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representing four years of angst and anxiety and anger, and many of us saw this coming from a mile away. and i think a representative probably millions of americans who felt the same way. at the very moment, the entire country including myself recognize the fragility among the democracy read i have great appreciation for the traditions of the congress and decorum and i do not like to violated vet, i do not regret it because it was what i was feeling and it was four years of pent up anxiety about what was transparent right in front of our ice pretty. >> this week you'll also hear from democrat jamie raskin of maryland republican. in january 6, views from the house, sunday night had ten eastern on c-span, cspan.org or is on the c-span radio app.
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>> how are you. >> i am great chuck good to talk with you. >> the me start by saying that i read your book and i thoroughly enjoyed it. it really was a good read, i'm so glad that you wrote it but my first question, you know, the book really chronicles your entire year which obviously it was a tremendous career thank you had an expanded for five decades but you chose to really start with december 20th of 2014, the murder of officer, why did you choose that event to really start this book. >> well for several reasons, one it was one of the most significant and importantly horrific events in just a year career. when you lose two officers at one time, and frankly still an exception but it was such a
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horrible tragedy to make five days just before christmas and secondly, it was unfortunately reflective of what was going on and eventually accelerated over the next several years, the breakdown of trust between the police and so many communities in the country, this anger directed toward the police and anger, and they murder to officer so it seemed to me that an appropriate place to stack data from the conversation in a third reason was that ironically, it took me back almost 50 years to where i began my career in 1970 bolton. and you are beginning your career in chicago read and washington police officer occurred just as i was coming into the business and walter, two years later in his brother and police detective was murdered in the also in boston
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police. [inaudible]. and so i had that - back then but there was also time in the early 70s with anger between police experience in the black community was so difficult, it was resulting in tremendous violence. between the two and so it kind of took me back a few years 50 years, so i decided to stack the framing the conversation of how did we get there. and that's what i decided to do the book to try to explain that it got to this point in our country's history. charles: you do cover your current early career but also your childhood. [laughter] [laughter] born in massachusetts, working class family, dad holding two jobs. nobody in your family was a police officer in your state in your book, that you always as long as you can remember you wanted to be a police officer. in fact your mother probably
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didn't think so at the time when you were about a year and holding you and out into the street to try to directed traffic. [inaudible]. bill: i don't want to correct my mother but that's a story that she told saul stick with it. it. charles: subtype a little bit about how you got to, while a lot of us may be a family member or whatever but it seems like you just kind of like new at a very young age. bill: growing up in the 50s, i'm so glad that i have the 50s as a childhood experience because of some different than white kids go through today. the television shows of that era, some anymore police related. when adam 12, at a speed and the television at that era really betrayed the police in a very positive light. that joe friday and others and
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so a kid of eight or nine or ten or 11 years old, that was very influential. simultaneous to that, i was an avid reader and was in and out of the library and in that library building was also the local police station so i checked out a book have a talk about the police there. new york city police in the 1950s and 1960s by then would watch the cops really much out of the station house, two by two and in the back of the paddy wagon to be delivered very few actually. the influence back then wasn't very different than what kids watching tv in the movies today and i would argue probably more bad stories about cops on tv now than good ones today. charles: i would agree with that and i have a question about that so let's fast-forward a bit. you come back from the home and
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at october 1970, you had an opportunity to go with the police department what you did rated talk a little bit and give the readers a sense of what boston was like in 1970 and just as importantly, with the police department look like in 1970. bill: just aside, bit mentioning vietnam and military experience, enjoyed rather than drafted to be your summary. i joined one to extend one extra year in return for that, what assignment you could get into and i wanted to be a military policeman. so since i was only 18 years of age, i had to go in for an extra year to be 21 so however, unbeknownst to me, the military police at that time were also century dog handlers so that i was going be running around military police uniform and spent a few years actually walking a dog. [laughter]
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and so my policing career began working with century dog spray to many go back very quickly in the boston police department, expanding to fulfill a union contract and unions were just starting at the time. and i wrestled with the unions for the rest of our career. one of the things they were negotiating was with two officers in any crowd had have two officers so i benefited from the fact that boston and i and a couple of other cops at the time with staff of those crowds. but what i what was called a profession but it didn't have any of the hallmarks profession. really had no knowledge and no research. very few people with a college education and quality of police leadership. and it was, at least the force was needed. the corruption was not on the
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scale of what we know of in new york but it was there. and race issue was there also the department was almost white. if you brought blacks on the force, it was a trying coming out of the civil rights era pretty washington was one of the most segregated cities in american literally my first ten years on the job, i spent five of those years in the midst of the blessing desegregation and housing desegregation battles in boston. and they were all out battles. they did not happen peacefully in boston. charles: that was an interesting lady, your time in boston. and you knew that you started your career in boston. but a lot of people really humanity influential and certainly outside chief became that really began to credit shake things up in the boston
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police department. i met him in a moment and also whether or not he really played a role of influencing you later in life. and then you would leave your own department. bill: the gentleman you are referring to as bob, now deceased. he was brought in as an outsider and had no confidence as to the leadership of washington department had changed when he felt needed to be changed. so he did the unheard of involving an outsider. he was at that time, superintendent of the st. louis county. he came in and he is 6-foot two and 6-foot 3 inches tall in italian and partially irish police department and he had an afro if you can believe in terms of what he did. some of the afros out there at the time.
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and they just were in suits and ties. in his was an old - and was driven by uniform traffic officer with a white hat rated and he got rid of that. and drove up baby blue dodge with a dark blue vinyl roof. in a drove himself. [laughter] so this is a symbolism of pain. but several things, he was my role model and inspiration because the ended up eventually being pushed out of office. which happened to me a couple of times as you know. a profoundly change the boston police department and he created the younger officer such as myself to become disillusioned at getting ahead in the department to think that you in this era could literally within five years, and the youngest
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sergeant had been promoted in history of the department at that time. billy also was intending to see but long after he was on the leadership of the police department in college eddie educated and abroad brought the victorious is stunning for the most examples and if you think of the succession of police commissioners of boston all over new york, paul evans, billy evans was a clerk working for me, young sergeant and kathy o'toole, and most of the leadership of the '90s and into the 31st century came from the changes that he made in the 70s. that is a role model for me and sense of anyplace that i had gone, philadelphia, dc, you worth and for the time being that you were there but to try to create change and go on long after we were gone. at least that is the case new york. to a lesser extent in boston. i thank you so certainly the
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case in los angeles where my successors and la, charlie back and others. both of whom you also work with. charles: brought me back in a time of it when you tell a story about how the commissioner who did roll call and if you commit old a cardinal sin of actually asking a question. >> can you imagine that pretty. charles: when you say there any questions and no hand the skills credit you raise your hand and you ask a question and tell us a little bit about that pretty. bill: you know chuck, the outsiders coming into the department of how you really begin to see and by getting out and walking around and showing of the rollcall and showing up at all hours of the night. you going to catch them basically solicit to make yourself available and that is something that he did, he made it a point of getting out to every station and introduce himself and at that time i become so disillusioned with the
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boston police that i was actually looking to move to suburban police department was actually earning at the time. and that rollcall and i've been hearing good things about him. and i was desperate to get out of there that particular distinct from district which was the epigram of the department. i didn't have any connections i didn't know anybody i was stuck there. and it was chuck, is awful and there was no money if you well in those days of your desperate for overtime or patent details. it and i was happy leaking in any changes the department as well as the idea showing of it rollcall so i had the audacity with all of the leadership of the district, looking at us and i raised my hand. as you know, i raised a hand to as a question and he jumped at me as it yes which are question
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and i said hello get out of here. he was all taken back and he said that he get out here and i said yes i've been looking to transfer out of here and he turns to some scales behind him and is, but what about this. and everybody me just kind of laughed and laughed. if you submitted transfer request went to the circular file immediately and he was not aware of that. [laughter] but by happenstance a very good friend of mine was with me had gone into one of the units that he created. anticorruption unit a special litigation unit. but with his name, he was aware of my dissolution and he felt that the department, he felt that i stayed there for all of the changes occurring sophie in my name up, and he had my name on that rollcall and few days
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later behind the desk. and he looks up and he said we can you tell us. and he said heck out of here given transferred to district 14. as a thank you sergeant at the door i went. so my career at the police department is changed. in the things that he did the corruption the detectives find the time come they took care of the gambling in the communications etc. this was no secret. and nobody would do anything about it grading on a saturday morning he transferred every one of them. and that said the saturday morning mass, known as send the message loud and clear, there was a new game in town. secondly, he brought in five waistcoats, five outside yoga grads were just extraordinary.
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gary hayes, police executive research and bob washington as you know and i know very well, even a mentor to me. still think he's one of the smartest people in the business. and he brought in mike, be totally transformed this terrible service system to allow young people get promoted in a totally change the academy training at one of the people brought in from the outside was another but just he passed away here he could rated the association housetrained for a period of time myself and talk, one of the young student we actually share desk the police headquarters at the commissioner's office for a period of time so when you look at these young minds just changed everything, they created a research committee and it 26 people assigned to planning research. in the open up to redo the rules and regulations of the boston police department and were looking for volunteers and i as
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a young police officer, led the idea of once again i raise my hand and if i went. i'm sitting by the chief of department and superintendents. and that was gives and i was living it. i had a voice in the position. and they never liked me for that because the union did not want to work with them and they hated us right from the beginning which is fascinating hit. actually but he was doing was for the benefit of the department. in any event, they're still in touch with his wife and she was down because he passed away one of a couple of years ago. one of my great joys and you will appreciate this, when i was sworn in as the chief in los angeles, i invited her up the ceremony. and his wife said it was one of the greatest joys to see what he had created back in 1975. and former police chief now los angeles and he could not get over it, the idea that the dream
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that he hadn't 75a. was 40 years later still have branches read cedric you know, as you were thinking it back on those days in boston, is absolutely incredible that much talent in one place at the same time. that is very unusual in any police department it and there's always talent there for the level of talent that you just described, i just don't know if that existed elsewhere. if it maybe so but i can't think of a place that had that many same time. it. bill: let's just as important was by bringing in the outsiders, in that era that didn't bring in the outsiders. but he also unleashed and unlocked the doors to allow talent within the department who are risk takers, people like myself to flourish and take those exams into joint these
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committees. and there are a number of other names that came out of that going forward but you and i long-term friends of chuck, had so much to really shape the gary hayes back in the 70s and expanded his predecessor had developed in the 80s. and even to this day the influence of the house now. charles: if you fast-forward a little bit, you leave boston, and something that i did not know until redbook read present you with a chief of the massachusetts bay transit authority. now i knew about your new york city transit work. but i did not know about the massachusetts transit work. but those are two departments that are quite different from the big city policing. but i would call big city policing talk about some of the challenges of something issues
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that you have in dealing with that type of police department. bill: most of those organizations reference the meca police, and mta in the earlier versions. girl enough to know that song back in the 60s. in boston, i visited the rank of super internet in chief, the highest ranking of office in ten years. but, moved ahead probably too fast and young guys and i made innocent enough mistakes. but otherwise, so that by 1983, i could bounce back and then had come back and not satisfied because i was in a sense, locked into a closet.
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and my and trying a life preserver's throne to me. there was a very troubled system particular the police department. sixty-eight person department try to cover 79 cities and towns with this system sort of and after thinking about it, i took the risk. i went from a 2800 person department to a 68 person department that was widely disrespected and totally ineffective. i'm really one of the best decisions i made in my life because it gave me so much intimacy with getting into a small organizations and really testing my abilities to turn that organization around. and my role model, the outsider coming in rated and learned so much and assisted greatly and by the time also with the washington police department and he was at the time, consulting and i think was actually chief of operations for lee brown.
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in houston texas and nestlé was taking on the good old boys at the houston pd. and actually went down there to meet with bob and work with him and develop a plan of action including redesigning police cars. and my first major plan of action was to develop it into into the transit organization. in the fact that it covers so much territory versus the city municipality. and i think five different counties. and i was an literally 78 cities and towns. and those challenges were immense and that subways and follies and basically. i had a lot of fun. about a couple of people on board, now sweeney life long friend. we go back a long way and once
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again, the police department, gino is like planning a wedding. something old, something really old, something new with new ideas and something borrowed that i usually borrowing pete people from other areas that are bring in. that's a big loop well police department is blue. and these can it not to be matched coming into an organization and really just getting to stir it up. it was just that excitement ability is super bowl chain and so is going to go to have the education for only got the phenomenal people to work with based on that success, a few years later governor mike, this asked me to coop and for taking the metropolitan district commission police. in a quasi- organization that police must enter much of massachusetts, the reservoirs
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and many of its highways. it was also scheduled and the captain and that organization had been stealing exams and selling promotions for years my predecessor was serving time in state prison. so some sense of the organizations going into this incredible low morale. flynn in both of these, i worked with unions who are desperate to change the reputations of the organizations and for one thing, the unions share with management is a very concerned about the reputation of the organizations. they fight hard for members can make any pains and annexes we know and often times the administration and discipline but they wanted the department have a good reputation because it benefits them as a contract and the nbc was 68 cops, 600 and once again i turned around and in the second transit department opportunity came along that was
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the transit police new york city. 3800 officers know that time i think it was like the eighth or ninth largest in america. the transit department rated policing the subways largely. and we all know george, he has been a friend going back to the 80s with bob and the person who introduced me read and hear the relationships they're all friends and advisors. well they were consoling with the transit authority in new york city. an incredible dip problems with the homeless and serious crime and a lot of other things. and in 1990 was the largest crime year in our history pretty so this domain to me, this one of the largest police department in new york city, had my eye and the price so many years. lisa come on down and who knows if you do good job here, you
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might actually get notice to maybe be a police commissioner. in a kid from boston basically running a 600 person department freighted but i was actively looking at the potential to become this in new york after my younger days. some kid in new york and think, disillusioned department, incredibly effective. some outsiders advisors and john who i think you might know, he joined. and he's been at the department ever since. we had a phenomenal turnaround and probably the character that was so influential in policing, so influential in the crime and to do something, was jack nabel, jack nabel, the late great jack nabel, transit police detective lt. but is also one of the smartest people that i met with crime. and he would put the academics to shame. and he was delighted in doing it
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in jack was with that susan bowties and two-tone shoes. jack was fine and i was a great believer in nabbing the crime. and jack was doing the same thing. and in the subway crimes, is a very different environments. in new york city, 456 stations in new york city pretty and there's 45000 trains running with 4000 buses and almost 6 million riders before the epidemic. and this experience was probably mike's most satisfying that transit in new york was separate from the city police, with 25000 it and now 4000 but they were the dumping ground in the sense, all the police. you see the new york city police officer they would take him a really warty work. by working transit.
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while they just would not well thought of. we made them the marine corps into half years, as we dealt with a great team working with the union and when i talk about having good relations with unions, when we received national predication, the union pay the whole 60 person team, took over california. imagine that. because i felt so proud of the idea that they had been, accredited and are now getting this reputation in new york as a marine corps new york city police department. so it's so much fun in transit but also allowed me that they department in boston as the headquarters of brooklyn resort new york, comparing it to the city, manhandling the rest of it is the purpose. manhattan is where you make it. and with some people and fortunately they take it. depending during a lawful side
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of the criminal side. so i was there to basically look at the new york city police department which is that that time was under the controllably ramp once again being advised by a man who was advising me the transit police. is a railing the groundwork to potentially with my off-broadway transit production, you know on broadway, new york city police department and as luck would have a couple of years later, inhabited pretty. charles: sunlight your first tour of duty in new york as new york police commissioner and obviously you did have a chance to learn to that but to have that spot pretty for summer at a new york city, the largest department in the united states, i don't know it when they took 94 but i don't think it was up to 40000 yet predict. bill: and 95, giuliani was there previous mayor, the departments emerged them so 8000 and after i
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left and 96, but 99, the addition of cops from a cross program, 100,000 afraid 5,041,000 for a while but now spec down to around 33 or 34000 yet again. charles: unbelievable the size and the complexity of an organization. so how do you manage manic something like that and talk about the challenges and the managing something that large is new york city policeman. bill: let me tell you chuck, the toughest that i had was a 68 person police department because the intimacy of that department, you really go to prison for everything. get a staff, i didn't have captains and lieutenants and sergeants and a corporation counsel for my issues. they all came into that office was like being the district commander but nypd in some respects was people laugh when i
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say it was looser but it was, mattel and format organization, i had almost a thousand captains and above the organization. twenty-six deputy commissioners with phenomenal expertise in legal matters. technical matters. i didn't have to go far to get a question-and-answer guide we just pick up the phone avoid when you called them of the commissioner called, they talk of hate answers were like that. can in the transit police, but ask a question, i normally have to write the answer. so the beauty of this is to surround yourself with such incredible tell and i had next printed in our super bowl team i had naples over and john and actually, preceded philadelphia and in miami. the legendary characters. john miller. my first press commissioner, everybody knows him. jonah gave jobs that are brought
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in three times, he was my immediate commissioner, for public information so he would rented run it past giuliani first. and lapd in 2002 than a brother back in and catherine terrorism in 2014 rated and it cost him a fortune. and it would take 200,000-dollar your job and i also had once again, the civilians that i brought in from the outside. for the first time that i had killing and washington and others in my second go around, in 2014, jumping ahead a little bit on you but it goes back to 1994. and you know in your 50 year career, you meet some incredibly talented people are fortunate enough to work with them here or there. and in 14 i had the opportunity to select the movie the sting, and the last thing and everybody wanted him, everybody wanted to come in.
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and i had friends and colleagues over the years, knocking on the door, they all wanted the last hurrah. i have them all the door. my executive staff meeting i was telling washington and others. god love them. but, literally, i had this super bowl team. and with that talent, i was a captain of the chip and i had a lot of people in their. we would not have gotten anywhere without them all rolling in the same direction. charles: in your first tour is commission of new york, a system the revolutionized american policing. bill: yes statistics. charles: talk about that would you in the role that you and jack nabel and others played in did you really think it was going to happen or have this kind of impact that eventually
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did have in terms of crime reduction and national recognition. bill: the story that were telling, most are in the book. i go into great detail in the book with how it came to be. and the origin of it, to me it really was as a young sergeant in a police district, had a huge maps and everyday i would have a clerk put in the map the different colored dots with crimes very quickly you can see these little clusters developing. and we had the expression cops and the dots. and there's only one typewriter the police department pretty and i indicated i want you to spend an hour in these locations here and we have disturbances there. and it was the beginning for me, for the use of data and using it on a timely basis. so going forward into new york
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when it jack naples, during the same thing in transit. in transit, the very different type of system. in transit, identify the location of a street address, dignified by a pulled number, every column that holds of the ceiling and subway station, has a number on it. so an officer would correlate crime, he recorded as pulled number 36 were number 43. the nabel had maps of the whole system like i used to have in boston so that kindred spirit, this information that we also understood the importance of the timeliness of it. in that era, as you know, we were really gathering crime information, at the end of the month, is a year later before they found it. so a night naples was setting of a lane favorite restaurant one wrinkle against would call it read his doodling on a nap her
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on a napkin were talking about what were trying to do any comes up with four elements which would be the foundation. one intelligence, gather up information as best as you can. accurate information as it was happening and when treated rapid response basically the katsina .-dot and the uniforms and fairly effective and it will be handled or precinct. require headquarters task force of the fbi. and relentless follow-up in the idea that even though you solve the problem, you go back from time to time and watches are coming back. a starting to see them come back. if you think of it, it's after modern medicine and policing is the practice of medicine, every city is different. and the skilled doctor is looking into this and i would like to thank some some of my
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colleagues are very skilled positions looking at the cities and were always sharing ideas with each other, the chiefs and not that we are so smart individually but collectively, we share a lot of ideas and starting with these four elements, with nabel yet enough i give him a lot of credit for what he did. created the system of the nypd that would gather all the precinct commanders together. never been done. put them all in one room to talk about crime. with the maps up on the wall and talk about at 2436 and what are you doing about it. and then back in those days, we have those long shoots some of the audience probably are too young to river that, the computer shoot. any computer program and eight letter name. in the middle of a snowstorm one
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night, some of the cops had developed the system, they had to quickly come up with a name so that they could create the file. then they could get the heck out of the station before the snowstorm shut them down. and come up with statistics. so that's how the name in the system was born. the locus of history that i talk about in the book. and it did revolutionize policing as you know. some departments know how to use it and send out. some give service to it but if you use it correctly, it really is the engine that can drive person farther and faster along it was so successful and so rapidly seized upon by the police departments around the country around the world, the kennedy school of the core foundation of this innovations in government award read and in 1996, the department one a program that was 1994,
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innovations in government award for the most innovative system could have been developed in a period of time. something is very proud of and our team was around to receive it. and even now, anybody in new york city to do away with calm stats, is now been through the systems in the algorithms and artificial intelligence is still a phenomenal tool. something that i'm very proud to be associated with. charles: will you should be proud of it and i think that in a lot of ways, your legacy and american policing because will forever be associated with calm stats. there are not many leaders really had that kind of influence in our profession. you are one of them. bill: you know the satisfaction you and i have is that a lot of
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credit goes to us individually but as you know, we might have an idea but in the case of calm stats, this huge office behind me and together those individual instruments created this grade and is and that that wonder of it that we get everybody working together and the pride they all feel. it was the source of the giuliani breakup that i had was the fact that that for political purposes, smear the credit of all the people in the nypd who were really developing what he was getting so much credit for. created the atmosphere and the umbrella but the whole of those little spokes that held the umbrella up and developed by talent within that in nypd but for political purposes to get reelected for a second term he really felt i think not an justifiable intent unjustifiably that is not shared, i think
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would've helped him with his reelection. and once again i have bounce out of a job. charles: while i think one of your strong suits though is come through not just in this conversation at the conversation that we have had with one another is that you do build strong teams pretty did you recognize talent you put the talent looking to the most good and in person compete in for a person a chance to really show what they can do that again i think your early experience may have been the source and that you know and it's funny when you look back on a career help those things didn't at the time you appreciate it but you don't really fully understand the significance of it until later on when you have a chance to really pay it forward. and you know, that again is something that i thank you so remarkable. let's move forward because i know were pressed for time.
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believe new york, c1 the first time in the second prayed. charles: the first time you know, that came to a head you know the magazine article and time and megson entered magazine picture. i have to ask you, if you had to do it over, what if you taken a picture. bill: you better believe it. [laughter] [laughter] time magazine, is been around for 100 years. in two weeks years on the world, 5200 people to have the picture on the cover of time magazine. and i am one of them. and i am on the cover because i'm telling the story of the 38000 it moving in the crime reduction. nothing giuliani and i were being pushed out the door. so that was kind of my sworn story. [laughter] and he eventually made the cover a couple of times.
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charles: god bless you because that was really great. summa did not look great prayed. charles: a great father no question about that so you now you're there for a period of time and i had gone through that, you feel like you have more and you and you dan and yet you're on the sidelines. all kinds of things are happening. but you get another opportunity, los angeles, lapd. i mean, the third largest department in the united states. i don't think there's any department other than maybe new york that people of seymour and movies and tv and so forth and there's a long career predict dragnet and those tv programs, they were la-based. but la was going through a crisis. they were monitoring.
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in fact he started with monitoring system. with a point of police chief. and your predecessor, you embraced this. why. bill: sometimes you need an outsider and he was an insider so i do predecessor certainly prideful individual but had extraordinary pride in his department despite all of his flaws so would not accept criticism on the department because i believe he just felt it was criticism with him. and so he was never going to accept it. he fought it to the nails of the mayor at the time jim hart understood and necessity for the consents to keep the federal government from actually taking over the department. he was told that if you can you
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would not be reelected mayor if you work them in and he did it and you are right, he did not get the reelected largely for the fact that despite my own success, coming in in terms of the reputation. particularly the african community, the small community and los angeles 10 percent of the population but was influential. it may cost him the election. this type of leader who gave up himself for the greater cause grade and i would like to think that some of my great satisfaction that he was proven right by bringing me and. i had achieved what he wanted to achieve and most importantly improved rich relations between the department in the black community. and we worked a lot of the departments and understand the policing but that department was
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literally at war with this black community with six years. i never seen anything like it and i came out of a very bitter express in boston predict la was just a different kettle of fish altogether. charles: one of the things i found interesting when i was reading the book was the chapter you have about building relationships with the black community in a couple of people in particular that you pointed out. sweet alice. and connie rice who made a living at the department and later became a department leader and actually helps today. bill: you know her very well. charles: she's valuable. but you also have a couple of police officers jt commerce, and lt. booker predict. bill: fred booker. charles: and you know when i read some of his stories, it
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kind of reminds me of my own experiences as a young cop coming up but, you were able to really build those relationships that have been strained for so long. talk a little bit about that and why is it so important that the police departments really take an extra step to reach out and develop relationships in particular communities of color. it. bill: the trouble with the profession that is in now is that that lack of trust, the acceleration of lack of trust is as the result of george floyd's tragic death in many other things going on in the country. in the resurgence isn't so much of the politics of the country. i learned very early on, nevermind experiences the importance is of not judging people by first impressions rita benefited by some great college courses that i took thank to the government predict the police program. is something that he deeply
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believed in getting the cops educated so early on, i understood this idea of understanding the history of something, not just the images directly in front of you. and en suite allison attack about this in the book, is an expression i use all of the time reading my wife and i, she loved my wife and we love her. and we were leaving and she was cheering in the audience, really activist in the deep south, moved to california like so many blacks prayed and went on to become the foremost community leaders in los angeles. as largely all latino now. but she is one of the first people who stood up and said chief bratton, we like you. and i have your back. and i hardly knew the woman and she said i had your back. and she didn't it for seven years i was there. a lot of people in la and she
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was a very at covering five back. in front of booker, the same thing. he's lt. an incredible going up as a sharecropper in the deep south in the midst of the 50s segregation. if and as we were leaving in 2009, to go back east, sweet alice we go down this year for the last time she gives us a hug. and she said, you know chief you know why we like you so much. and i said, no why is that and she said because you see that's, you really cs. an attack about her in the book, that was the highest accolade that i've ever received because i cared so much about that woman. and in the issue of race and if we don't get it right, it's really going to be the original son that will carry forward. the original sin. we talk about this you're not
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going to solve these relationships in the country until week own up to it but you're not going to solve it without the police and we are so involved, you've got a wonderful term about the. serene: gate, someplace and you talk about that dread that thatf you have that you will in the central thread of the manipulations rated and i used it at the funeral and in our conversation. and in new york and at the funeral, i used that term in the funeral that we are never going to solve this problem are the sacred of men in blue and blacks and hatred of latinos until we see each other and joe biden was in the audience and he had given. serene: now president of biden.
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we'll very frequently here president biden use that expression, we see you and it was just very taken with it. because simplistic medicines and all business, that we need to see each other. charles: it is absolutely powerful. i is another phrase in saying that police have to learn to see the policing through the eyes of those who see them as opposed to just saying it through our landis. and blue plans for unit. bill: that expression of looking at the mayor. and that's the way that other people see is that is wonderful. charles: let's fast-forward because we are running out of time and wanted talk about the current issues and we go back to the nypd and one thing that i found interesting and want to spend too much time on it but the nypd but i want to get into this day of defining and the abolishing and you know the current issues facing them but one thing that really struck me in your book was when you said
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that your first time around, new york was in a crisis of crime. in this time of crisis of trust. i thought that was very powerful and at the times that we are in right now, very reflective pretty talk a little bit about that in the context of you know, the aftermath of george floyd in the defending and abolishing police. and in unity and you touch about all of those in the last chapter read. bill: from a great of the nine principles of policing. the first one is the submission to which we exist is to convince crime and disorder and now responding to crime and we need to focus on prevention and you and i and the community policing, the concept of partnership with the community. and what the community was to be addressed that we work together to share the response abilities to deal with them.
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in the '90s, much simpler time much more dangerous time and what were experiencing at the moment, the police deal with-disorder. and it changes we brought about in the '90s began to feel a deal more effectively with it. we also begin to focus on this part of the so-called quality-of-life saw greatest like this idea of it won't immediately. [inaudible]. pretty couple of weeks later, you're going to die anyway. so we came to understand crime and disorder the 911 changed everything and as you know the funny all went to terrorism. and then at 2006 and 2007, referencing long and kindle and google in the world of social media exploded and created challenges for us, cybercrime, the ability for the expansion of human trafficking, and the technology of the drones we have to worry about.
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and in the 20 century is a nightmare in respect and what we see in many more resources to deal with and we need to train them with these responsibilities. says become forwarded to 2021, the flurry now pretty and out, i thought it. that the issue of the defunding movement which i look at so furiously as wielding from this idea that this #, the striving policy, and they'll going to defund the police. i think there's a real appreciation which will be necessary as refunding the police, training the cops paying them for at least a year instead of six months before putting them on the street. and train with these new tools, the bias training and de-escalation training and drug training drug awareness training. entities money and cities don't want to pay money to have the cops sitting in a classroom, they want the ministry.
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that's the the date of our existence and may be this time we can convince them that if you want us to be more effectively with emotional disorder, drug issues, homelessness, you're gog to have to train us better. and i believe quite frankly, going to fail once again to address those issues by creating new entities. the money will not be there. it was there in the 70s week d institute look printed but we deeply. >> in the 70s. remember all the talking laid off in the 70s, they were decriminalize a lot of the laws and had worked with that but they were taken away printed now in 2021, defund the police, decriminalize way of all of this criminal justice reform rate is driving us crazy and i can't like in philadelphia, federal judges just started. and people they see engage in public disorder. just tell a person to move on. it's a challenge on the 31st
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century, are phenomenal. the good news coming out of this, is that when the tragic death of floyd, really because of racial awakening unprecedented in this country around the world. and we will see how that goes going forward. but it also is causing a re-examination of what should police do and what we do it and can we continue to do it or should it be given to somebody else we would like to give him up a lot in this you know but i'm willing to bet that void and of partnering with others that we can never totally give away but we still have some responsibility, will going to need to be refunded. and in this business we been around a long time, i remain optimistic that even in the midst of this terrible crisis that we are in the racial tension that we are still dealing with. this lack of trust. in the '90s we trust restore because we dealt with crime in my city of new york city, all the crime is down 80 percent,
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and 90 percent in 2019 the overall countries down 40 percent. and trust built-up pretty did cops do something about the crime. and once again will going to have to prove in the 31st century crime in this time, let's do something about race relations as well read. charles: will bill our time is winding down. and i want to thank you for the opportunity to you know, so with you and have this discussion. and again, i see over your shoulder but i have my copy as well pretty "the profession - a memoir of community, race, and the arc of policing in america". and let me tell you something, this is a very very good book. you not only talk about your career in the issues that you are confronted with them you're actually teaching a lot in this book, you going to the description of you know
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qualified immunity and some of the other things i really come back into the very worthwhile. so for anybody was interested in leadership, they should read this book because it is written by one of the foremost leaders not only policing, but in this country and that is bill bratton. it is my honor to spend time with you and god bless you read ... ...

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