tv Gordon Chang Losing South Korea CSPAN November 16, 2019 3:55pm-5:01pm EST
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she's the calmness of the daily beast and his writings on china have been featured in numerous newspapers from the new york times the "wall street journal" and he's also a frequent commentator on cnn, fox news, msnbc, pbs and many others as well as a regular coke host and guest. i know his time is in great demand. we are monitored yet taken the time to be here to speak for the foreign policies for on the topic hong kong in south korea on the front lines in battle for freedom. [applause] >> i am very honored, thank you everyone for coming.
in hong kong and south korea, people were fighting for the freedoms and their societies. they also are on our front line protecting us. also, explain. the explanation begins in hong kong where almost nightly, the suppression of two armies. one in green and fulbright get from their police. the other is irregular in black, the protesters. why do we have these clashes? is because the people's republic of china. beijing has been on premises. in the declaration of 1984, the cost hong kong a high degree of autonomy for 50 years under the one country to systems. they changed, since the handover, the return of income to china that occurred in july 1997 since that time, china has
encroached on those freedoms and taken away that autonomy. china's attempt to prematurely seize control of hong kong therefore is the direct and primary cause of the marches, protests and the services we have seen since april, especially since middle june. the immediate grievance was the expedition bill proposed by carriage them, the hong kong chief executive, the chief political official in hong kong. this bill would allow hong kong to send fugitives to the people's republic where there is no rule of law there is no justice. this opposition, the so-called different forces but also was supposed by the business community. it was concerned that hong kong would build clever feats of
refuge, they would be subject to the predatory chinese business partners would use the weapon, and take them into the mainland. the reason why i think the extradition bill provokes such a sharp reaction was it was the last straw for many people. now people say, i think it is true, that hong kong has drawn a life. they believe the extradition bill is the last stand for the homeland. even now after they announced permanent withdrawal of the bill, one of the five demands, even after this, the protests continue with the same force. it's no longer about the extradition bill. it's about china. society, i think, is amazingly united, using somewhere between
two thirds, maybe three quarters of the people have absolutely determined that china is an actor. we seen something also interesting, appropriately, we haven't seen something, the dog that has not worked is the mass of people in hong kong have been criticized always rounding and sometimes violent protests of the young kids, the ones who are in black. i think most hong kong right now has decided there much more concerned about the excessive force used by the police, by the transcendence of carrying them in the intrusive actives of beijing. there much more concerned about those things than they are about the ethics of the youthful demonstrators. hong kong is fighting back. because they are fighting back, china is not moving it takes an
armor and its troops into macon. i think china does not think they did so, that this would be best as people talk about. it's a reference to june 1989 when chinese troops advanced from the western approaches of the city to center, killing and an unrestricted right. hong kong would be different. hong kong is an urban landscape, it has tall buildings in a narrow streets that favor the defenders. if the chinese were to move into hong kong in a forceful way, yes, there would be casualties on both sides. i don't think the chinese ruler once his first work to take years, maybe decades to result in high chinese casualties and defeats.
so why should we americans care what happens on the river of chinese soil? we care because the same power encroaching on uncle is also attacking our democracy. indeed, the power is attacking the concept of democracy. china is for all of us in hong kong in the beginning of this month, we talked to a formerly pro- list, was jailed. not just a journalist. he looked at me and said, what's happening in hong kong, what china is doing in hong kong is a warning to the u.s. so people can hong kong do need america but we need the people in hong kong. over there, people are fighting for their homes. if we ignore their struggle, we
make be doing the same thing in the not-too-distant future. hong kong is the frontline of freedom. there's another frontline, south korea. he's doing his best to end democracy and south korea. more important, he's working to end south korea itself. that's the state he was elected to defend, thus the state he took an oath of office to defend. we have to think about on august 15 of this year. seventy-first anniversary of the founding republic of korea, 1948. he gave the address to the nation but he managed to not talk about the state that he leads.
instead of talking about the 71st anniversary of south korea, he talked about the centenary of the founding proclamation of the government of korea. that never existed. in 1919, korea had already been annexed by japan. so why did he do this? why did he talk about the provisional government? the provisional government tended to govern all of korea. it's a korean nationalist. his goal is the unification of korea. it's no surprise that during his summons with kim john boone, the north korean, he has emphasized the union of the two koreans. since the division of the peninsula in 1945, every korean
leader, except has allocated vacation. but we, it appears to be the first korean leader to accept the unification of the other side and he's doing his best to achieve that unification as quickly as he can't. to pave the way for the unification of the two careers, he's trying to make south korea's form of government compatible with the north. in 2018, tried to amend the constitution of the republic. they tried to remove the notion of the rope from the concept of democracy. fortunately, he failed in this effort. the opposition turned back to her but he kept on trying. his ministry of education has
been trying to change the textbooks, trying to get this concept of liberalism. they have succeeded in part because in the textbooks for the middle school, is been great and pointed out, they did delete the word freedom. remember what korea thinks is democratic, so south korea is a democracy but is not liberal, not free then it looks a little bit like north korea in at least theoretical terms. what's the formal name of the state that he leads? it's the party is also democratic his party is leading the charge against democracy itself. the 19th president of korea is
determined to be his last. his family for more than seven decades trying to absorb south korea but he reads the same thing. we need to talk about one day. april 152020. on that date, there will be national assembly elections. they're all up for grabs. there's a lot of reasons why that election is important but let me focus on one. under articles 130, the president can propose amendments to the constitution. article 30 provides proposals to amend the constitution and must reserve at least two thirds of the votes in the national assembly.
after that, he goes to a popular referendum. in that, delete a simple majority of the people of south korea have to approve. mood is unpopular as yes, click very well get that simple majority because after all, he is counting the boats. the most important thing for the opposition in korea, those who want to preserve their democracy is to make sure you take back control of the national assembly. the main opposition party, liberty career party currently holds 110 of those 300 seats. small conservative parties hold others. it's important that they actually get at least 100 seats and hopefully one. we know if that don't, party,
the democratic party of korea tried to amend the constitution. april 15 is do or die, now or never. it's also a time to safeguard rights, democracy and freedom in the republic of korea. since becoming president in 2017, will try to return to a more authoritarian style of governance. they are taking control of the big broadcasters to reduce the airing of dissenting views and also prevent views that promote north korea. to control the messaging, food has gone after we get to prevent what he calls social discontent or social distrust. his party has gone especially after you to, it's become a primary form for opposition
voices. they try to enact censorship laws but they don't really need to enact the loss because they have tried to pressure you to, they've done this in a number of ways, tax evasion investigation immediately after you two refused to take down 104 videos put out by conservative voices and south korea. moreover, mood has been relentless using the national police authority to investigate those who have used that mood has found to be discordant. you don't need to be the target of police investigation. seventy south koreans are now being investigated, some journalists because they started to question where was during five hours in april when the wildfires in the eastern portion of the country were raising. don't even think of mentioning
the massacre of 1980. unless you accept narrative. it's a good idea in the south korea of 2019 to criticize what would cause the may 18 democratization movement. you don't want to use what he calls for posture sparks and it's a sin to mention that north korea might possibly have had a hand in those disturbances. now the appointment on the ninth of this month of the controversial possibly corrupt but certainly in favor of north korea, this is going to make the situation in the south even worse. his government has talked to silence other critics especially defectors from north korea, he doesn't want their voices to talk about their horrific nature of the regime.
also there starting to see what some conservatives call a great terror. radicals and soul putting up from wanted posters from north korea defectors, putting their lives in danger. enough precise way defectors ask scum. the notorious envelope with the associated flower wave have openly challenged critics of the government. those who criticized north kor korea. they are dangerous. they have invaded into classrooms for propaganda, they intruded into the offices which is a new site in seoul. they have actually broken into the offices of the human rights organization to disruptive functions. they have made public death threats and they have staged place in seoul showing people
bound with rope. they scuffled with police. no surprise then that many people in the opposition see democracy on the verge of collapse. especially something we saw in the 2018 statement. in short, opposition conservative voices have been pressured, prosecuted and coerced and harassed. in the south korea starting to see some of the fear on weekends. many people their faces try to make sure photographers don't catch them. their concern about retribution from the government. it wasn't supposed to be this way. when luke was inaugurated, he said i will strive to get rid of authoritarian practices in the presidency. the promise has not been kept.
he was once a human rights lawyer and campaigner for democracy. we can't blame him for authoritarianism in south korea, it's been there from the start. starting from the first president, we saw it during the storm and of course, to generals term president. nonetheless, we also saw succeeding, they moved to the pharmacy and legalization. we can clearly see south korea was a fourth-place drink was to predecessors. let's be clear about what is occurring in south korea now. it's the reversal of that it will process is to make south korea a more free society. some people have suggested that you went is special about two or
things have gotten that bad. the south korea of tomorrow could look like the south korea of the past. maybe even north korea. what's most disturbing is that mood has been trying to take down defenses of south korea. they talked about the september 2018 agreement reached with kim joe who went went. it clearly favors the attack. north korea much more then the defendant. they have taken down defenses, observation posts, fencing near that stone has also been implementation plans to make the south korea army smaller circumstances which are quite puzzling and he has been undermining south korea's alliance with the u.s.
there's one country that pledged to the defense of south korea. it's a country that rushed to south korea's defense after the north koreans crossed the parallel june 25, 1950, is the one country that has 28500 forces in south korea. now it is the u.s. most people in south korea support the allies. this was made clear by an institute on foreign relations people released in january. doesn't matter what most people in south korea think. they don't count politically the new south korea. what matters is what one person thinks. he has allowed his senior officials to mischaracterize the american alliance opinion, he
made it difficult for the united states to maintain its one pattern of the terminal high altitude area defense system and going behind the back of his only ally and protector, he came to an agreement with the chinese foreign ministry late october 2017, the infamous notes. known to south korea participation in ballistic missile defense, no 12 alliance with the u.s. and japan. these negative covenants made without us, they undermine our ability to bend the south. they are, as some have said, the difference to chinese fully supporting the north korean aggressor. i can't say that he hates america but when our president
visited south korea at the end of june, president trump stood next to moon and the first lady. the first lady was very conspicuously a blue butterfly brooch. i'm not sure our president understood the significance of the political statement but the blue butterfly has become a symbol of americanism in south korea. he was disrespecting not just president told, he was disrespecting the u.s. of america. let me close with just one point. in recent months, mood has been written. we sort of paid attention when terminated the military information sharing agreement a few weeks ago. i can understand the sentiment, although during world war ii was
one of millions, perhaps tens of millions of chinese who fled the japanese army. he was going to school he then walked west along with everybody else, he just got himself to places. he went to other cities, getting away from the chinese. no japanese official prosecuted that were, they are not alive today. no japanese who was in authority in korea during the station. it is alive today. one has to understand that regardless of how he feels, he needs japan. in the case of the north korea invading, in the case that chinese ate them like they did in the korean the u.s. for the japan's cooperation to defend south korea. we will need the forces we have
in japan, we will also need tokyo's active operation. i don't think moon particularly cares, he is pro- north korea china, it's a -- he's a danger to freedom. that means he's a danger to us. our frontline today of our freedom, hong kong and south korea. it's time for we americans to step up and defend. [applause] if you all agree with me, you can go home. [laughter]
if not, ask questions. i'll do my best but he is here, i feel safe. >> [inaudible question] >> the question is, will china intervene is the second part. his independence a real possibility? everyone whose smirk will tell you independence is not a real possibility. if you go back to 1997, the hand over, everyone was pro- beijing. the place was swarming with all sorts of red flags. five years ago, we started to see kids in the 20s where
t-shirts with the union check on them, what the ultimate disrespect of patient because it said was life was much better under a white master to was 5000 miles away, it's ruled by michael kind. but we have seen since that time is a movement tenets of identification of people in hong kong is not chinese. a week and a half ago, ten days ago, someone released a survey that showed for people of hong kong under 30 years old, 99% said they were not chinese. they said they were hong kong. that's an important move toward an independent state. last week we heard the national anthem of hong kong. some five people throughout society. what you get national anthem calls on your road to getting a
nation i don't think china -- china of course can kill everybody in hong kong. they are capable of doing, i don't think they are going to. i don't think they can have what's occurring right now. it's going and i don't think beijing has maybe he'll make housing cheaper and make life better from an economic. >> a few, that might have a marginal effect but it's not going to affect what people really think. right now they believe they should have their own society. all the slogans you hear or see in photographs, and independent hong kong state. it's going to be hard but it's not impossible. china doesn't want to intervene because of the reasons i mentioned in a wood and hong kong is a special financial center work a lot of communists
get the money out of the country. it is in some sense, protected. think they will intervene under one condition. when they think the people of hong kong are aspiring to protest throughout. people banded, they took a pull. it's hard to take people sensitive subject but if they were to take a poll, i think you would find about 99%, maybe 95% of the people did not sympathize with people hong kong. the few in mainland china, the average, they have everything. why are they complaining? but the people in hong kong have pushed them around and pushed beijing around. people in the mainland, it may actually be contacting if you look at the august indicators,
it's not growing the way it went was. they've got grievances and complaints. they may say i protest, the guys in hong kong push them around, quite a fight do the same thing? if they do it, i can do it. that's when the patient intervenes. i think beijing will intervene lightly but nonetheless, a desperate insecure communist state, they can do anything. >> what does china think? >> what's going to happen in 2047? the end of the 50 year period that was promised in the declaration. i don't know the answer to that, i think most people in beijing right now are not looking at 2047. i think they're looking at 2019
because right now they've got a situation where they can't control things. they've tried almost every tactic in hong kong, they put chinese sobers into the hong kong police. they have brought out folks, they have no got carried saying i want to talk to 150 randomly selected people. good luck with that. i don't think they are actually thinking that far ahead. they have two important anniversaries coming up. october 1, but hong kong is not going to be rejoicing in the reception of chinese will. they canceled the big fireworks to play october 1. they have another date coming up, which is next year, 100 anniversary of the founding of the communist party. i think what they are really trying to do is focus on the here and now. when it comes to 2047, who does.
test when you start to look at,e got candidates who criticize trump in china policies. if you look at the establishment of the democratic party, speaker pelosi minority leader schumer, they are on full board for what the president is doing. i think that really shows a remarkable acceptance of the view that china is an adversary. i call it an enemy because in may of this year, it may deflect people's but putting that aside, i think most people for 20 to come to a future of beijing's intentions. the question is, when do we start getting serious? i'm not in the president's head but one can make the argument
that he has identified china as america's enemy and he's going to put it down. we haven't heard from trump is the reagan statements which i believe he should be baking and he's probably not in the nature to make. but he's doing things which could very well bring down the communist party. ... on the stability of china. people ask do the trump terrace
causing the problem in china and the answer is no. china is causing its own problems. largely because of xi jinping's view on state domination of totalitarian controls. none of this is working but what we are seeing is i think trump's policies are having a marginal effect right at precisely the right time for what you want to do. and for what i want to do as well. i believe that coexistence is not possible. as much as we would like it, and we can be friends with the chinese people of course, we will be friends with the chinese people, just not with the communist party of china around. >> in the back. >> thank you. [inaudible question]
the first question is, was moon responsible from the impeachment and conviction of his predecessor? it sure looks like it. from all of the factors, especially because of what moon is doing now, i have to say the answer is yes. with regard to limen box, he's been quiet. tomorrow would be able to better answer the question i can. but you haven't heard his
voice. that is going to be something i'm sure moon fears because lee was, as you point out, a popular figure. jailed for one charge. >> what is the solution ãb [inaudible question] >> what would force him to step down? the question is what would force moon jae-in to step down? korea just came out a few hours ago with its most recent poll which showed that moon's approval rating was 40% and historical low. gallup korea just from donna generally has numbers higher than other surveys. moon is really unpopular.
part of it is the appointment of joei don't know if moon woul actually ever be impeached. but that is of course what people in south korea are now saying. the situation in south korea is volatile but if you got the conservative opposition doing well on april 15, then they very well may take revenge. as the question before talked about, people believe that moon is responsible for the unfair impeachment and conviction of pok. there is bloodlust right now. the question i think can be better answered on 16 april of next year. how much china is helping north korea in terms of nuclear
weapons program. >> the question is how much does china aided north korea nuclear weapons program. the answer is, a lot. if you look for instance there are couple things, we know that there has been a transfer substantial transfer of technology for north korea's missile program. the transporter erector lodges that north korea uses for its mobile missiles came from china. we learned that as the big parade on april 15, 2012 that tell for the cayenne oa came from china. also, the solid north korea has a lot of liquid fuel missiles. in august 2016 they tested their first solid fuel and they had two other tests of solid fuel missiles quickly after that that would lambaste. the question is, where did the north koreans get solid fuel technology there are two
missile analysts, one from israel one from texas who say the missiles but the north koreans launched in august 2016 and the two they launched in early 2017 look to be variances of china's j on watch to submarine missile. of course china has been supporting the north korean economy which allows the north to continue its ballistic missile and nuclear weapons program. they been laundering money for the north koreans. we don't have time today to run through all the list but the one thing i think is really important that people sometimes don't focus on is that there has always been this question the chinese essay, north koreans hate us. therefore we don't have influence on pyongyang. it's true that koreans hit the chinese, they have for two millennia. they fought so many wars. the border between korea and
china has moved hundreds of miles in both direction but that doesn't mean the chinese don't have influence. xi jinping, chinese ruler, summoned kim jong-un to north korea for streetr straight time before ãbthey may hate the chinese but they know they have to obey. the chinese don't always seek obedience but when they do, the north koreans comply. that shows you they could not run a ballistic missile program they could not run a nuclear weapons program if the chinese really didn't want it. [inaudible question] the question is, are the
protests in hong kong inspiring those in south korea? i think the answer is probably no. the protests in hong kong are doing something else, which is at least as important. they are changing the political calculus in taiwan. remember xi jinping believes the one country, two systems, formula for hong kong is really for taiwan as well. before these protests really started to take and get momentum on june 9, that was the one where there was maybe a million people in the streets. when the president of taiwan was not even going to be renominated by her party, the democratic progressive party she was out. she was stone cold dead politically. maybe a little bit of an exaggeration but she was not running again. she won the nomination of a party. today she is leaving in every poll in taiwan. her margin is not enormous, it's a long time between
september 19, 2019 and january of next year but by god, she's leading. everyone in taiwan says the reason why she's leaving is because of what's occurring in taiwan. also, the other thing we've seen in taiwan is that the campaign platforms and narratives of the opposition, they have changed. they have become a lot less beijing friendly. that's the effect of that. the thing about hong kong, hong kong is inspiring. you can't go to those demonstrations as we did. you can either read about them without being inspired by the grit and determination of the people of hong kong. the thing that i was most impressed by when we were there and we were there very long but the one thing that came through really quickly was the humanity of people in hong kong. that's inspirational.
had the occupy central with love and peace demonstration, 79 days, the feeling in the pan democratic movement was that the government bought off the leaders of that movement, placated them, so the protest ended. the demonstrators today both the older demonstrators and the younger ones just sort of think, you don't need leaders. we are just doing fine without them. in terms of south korea, the one thing that struck me when we were there a little while ago was how disorganized and disunited the opposition in south korea was. i was thinking that even though moon was really unpopular that moon ed his party the democratic party of korea could actually do very well on april 15. largely because the conservatives are more interested in fighting
themselves than they are in going after moon. i don't give advice to political parties outside the united states but if i did, i would say you guys have got to start to get together because you don't moon is going to kill you. in the back over there. [inaudible question] the question was senator condon mentioned that china cannot feed itself and where the application the lack the senator's right. the senators especially right now that the big population in china has been decimated by the
african swine flu. pork being the primary meat of chinese consumers, the chinese need to buy pork because they don't they aren't able to raise enough themselves. they have lost 30% of the pig heard. a week ago china repealed additional tariffs on american pork and people were saying, this is a goodwill gesture toward the trump administration. no it's not. these guys need to buy pork. one of the political problems right now in china is not how mean and nasty the communist party is, which it should be, but one of the main political problems right now for the party is the price of food staples. especially the price of pork. yes they can't feed themselves. it sort of changing. there's a couple things going on, first of all, china has two
very shortsighted policies put a lot of metals in the soil so it's taken some of the agricultural land out of the cycle. it also because with growing prosperity you got people who have got different tastes. the diet of the average chinese has been changing. in connection with economic development. that's when you have more meat and you have more other things and chinese people have trouble a lot. they've had really good french food and other stuff and they want it at home. the other story i think in terms of chinese consumers and food is they don't trust their own food supply anymore. chinese consumers will spend a lot to buy foreign food because they believe in purity and they don't believe in the safety and the purity of their own food. there's a lot of factors that have come to know one factor is enough but if you put all the
factors together and china cannot feed itself.this is becoming african swine flu a political problem for beijing at this moment. >> question about the labor unions in south korea. if and when the moon government loses in the april election next year, what you think that the labor union will start acting up to create major disturbances and the normal political process. >> the questions about the labor unions in south korea and whatever happens april 15th of next year do i think the labor unions would create disturbances in south korea? my sense is, no. largely because, and i want to ask tara to talk about it, my sense is no largely because if you get smashed in an election, which could very well happen on april 15, i think essentially they will be demoralized.
strengthened a hostile militant group that now threatens us and our friends and allies. i think we've seen in recent weeks so many examples in addition to the one you talked about we've seen so many different examples of the impossibility of cooperating with china. to give you one example everyone talks about business investment into china. what beijing is going to be doing is taking it social credit system and extending it to corporate's, including foreign corporate. social credit system is a nationwide program which rates every individual they get a score which is constantly updated based upon observable behaviors. if you j walk your score is going to go down if you say something nice about xi jinping your score will go up. you're doing this they will extend this to companies. we saw this what beijing will do to a company when it has the
power to do so and that was cathay pacific.in connection with the hong kong protest. cathay pacific now has a new german and new chief executive officer and they are now, according to apple daily, 200 vacancies that have been newly created.the reason why all of this personal changeover is because beijing has tried to purge the airline of those people who have protested or protected protesters. for instance, the ceo was canned because he refused to cooperate with china. he refused to turn over a list of cafc employees who have protested in hong kong. this is what beijing is going to do once it has the ability. this is question of disengagement. we would love to have american companies involved in making money in china but you can't do that because one of the thing that's going to happen is beijing will weapon eyes them against us and they will go
after those companies like they went after cathay pacific we have a stock of something like $256 billion of investment in the pupils are public. we could very well lose that largely because what we are seeing it's unfortunate but we are not driving this. if you want a graphic example of what can happen to an american company as opposed to cathay pacific, just look at what happened to fedex's pilot who was detained because he had plastic pellets in his luggage. they didn't decide to go after fedex. that was clear about six weeks ago in connection with misdirection of some packages for a while way they made fedex an enemy and they are now holding an american as hostage. this is the way a militant communist state deals with foreign companies. we got to understand that we got to protect americans. you can't protect americans if they are in china. it's unfortunate but what are
at the point is. the protesters in hong kong see this as a symbolic act. they want that past and the reason why they wanted past is even though it will hurt hong kong's economy they believe that anything that undermines the rule of the communist party going back to her point is good for them. by the way, although there is a lot of controversy in the united states about resident trumps tariffs that he imposed under section 301 of the trade act of 1974, as a remedy for the theft of intellectual property. not controversial among people who protest in hong kong. they say, is controversial in the sense that they want to tariffs higher. but the point is, they wanted. they want the united states to show its resolve in this and to do it in ways which we might think are just symbolic but for them are incredibly important because they want to support. two sundays ago three sundays ago you had the protest at the us consulate in hong kong there
were a thousand american flags flown that day outside our consulate. thank you very much. [applause] >> gordon, thank you so much. her website for people that wanted to get on b& [inaudible] i want to make one quick announcement. thank you so much that was an outstanding presentation. we are making a transcript in the video but i wanted to mention there is quite a few people here that are members of the north korea freedom coalition. probably one of the most important things defense foreign foundation is we have the honor of chairing the north korean freedom coalition. if you remember raise your hand. if you want to join us on
tuesday, tuesday is september 24. september 24 is the anniversary of when china became a signatory to the refugee convention which obligates it not to force people against their will back to a country where they will be persecuted. not a lot of people know about this about the situation but china has been be repatriating forcefully sending north koreans men women and children back to north korea knowing they will most certainly 100% be tortured 100% be detained and in some cases executed. so on september 24 we are organizing worldwide demonstration and asking people to show up at the chinese embassies and consulates to deliver petitions appealing to xi jinping to stop this illegal inhumane and brutal activity. if you want to join us we are going to assemble in front of the ãbfor a demonstration in
dc at 410 and then proceed to the chinese embassy for a vigil. want to mention that because we will be singing the same songs of the hong kong protesters are singing and people will be doing this all over the world in solidarity with the people of hong kong. one final point i want to make is this ties in together and just remember 2008 olympics there were so many, it doesn't matter if you're leftist or rightist in the united states, everybody was opposed to beijing getting the olympics and the argument was, this will be great because they will open up and they will become more open. this is helping china to reform and open up. that is just one of many lies about trade with china and everything because it has done nothing to help the people of
china. it's the communist party of china that's benefited from all this. that's when the persecution of the refugees became even more severe because china did not want the international community to see the horrific things they were doing to innocent men women and children that had escaped from north korea. with that i want to thank you all again for being here and if we could have one more round of applause for gordon outstanding conversation. [applause] >> this weekend booktv will feature three new nonfiction books. tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern donald trump junior talks about his book "triggered" on the tactics used by the political left that in his view slanders conservatives. then sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on afterwards, former ã ãtalks about her book "when
should law forgive" she's interviewed by georgetown law professor and former federal prosecutor paul butler. >> we are so punitive that even people who have served their sentences have these collateral consequences of their crimes not allowed to vote in many places. not allowed to have a professional license not allowed to keep their children not allowed to get housing in certain places, i think enough is enough. we should find ways to acknowledge forgiveness. we are imperfect as human beings, the law is imperfect. >> at 10:00 p.m. eastern former un ambassador nikki haley with her book "with all due respect". watch team every weekend on c-span2. andrew pollock the father of a student killed in the shooting at marjory stoneman high school in parkland florida offer his thoughts on school safety and
guns. here is a portion of the program. >> the people that got the attention in parkland with the gun people that wanted to say it was about a scary gun it was the nra and if it was not, i'd be appear telling you that's what it was. like i said, i was going to find out everything why and how my daughter got killed and it was all these leniency programs of these kids like they had the first kid before school he was so dangerous that i found out they frisked him and he wasn't allowed in with a backpack. that's how dangerous he was, he threatened to shoot the school up, he wasn't arrested. he threatened students lives, never arrested. at one point his mental health workers wrote a letter to his psychiatrist that they were worried they could find a hatchet. there was a hatchet missing in his garage and they didn't know what they should do with him. with the same mental case counselors overseeing him eight months later they recommended
him to be mainstreamed into the school district with my daughter the same people who that were under his care. for middle school he was infatuated with guns. in the book you can read the records that we got he said he wanted to kill. they had to tie his desk down in middle school and at the end of the day when they mainstreamed him back into high school the first class they put him in was jrotc where they taught him how to shoot and they gave him an air rifle. that's what's going on in the schools. >> to watch the rest of this program visit our website booktv.org, search for andrew pollock or his book "why meadow died" using the search at the top of the page. here's a look at what's coming up on booktv. in just a minute journalism professor pamela newkirk examines why diversity programs in america are working. then you will hear from military historian stephen harding and a group of american
aviators who escaped german occupied france in 1943. later journalist megan dom offers her thoughts on contemporary feminism. you can find more information by visiting book tv or checking your program guide. hello everyone. welcome back to barnes and noble upper west side. i'm really excited you are all here tonight. we have an amazing author who's going to be here talking about her new book and i hope you are as excited as i am. pamela newkirk for those of you who do not know her is an award-winning journalist and professor of journalism at new york university has written extensively about diversity in