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book came earlier in the year when i the press coverage of sara palin unfold and she to be on the national stage i was amazed at some of the exaggeration and distortions or been told about her and some of our most established news media. people said that she was a supporter of pappy cannon, she wasn't. people said she was a supporter of the alaskan independence party, she was not a member. rumors about the paternity of her youngest child were circulated on the web. [inaudible] all of these rumors and lies i decided we should catalog them to show not only the fact that all of these myths were propagated, but also try to ask for the question of why. i think the question of why it isn't a way more interesting question. sara palin has this unerring ability to summon up the worst feelings in her opponents. it is really quite amazing.

>> what is that quality? why is that quality they are invited to have the effect it had? >> of personal thing she represents most of the things that the left in this country want to change about america. they don't like her fourth right christianity. they don't like the fact that she is not a member of the feminist establishment. in fact she disagrees with a lot of mainstream feminism. they don't like that she is representing the people who are kind of left out of the obama revolution. the joe plumbers of the world. these are people who do not have graduate degrees, symbiotic from elite western, eastern universities. but the phone number is in the bottom the screen for our guest, mathis written his book on serin palin the persecution of sara palin. we're talking more specifically about the media

the subtitle is how the elite media tried to bring down a rising star. you talk about these rumors and lies who are the biggest offenders in the area? >> there were quite a few in the case of the "new york times" actually ran the alaskan independence party on the front pages. all of the main newspapers you go to the museums websites see the cover stories for i believe 2008 put all the front pages of the nation's newspapers. the front page were filled with news of sara palin's eldest daughter's pregnancy. this does not strike me as front-page news. or certainly not something to be fronted without any consideration of the effect it has on this family, the effect it has on the girl. for the fact that it will have on the child as he grows older. >> host: what about the web the blog? speech is pretty vitriolic.

the rumor about the far left websites. it was pretty par for the course and was being referred to and established newspapers as well. all these things kind of come to fruition. we have to be skeptical of them. because of the new media so much of our media we have to kind of take a step back and say hold it, what is going on here? is this true is it not? in the case of sara palin so much of it wasn't true. the month is 2010, 2012 beyond the role of the media, and these elections what do you see as the future? how will be playing out? >> based on her book i think she will continue to get negative press. i think palin has discovered another avenue to communicate. not only to her supporters but to people that may become interested about her as time progresses. that's the new media.

barack obama, one of his many achievements in the 2008 campaign was utilizing social media like youtube, twitter, these ways to communicate directly to your supporters. without getting much credit, sara palin is doing exactly tha that. her facebook has close to a million followers. in fact she is second only to barack obama and the number of friends on facebook among american politicians. twitter i think is around 15000 and last i checked earlier this week and growing. i into this mediation can commune kate she can also dispel some of the myths. some that she's not person policy for example party go facebook page almost every day there is a lengthy acacia posted there which includes footnotes under its policy issues of the day. >> first call for a guest new haven connecticut you are on hello. cement good morning guys. >> caller: i wanted to just agree with matthew.

i think it is a typical left wing media bashing of someone. to me they make themselves so obvious because you know, if she wasn't important. and she didn't matter, there would be no coverage of her. the fact of the matter is i think they are very afraid of her and they are going out of their way to discredit her and anyone that agrees with her. and it is just so obvious. i think the american people are so far beyond this kind of trashing. no matter what they do, this moment will rise. i don't know if she will run for office or not. i think she will.

and i just think it is typical left wing media. again they make themselves so obvious. if they didn't care they wouldn't cover her. cement thanks will hear from her gastric >> is persecution of sara palin heard i agree with you. it's funny to me as i was thinking of all of the politicians and the books, the coverage devoted to sara palin could remember she doesn't hold any office. she didn't when the vice presidency to john mckay yet she is the story of the week. everyone is talking about her. my favorite example so far, that negative coverage of her book is the ap. the ap had 11 reporters, 11 run a fact track of sara palin's book. it took 11 ap report is to discover that sara palin is ambitious. that's almost ludicrous in that manner of reporting on her and the reaction of her ability to drive her opponents bonkers is laughable

sometimes. >> you write the book about how the feral beasts hunted down his prey now she fought back. so aside from social media how else has she fought back? >> think the book is part of it. sara palin has been unable to tell her side of the story. and i think her book going rogue is her attempt to attempt to tell her side of what happened in the campaign. this is something she needs to do in order for her to start looking forward. i think while there is some policy discussing going rogue it is kind of backward looking telling people about her life. telling people about her experiences. both alaska and on the campaign trail. an ending with a brief look forward about what might be next. because if she doesn't tell her story, people like me will talk about the truth that has been said about her but if she does not tell her side of the story who will? certainly not the media.

cement collins is the publisher of sara palin's book which actually comes out tomorrow. she will be on the show today there is the cover going rogue. matthew is here to talk about his buckets about the media and sara palin. the persecution of sara palin is the title of his book. in fort lauderdale florida is right now. an independent color, hey there. cement good morning harry is doing? >> client main question is this, the mentality you're just focusing some ask hard questions of ms. palin, and it's either in a text or they are reacting negatively to her trying to be negative to her. just asking some hard questions is not going after them is it? and if you don't mind i was coming to hang on and maybe rebut what you have to say? >> okay. i have no problem with people asking hard questions and as i

write in the persecution of sara palin, think a real misstep or major misstep on the campaign trail was going to be at katie couric which even sara palin admits did not go well. she admitted that to oprah and she talks about in the book. now, every person every aspect of high office should be able to answer tough questions. what happened was sara palin wasn't answering tough questions it was a cultural revulsion it was the ability that any rumor could be parroted. every fact that might confirm this character of her as some sort of radical conservative bent on taking us back to the stone age was embraced. and every fact that contradicted it which i write in my book is most of her political profile from 2008. directly were bouts that cartoon what those facts were dismissed. don't respond?

>> guest: yes. it seems to me that everything you just said, she seems to have this mentality as many like her. any type of questioning where the slightest negativity right away isn't tack on them. looking forward to getting a hold of the book from everything i've heard both she seems like she's devoted to the skies are out to get me. there left wing media. >> would also want to add there? >> guest: there's something to the fact that people are out to get her. i think it has something to do with what the earlier caller said was that she is in many ways a threat i think to the current power configuration and washington. he recalled the only time that john mccain was winning the presidential election last year, the only time he was pulling ahead of barack obama

was between his announcement of sara palin to be as running mate in the collapsed of lehman brothers in 2008. one part of that equation john mclean had something to do with and that sticking sara palin for the other part either mccain nor palin or anyone else coming and they couldn't do much about it. mick also says the editor of the weekly standard and author of the king street gang the rise and fall the republican machine that some 2006 graduate of columbia, matthew texas call now from vista california. jeff, democrat line good morning. >> caller: matthew i am -- i think it's incredible that you are serious. i didn't get any of my negative feelings about sara palin from any left wing media. i got it from washing her and hearing her speak. and the fact that people referred these days even to liberal media, it appears to

be one of those things the sort of among conservatives a dinosaur. in the days when they're complaining about liberal media straight up and down liberal conservative for both. certainly not their talking points they called it liberal media. not sara palin but other people being trashed much more than her i think you raise an interesting point caller the negative feelings came from

watching palin i have to think one of the reasons people have a hard time taking palin seriously as the accent. and certainly not what you hear and there waves. certainly not what you hear on the coast. that is not from what we call a mainstream of american life think it rubs people the wrong way. and again she's had some shows a lot of catching up today. if you look at her closely now as i write towards the end of the persecution of sara palin, think she's doing some of that work. the good her facebook page you will see a policy that may not

be so visible during the cam pain. during the wall street journal journal this past week and sara palin make a comeback? the numbers occur among independence are strong and if you give her a chance? speech it when you look at public opinion sara palin. republicans lover, democratic hater. more disapprove than approve of her. somewhat navigable for her parentally about seven-point gap in the gallup poll, and that seven-point gap seems to hold other surveys as well. they have more independence approving of her than disapproving of her. and they could be serving moose burgers in the white house. mentor to twitter entries we look at media one of them says this. do you actually believe sara

palin writes her facebook entries? there is a nether one here when you believe she wrote the book herself? i believe she writes them to any political figure rights. and the material that they have under their name. politicians tend to be bosses, they like to run things. that is why they are politicians. so there's never a word that comes out of their camp or out of their name that has not that they are not intimately involved in what i've been struck as my read the excerpts coming from the book they are much sara palin's voice. now that voice is informal, it will be here on the talk shows it's very down to earth. that's her supporters like about her very back to st. louis cholla republican what you have to say? >> caller: i like sara palin i think she's very interesting

fact of the matter people are not going to like her what's independence that's a promise and she a hard time winning over independence the next presidential race. i don't think she has that same about her that she can win that base. my fear is, we have heard the republican party that's my biggest fear or to support people in her effort. that's something but a win, what's your take on it? you think she would had that direction? thanks? >> guest: i'm actually skeptical. this is something you hear about quite a bit. but i don't think it's going to happen. i mean sara palin has been a loyal republican since the age of 19. some people are saying oh you supported patrick buchanan 2000 or you remember the

alaskan independence party, but we want back and look to the voter registration for it and she has been a republican since 19. i'll see her leaving. but i do think it's important that the constituency that she represents, which is this tea party constituency. at the way the country is headed they want the big spending to stop or they don't want the democratic health care plans to be inactive. they don't want to see after your plan put in place. those voters are going to be integral to any one. she is going to have to be included to any republican movement others in the 2010 elections or 2012 elections, with palin to be like oregano she needs to get to the center. but here's the thing she did it before but i write in the

persecution of sara palin, that sara palin he ran for the governor of alaska in 2006 is not this hard bid and cultural lawyer that we hear about in the media. it someone very different. someone who is campaigning on bipartisan issues, ethics reform, taking to the oil companies changing tax codes for companies. making the critique the people of alaska being left out of this culture in the state capital in juneau. on something similar to that on a national scale the next calls and independent from june from bloomington, indiana indiana. retirement sara palin and the media. hello there. >> caller: hello. again i first saw i was in a lower level in other states. and had no idea who's like

running into a den of lions. it was like the new kid on the block. i think she has a great deal to offer she is imperfect as many politicians are pretty think she is horribly maligned in indiana where i live, it astounds me how much people, the females especially. : : : will continue to get out and work for her. she had more political experience than obama, and they pushed everything aside. she raised a family, was a

parent, was an athlete. so i hope it's in there and she's capable of doing it x., yes, remember she and mccain almost won the presidential election. >> guest: caller, i also think you'll enjoy the persecution of sarah palin. gotta plug my book there. i do think it's some of the ferocity may have been because sarah palin was a woman, different than the typical women we see on stage, most of whom are older. they're past the age of raising their kids. sarahsarah palin are very young. and most of the most prominent women in politics are pro-choice, and the one thing almost everyone knows about her is she's pro-life. i was fascinated over the weekend when i heard hillary clinton told george stephanopoulos she'd be interested in meeting sarah a

palin. and i think that was also an acknowledgment of palin's frequent mention of clinton's name on the campaign trail as a trailblazerrer for female politicians, but i also think it was a savvy political maneuver. i quote one of the democrats favorably in my book, "bill clinton," who understood early on that people, a lot of people -- not everybody by any means, but a lot of americans -- look at sarah palin and say, you know what? she talks like i do, she has the same values i do, i kind of like her. >> host: to sarah palin's book itself, dan balz wrote in the post over the weekend and asks is palin's book tour merely an opening chapter could provide subtext to her political plans, particularly any presidential aspirations. so in addition to her book, the tour follows, various states, mauler cities from what --

smaller cities from what we understand. the but it provides a discussion for what kind of political future she may have. in defining a political philosophy that could help her party win elections and turning into a viable national candidate. first of all, there's something called palinism. [laughter] >> guest: there's definitely palin critics. i'm not quite sure we've hit palinism yet, though i think balz makes an excellent point because that is the $50,000 question, will she be able to take this great support she is from the grassroots and make it into something bigger. i think if she adopted a free market populism saying run against washington, run against the e recents trying to manage the economy and trying to design america according to their e own theories about how society

should work, i think that could get some traction. but i also think she's going to have to prove to those independent voters that she's familiar with the issues, that she can hold her own in debate -- which i i think she did, as i i talk about in my book, i think she more than held her own against joe biden in the vice presidential debate. and then down the line, i do i think she's going to have to go up for a rematch against kate i think couric. katie couric. >> caller: great interview. that would be a blast. i think sarah palin would look like a deer caught in the headlights, and i'm sure what did she do for alaska? not that much. they have the highest crystal meth problem. i mean, come on. people are alcoholics. 286 seniors died under her watch because she didn't want to fund the senior homes, so give me a break, nancy, and go home and --

[inaudible] i'm so over you. >> guest: i don't have a poster over my bed. that is the democratic critique of sarah palin. it goes back to her record in alaska which i'm happy to hear, because so much of the create e teak of sarah palin last year had nothing to do with her record in alaska. it's amazing, "the washington post" and the new york times went to alaska, sent teams of reporters and basically interviewed everyone who had something negative to say and never really acknowledging that she had the highest approval ratings of any republican politician in the country at the time that john mccain nominated her for the vice presidency. so, yeah, like any politician, the record can be, has its highs and lows. but until he was nominated for the vice president and became this, e treatmently polarizing political figure, she was remarkably popular. there has to be a reason for that. >> host: san antonio, jack on the republican line. good morning to you.

>> caller: goodgood morning, mr. continetti. i'd like your comment on a couple items, one is the resignation of her governorship. it seemed that the democrats were going way out of their way abusing the legal system to file these sort of ludicrous actions against her which eventually, i guess, drove up her legal bills. he was going through, i guess, her life savings. and what's really ironic is you see the left criticizing her after they orchestrate thed this situation -- orchestrated the situation. the other item i noticed is that the create schism of her seems to be based more on how she seemed to break the liberal mold of a successful woman, someone who actually sacrificed family for a career is and who, up ted of being -- instead of being, you know, having a good family, good marriage, etc., etc., basically, you know, is getting

the goal, getting what he wants in life without following that typical path. thank you very much. >> guest: yeah. both great questions. first on the resignation, i'm not sure she's fully or adequately explained it yet. but the situation that she returned to once the election was over was more or less untenable for her. especially considering that she wasn't thinking of running for a second term as governor. when i went to alaska to research my book, there were plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum who told me that they didn't think sarah was going to run for a second term. no one toll me -- told me, though, that they thought she might resign ahead of time. and it speaks to her, i think, impulsiveness. the reason she did it was these mounting criminal complaints against her, most of which have been dismissed and are really

kind of frivolous. you are fictional characters in some cases. but i actually think the more important reason that had to do with it -- well, there were two other important reasons. one was we tend to forget because, of course, this wasn't covered when he appeared on the national stage. the bulk of her support in the alaska state legislature came from democrats because she had run on a campaign of reform and had really overturned the republican power structure in alaska. as a result, not many republicans in alaska like her to this day. so in order to get those three major bills through the legislature, the ethics reform, the oil tax reform and the natural gas pipeline go through, she relied heavily on democrats. well, as soon as she became john mccain's running mate, that democratic support evaporated. so when sarah palin returned to juneau, he couldn't get anything through the legislature since the republicans hated her for taking down frank murkowski and going up against the state party chair, and the democrats hated

her for being sarah palin. so when you combine that with the ethics complaints and then, thirdly, her new political persona. here she is now the most famous republican woman in the world with a national fellowing, and every time she left alaska to visit with sporters, she'd be pilaried for out in the local press. i think she saw those three things and said, you know what? it's time to move on, time to tell my side. on the feminism, i actually have a whole chapter devoted to feminism in the persecution of sarah palin. and i think the caller is right, i think there is a narrative that for many women you have to trade off a successful personal life for professional success. and sarah palin shows that's not necessarily the case. and i think that got her demeaned and criticized and, of course, made fun of in some cases and ridiculed in others by the establishment. >> host: caller now who tells us she's from alaska but is calling

from arizona, linda on the independent line. hi there. >> caller: good morning. >> host: morning. >> caller: well, first of all, i would like to say that sarah gave her reason for resigning, and that was because she owed $500,000 in legal fees for defending herself against so many ethics complaints. of which she was convicted of several of them including taking money for food, for eating at her home from the state, taking money for talking her family traveling around the country and several others that she was not convicted of, but there were still muddy waters when it was solved, at least in the eyes of many alaskans such as firing the chief of the troopers and some of the others. >> host: what does all that mean to you, caller? >> caller: i personally, i voted for her. i was willing to give her a chance to see if she could do what she promised she would do as governor. she did very, very little of what he promised.

finish in my eyes, she became a drama queen, and anytime things didn't go her way, anytime she got create schism, she became -- criticism, she became poisonous, venomous towards the people who criticized her. she could not live with even a small bit of criticism. how ridiculous of her to puck on mccain staffers in the book. i don't plan to read the book, but i did see she's complaining about mccain staffers. that shows how low level she's going to take it. >> host: mr. continetti. >> guest: yeah. on the mccain issue, i think it wasn't necessarily sarah a palin picking on the mccain advisers but responding to the mccain advisers picking on her. there was an attempt by the mccain advisers talking on background -- we don't know their identities -- to blame sarah pay e lin for mccain's loss. i totally disagree. i think if anything she helped

john mccain close that gap with barack obama. and i think there are many, many people who vote for john mccain who wouldn't have had sarah palin not been on the ticket. she excited the republican grassroots. i i think she's more trying to put her side of the story out there. the caller makes a good point on the per diem issue. i don't exonerate sarah palin of everything in the persecution of sarah palin. like all political figures, she has her pluses and minuses. on the troopergate issue, the firing of the head of the d. of public safety, while there was one political report which tried to blame her for not taking steps to stop her husband todd from contacting the head of public safety, the other report by the judicial counsel exonerated her. >> host: from politico, the mccain camp, palin account all fiction, they where the top aides to senator mccain's camp hut back at sarah palin over the weekend calling the former vice presidential nominee's soon to

be released book revisionist and self-serving fiction. campaign manager steve schmidt who emerges as palin's nemesis in the advanced excerpts, he told politico her charms about hum -- charges about him were made up. and "usa today" says mccain calls palin's book a good account. he says he's actually read it, a good account. he did acknowledge tensions, a lot of back and forth and contradictions, but he said it's a great book. what to believe, right? [laughter] >> guest: exactly. well, it kind of takes, returns us to the mccain campaign which was a pretty ramshackle organization throughout, throughout the entire time john mccain was running for president. and schmidt has now emerged as one of palin's biggest critics, and she hits back in this book from what we know. but i would say she can hit back now, but the callers make comment points. if she wants a political figure, she's going to have to start

talking about the country as a whole. she's going to have to use that criticism she's training somewhat on steve schmidt, she's going to have to a aim it at barack obama. >> host: you did mention policy, so there's this twitter question: pay-in lacks substance and has to pander to red state values for higher q values or ratingsing. not so much a question, but a comment. it gets back to your point about the facebook page and other direct to the voter ways of communicating. what is she saying policy wise? >> guest: well, basically it's the conservative message at this point. health care would load us with more regulations, would add to the cost of business, it would are have unforeseen consequences not all of which would be good. she says the cap and trade bill is an act to raise energy prices and that if you're going to do responsible things about energy reform, why not start drugging offshore -- drilling offshore. she's going after the obama budget saying it spends too much money, that you have to be more

careful about how you pend this money. so it's more or less the republican critique of the obama policies. i would say with the twitter comment, raises a good point. she's been judged by the court of public opinion for now. but the thing is opinions of public leaders change over time. look at hillary clinton. she's one of the most polarizing figures in american politics. he she came razor edge close to winning the democratic presidential nomination, and she's one of the more popular figures in the obama cabinet. look at ronald reagan whose political career had been declared dead many times before he won the presidency. >> host: quick word about the dynamics within the party, we found this piece in "the new york times"es about charlie crist, sure-fire florida republican becomes a right-wing target. they write e that conservative groups, commentators and politicians are supporting a primary challenge by marco rubio, former speaker of the

florida house, a reaganite answer to -- [inaudible] by the national review. what's going on there and within the party? >> guest: well, it's same thing we saw, the special election in new york 23, the special congressional election just two weeks ago, and we're seeing it here with florida. there is a revolt among the conservative grassroots against establishment are republicanism, and so in the case of the new york 23 race, the conservative voters wanted nothing to do with the liberal republican who'd within put on the ticket by the party establishment or the local party bosses and backed by the republican establishment here in d.c. something similar is happening with the race between charlie crist and marco rubio. the most enthusiast ebb voters are on the right, the people who do the marches. any, if the republican party wants a future, they're going to have to find a way to get those voters involved and active. remember, it's the same thing that happened with the democrats

after the 2004 election. at first a lot of people were saying about so-called net roots, oh, they're going to hurt the party. the democratic party was able to incorporate the net roots voters while also reaching out to the middle. and then we have 2006, and we have barack obama in the white house in 2008. >> host: back to your calls. washington, d.c., alex, democratic line. morning. >> caller: good morning. how are you? >> host: fine. >> guest: i'm listening to some of the things that you're saying about sarah palin being down to earth and speaking the language of the people, and i think we shouldn't confuse speaking the language of the people between having a naive view of things. god help us if this woman ever becomes president. her approach and her whole view of things is so simplistic and so naive, and the world is not like that. the world is much more complex, requires much more complex thinking than sarah a palin's capable of. and, you know, about as another

caller said, just listen to what she said during her interviews, and you will see that the woman has no knowledge, no depth, no -- [inaudible] in any area whatsoever. >> host: mr. continetti. >> guest: yeah, i think you raise an interesting point with this idea of fist caution and the world being too complex for sarah palin's message x. i think one dividing line in our politics today is exactly i along those lines. the for lack of a better world, the liberal view of reality is that if it's so complex that it takeses people with a more sophisticated technocratic background in order to manipulate it so that we get the outcomes we want, again for lack of a better word, the conservative view would say, well, that may be true to some point. but really what's also necessary is a set of foundational principles, a set of values. because the world is so complex, we don't always have the answer to everything, and, of course, because we're human beings, we

often just don't know enough in order to change the world to our liking. so more important than expertise knowledge would be political values. and i think that sanders a pay lip's supporters look at her -- i'd also mention the one intereveryone goes back to is the katie couric interview, and that interview was bad. sarah palin admits it to this day. but that was one interview. he gave many others. she gave many others. and if you look at those interviews, you may have a different opinion. >> host: tampa. ruth, republican. good morning. >> caller: good. morning. i like her because she is honest. even the helen thomas said at a conference that this administration pre-boxes their answers and questions, and sarah by e lin when she gives her interview, she gives it from the heart. and obama is is surrounded by communist czars.

i think sarah would take a good cabinet, not necessarily what he likes, but what people want to hear. obama, he has to read what the teleprompter says, that's the sad a part. >> host: will you see a lot more interviews as opposed to the direct to voter? >> guest: well, we're seeing the big name interviews this week with the book rollout, o ---- oprah winfrey, barb a walters. -- barb what walters. if she is serious about continuing to be a national political figure, she's going to have to return to those more serious interviews. and like i said, she's going to have to revisit not only charlie gibson, but also katie couric and the other networks. she just has to prove that she can handle them. once she does that, then i think people's opinions of her may change. the bar is set so low that it's

actually rather easy to walk right over it. >> host: grand junction, colorado, last call is from ray on the independent hine are. hi there. >> caller: hi. yeah, i'm an independent, been one a long time. ex-function their of the reform party, and i think sarah pay runs was the brightest light in the republican campaign last year. it looked to me like our hero, mccain, was going into the dumper until she showed up. and i think that the people are, oh, you should understand another thing. very little chance i'd vote for her for president because we've had enough people like bush and so forth in there. and she would be the extreme of that. the other part of it is i think the republican party is really missing the boat by not sending a team there to groom her, because she shows things on tv

that don't look good for her. some of the people, one of the earlier callers mentioned a, sort of an image of shallowness. i don't see that. someone else said that people thought the world too technocratic. in the phone booth where the majority rule, that doesn't matter a whole lot on account of when you get in the phone booth, there are people who are thinking an awful lot like she thinks. thanks. >> host: final thoughts. >> guest: yeah. i'd mention two things. one is the caller mentioned bush, and i think bush hurt palin. i think the country had gone through eight years of george w. bush, we had gone through two wars, unpopular wars, bush's unpopularity was extremely high, and we were also entering, we entered a recession in september

2007. and there are some similarities between pay e lin's political profile and bush's. to that extent, i think she was hurt by the bush hangover which is going to continue for some time. so that may limit her ceiling, if you will, her political future. otherwise i'm just fascinated with the reaction to my booker the reaction to her book. the reaction to her as a person. she's not going anywhere. that's for sure. everyone has an opinion about sarah a palin, and she seems to be, she seems to like being in the middle of things. >> host: her book comes out tomorrow officially, but matthew continue net few's been talking about husband book, "the persecution of sarah palin: how the elite media tried to bring down a rising star." we appreciate your time this monday morning. >> caller: thank you. >> here's a look at some books being published this week. historian rick perlstein completes his trilogy on the rise of modern conservativism in american politics in reagan

land. in doesn't hurt to ask, attorney and former republican congressman trey gowdy of south carolina provides his guidance on how to effectively communicate with others. and jonathan wrapping, founder of the public defense organization gideon's promise offers his thoughts on how to change the criminal justice system. also being published in still right, msnbc political analyst rick tyler makes his case for how conservative principles can tackle today's political issues. nation magazine contributing writer richard citer provides a history of secession movements in the united states in break it up. and political commentators known as diamond and silk reflect on their lives in uprising. find these titles this coming week wherever books are sold and watch for many of the authors in the near future on booktv on c-span2. >> during a virtual event hosted by harvard bookstore, former

charlottes, virginia, major michael mayer discussed the challenges he felt during the protests in charlottesville in 2017. in this portion of the program, he offers husband thoughts on the -- his thoughts on the role the government can play in addressing the current protests against police brutality. >> there are way too many books occupant there that are sanitized, about politics, about government that are sort of constructed around the hollywood-ized narrative where there's a hero and there's a villain and there's a clear structure and there's a clear takeaway. and so the fact of it is when you're in a crisis especially now where social media and where the extremes on both sides created such intensity and such conflict and the cadence of it is so rapid and so intense, it's unlikely that the hollywood or the sanitized version is going to mirror newing of what the

actual leaders went through. and the reason this is so important is if we're going to handle, like, right now today everybody's minds are on the crisis of the last two weeks which is horrific, racist police brutality sitting on top of a 400 years organized oppression and brutal few toward black and brown people in this country. and where there's been some progress but, or clearly, not nearly enough. and in a lot of ways, we've back pedaled x. so this is the reality of the experience that people have when people witness police brutality, and they have witnessed 16 times -- an average black family has 16 times less wealth than the average white family, and the average blacks are four times as likely to be sentenced to -- or to be charged with marijuana crime as white. to these disparities are current, they're present, they're real, and they began in

history. those are all true facts. but the question is if we're going to deal with them, it's going to require government. it's not going to -- government is a means to the end of solving problems, and the kind of government that we have, it's not a government of dictatorships, and it's not giving ab order. -- an order. it is humans, a lot of the times very strong, differing people, positions and passions getting position in a deliberative process, and a lot of time in city council chambers, trying to come up with answers, working on policies using government to get them done. and there was this article in "the new york times"es which said that for minneapolis to dismantle successfully their police force and deal with this longstanding problem they've had, that's going to take at least a year for them to deal with the budget and the police union and the contracts in the way that the funds are to obligated. and my point is that's going to require government. that's going to require what

this book is about which is people who are willing, who have thick enough skin and who -- big enough hearts and who care about the ins and outs of what, or quote-unquote, leadership is. ordinary people talking on a position of trying to get something done in the system. and the book, it's hard. local government is hard. it's the most proximate, the most intense kind of government, i would say, because when you are failing somebody, it is right in your face at the grocery store or in the parking lot or at the bagel shop as i tell in the book. and when people are frustrated, it's going to be right at the city council chambers. and a lot of the battles about how to get answers done are also going to be incredibly e intimate. and the book, you know, the book is a pretty intense -- it was very intense to write, it's pretty intense to read because you have a lot of opening

conflicts and a lot of demands and anger. but to me, the devil's in the details. if we're actually going to deal with injustice in this country, we're going to have to understand the details. >> to watch the rest of this program, visit our web site, booktv.org. type michael cigar in or the title of his book, cry havoc, into the search box at the top of the page. >> here are some of the current best selling nonfiction books according to politics & prose bookstore in washington d.c. topping the list is president trump's niece, mary trump, and her critical look at the president and the trump family in her book, "too much and never enough." after that in twilight of democracy, pulitzer prize-winning author ann applebaum looks at the rise of authoritarianism and nationalism around the world followed by the argument that america must choose to be anti-racist and work towards building a more equitable society in "how to be an anti-racist." friends jordan and christopher

traveled the country together in an attempt to find a common dialogue in "union." and wrapping up our look at some of the best selling nonfiction books according to politics and prose bookstore is me and white supremacy by good ancestor podcast host lei that saad. most of these authors have e appeared on booktv, and you can watch them online at booktv.org. >> host: and now joining us on booktv is mitch kaplan. he is the owner of books and books bookstores in the miami area. we last spoke with mr. kaplan on march 17th when the pandemic started. and, mr. kaplan, i think you just reminded me that was the day books and books shut down, is that correct? >> guest: that's right, peter. at that point we became a virtual book shop at that point. the only business we were doing was online, and we were just exploring how to do our