have a surplus, it's because our economy is booming, we have more job reiterates that are coming here, and there are fatter pay changes for our citizens. i want to see those dollars going into the classroom, rewarding our teachers, providing public safety, addressing child safety but we have leads like traption in our state, that's the economic backbone in our state. we'll make responsible decisions how those dollars are invested. >> mr. do ducey you're fond of saying government at the speed of business. you signed a bill, lobied by companies that the

companies sell blood tests without a prescription. they ended up paying millions to residents. you asked uber to remove its self-driving card fer cars. is the speed of business too fast when it comes to the people's safety and economic safety when entrusted to the government. >> the first priority is to protect public safety. why we have regulationicize to protect public health and safety. we lose over 800 arizonaens a year on our highways due to human error from drivers. i want to open up the innovation for this technology of autonomous vehicles to come here, and google, and gm, and toyota have done that. uber did that, what happened in that accident was tragic. uber's rights have been revoked in the state of arizona, but i want to see the 38,000 people that die in avoidable

accidents across the united states i want to see that problem solved. and when there's bad actors. when companies misbehave there will be accountable, and there was accountable for -- not only did the attorney general get involved, as you said the company's now out of biz. but we still want to be a welcoming place to medical voavgzs in the state of arizona while operating expensing public health. >> this is another broken promise. he says public safety is number one yet he has put arizonas at risk. and he is setting arizona up for a broken promise. on the one hand he's talking about 2020 in a future budget and infrastructure, and public safety, but candidate ducey said he would lower income taxes to very eo as possible. those two things don't add up, there will be a broken promise there, because doug doucey puts himself to be in a position for broken promises for arizona.

>> moderator: all right gentleman, we're on the home stretch here, any oanchs will come out of closing statements. let's continue with a question from christopher con every. >> mr. garsya we talked about transportation, you both have tonight. many counts especially those in southern arizona are struggling with road rare p. would you support an increase in the sales tax on gas, the state's portion to help pay for it road reconstruction and maintenance? >> let me start by indicating how important roads are for rural arizona. many towns in arizona the road in is not only a pathway, it is the lifeline to economic development. and highway funds have been stripped from our budget for several years now. i know they were starting to return, but there is still much more work to be done for rural radars. wrptd to range the gas tax xter is an issue, brought up by several people in rural arizona because

they're looking for options. they're looking for options because what the state has routinely done pass along budget cuts that go to cities and towns, and counties and they have to make up the difference. we are making it harder on them because they have to back-fill those budget cuts. and so rural arizona is a number of ideas and we're going to listen to them, but ultimately, what they're saying is they need investment at the state level. they need to stop the tax cuts at the top, and start investing in all of arizona. >> billion ducey, 30 seconds. >> now that our budget has available dollars we have gun to reinvest in roads. the infrastructure is the backbone of our economy. we werably to accelerate $134 million for sr-is 89 and we have additional dollars available. we also stopped the sweep of the her funds, we are also going to be able to work with washington, d.c. department of transportation in terms of

federal things like i-11 in the state of arizona. we're not going to raise gas taxes especially when letting cars are what's coming next. >> this mr. ducey how would you define a livable wage and how do you help more arizonaens reach that level. >> i want to see opportunity for all of our citizens and i believe there is dignity in all work. steve my a dad was a cop my mom was a waitress. they raised myself, my brother, and my sister. and they did a pretty good job. i want to see people be able to climb the economic ladder. so right now we have more jobs available in the state of arizona than we have people that are available to fill them. i want to see an economy that can be noaived and nimble and tract companies here, and can let entrepreneurs bring their ideas to market. so i want to see everyone be able to climb that economic ladder, o of course that livable wage is going to be different for

different people in different stages of life. but what i want to see is that opportunity for people to earn, to have a good job, good habits and good decisions that come from having that job that can be turned into a fulfilling career. that's what we're doing by rerestoring the k-12 education funding, and people have skills and pursue happiness in the marketplace. >> i believe that a livable wage in my opinion is after a full week's work, 40 hours, you have the money necessary that you need to raise a family. and this is particularly important to our teachers. because i want to make sure our teachers are treated as professionals. that they're not working two or three jobs. our standard, if we want to keep the best and brightest in arizona classrooms is to ensure that teachers don't have to do that. they can stay in the classroom, work one job, and continue to raise a family. >> and now for a follow-up question from steve goldstein of

kjjggz, you will each have -- >> gentleman, where do economic development and education intersect. we've heard about arizona state university being innovate universities, but where is state support coming from? >> higher education and economic development intersect because it is the human capital associated with our universities and the human capital associate would our graduates that attracts companies to arizona who have high-tech jobs. our universities in particular need to be areas of noavgdz. but if goes beyond that. our community colleges which were zeroed out under dug deucee are the key economic driver. it was the place where most students begin their higher education journey and to keep college costs tomorrow and to continue to focus on a highly skilled workforce we need to invests invest in community colleges. community cleenlz are -- can develop a strata of hi wage jobs in manufacturing, robotics, and

health sciences that can help drive our economy. so it is through higher education that you're able to tract the talent to arizona. >> as a proud entrepreneurial fellow frontal the elder school of management of course i think our universities are critical. and i'm very proud that i served on the board of regents that brought bobby robins to the u of a, and i plod him on a great start at the university of arizona. we also have michael crow, at arizona state university, and rita chang, we see our units have been recognized as the most innovate universities in the nation four years in a row. beating out places like mit, and standferred. and was also happy we were able to advanced f advance a $1 billion bond so that these fine president don't have to play mother may i into the future. they can have the judgments to bring in the technology and innovation that they need in the 21st century

economy. >> moderator: we have 15 minutes remaining, our final group of questions assortment of issues facing arizona. >> this question is actually for both of you mr. garsya you get to answer first. what is disappearing commodity. we live in the dessert. years ago tucson paid residents to get rid of their lawns, would you support a state law requiring the same for the rest of the state including phoenix and maricopa county? >> if i could think of an issue that keeps me up at night, it's water. water is the life-blood ofars and it's one we cannot play politics with water. this is another example of my opponent and a broken promise. water has always been an issue in arizona and it will continue to be. and yet my opponent has politicized this issue by failing to bring all parties to the payable in the beginning of his administration. he's going to say, that it's starting to

happen now but it's another half-measure, arizona has been a leader in water. and i will continue to lead going forward. one of the first things we will focus on is bringing all parties together and working on addressing arizona's drop contingency plan, working on conversation measures and building the trust and transparency that arizona leadership hases has shown in the past. of that we will listen to everyone involved in local constituencies to make that decision. >> arizona is among the best in the world at water. second possibly only to israel we stand on the shoulder of giants. people like -- john roads, it's part of the reason i asked senator john kyle to replace the irreplaceable senator john mccain because he is a water expert now back in the united states senate. there are things we need to do to address the

water needs from a reform perspective, and a generational perspective. we'll have the reforms done in this next section through the drought contingency plan. >> mr. garsya. why isn't arizona as leader as many people think for solar energy and how important is solar, how important is alternative nrchg. >> let me start by noting another broken promise on behalf of my opponent. this is a major issue. water was a major issue when he walked a in the door and he is promising another administration to solve it. it is a common theme on v of a broken promise and half-measure with respect to solar energy. arizona should be a leader in solarrer energy. we should be a solar super power, and from my perspective we are going to focus on solar energy and rue erenewable energy sources because beyond water we need to look at the sustainability and

long-term suspects of our economy and of our energy structure. it has not come about because we have particularly energy companies locally who are not investing as much as they need to in every day arizonaens, and we need leadership that is going to break it a priority that we become a solar super power. focus on solar energy, because for me personally we need to leave this behind, an arizona that we found it, on behalf of our generation, and for kids like my daughters. >> my policy on energy is all of the above. i want to see solar, i want to see wind, i want to see innovation and technologies come to oors. but my first concern is for the arizonaens that are on a fixed income. the arizonaens that are vulnerable and living paycheck to pay check. my opponent supports an initiative that would raise the cost of energy in our state $1,000 per family and take a tremendous amount of money out of our public k-12 education

system. so i want affordable and accessible energetic energy and i want clean energy. >> okay, thank you our next question from joe ferguson for mr. garcia. >> the nuclear plant is clean energy. would you believe it should be counted as a clean form of energy. >> in this discussion i've heard both sides, that it should or should not be included as clean energy. the key here is renewable energy is what we're focusing on so that we can have an energy sought source that continues to renew itself. and contribute. my focus is going to be on solar, it is low-hanging fruit in arizona, and it's that way because we have so much solar resources. let's start there. let's work on solar energy. i am in favor of proposition 127, because we need to do more in energy. look, one of the things you get with do you go ducey is a lack of imagination. and telling us over and over again what we can't do, instead of focusing on

what we can, in terms of energy we can do more in solar energy, we need to do more in solar energy, and the governors o ducey continues to on what we can't do. and. >> i believe that nuclear energy is clean independently, and when david garcia asks you to imagine whawbts possible what you can imagine is a $1,000 tax increase because that's what would happen if proposition 127 would pass. it's not only for each family, imagine what that would do to our schools in terms of taking dollars that could be going to our teachers or classrooms. so what i'm going to do is bring a common sense approach to allow renewable saids improves our environment, our water and our air, and our environment, but we can do it in a way where it's not mandated at the ballot box. >> all right this next question is from christopher conover. >> mr. ducey the navajo

generating station is no longer for sale and set to be converted to natural gas. that will cost jobs on the navajo reservations what can be done to help the members of those tribes who rely on the generating station and the related coal mines for jobs, and how would you pay for that state help? >> first i want to say we know about the economy here in southern arizona. we know what's happening in maricopa county and phoenix, we do need to focus on our rural areas and tribal lands. we have the arizona assets money available, and we have opportunity zones something with the federal tax reform that's available in the state. so i want to focus on these issue and we're seeing successes in pinel counties and i want to see the same opportunities happening in our rural and tribal areas. i'm working with our arizona

commerce authority so that we can build on the successes that we have in the state of arizona, that we can have a tax code and a regulatory environment that not only brings businesses to the state of arizona in these places, but also allows people in those places to create their open companies to build their own businesses, and to have that type of environment. >> this is another example of doug doucey being a follower. solar energy had been an opportunity for arizona for a very long time. only after the voters of arizona, the citizens of arizona put initiative on the ballot is he coming out and saying something about it. in addition we continue to hear the same g-loom and doom rhetoric from mr. ducey. he said after going back to proposition 206, the minimum wage increase that it would crush arizona's economy and that's is not what happens. with respect to the navajo nation we should focus on a transition to solar. >> moderator: gentleman we have a few minutes remaining, our final follow-up question.

>> school safety was a priority for many voters. the legislature failed to pass a school safety plan this year. if you are governor next we're what will you do to get a plan through. what will that plan look like, and will it include firearms in the classrooms held by teachers? >> school safety is a priority for me we put the arizona safe schools plans forward. we were able to get some of it pass i want to tell you how i did it. i was in washington, d.c. at the governor's meeting. rick scott was in the aftermath of parkland. i thought why do governors always be reactive on this. let's be pro active in the state of arizona. we put together a plan that when it comes to life could stop, privilege, or avoid every mass shooting since comcolumbine. it includes school resource officers. this is a real difference between david and i. he would remove scol resource

ourselveses. his plan is kids should run for cover. i want to make sure our schools are safe, if there is a shooting the first person you're going to call is the police department, why would you remove them from campus if you could have them there? >> this is another failure on behalf of doug doucey. he started talking about gun safety and school safety, after a march for our lives, thank you to all those young people that made this an issue. he is following this issue because it is going to hurt him politically, and he's yet to meet with the young people for solutions. we want to talk to the students that are in them. i'm against more weapons on campus what we need are eyes and ears, more guidance counselors, more opportunities for our young people to go to. we have one of the highest student to guidance counselor's ratio in the country. if for every guidance counselor they serve over 900 students, we need to begin there, and not follow

this issue with another broken promise. >> moderator: gentleman, thank you for honoring the format, and that is all the time we have for questions. you will each have one minute for closing statement. >> thank you for the opportunity to to be here tonight. i'm david garcia and i am running to invest in our schools. i am running to stamp ow corruption at the state level and i am running to make sure we build a state that works for all of arizona. what we need more than anything is opportunity and that opportunity comes through public education. i will invests in public education. we will not have a governor more committed to public education than me. because i know that is the pathway to economic development, and the american dream. we also need integrity. we need a governor that arizona can trust not one that is going to resort to an amateurest hit website at the end of four years to make his case. and we also need a governor who is ready to look out for the people of arizona,

somebody who understands what it means to struggle, and is ready to stand with teachers and working families across the state. i will be that governor, and i would be honored to have your vote, thank you. >> my campaign was endorsed four years ago calling the arizona's governor for tough times. and we've navigated through some tough times together. we've balanced that budget. we put dollar said into k-12 education a 20% pay increase for our teachers and we focused on public safety. i want to secure arizona's future. economically, with our budget, inside our schools, and at the border. i think you can see a dramatic difference between someone who wants to build on the momentum that is happening today in the state of arizona, and my opponent that would go in the wrong direction and make arizona a carbon-cop copy of california i'm asking for your vote tonight. i'd love to be able to

do this job four more years. you can go to dugducey.com. and to fact check what my opponent says, please go to factcheckgarcia.com to get the facts. thanks for spending the evening with us. >> moderator: thank you so much, and that concludes your vote 2018 debate. thanks to our journalists including christopher conover and our partners in tonight's debate, steve goldstein of our sisterstration in phoenix, and can to the candidates, mr. ducey and mr. mr. garcia and thank you for honoring the format of tonight's debate. don't forget you're welcome to visit our website. if you'd like to watch tonight's debate. also on our radio website and remember arizona public media is committed to continuing to honor debate forums through the the leaks cycle leading up to

november. our thanks to you for tuning in online and at home. don't forget leacdz day is on tuesday, november 6 for all of us at arizona public media, i'm lorraine revetta, thank you and have a good night. >> with the control of congress in question this election day, see the commission for yourself on c-span. watch the debates from key house and senate race. make c-span your primary source for campaign 2018. >> pulitzer prize winning author is our guest on in-depth fiction addition. her live call in

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$5,000. this year's deadline is january 20, 2019. for more information, go to our website, student cam.org. >> maryland's republican governor larry hogan is up for reelection, against been jealous, on monday maryland public television hosted a one-hour debate between the candidates. we're bringing it to you as part of our election coverage on part of the c-span networks. >> the 2018 plairld gurenatorial debate reported at the studios of maryland public television, and broadcast without editing in its entirety. >> welcome everyone to the maryland gonenatorial debate, i'm jeff at maryland public television. j