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power to address these problems and to ensure fair play and we take this issue seriously and we are consuming the response we can give to the consultation. >> can the prime minister confirm her deal will leave the united kingdom a rule taker, not a rule maker? in other words a matter of state? is this the best way to get herself out of this mess she and her colleagues caused by allowing the people a vote? >> prime minister? >> i say to the right honorable gentlemen i have given him the same answer to this question on a number of occasions. this parliament gave the british people the vote on whether or not to stay in the european union in 2016. the press people voted. they voted to leave and this
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the best endeavors used in relation to this matter to ensure the future relationship is in place. as i said earlier we are going to be negotiating further details in relation to that future relationship and the determination of both sides expressed in these documents
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that future relationship should be capable of being put into place at the end of the transition period. >> the prime minister made indemnified statement in all circumstances but when people read hundreds of pages of euro speak they will realize we have been sold out by our negotiators who allow the eu to take the needs. will she -- and my coworker sold out absolutely. >> i do not agree with her in relation to the suggestion that in some sense the european union has given nothing to the uk during these negotiations. these have been tough negotiations. the eu has been clear for some
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time that the choice was binary between the norway model and canada model, they accepted that is not the case and there's an agreement for the united kingdom. they said we couldn't share security capabilities and it is clear in the political declaration we have access to certain security capabilities. they said we couldn't preserve the invisible order between northern ireland and islands without fitting the custom territory. that is now no longer the case. these are all issues that are negotiated that negotiated in the interest of the united kingdom. >> the boost to our economy referred to earlier and necessary protection for constituents jobs could only occur if uk industry has a frictionless trade area and cooperation but uk financial
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services need certainty so would my right honorable friends confirm that the future political framework will contain a common rulebook and deep customs arrangement? >> on the outlining political declaration it makes reference to the free-trade areas we will be negotiating with the european union and indeed the need to ensure we have those good arrangements across the border. as outlined in the joint statement outlining this there are two areas where in particular negotiation is continuing, one of them is a decision relation to the trade relationship and the other indicated in my response to the right honorable lady's contract that the aspects of security relationships we are continuing to negotiate but we continue to work on the basis my right honorable friends that about, >> the right honorable lady has
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been a professional colleague for over 20 years and i saw how hard she worked in the 2011 riots. this whole house recognizes the dedication and hard work she has put into this 585 page agreement but because of her huge parliamentary experience they also recognize this agreement does not command a majority in this house and in 10 days to follow for the eu sign of this agreement she will likely face challenges within her own party. in those circumstances in our constitutional arrangements, when politics is broken, one can only put the question back to the british people. >> having had the vote in 2016
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i think the british people will look at this house, this parliament and will say, on the doorsteps and talk to them, actually we have taken the decision to leave, just get on with it, just deliver. >> doctor caroline johnson. >> prime minister, you said it would be our choice whether we go to an mentation period if the agreement cannot be reached but in this document it says protocol gives you a choice to implement the backstop or seek an extension of the implementation period which it does so how is that our choice and not theirs? >> it is our choices which of those we wish to do. it is absolutely right and my honorable friend is right that extension of implementation period does need to have
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agreement with the european union and that is why i described this as a choice. it is up to us to say whether we expect the limitation period to be extended. that extension would be a matter of negotiation. and there are arguments on both sides as we get to that point which of those are preferable for the united kingdom just as there will be arguments on both sides of the european union because it is not actually an area and not a situation for the european union to get into. >> i have a great deal of sympathy for the prime minister, the road set out for her by her own party but the bold choice she is offering is between a deal that is dead before it is read by most
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people in this house or no deal at all. isn't it time now for the british people to take back control from this place, for her to extend article 15 and let the people decide? >> i say to the honorable lady ever for her to the answers i gave previously to that question. >> mister speaker, my right honorable friend tells the house at the end of march we will leave the eu. we also heard from herself and both sides of the house that that is not the case. this deal, with all due respect to my honorable friends, we have no unilateral way of leaving and worse still there is no incentive at all for the eu to let us go.
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>> can i say to my honorable friends we will be leaving the european union on 29 march 2019. after that date we will no longer be a member of the european union. we have agreed in the transition period that the operation the way we operate with the european union will continue very much as it is today and that is in order to ensure there is no cliff edge at the end of 29 march so business can adapt to the changes that come in relation to our future relationship. and that is, i repeat, we will no longer be a member of the european union. >> mister speaker, during the course of yesterday excluding our own cabinet and the prime minister told the house which organizations and individuals on this deal in which the process of hierarchy was applied? >> i say to the honorable lady
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members of the cabinet came together yesterday to look at the withdrawal agreement and outlines of this declaration. the information was made available to members of the cabinet, once it was finalized negotiations carried on up to a late time in relation to those negotiations and the cabinet took its position on the basis of that. >> sir desmond swain. >> why did she say rejecting the deal risks no brexit? can she quantify that and say how it might occur? >> i say to the honorable gentlemen i think he will be aware the lady in the house is heard by a number of honorable members on the opposition bench who do wish to try to ensure we do not leave the european union. i believe it is important that we do leave the eu and do so on the basis of a good future relationship.
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>> mister speaker, it is obvious she's not command a majority in the house, people who supported leave him a this gives power to the eu and support that the deal she's offering is not as good as what we had. we got this position because she has played games with brexit from the beginning including calling a general election in the middle of the negotiation. will she now do the right thing and go back to the people and let them see what is good enough for them? this is not a rerun of the referendum. this one will be based on fact. >> i refer the honorable gentlemen to the answer i gave earlier. >> nick herbert? >> is there not a danger in getting hung up on issues such as the backstop which so immensely important is something we on all sides wish
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to avoid or such as the transition period which by definition, getting hung up on these issues we lose sight of the important issue which is future relationship with the eu. that is what we should be focusing on and discussing it with our constituents expect us to deliver. is it not the case that the vast majority of members of the house however they voted in the referendum voted to trigger article 50 in the public expect us to deliver on that promise and members on this side should be careful what they wish for and making it harder to move to that position. >> can i support the comments my right honorable friend has made? he is absolutely right. there's been a lot of focus and i recognize why there has been a lot of focus because there are genuine concerns about the operation of the backstop and
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referencing the transition or implementation period but what will determine our relationship of the european union for decades is the future relationship we negotiate with the european union. that is what will determine the future of his constituents and my constituents and people across the united kingdom. >> i would like to inform the house we had 50 questions from backbenches. may i appeal to colleagues to put short and pointed questions as exemplified by the right honorable gentlemen from new forest west? >> know deal would have catastrophic consequences for uk manufacturing, this deal will not pass parliament. why does the prime minister persist in seeking to achieve
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the unachievable? every day of delay we are one step closer to the cliff and to go over that cliff without an agreement would be the ultimate betrayal of the british national interests. >> can i say when it comes to the house members of the house will have a choice as to whether to accept the deal. i understand most manufacturers welcomed the deal. they recognize this is a step forward recognizing we can deliver on what matters to them for the future the relationship and future training partnership with the eu. >> many of the questions put by colleagues today would be addressed if there was more detail on the future relationship but it has been the eu negotiators and not the british negotiators who refused to discuss the future relationship before the withdrawal agreement so can i think the prime minister for this outline of the future relationship and can she clarify the we will get more
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detail on that future relationship before the critical vote in this house? >> i am happy to confirm that to my honorable friend as she refers to eu negotiators and many feel they have been looking at more future relationships and they expected but we will ensure more detail to members of the house before the meaningful vote. >> mister speaker, the prime minister said the country faces 3 choices, no brexit, any agreement she is able to finalize with the eu, and no deal and an economic analysis, the impact assessment includes a comparison between the current deal, no brexit and the one before the house in a meaningful vote, we hope that would be unacceptable. >> i say to the honorable gentlemen we will ensure when the time comes for people to advance the time that they will
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make the meaningful vote. and the judgment between the deal that was proposed between alternative arrangements. >> having seen withdrawal agreement, what she has been dancing to. my right honorable friend campaigned to remain. she voted to remain, now surely it is a national interests for her to leave following a transition period. >> to my honorable friend, can i note the way he tried to weave into his sector various references to matters that are not entirely relevant to the agreement and the political declaration so every member of the house has a decision to make when the deal is back. it is important to have a deal
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which does deliver on the vote of the british people which i believe the deal does in a way that protects jobs, protects people security and the integrity of the united kingdom. >> mcgovern. >> it is a sad day for our country. the government is collapsing while we are riddled with poverty and 30% of workers, have no jobs. in the 3 pages here, suggest what will change the fortune of the country for the better. >> i say to the honorable lady we see absolute poverty is at a low. and what we have seen in the figures that came out earlier this week, real wages have been growing faster than at any time in the last decade so the portrayal she set out is not a
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fair portrayal. what is going to ensure and improve the future of the british people, first of all getting a good trade deal with the european union, that is what we are working to and what the declaration sets out but also ensuring we can have good trade deals around the rest of the world but given the bench she sits on, what is necessary for all of that is good economic management conservative government has produced. >> jeffrey clifton brown. >> no doubt my right honorable friend has negotiated the best deal on this agreement that she could. it doesn't please brussels or london and probably doesn't please any member of this house but nevertheless do we not owe it to the british people to carefully scrutinize it together with the remaining documents she will bring back
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in november to see if it is in the best interests of the british people rather than crashing out of the eu with no deal? >> i say to my honorable friend, to fill out the details of future relationship. members of the house to consider those documents when they take the meaningful vote alongside the analysis provided by government since they have full information to take the vote and recall in taking that vote the duty i believe we have to deliver on the vote taken in the referendum. >> it is clear this deal is not as good as the one we currently have. it will make the country worse off and it is clear there is no majority in the house for her deal or no deal and the prime mister will doubt extending article 15 or people's vote. what is the plan in the event of not getting support in the
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house for her deal? >> the honorable lady will know the process set by the house in relation to that matter. can i also say to her that she and a number of other members on the labor benches have been saying today in praising membership of the european union effectively suggesting what we should be doing is setting aside the vote of the british people of remaining in the european union. that would not be the right thing to do. we must deliver on the vote of the bridge people. >> jillian keegan. >> outside in the real world there are many importers and employees depending on us to take responsible steps. with the prime minister agree with tech uk representing 1 million jobs in this country in the fast-growing tech sector, failing to achieve parliamentary approval on the withdrawal agreement would disrupt supply chains and lead to job losses with small and medium-sized businesses being
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the worst affected. >> to my honorable friend, members of the house to vote in a meaningful vote, and would need to recall the duty to deliver the vote of the british people but also look closely at the implications for the vote they are casting. the jobs and future of our constituents that should be at the forefront of our mind. >> sir edward devi. >> given how important immigration was for some voters would the prime minister guarantee that hurt immigration white paper will be published and debated before the meaningful vote on the deal? >> the issue of immigration was important for many people during the vote. they want it to end. it is a end to free movement.
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>> the prime minister for the last 18 months for the agreement. voted for brexit for many weeks, chief among them, the economic decline. does this agreement provide the work for coastal towns like lowes start whether in trade, manufacturing? >> can i say i do believe it does and crucially in terms of fishing out of the csp and able to work to enhance the fortunes of our fishing industry. also alongside this it is important to look at what the government is doing elsewhere for the industrial strategy to be sure we are delivering an economy that looks for everyone in all parts of the uk.
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>> the prime minister has been determined to respect the will of the people. 60% of my constituents voted to leave believing they would be taking back control but this backstop policed by a third party, today she said it won't be used or necessary and will be temporary. in order for it not to be used we have to pay who knows what? massive amounts to the eu, how is making my constituents in the country poorer taking back control? >> the best way of ensuring the backstop is not used is to get the future relationship in place by january 2021. >> mrs. cheryl marie. >> will my honorable friends confirm there will not be access to anyone other than the pitstops in british waters that
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the uk cannot catch after 31 december of 2020 even if the implementation period is extended? >> we have not changed our position. as of december 2020 the uk should be an independent coastal state able to negotiate access to waters for the following year and thereafter. >> thank you. the prime minister has been on her feet for two hours, talked about making difficult choices and also said this was the final deal. with the biggest fall for two years and only we 7 mps in two hours expressing support for the deal after all, can she tell us what she expects to change to break the deadline.
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>> i say to the honorable lady what will happen over the next few days before the special european counsel takes place is the final negotiation in matters relating to future relationship to fill out the details of the future relationship which will show a future relationship which will be good for the uk economy. >> doctor andrew mirus and, houston oh -- personal respect him wherever you stand in this matter. can i urge my right honorable friend, by customs experts and in particular suggestions around facilitation and technical ways of achieving a soft border that does not require a backstop. would she agree with me the independent arbitration panel is bound to find the eu does not negotiate future arrangements with that in mind.
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>> that is the point of good-faith references in the document. may i first say this is the first opportunity i have in this chamber to say heartfelt thank you to my honorable friends for the work he did for the commemorations of the armistice and the first world war, he can be truly proud of all the events and also referenced the issue of alternative arrangements for the border in northern ireland. one of the changes that have taken place the we got into, in the joint statement for the backstop issue, this ability to look at alternative arrangements rather than binary choice of future relationship coming into place, the backstop coming into place.
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the future framework is not in place, it is possible to have alternative arrangements for the border which satisfy the requirement we all have to ensure there was no order from northern ireland to ireland. >> the previous times of national crises we have come together on both sides of the house to resolve the crisis. the prime minister has made clear she will not support extension of article 50, she said we will leave the european union regardless in march next year and also ruled out people's votes. isn't it time she recognized reality and after all prestigious efforts stood aside for someone else to take the country forward in a united way? >> know.
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>> adam holloway. >> mister speaker, does the prime minister feel she listened to her officials while sidelining her brexit secretary and disobeying instructions of my constituents? >> i say to my honorable from the answer to both questions is no. i worked with brexit secretaries and officials in the negotiating team throughout the process and i believe the deal we are proposing to deliver on the instructions of the british people. >> doctor lisa cameron? >> as a psychologist, the prime minister is in denial. however pragmatically the deal has been it doesn't command a majority in this house. if she believes in her deal and wants to give back control will she sent it to the people? >> i refer the honorable lady to the answer i have given earlier on that question.
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>> millions of people up and down the country and, hundreds of thousands of businesses want this house to get on with it. >> could i say to my right honorable friend as she looks to develop the future framework i recognize we will remain within the eu procurement rules during the course of the implementation period, referring to mutual opportunities to go beyond the wto government and procurement agreement. could she give an indication that will include taking control of our own procurement in this country? >> we are developing a framework. >> rachel. >> mister speaker. >> developed faster for the nation. in the high probability this
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deal will not be cast by the house will the prime minister make it her first step to extend article 50 to ensure we don't fall off a cliff's edge? >> the government made clear we would not be extending article 50. >> molly baker? >> the draft agreement states under no circumstances may the united kingdom apply to customs territorial customs tariff which is lower than the common customs tariff or any good import from the third country. with my right honorable and friends agree this is a limitation on sovereignty and limit the opportunities brexit offers? >> can i say what he is talking about is the circumstances in which the backstop in the uk wide custom territories come into play, that is not a
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situation i want to see happen even in circumstances where the future relationship is not in place by december 2020, not necessarily the case the backstop would come into play. if we look at the future relationship he will see there is a specific reference to the independent trade policy for the united kingdom and that is what we are working to ensure we are able to do with trade deals around the rest of the world and that was one of the questions when put forward proposals for the free trade area with the european union and we put forward confident we could do free trade with deals around the rest of the world. >> i agree with the prime minister there are no enemies of the people in this house, there are no traders whatever the national newspapers said last year and every single member will make their own judgment as to what is in the best interests of the country but the honorable member was right earlier, there isn't a majority for what the prime minister is proposing in the
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house. there's a matter of time. time is of the essence. hundreds of sis, lots of legislation and that will be chaos. would it make sense before she goes to the european counsel to have a vote in this house? if she wins she has the support of parliament. if she loses we have to take another tack. >> we will have a vote on the final deal with the council. we have the declaration at the moment we are sending it with further detail for members when they come to that vote. >> bob neil. >> prime minister and i know that politics is about the art of the possible which is why i support the deal and why all the representatives of the financial service industry supported, not least because it creates in their words the
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transition which is vital to take forward complex issues in relation to future relationships, and to thwart this deal, to weigh carefully indeed not just on that key economic area but the rest of the economy as well. >> he is absolutely right is when people look at their decision in relation to this deal is important for individual members to wait carefully, a number of factors and be impacting their decision on financial services secretary, jobs, economy, or one of those. >> my constituency, the best possible brexit deal that will protect industry. this isn't in. just one in the 585 page deal, how can we trust the prime minister, that will benefit my
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constituents, protect jobs, return sovereign see. >> the deal we agreed and particularly the future relationship we are working on to fill out the details, precisely one that will be good for the manufacturing industry across the united kingdom. >> taking control of our borders is a big issue my constituents for the referendum. and in the eu, to fully control our borders again. >> i am happy to give that confirmation to my honorable friends. free movement will end and that is one of the key elements we need to ensure we deliver. >> kevin brennan.
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>> the analogy is an insurance policy. anyone buying an insurance policy would want to know what the excess is on the policy. is she suggesting signing up for an insurance policy where we don't know how much the excess will cost and can't leave the insurance policy without the agreement of the other policy. >> i say to the honorable gentlemen, one of the length of the backstop where in deciding should we be in that circumstance whether the backstop or implementation period would be preferable, one of the elements is in the backstop there is no financial obligation. >> rachel mclean. >> it is impossible for any of us to know what was in our constituents mind when they voted to leave or remain. it was a binary choice on that paper. it is impossible for everybody to get what they once. certain compromises are necessary in the national interests and the prime
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minister has said. will she assure us she will exert every effort to outline the benefits of a future trade deal in the national interests for jobs and the economy? >> i'm happy to give it reassurance to my honorable friend. she's right. the nature of this negotiation is both sides make compromises. that happens when two sides negotiate arrangements such as this but i am happy to assure her we will make clear the benefits of the future trade relationship and trade deals around the world. >> alistair carmichael. >> the response of the scottish fishermen federation, we asked the prime minister for the establishment of a new fisheries agreement, does not imply the eu will continue access to waters in return for favorable trade tariffs. the prime minister gives the
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federation that assurance and if she can, can she explain why it is not in the draft deal? >> i say to the right honorable gentlemen we made clear in the draft deal in relation to fishing opportunities in the outlying political declaration that the united kingdom will be an independent coastal state and that we will be ensuring that we take control of our waters. the united kingdom will be negotiating access to united kingdom waters. >> given there is clearly unease about the non-unilateral ability, we have to discuss what credible circumstances could arise where we would wish to leave and the eu would not wish us to leave.
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the only thing i could see is where we enter into trade talks with another country, for example we were discussing lower standards. does she agree that is highly unlikely, not supported by the public and therefore although it is not impossible is remote to be in the circumstances? >> i absolutely agree it is highly unlikely we will be in that circumstance. he is right that we will not be wanting to lower our standards in any decisions in relation to trade deals but also the backstop is an uncomfortable place for the european union. they believe the backstop has advantages for businesses in the united kingdom and northern ireland, they would not want to see continuing, should we be in that position just as we do. >> sammy wilson. >> the calls make it clear northern ireland stays under eu single markets and will be
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economically separate from the rest of the united kingdom. article 7, 9, 12, show first of all even if the eu allows the uk to leave the single market northern ireland will stay under single market arrangements and any order done in the irish sea will be subject to the willingness of the eu to allow that to be avoided. can the prime minister tell us how she can give an assurance that northern ireland, not only constitutionally separate from the kingdom but economically separate, is this not a case of northern ireland being an object to enter into? >> it is not the case. throughout this discussion, throughout these negotiations the interest of northern ireland have been one of the key issues at the forefront of our minds because of the particular geographical
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circumstances of northern ireland. i say to the honorable gentlemen northern ireland will leave the single market with the whole of the united kingdom. there will be specific alignment which i recognize is uncomfortable. it will be in that portion of the single market which relates to matters that insure friction takes place between ireland and northern ireland. there are already regulatory differences between great britain and northern ireland. there is a question that raised concern whether there will be regulation between great britain and northern ireland. we will make unilateral commitments to northern ireland in relation to that issue because we are talking a temporary period of no regulator he divergence, the checks and controls relate to the divergence. if there's no regulator he divergence obviously that has
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an impact on reducing the necessity for any checks and control and crucially we also want to make sure the eu wanted to say they would determine whether the goods we develop were produced to be sold in belfast. we were very clear the eu could not do that in the future but the uk government makes the determination. >> thank you, mister speaker. thinking hard about what this means for my constituents, many who voted passionately to leave, many others are worried about the impact of leaving on their livelihood. can i think my honorable friend for reconciling those positions in a workable brexit. and a particular interest in avoiding delays at the border so we don't get gridlock in kent, can my right honorable friends and more about the progress made in the relationships with goods.
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>> i thank her for the comment and the recognition that by definition there will be compromised. people voted on both sides of the argument when the brexit vote came and to see the government getting on and delivering brexit. and expressly within the political declaration and fleshing this out in future framework for future framework document. and it is continuing good trading relationship. >> garrett smell. >> my constituents voted to leave the european union. the only way to do that smoothly leaving with a deal. it is clear from the speeches made today that the prime
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minister's deal is not a majority. and also rolled out article 50. and it is a second referendum. it is not misplaced anyway. and the prime minister realizes it would be a catastrophe. and the contingency, preventing a no deal brexit in march. >> the decision will come before the meaningful vote and to exercise their vote according to their confidence and the need to deliver for the british people consideration of the impact of the decision on the future of their constituents. >> i hope my right honorable friend will agree with me that we would be extremely unwise to sacrifice the good on the altar
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of theological sections and if she does agree with me that that principled point, can you tell me if this is a good deal for the farmers and the producers of my constituency of north dorset and the country as a whole? >> i will thank my honorable friends. it is important in approaching this issue of the deal and honorable members when they come to a meaningful vote to look at this in questions of the realities of the impact and the practicality of the deal we will put before the house. and specifically about farmers in his constituency, i can reassure him that in two sentences this is delivered to them. we will come out of cultural policy and deliver our own policy for agriculture that does meet the needs of farmers across the united kingdom and
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secondly when we talk about the border people often talk about manufactured goods, fresh produce across the borders is equally important. >> the local, 200 jobs, 800 job losses. and the referendum, there have been more job losses than jobs created. it is increasingly obvious that my constituents, shouldn't this government, from the lunch. >> on a number of occasions, the honorable lady, i say to her the employment figures we saw earlier this week sees employment at a record high in this country and jobs have been created in this country.
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>> i have a huge amount of respect for my local friends and it gives me no happiness to say this. when will my honorable friend realizes this is not the deal they voted for that they will accept. >> in response to the question, he will have an understanding of the reason behind the vote. and the key issues leaving the european union, we will deliver a movement that they want to see, a end of the court of justice, we will deliver that as well. we will no longer send that amount of money to the european union every year. we will come out of the politics of concern for a long
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time in this country, common agriculture policy and common fisheries policy and we will be ensuring we have delivered on what i believe is a key element of the vote people took. while we do that i think it is also right that we think of people's jobs and that is why it is important we look for good trading relationship with the european union in the future based on free-trade areas enabling manufacturing to continue to operate as it can do today. >> mister speaker, does the prime minister accept she inadvertently misled the nation during her now infamous house speech which appears to offer a utopian vision of brexit designed to appear to both wings of the party, sibley cannot and never did. >> i say to the honorable lady all the speeches i have made
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any decisions government has taken are compatible with the lancaster house speech. the lancaster house at its core set out the new relationship with the european union we have to have a new balance of rights and obligations and that is what we are delivering. >> david duket. >> constituency of my constituency, i welcome my honorable friends, we will be leaving the cfp. the eu means we are out of the cfp in the same way that the eu which is the policy of others means being in the cfp. will she also commit that unfettered access by eu fishing vessels and our ability to control them will not be part of a future trade agreement with the eu? >> we are very clear that we
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will be an independent coastal state. there have been attempts to link fisheries and access to fishing waters to the trade aspects of this negotiation. we have been very clear that we will not accept that, we will be an independent coastal state, the united kingdom determining that. >> adrian bailey. >> our future trading relationships with the eu undermining british business and having a chilling effect on our economic growth. there is absolutely nothing in this so-called deal which actually dispels or resolves the issues that are making for this. will the prime minister recognize instead of negotiating with the economic, cause a tendency on our own party she needs to recheck the side of the house, build a
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consensus or take the issue again to the public? >> what the decision that was taken yesterday actually gives that certainty to business which is why business has been welcoming back deals. richard walker from iceland, a clear marker head that business needs. we see what i quoted earlier, the certainty that our small businesses have praised and there are other questions, the businessman welcomed the fact that we have recognized the needs of the manufacturing industry putting forward proposals for future relationships. >> simon clark. >> i commend the prime minister for what she said to members on our side that haven't called for a politician's vote on the issue of the second referendum. it would not be appropriate at
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this time but it must be said that her words that no deal is better than a bad deal are the words which govern my position today. i cannot support that deal. does she appreciate for many of us it is an impossible position where our loyalty to her and our party is set against our loyalty to our constituents. >> i fully recognize the issue we are dealing with raises difficult decisions to individual members of this house and the choice before members of the house are not easy and i recognize that and if i say it obviously the final deal is brought back to this house individual members will want to look at the details of that and consider obviously at the forefront the interests of their constituents. as i say i recognize this is not an easy decision. i believe what we have
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negotiated is in the best interest of the country overall. we will be looking at more details before the matter comes before the house and i hope members of the house will be able to look at that and consider the various issues they have to do so when they do that but in no way that says this will be an easy choice and i recognize that. >> thank you, mister speaker. i voted to remain, i try really hard to represent everybody, not just the ones that shout the loudest. i truly get an evenly split mailbox from this. i really do. i feel this deal doesn't meet the aspirations of either side, fail to protect jobs in the economy, voting down the irish state. i want to say if the primacy will not listen to labor benches will she not look at the faces of her own side and listen to their words and recognize this is really bad deal? >> this deal does not create --
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it does take the outlying political declaration does take the interests of people's jobs into account in ensuring we are negotiating a free-trade area that will enable good trade relationship to maintain the european union enabling jobs to be not just maintained in the uk but created here in the uk. >> is the prime minister clear how committed are loyal colleagues are. >> i am very clear and i say to my honorable friend i think he and our scottish colleagues on the conservative benches are admirable contrasts who committed to neither ignore the union. >> in the last few months the prime minister lost the bet a quarter of per capita with
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resignations to follow, trashed by sections of the back bench and letters for the honorable member. how many more indignities does the prime minister have to ensure before she considers her position? >> my position is i have only one duty and that is to deliver to the people in the national interests. >> there oliver heal. >> prime minister will be aware, fortunate enough to have major businesses in industries in the aerospace industry working to the motor industry and so on and they rely on having short times for the delivery in parts for that sort, they have integrated manufacturer across europe. prime ministers save she feels
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this agreement she has put before us is going to be in the best interests of businesses like that and all the jobs which rely on them? >> i do believe that is the case. the future relationship with the european union, we have indeed been considering one of the key issues, the need to ensure trade across the borders can continue because many jobs in constituencies around the country depend on that so i can give my right honorable friend that assurance. >> i visited a business recently, they are currently looking at warehouses just outside amsterdam to move their business too. they think the direction of travel this government has taken on brexit will not work for them. it is clear the prime minister is not going to get votes in this house for this deal.
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she has ruled out extending article 50, ruled out general elections, ruled out people's vote, ruled out no deal as well. can i ask the prime minister to categorically state for the sake of businesses that are waiting right now, to know what will happen in the future, what will she do if she loses the vote in parliament? >> i say to the honorable lady if she's concerned, she should look carefully at the future relationship we are developing with the european union. we will allow further details in relation to that but that future relationship will deliver for the businesses, deliver on the issues they expressed concerns about in a way that ensures jobs will be kept in her constituency. >> i congratulate my right honorable friend and say there's much in here that will please my constituents who voted strongly to cut out taking control of the borders.
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may i say to the prime minister i think her tone in bringing this to the house for meaningful vote will be much help if she can flesh out the future relationship. for those of her friends in europe listening to this debate, if they can come to her aid and make it clear they want a future relationship secured before the backdrop comes into play, she has a real chance of carrying this home. >> i think my honorable friend for his comments and i get the reassurance i will be filling out the detail. we will be in the negotiations filling out the details of that future framework so when the house comes to take that vote they will have a better understanding of the nature of the future relationship which is whatever i say that i believe we will be able to deliver for industry across the country, agriculture, fishing
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and security. >> vera haabhouse. >> the fracturing of her own party demonstrates the 17 million people who voted in 2016 were not united in what brexit means and the claim of delivering on the majority vote of the british people is incorrect. >> the majority vote of the british people was to leave the european union and that is what we will deliver. >> kevin? >> thank you, mister speaker. i believe those who voted to leave, a global trading britain which we paralyzed by joining the comprehensive agreement for the transpacific partnership which includes allies including one that is dispensable. reassure me that what she is proposing will facilitate british membership of that agreement.
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>> that reassurance, we specifically looked when we were looking at this proposal as to whether it would be possible to join the tpp and i can give assurance that it would, not only would it be possible to join it but also there are members of the tpp who are keen for us to join such as japan and australia. >> vernon? >> given the fact it is obviously clear from the contributions today and questions of the prime minister that there is not a parliamentary majority for the deal she's bringing forward today, what is the plan the prime minister has got? to wait for the votes to be lost and then panic? the bridge people deserve better than that. the primacy has integrity. she has not got the confidence of this house to put this deal through. there need to be alternatives brought before us in the british people. >> we will negotiate the remaining details of this deal
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and there will be the council on 25 november. that will be brought back to this house. information will be made available to members of the house because that point members of this house will determine whether they wish to support the deal. >> mike would. >> which part of the financial sentiment under the proposed withdrawal agreement would be payable during fermentation period? >> the financial settlement has a trajectory in terms of payment, some of which would be beyond the period my honorable friend has referred to. there is no specific financial obligation in relation to the backstop should the backstop come into play. >> patrick grady. >> the prime minister is so confident of the merits of the deal, is she not concerns when she goes to europe, other member states look at
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enviously, to leave the european union -- or why the truth, the best possible relationship by definition, the european union, when my constituents and people across, and, to remain in the european union. >> i'm tempted to refer the honorable gentlemen to answers like earlier on this question. we had a vote. the overall vote was we should leave the european union and that is what we will deliver. >> thank you, mister speaker. on all important political decisions not only do i listen to my constituents and the businesses that employ my constituents, but i also ask myself the question is this in the long-term interests of my children? i have a great deal of respect for the prime minister, a dedicated public servant. can i ask you with all sincerity given all the viable options available, is this deal in the best interests of my children? >> i say to my honorable friend that i genuinely believe this
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deal is in the national interests and that means it is best interests of people up and down the united kingdom, whatever age they are including those with children today. what i want to do is ensure that as we leave the european union we are able to build that brighter future both with a good trade relationship with the eu, our nearest neighbors, but also developing those trade relationships around the rest of the world. ..
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>> my own constituency voted to remain as it happened. we've been listening to businesses, listening to individuals and i believe the deal we have negotiated with the european union, with the final details yet to be completed is one that does deliver because i believe, i think most people in this country today want the government to deliver brexit to get on with it and to ensure we do so in a way that protects jobs and livelihoods across our country. >> both the scottish secretary said they couldn't possibly support any deal. of course i have questions. has she received any correspondence in forming the resignations?
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>> i'm sorry. i thought the honorable joan was asked me whether any members of the cabinet are ministers had reside. there have been some. [inaudible] >> after two years of insecurity and uncertainty, the prime minister is proposing an outgoing day which is a real awkward step from the position that uk is now. counsel up and down the country like mine are urging mps to ask people so have a say on whether they will be worse off. does she agree that it is in the national interest now to go back to the people of this country, and also if parliament votes down this too will she give british people a voice? >> we gave the british people a voice. >> we give the opportunity to choose between leaving and remaining in the european union.
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they chose to leave and that's what we will deliver. >> mr. speaker, when we become an independent coastal state again which i very much look forward to, of course our fishing waters will need protecting. will the prime minister consider commissioning a new fleet of very fast naval vessels to chase down and capture any vessels that come into our waters toothfish uninvited, thus protecting fishing and our rights to fishing in scotland and my done east coast including my neighbors constituency? >> i say to my honorable friend i'm not sure whether his question was more content to be support for the fishing industry or bid for ministry of defence. we will be ensuring we can operate as an independent coastal state and protect the interests of our fishing industry. >> many people think this is a bad deal.
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can ask the prime minister to tell me -- in event of a new deal brexit? >> been very clear in event of a no deal brexit come european union citizens are living here in the united kingdom will have their rights protected. >> when is the next general election? [laughing] >> 2022. [shouting] >> thank you very much. this governments brexit deal is the worst of both worlds for both league and ring. i she not agree whilst with given the government two years to make a complete brexit negotiations are still not be in position to command a majority in this house, it is now high time to end this charade, to
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waste no further time, to other meaningful vote that will ask to take back control in this house? >> there will be a meaningful vote on the final deal as it is agreed with the european union. >> mr. speaker, i stand here with a heavy heart and sadness. does the prime minister or will the prime minister recollect the story of jacob and esau -- [inaudible] does the prime minister see the similarity that she -- to the british for despicable and shoddy deal? prime minister, we will not be your sacrifice. i will not agree to give the backstop control to the eu or to the republic of ireland over northern ireland.
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never. >> i respect the honorable gentleman and respect the concerns is shown in relation to this issue of the backstop. we are not -- while respecting him i do reject the description he has given of what is being done in relation to this deal. as i said earlier it is clear that it is necessary to withdrawal agreement and in that agreement of this interest policy. there are various ways in which an insurance policy can be exercised and it is certainly from hope of mind, we work into to make sure the backstop does not come into practice. >> prime minister will be aware of the 27 billion uk citizens who hold a european health insurance card, can ask after 2020 what will be the status of the european health insurance card as a place uk citizens?
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will it be redundant after january 2021? >> can i say i say to the honorable gentleman i will perhaps right in with specifics on health guard because that is an issue that has been negotiated in relations to december 2020. i think the question of any reciprocal rights in relation to health care is a matter that is still to be negotiated for the future relationship but i will write to him with more details. >> thank you, mr. speaker. prime minister has been asked type atomic in this question question but i'll try again. there is no support for her deal if she will not call a general election. she will not support the people's vote. she will not extend article 50 and her threat is her deal or no deal. can she confirm that the house doesn't support her deal she will push us off the no deal cliff edge? >> as i said in response to others, when the house come to look at this deal will be for
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every member of this house to consider not only the duty, the duty to ensure we deliver on the vote of the british people but also to consider the long-term interests of their constituents. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister hasn't explained what in the national interest actually means. so can she tell us comparing to remain in the eu how many extra jobs she believes will be created? how much faster our gdp will grow, and how much better off for each family be? >> can i say to the honorable lady just give her an example of one of the issue she raised come if you look at the report that was produced at the time of the budget, well understand where leaving the european union they said over the next two years 800,000 800,000 more jobs will be created. >> on northern ireland in paragraph four of the agreement
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contains the following extraordinary statement. use best endeavors to seek to facilitate trade between great britain and northern ireland. what assurance does that give to this house about the integrity of the united kingdom? >> working and very clear in the issues that we've developed that the will continue to be that trade between northern ireland and great britain. i responded earlier to another honorable member of house in relation to the impact of any regulatory requirements that there are as result of the uk eu wide customs territory. i also was clear about the changes we brought about in terms of approvals for example, for the ability of companies to be able to sell and have that business across, between great britain and northern ireland. it was one of the commitments we gave in december as commitments
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continue. >> tractor onto the iron he has not been missed on the prime minister that is exactly 80 years ago another conservative prime minister came back from europe waving a piece of paper and claiming success. leave exact words were piece at a time. it was neville chamberlain to given there is no peace on the benches opposite, given that you do not command the support of this house, can the prime minister tellis what the options are? a general election or a people vote or hard brexit cliff edge? >> the honorable judge when one of her the address given to other members of this house. when the deal is brought back from the european council to this house will be up to individual members of this parliament, of this house come to determine whether they believe that is a deal they can support in the interest of the constituents and in the national interest or not.
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>> thank you, mr. speaker. following this, the author of the government will be forced into -- namely, brexit terms are given the meaningful vote that is likely to fit would not now be prudent for the prime minister to ask the eu for an extension to ask the 50th offer the public a second vote? >> i would ask the honorable gentleman to listen to the answers of given earlier to this question. >> we all understand importance of the belfast agreement but these special arrangements will have an impact on the rest of the united kingdom including seaports and western sea port as it will create a de facto line across the irish sea. so can i ask her because she has manage one thing today, mr. speaker, and that's tonight the d u.p., my party and sections of her own party on this issue. so can ask her to go back to brussels?
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this isn't a final agreement, look at this again it's about fairness and unity in the united kingdom. >> can i i say to the honorable gentleman that i think is referring to circumstances of if the backstop or operator. of course the border issues between the with the border would operate between northern ireland and ireland will be different from what the border would operate between great britain and the rest of the european union. that's exactly one of the issues that will be considered should there be a point of having to determine whether the best option with the backstop or indeed the implementation because if it was an extension of the implementation then of course the friction with the rest of the eu would continue as it is today. >> the prime minister says it is a choice between her option or no deal. it's crystal clear to everyone there is no support in this house, majority, for either of
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those options and it also clear that the halfhearted preparation or no deal means she knows that's not realistic choice. so when is she going to admit that she needs to allow parliament to come up with alternatives and she better do this sooner rather than later. >> first of all i i say to the honorable gentleman that we are making clear preparation for no deal. we continue to make those preparations. we have stepped those preparations of the summer. parliament will have an opportunity to vote on the deal in a meaningful vote. >> thank you, mr. speaker. right at the outset today the member quite rightly stressed the importance of freedom group of goods. but service is also a vital part of our economy and which we are very good. could the prime minister explained what benefits her approach give to the service sector that it doesn't already enjoy, and importantly, what
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influence would give in the future after transition on the future development of the single market including the digital single market? >> well, as the honorable gentleman who know once we leave the european union will not be participating in decisions of the european union takes in relation to its particular market. i think it is important because services are so important to the uk economy that the flexibility that that is set up in the outlined physical declaration is available to services, financial services and others. this is a key area in which i expect we will be able to develop good partnerships and good relationships, not just with the european union over wh other parts of the world as well to the interest of his constituencies and others across this country. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister finally admitted last night there were three possible outcomes, that she still insist parliament will --
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[inaudible] be denied the right to vote on one with one of the opposite of any commanding majorities support -- [inaudible] what parallel universe -- [inaudible] >> the meaningful vote will be an amendable motion but as i said previously i think if you would and as most members of the public if the government brings the deal back from brussels what to expect barbet vote on? i think they would expect parliament to be able to have a vote on that deal. >> that prime minister has got to accept responsible for the position just put herself in. it was she who thought it was good it did to make a member for oxbridge or foreign secretary. she's appointed to arch brexiteers as brexit secretary. these people was going to
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deserter. she is now left with no majority for precision in the house so surely she has to hold a vote in the south to give her an indicative position of the house of commons on this deal for she goes to summit at the end of this month so she can honestly represent the views of this house on the deal that she is negotiating. >> the house will be up and take a vote on the final deal that is negotiating with the european council. that is what we've committed to the south and that is what will happen. >> the people of scotland voted by a wide margin to remain within the eu and ever since that the democratic wishes of the people of scotland have been disrespected as have the voices of the democratic elected scottish part of it and the scottish government. but can she confirm that yesterday the disrespect to the people of scotland was extended threefold? firstly in terms of providing a
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deferential due to northern ireland. secondly, in terms of providing briefings to the government of gibraltar before the scottish government and thirdly as is pointed out this morning on the honorable member, that the conservative members from scotland were briefed on the text of the withdrawal agreement before the scottish government? is that the case? >> i say to the honorable gentleman that he talks about respecting the position that have been taken. throughout this we respected the fact that we're negotiating on behalf of the whole of the united kingdom and an interest of the whole of the united kingdom, and with continued to do that and will continue to do that in scotland the course is part of the united kingdom. >> i'd like to ask the prime minister why is in no brexit a risk to united kingdom and by
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constituency? >> i have to say the people of this country, the people of this country voted to leave the european union. i believe it is in their interest and the duty of this parliament to deliver it. what i said was a risk of no brexit at all, a number of members across this house from this opposition benches have said they would prefer to keep us in the european union. i disagree. the british people voted to leave and we will leave. >> nobody knows more about negotiating for jobs in our nation's trade unions that represent millions of working people. since this deal has been struck as the primary source book and joy unions the representatives? if not, what day will she do so? >> can i issue the honorable
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gentleman that the interest of the trade unions and the interest of businesses have been taken into account in the work that is being done. there have been interaction with trade unions. there is some a right honorable friend secretary of state for business and industrial strategy. >> i'm going to ask a specific question and would like a specific answer. the statements of intent for the eu settlement scheme says those applying will not be required to show they need for the requirement of free movement rules that have been contradicted. this agreement is ambiguous on that point so can she indicate whether as she promised it would be possible for people to get status where they can prove they can pass a criminal to check within not be able to the no fault of their own proof different exercising very eu rights? >> i think i heard her say the regulations were ambiguous and,
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therefore, which he claims ambiguity necessary contradicted what has been said previously. in the interest of making sure that the honorable lady gets as accurate a reply as possible i will writer on this matter. >> thank you, mr. speaker. there are a number of simple truths amongst political noise. brexit is bad for britain. secondly, does the prime minister proposal is no majority in this house, and thirdly that on the future relationship to think that all of my constituents we should know about regardless of the view on brexit is a seven-page wishlist and nothing else. the prime minister said today she will bring further details to the house but can she confirm how long we will have as house and select committee in conversation with our constituents to fully understand the consequences of her future proposal in the uk and the eu? >> we will be ensuring parliament before to take a meaningful vote is able to see
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both of them both the future framework and it is develop in greater detail than it is at the moment in the outline political declaration, together with as i've indicated the various forms of analysis that the government is committed to. >> given that her own scottish tour in pace novant health confidence in her secretary of state for scotland to have been trampled over on the irish banks couldn't even turn up today, this this suggests the deal offers anything other than -- the integrity of united kingdom? >> his portrait of the opposition of the secretary of state of scotland is completely wrong. the sick address date for scholars to an excellent job together with my conservative colleague, scottish conservative colleague in defending the interests of scotland and in doing so in a rather better way than the smp.
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>> i have just come back from a comment that to be very clear the secretary of state has had a red line cross, i hope she would prove to them again we will negotiate as an independent coastal state in 2020 and for the more scotland has been disrespected and is being respected by consulting scottish mps in this house as appropriate. >> thank you. i think my right honorable friend for pointed that out and i am clear about the position of united kingdom as an independent coastal state. >> mr. speaker, given the outcomes, could the prime minister take this opportunity to explain to those living in my already economically fragile constituency exactly why her deal could be a competitive disadvantage to very close neighbors in northern ireland?
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>> the scottish smp members have a number of occasions now referred to the issue of northern island in relation to scotland and its deal. northern ireland has a particular set of circumstances that do not -- the autumn of judgments as we do not. you do not? >> this is the height of this. the prime minister is answering the question and it must be heard. the question has been asked. primaried is entering it at the honorable gentleman as jabbing away. the prime minister. >> mr. speaker, i think the honorable gentleman was raising a question and sort of suggestion that actually scotland was in the same position as northern island. of course it's not. it doesn't have a land border. >> the deal is far worse for or young people in the deal they
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currently have with our membership of the eu. this deal has no guarantees on funding for eu students come on the travel and work rights to europe, on eu research funding worth 100 billion euros. with the future of millions at stake, doesn't she great it's time to let them vote for their future, for the people so, particularly for those young people who didn't get a vote last time because they were not old enough? >> we are interested in what we have agreed in relation to some of the matters that she has set forward, but this is a deal which is about the future of this country. it is about -- she's quoting of the withdrawal agreement. it is about with our withdrawal from the european union, not about our future relationship. >> can the prime minister look at my constituents in the eye and guarantee that this
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agreement will put them in a better position in which they couldn't be enjoyed as a member of the european union and promised to them that not one of my constituents will be at any worse off as a result of this agreement? >> what is going to ensure the future of the honorable gentleman constituents and those of members and right honorable members across this house is not the current agreement but the future that we will deliver with the european union. that's precisely why we have put the element of the economic partnership in such an important part of the future relationship. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister has yet to answer simple but important question. if it is rejected what will government do next? >> as i had said quite a lot earlier in answering questions that is the process that will happen were that to happen, is set out quite clearly for this house. but the question is how will individual members of this house
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approach this decision when they come to make it in the interest of the country and an interest of their constituents? and they will need to have at the forefront of their mind the duty to deliver on the vote of the british people to leave the european union, and the overall national interest of our country and interests of their constituents. >> mr. speaker, the world is looking on us with four and sympathy. my -- for your people up and down wales and across the uk worry how to make ends meet. they know that brexit is bad for britain. can the prime minister tell my constituents exactly how this deal will make them better off than they are now? >> the honorable lady says she is concerned -- i set up before i think this a deal in the
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future partnership we can have with the european union and trade deals around the rest of the world can benefit our economy, benefit jobs can benefit our constituents. she says they worry about how to make ends meet. precisely why discovered is government that is continued increase the national living wage that is then put new tax cuts for millions of people in this country. >> thank you, mr. speaker. could the prime minister in light of the house as to why the member made a meeting with the chief whip at this moment? >> there's nothing to do with the statement. nothing to do with the statement. dr. paul williams. >> thank you. thank you, mr. speaker and thank you to the prime minister for staying to answer everyone's question. could the prime minister says
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that we risk no brexit at all. nhs relies on eu workers and depends on eu research and medicine collaboration. how is this deal better to the nhs than no brexit? >> i say to the honorable gentleman first of all that the bush people voted to leave the european union and we have a duty to deliver on beating the european union. if he is concerned about the future of the national health service and hope he supports the significant decisions that this government has taken to make the biggest injection of funding into our national service in its history with her multi-your funding program over 80 billion pounds more going into the national service in the ten year plan. >> prime minister, thank you. colleagues, thank you. [shouting] >> order. i'll take the honorable gentleman point of order mitchell to what we've been discussing but but i do then wo
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proceed, thank you, to this statement. void of order, , mr. neil gray. >> mr. speaker, on a point of order it was suggested this morning on rigorous column by the honorable member from carden and later confirmed by the member that the concert members of this house from scotland were given advance is to withdrawal agreement before other party leaders in this house and before the democratic elected devolved administration. i know my constituents would see that as been disorderly and disrespectful to wonder, mr. speaker, whether you could confirm in terms of the rules of this house whether that was disorderly and disrespectful? >> this has nothing to do with the rules of the house. i'm sorry to disappoint the honorable gentleman if he thinks that it is that it's nothing to do with the rules of the house. there are judgments to be made in this matter and opinions will differ as to the wisdom of
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particular courses of action, but there's no breach of order i absolutely recognize the irritation or dissatisfaction of the honorable gentleman but that is distinct from any question of procedural impropriety. point of order. >> in response to the point of order that was just make i just want to clarify -- [inaudible] >> the honorable gentleman is seeking a row from the chair he can raise a point of order. if he just wants to have a tit-for-tat with another honorable member, that is not a proper use of a point of order. he wanted a tit-for-tat. he wants a rolling? there are good. point of order. >> mr. speaker, i will look for your rolling and advice on making sure the record is right correctly regarding the point
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those made by members on the side of house by conservatives and looking at government text in the previous statement i've mentioned about right honorable friend the prime minister engaging scottish mps. it was about relation to the state in this morning and not any of the preview of a texture how can i clarify this, mr. speaker? >> clarification, i advise the book of no misunderstanding is contain within, within the terms of his own inquiry. because as the honorable gentleman has just emphasized, statements were made earlier during the course of exchanges. because the statements were made they will be recorded in the official report and, therefore, all people need to do is to study the official report, including to establish what was and what was not said by the
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honorable gentleman. i hope that that is helpful to him and he will now go about his business with an additional glint in his eye and spring in his step for the rest of the day. very good. if there are no further points of order -- >> c-span, where history unfold daily. in 1979 c-span was greater as a public service by america's cable-television companies and today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court and public policy events in washington, d.c. and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. >> now back to the british house of commons in london for the announcement from my minister th


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