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>> host: we are here talking to former governor virginia with terry mcauliffe talking about his book "beyond charlottesville" taking a stand against white nationalism. where just a few days out from another stand of really horrifying murder sprees in america. it's a sobering thing to think that we keep thinking we hit rock bottom and we saw that a few years ago and we are bottoming out again so governor congratulations on the book and thank you for taking the time to talk about it. >> guest: thank you dahlia, it's great to be here today. >> host: want you to start governor with the question that
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hovers a little bit over your first couple of chapters in the book and that hovers over so much of the debate happening in american of this question, think it's not an accident that you start the book saying that when you wanted to run for office in virginia you are from new york, you are from florida. you are not from here. i lived in charlottesville for 17 years and i heard you are not from here and things that are said by people protest immigrants come you're not from here. you are clearly anxious about establishing i've lived here most of my life. why are we having this conversation at all? >> guest: my wife is quoted in the look in no virginia as a southern state that they were very proud of their heritage. i was the first new yorker to
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become the governor of the commonwealth of virginia. virginia has evolved in northern virginia has really changed. the commonwealth of virginia i think the majority were not worn in virginia who live in the commonwealth of virginia today but it's a great state agreed of state at a .5 million people and i thought it was important we lay out the context of the history of virginia and the challenges they face. a lot of the issues we had a horrible racist past. we were the capital of the confederacy. it was different for me. i grew up in upstate new york and a lot of the things i discovered i had never thought of. i talked earlier in the book went to my first event held there in virginia the body man who was with me my aid that tall young african-american man was waiting for me to finish and a woman came up and said you know you need to be careful young man. he said, why? he said there's a kkk rally
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going on. i'll be honest with you dahlia i didn't know the kkk was still having rallies. at an event after that i was out campaigning with my wife and she went up to him and said he gave her -- she gave him her brochure and he said i would never vote for your husband. he's an. ann: lover. we are still a nation of 335 million people but we do have a small subset who are haters and donald trump mr. vinod's haters out from underneath their rocks. it's so interesting because i think one of the things even in the wake of the new el paso shootings is the theory of replacement that all white white supremacists ethno-massless with everyone to call them the
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anxiety for them is that they are being replaced and the crazy paradox is they are not from virginia. you say throughout the book these people are flying in from ohio and california to come to say this is our place. so bizarre and layered over that and with african-american women you have a moment in the park or you say these all right protesters are yelling at an african-american woman that they want to put her on the boat. they are not from here so i think it's a big national anxiety where we go to places that aren't even there places in claim that there places and other people are pushing them out? >> guest: one of the reasons i decided to write the book. i was governor so was busy but they are after is thinking about running for president. whereby when people asked me about charlie itself. he it was released here into
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their minds and many people have thought these were virginians. these were citizens of the great city of charlottesville that were doing the protest. no, they came in and charlottesville is a beautiful community. so liberal bastion. these folks are terrific and it's just a great community and so that's one of the reasons that you are right. let's be clear it is the president who fosters this. when he ran for a yes we are going to ban muslims from coming into this country. he talked about the mexicans being a rapist and criminals. this is his language. we are going to go back to a country that is all white and i remind you unless you are native american you came to this country from somewhere else. the first three ships came to america in jamestown virginia. my goodness and we are
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celebrating the 400th anniversary of the first legislative chamber in america which is in virginia but also ordered years ago this month the first slaves came to america and they were brought to virginia. this is a long evolution and my point is you know the president led america down on his speech and i'm the one that had to go out that day and say to these folks, go home. get the heck out of virginia. get out of our country. they paraded around like they were some patriots. they weren't patriots. they were a bunch of cowards. they were carrying shields with swastikas on them and adolf hitler t-shirts. i mean, really? and so frightening when hundreds of of them came out to the university of virginia. you could see them coming down hundreds of them carrying their torches and you could hear them as they came down screaming will
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not replace us another chance from 1933 and 1934 germany. >> host: i wonder if you can answer one other question for me before we talk about the nuts and bolts of the book. i know you've had several purposes in writing the book but a big part of the purpose with healing reconciliation. john lewis is an introduction talking talking about how we are all in the same fight here but by necessity there ends up being finger-pointing. the police didn't do a good job in the courts didn't do a good job in some of the blowback you are hearing in the last couple of days is don't lay blame but you are trying a pink to do things that are intent and one is to bring us together but also to reckon with what went wrong. i wonder how you thought that through when you are writing. guess so sure.
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the main purpose of the book is to deal with racism and as horrible as charlottesville was the one benefit the came out of it for far too long in our country people felt that we had dealt with racism and it didn't exist anymore. it's a hard topic value. people don't like to sit around and talk about racism. they talk about these reconciliation commissions which is in the book are waste of time that's why john lewis wrote the forward for me. he and i collaborated in the greater part of the book which is how do we go forward? the main thrust of what people should take from the book is racism is alive and well. it's a sad part of our history but it exists today and we need to do something to stop it. i talk in the book at length about education. we can't have a system where there are two different education systems. if you are young african-american child and
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you're going to a school because the facility, it may rain and the heating doesn't work in the cooling doesn't work or you don't have the same quality of teacher you are putting bad young african-american child at a disadvantage for their rest of their life because they aren't getting a quality education can i talk a lot about education the book and what we need to do. the other big point they make is the criminal justice system could i spend a lot of time in the book on criminal justice reform. they reduce the juvenile detention population by two-thirds while i was governor. i do the most pardons of any governor virginia but a gentleman who i talk about in the look a young man who was a drug addict. he had a problem. he committed five robberies and the total he stole in five robberies was $535,000. you have read the books i won as
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good a question that $535 nobody injured that he was given two life sentences at 130 years. my point is we have got to reform our criminal justice system. racism is here to quit talking and start doing something. as governor i restored more felon rights than any governor in history. we won. we put a billion dollars in education the most ever in k-12. i took the confederate flag out on executive order. racism is prevalent today in this country and until we deal with those issues that's one of the main purposes of this book is to have that conversation. and of course you get into the permanent causes and that's informative for readers to talk about blame but the process had to be fixed in the commonwealth of virginia.
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for purposes never been given for the part that was sent to the park was just too small. probably 2000 counterprotesters and law enforcement did not have the ability to keep people safe are the city correctly filed a petition to move it to a much bigger park and the key to controlling protests is to keep the two sides separated which was impossible. unfortunately as a writing the book the aclu to sue did the judge ruled in favor of the white supremacist and neo-nazi's in the rally was held in a park that was just plain untenable. i support the first amendment and as you know any of the board members of the aclu protested saying i'm for the first amendment that i'm not for protecting neo-nazis who come in value that day they were screaming where going to burn you and burn that synagogue.
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every other word was the f and n word and what they were saying about members of the jewish faith, how did we get to this place in america? how did we get here in america and how do we move america forward? >> host: i would love to have you spend a minute, i've been here in new york and you are in d.c.. you and i both know charlottesville very well. can you describe for people who haven't been there how charlie tiny those parks are and how small that park is and the town itself is a few miles wide. there is one synagogue. there are a couple of african-american churches. this is not a town that people recognize. >> guest: it's a small mayberry or if d. i love it and it's got beautiful main market street main street with a lot of great restaurants
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but the university of virginia is based there. it's a college town. people respect secular, fun-loving. so very liberal city opening to everybody no matter your background or who you love for you pray to and that's why i was so shattered the city of charlottesville to have to go through that. it's a small little park and the inability for anyone to keep control was very hard that day but we knew friday night it was going to be bad when the torches came out. we never should have been allowed on the university of virginia campus. we never should have lighted torches on the campus. after the city voted to take down the robert e. lee statue
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have that these people didn't even know who robert e. lee was. this was an opportunity, this is going to be the time we could come and this would be a time could all come together and sort of what trump has been talking about why this was many a nazism this is the time we could all come together and i tried to do the best they could to keep the lid on it. i continue to see on radio and tv tried to tell folks not to come and counter protests. let these folks walk down the street and get out of town and obviously people want to come out because they were horrified at what they were hearing from these things going on that day. the folks in the city of charlotte were set. i can remember when i finally gained one out and gave my speech i got text from folks from all over the globe, what's
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going on an american than when trump trump came out and said there were good people on both sides i mean that was the lowest point of his presidency. i had talked to him that day. the phone conversation and told him i was going on in charlotte. was that you thought you had persuaded him to say the right thing for you were on the phone thinking interested if there were no good people on the side. >> guest: i talk about bill clinton had issues in the hama city ricky went down to heal the nation. orrock obama in charleston south carolina went and heal the nation. george bush 9/11 went there with a bullhorn. they are looking for the president. they are looking for the president to be the moral leader. to bring us back together again i felt the president understood. it's interesting and they tell us in the book when i hung up from the phone i thought he was going to do a the right thing.
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they said mr. president you do your press conference first indict told him, he was going to do the right thing and then dalia he got delayed a half an hour, and our commoner and a half, two hours and i'm thinking they got all the information in the world is watching. why is he not doing the press conference and you know what happened. folks inside the white house said no mr. president you are not going to use the word neo-nazi and you are going to attack white supremacy and you are going to come out and say there are good people on both sides. there weren't good people on the neo-nazi site or they were good people on the protesters and counterprotesters side. they were all out there. there were ministers and concerned citizens who were there to protest against hate or that's the reason they were there. peacefully protesting against them. >> host: i want to ask you in
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the weeks leading up and you mentioned this in the book that this was not a one-off. people think they are at these events on the campus where the totality of that summer but we had three other marches. we have the kkk showed up and over the summer cabin or there was a real erosion of trust in the community. i think a lot of folks felt some version and you mentioned the book it was exacerbated after the kkk march in july in the crowd was pepper sprayed what seemed like an over reaction. they decided to lean back and this was a dance between the public and the local police about trusting the cops. i guess i want to say to you is such a challenging thing you are trying to do the book which is to foster trust with the police
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and the state weighs in the court did he want people to believe these institutions are going to keep them safe but they really failed on that day. i know they were trying to thread the needle and the look and you are saying look the local cops didn't know what they were in for but i do think what i remember that whole summer is people saying they are not going to protect us and two years later they really lost faith in their city government in their police in the state. what do you say to the attention of how do we account for the president who made horrifying errors that summer and the folks need to trust in government again. guess i talk about all the issues leading up to it and what needs to be done and not finger-pointing or whatever. the permit was granted and there
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were no restrictions put on the permit. the permit should have banned sticks and masks and all types of things. that's something they should do in the city of charlottesville at knitted they should have put some restraint on the original permit. you've got to limit that but overall i will say all the law enforcement and it was the shares in the city and the state , they are there. their goal was to keep everybody safe. let these folks come in, keep everybody safe. that's the goal. nobody wants anybody to be injured and get the man, get it done as soon as you possibly can. at 11:15 that day i finally declared a state of emergency. the city should have done is under protocol. i declared it. the state police moved in front of the city of charlottesville police. they got out of bullhorn and said clear the park to 11
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minutes later the park was cleared through the national guard came and secured the park. that point at 11:50 which i remind is when the protest was supposed to begin for the 12-5 trucksess, the park was cleared. we had skirmishes in this vice but no one was seriously injured at this point greater than zero property damage. everybody at that point thought things had gone better than people had hoped. outside of the horrible -- and so forth but under the first amendment to the right to say those things in an hour later as you know he weaponized his car and ran down heather heyer and into the edge -- injured 35 individuals and two hours after that the police helicopter was doing surveillance in the air
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and hit tab of failure and crashed killing two state troopers and the copilot who was a brand-new copilot on security detail to join that. it was a heartbreaking day but i would say these folks were there at the intention was to keep everyone safe. i do have issues with the planning and the steps that have been taken. barricade should have been put up around a lot of this but the city of charlottesville had an agreement with the neo-nazis in the white supremacist that they would enter into one row to the park but guess what? they didn't stay with that commitment pattern of why you'd ever believe the word of any other. the point of the book is not to do that. soule up from my perspective from the governor where was sitting in the meetings of what acts they went on but the role is and i did right afterward give executive order 67 and 68
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to redo the permitting process. in a situation like this the city is in control. i was in a support role for the state that we needed better mechanism of unified command so everybody is at the table. not just the city police. everyone is sitting there together early on in order to make the situation and that is now what is in virginia as we go forward. i change the permitting process in a file right after to do another event in richmond at the robert e. lee statue in richmond which is one of the few axes to control. this actually came to the state and i issued an executive order because once again the permit for this roundabout in downtown richmond that permit whatever allowed for 5000 people. you can get 5000 there fused back 50 on top of each other.
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i had control of that once i stop the permit and i got a nasty letter from the aclu but i kept people say. we did that permitting process and because they couldn't come to the state because i wanted to review how we could do is save the day then said you'd have to rally in richmond on the sidewalk at one of the reasons was richmond city police, the mayor and the chief of police ban all masks. they limited the time. masks are important one of the benefits that came out of charlottesville was the counterprotesters had their cell phones and they were taking pictures of these neo-nazis and white supremacists and they immediately put them up the next day on social media. many people lost their jobs. tech about this young man who worked at work we. he added hot dog standing up
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fire. a member of the united states marine corps was thrown out of the course a lot of people paid a price. virginia will come out of this stronger and you will come out weaker and that's exactly what happened. many got indicted and have been charged. their names were put up and they were fired from their employment and a year later they tried to do is you know another big event in washington 20 or 30 folks and then i tell the story of jason ketchum are living at home and his father's bedroom and his father kicking him out of the bedroom. how pathetic but that's what happens. >> host: that raises this question come you have this observation toward the end of the book where you say they learn not to protest and certainly we can say chris cantwell and richard spencer. they all seem to have run around and attacks as you point out turned against each other but
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there is a way in which the internet still allows this movement to bergen and flourish. i absolutely stipulate that you are right and tim casey did that massive study on what went wrong and how the police need to do things different. but we learned something i think we can stipulate that we learned a lot. i think at the same time we can't not wreck in with the fact that el paso just happened and the garlic festival before that in the tree of life before that. so i feel like there are two things going on. we are talking about quelling and quashing some of the all right figures but it definitely feels as though the movement has gone from protests and marches to something more insidious, you know? >> guest: what is the common
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denominator there? i would go back to donald trump. he is coble. he led america down that day in charlottesville when they came out. they were cheering him and i have the quotes from spencer and learned all that per day of david duke in there. we are continuing donald trump's mission to make this a white america. i have it all well-documented that what's happening in the country is because of all the things you and i talked about earlier in the things he had said about people, and they talk about how a lot of those started when president obama got elected and for many people the concept of a black person in the oval office was offensive. they didn't really act on any of the. and then you have the president who comes in and says the president obama wasn't born in america and he is tweeting and
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retweeting neo-nazi activity while he's running for president and then trump comes in. it's a signal value to people that wow if the president comes out and say the stuff i can too. they were emboldened and that's why they felt comfortable coming to charlottesville. he can say it publicly, so can i. people used to wear hoods and they don't think they have to wear hoods anymore and charles philly came out and it was their big coming out party. they got hurt badly in charlottesville and they got pushed. i agree with your point, they weren't able to do another charlottesville because they were so injured and wounded and so forth. has gone underground on the web and this person from el paso the killer who wrote his manifesto and specifically talks about
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white supremacy and white identity directly quoting donald trump's tweets. you are right and the president failed us this week in his speech. i wish he had come out and said opened his speech up and said you know what, i'm sorry. my rhetoric has caused division and hatred in this country and i was wrong in its time was to come together. it president trump had done that they could have turned the entire corner. it would then a moment for a nation but he doesn't have it in him. he gave a the speech which he read up the taleb prompter talking about all the hate speech and he mentions he's the number one out there for hate speech. i wish he would have said i'm calling senator mitch mcconnell the senate leader to come back into session tomorrow to vote for universal background checked 160 days ago bring that go up. i wanted on the floor of the senate that i want to vote on it
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this week or that's what he should have done but it's just words. >> host: he blamed mental illness on the mentally ill and the games in the press. you are grappling with the same thing we all grapple with which his how much of this lays at his feet and how much of this is a kind of pre-existing condition in this country that as you point out those civil war statues were built in the 1920s. they were built to reinforce jim crow. ..
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>> don't say this. so it is a paradox. that the i.c.e. raids are racist but now you make yourself a target but you do that in this book you open with the failures. what if there was a choice in your head to write this without calling them out explicitly quick. >> you talking about how this got started is very important. i do it all the time but is not a center of resistance. it's not look at
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charlottesville is the center of innovation but why did they choose charlottesville clicks they could've gone anywhere in the south. it's important people understand why they chose charlottesville because when they vote to take down the statues. it's important to mention give me liberty or give me death patrick henry virginia and ended in virginia with the battle of cornwallis. that's a big part of the history of virginia. world war i. world war ii. if you add all of those up all of those serious events in the nation's history 358 statues and many of them call it what
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it is. they're offensive to the african-american community i as governor work very hard to inherit of those trap laws to shut down all the women's clinics very much anti- gay legislation your state has to be open to inherit a large deficit of two.$4 billion with defense spending in sequestration came along and
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that's what we set out to do to make sure with the education system to recruit and became the number one state in america for cyber. and this was a local me one dish open and welcoming to everyone. why did we just get amazon cracks reinvest in our talent and workforce. google and facebook and microsoft they all come to virginia. and then to determine what the local jurisdictions in city or county that should be your
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decision not the state decision. >> is worth pointing out that the statues are still there. >> they pass the republican legislature. >> and that's why charlottesville. to stand in the shadow of monticello itself is complicated so it is really complicated to jefferson slavery and african-american women and how he treated them. so what you are describing with pride in the cradle of democracy and then to be
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candid about its failings. and there is an argument about the civil war. how do you thread that needle without saying you are a bunch of racist haters quick. >> i talk about this at length. it is a great state of a the half-million people they are not symbolic of food virginia is but that's not who we are. you are right. virginia has such was the first i came to virginia for the sleigh's 400 years ago this month came to virginia we
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have a very unique history in this country i talk about jefferson and washington and those slaveowners but you should talk about all of that and nobody should deny who we are where we came from or what those were we are but if you look at america today to say you came here and this idea that this is our place country that was built it's a great country but the immigrant community and that's why it's sad of what trump has done to attack the folks who have moved here.
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1857 to come from ireland and thank goodness. we have a very unique history but we have to deal with the issues in the past and that's why on the issue of the confederate flag with a band executive order. after the supreme court ruled i was the first governor to perform a gay marriage and that's where we are today i restored more federal rights and i got sudan sued for contempt of court. a big part of the book was we have to start doing something quit talking. that is a big part of the end of the book i talk about a waste of time do something. but racism exist we now have a real opportunity going forward
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to deal with these issues. >> if you talk about those gender pieces, overwhelmingly the white supremacist and nazis that marched and those perpetrators with those domestic hate crimes with the mass shootings but i do know that you think about so tenderly about having to tell your daughter about the loss of family friends. i wonder how gender fits into this conversation about southern pride, and those unreconciled ideas and racial hate and displacement.
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there is a real problem with male violence can you speak to that quick. >> that is something i had not thought about. you are right. i don't know the exact number 90 or 95 percent probably of the white supremacist were men. and then to march down the street screaming that is a good point to make but the question that i have is how did these men get in this position? that you scream you want to burn these people alive and i make the point we've got to do better.
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and then talking about these issues and then to do with the education system and talk about inclusion and diversity we have our textbooks but but how is it we deal with one another? but i do think to establish several commissions with really with education we have to begin earlier because also that you are not born this way. >> we know charlottesville is still in pain.
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and working through so much anger in terms of mistrust of the police so what is your view if we move forward? with so many programs and policies to be more inclusive? is it just a function to say we need to do the next thing cracks with this is just an angry city quick spirit to the citizens of charlottesville because this is so outside of how they think and that is what is so shocking but was
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schools and teachers nobody was exempt so i try to take any situation that i had in a negative situation and i tried to make a positive into what we can do next and the folks at charlottesville they leave in on these issues like education and affordable housing and being taking care of. into the issue there are still people who are impacted and that is tragic and that's one thing as a community. that anybody who is physically harmed that day possibly we went through with care but the bigger issue is we have to start doing something. elections matter. i don't want to make it
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political but i don't blame him for specific acts but he is culpable. think about this. as i mentioned before you had obama then clinton addressed the nation. the president coming out after all of the individuals were killed in el paso but he was actually a player in the sense that actually happened there was culpability to him. that has never happened before. it is his rhetoric. you can talk about elisha cummings or the squad or charlottesville. but he brought this out and a lot of people. you can talk about getting rid of trump in 2020 if we don't want the senate back there will not be any comprehensive
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restrictions there are not. as a governor with background checks, assault weapons ban, high-capacity magazine van, every year. every year the republican subcommittee at 630 in the morning with no recorded votes. that the universal background checks. and with the neo-nazis and white supremacist a real big change is to turn the corner to elect a democratic president to bring the nation back to gather again. and then we can start dealing with these issues and then to
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talk about unity more than disunity. >> without heartbreaking part where you are talking to the paralegal and talking to her mom she describes the urgency and america that if you're not mad you're not paying attention. so i think about this all the time you start with the travel than but then you go out to the airport everybody is riled up and fired up and there is a creeping numbness that happens again but yet here you have this woman who is a person who
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literally gives her life to protest and the mom says we're falling asleep. so what do you say to people who are just trying to live their life and they're just tired of being angry all the time quick. >> you just can't think about your everyday life. and going about their every day life. but look what happens. so with these divisions everybody has to lean in as long as we have a president who has an excuse to do what he does to bring out the hatred in people you don't
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know the next time you go to a grocery store or to the bar if somebody is out there they
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cannot be in vain it has to be the rallying cry. we have to move forward for the sake of our kids. >> and go back to the place where you start and i think about this all the time where a moment by the supreme court for gerrymandering with voter suppression and voter id. it's a version of the question that people are frustrated and inky - - angry if the government had failed them so what is the best pitch why the vote still matters in the vote still count counts? with a feel utterly disempowere disempowered.
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>> look at the 2016 presidential election. three states michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvan. hillary clinton lost combined by 77000 votes. people woke up and said holy cow how did that happen? because 92 million americans did not vote. if they would've showed up hillary would be president and all the insanity trump has brought to the presidency. look at where we are with race relations we spent the last 45 minutes talking about that. he took away the individual mandate. he sewed such confusion and uncertainty in the insurance market premiums are going up all over the country. he has destroyed alliances around the world specifically the european union now they look at us like we are crazy.
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you cannot say your vote doesn't count. 77000 would've come out donald trump never would have been president. and to have control of the chamber and one election is a virtual tie. and the winner is pulled out of a bowl. really? i have no sympathy for that. with the greatest nation on earth. men and women are all over the globe to keep the democracy safe and there's nothing like coming back into the united states. the greatest nation on earth i am a glass half-full we can do
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this. trump is really trying to take the water out of the glass but we cannot let him do it. but i am optimistic in those elections in virginia. and netted seven new governors part of that 92 million realized and that i will go out and vote. and then to taking name off the ballots i started the voting rights institute and i was sued for contempt of court. and i - - this is our
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democracy don't let anyone ever undermine it. and then to make such a difference in our nations future. >> but one that i saw throughout reading the book i saw that they are really trying to say is that words matter and those protesters that were chanting blood and soil. but those were the nazi chance. and then said there are fine people on both sides that words matter. so we are in a funny moment where people are radicalized.
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this is a global problem to be incredibly powerful. to say i was kidding or i was joking or winking about assaulting asylum-seekers. >> and that's how we try to end the book. and the positive way to bring about positive change and that is how i ended the book words matter. you just can't think about it you have to do something about it. just say we will not tolerate
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this anymore. and then to read on - - and this racial divide. and with sentencing reform. we have a lot of issues but we can fix it. you have to get out of bed. that we have to be vigilant with all of these haters. and we've got to do a better job to get the guns off the streets and out of the hands of people who should never should be holding weapons. >> one of the things that i noticed was a real sense that the real feeling at one level
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of this tiny town that was misunderstood and everywhere i went for a year after people would say oh my god what was that like? and to make sense of the story and also not to impose meaning. my meaning is not your meaning and what trump said isn't the same but i wonder if you can talk about how you navigate a both telling your story and then to declare a state of emergency and to triangulate against the other people.
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>> this is a story that i told this is the information i had others have written books and everyone has their own perspective people find it fascinating running for office, the history and what is leading up to charlottesville but this is from my perspective what happened and how we go forward but i have been involved in politics for a very long time every job i could have with the democratic party i love this party but i was just sick and about what i saw. and i just could not stay silent. it really bothered me and said interest in the really bad people. it's those who came in.
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and then it's cleared up it's a great state that we have people who don't think the way we do but they are angry and now trump says mexicans are cheat on - - taking your jobs away. and to talk about what we need to do better. and now we just had this important discussion if i didn't write the book we wouldn't have this discussion today it has come out from el paso in dayton things have not changed but you don't want charlottesville to fade into the memory we had a tragedy in virginia beach not too long ago.
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we can't let all those lessons be forgotten. but you and i are having this conversation today. it is important we have a long way to go. >> the perfect way to end this thank you for your time and for helping us to remember and as somebody that was there it was the best of us as well. >> all the people that were there all the smart teams and ems personnel the clergy who came out.
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>> and many more. and to take a stand against white nationalism thank you governor. >> the subtitle of the - - the subtitle for the unfree world


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