september 20 and later in the most members are expected to vote on infrastructure and government funding legislation. live gavel to gavel coverage of the house on c-span, anderson on c-span2 online at c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. >> next a look at the potential of wind energy off of u.s. shores and possible impact on climate change with former louisiana governor bobby jindal and david hayes, president biden's special assistant on climate change. >> welcome to the bipartisan policy center. we are hosting this event today with a distinguished panel of guests. we're very excited today to talk about the opportunity for u.s. offshore winds. my name is leslie and i'm managing director of the injury program at pc, and we will dive right in. there's so much interesting stuff happening today. just last night the senate took

a very important step towards a bipartisan infrastructure framework that does include a number of provisions that are relevant to the offshore wind industry in this country. we are going to talk a lot today about the opportunity and where we see the tipping point for the industry. let me dive right in with introductions. our first guest today is david hayes, special assistant to president for climate policy. he's a senior member of national climate advisor gina mccarthy white house team. david was most recent executive director of the energy ey environmental impacts center at the ny school of law and served under president barack obama and bill clinton as deputy secretary and chief operating officer at the department of the interior. we are also joined today by bob agenda looser two terms as governor of louisiana and also represented the state as a member of the us house of representatives and chairman of the republican governors

association. governor jindal served in the george w. bush administration as assistant secretary of the u.s. department of health and human services and has held numerous advisory and board leadership roles for healthcare pharmaceutical, , manufacturing and information technology companies and is currently an operating advisor for area management and serves on the board of offshore services. our final guest today is bill white, vice president and head of u.s. offshore wind at one of the leading providers of clean renewable power in the u.s. and prior to this bill spent the better part of the decade in massachusetts state government developing their offshore wind market including transmission planning, supply chain, workforce development efforts as well as new bedford marine commerce turmoil a first in the new facility designed specifically for offshore wind so we loved you more about that. so just introductory psych mall you david i will start with you. the u.s. really is poised to make major investments in

infrastructure to address climate and energy goals and the biden administration has also sent a very ambitious target for deploying 30 gigawatts of offshore wind in this country by 2030. only nine years away, no small task. a lot of questions around sectors and stakeholder groups from fishing to electricity grid modernization, marine vessels and ports and transmission. the list really goes on. can you describe what you're thinking and the biden administration think about how to prioritize these actions and how does is aligned towards that 30 gigawatts goal? >> thanks, leslie, thanks so much for having me and i'm excited to be joined by bill white and governor jindal as well. so this is a huge priority for the biden administration. obviously the president talks about climate is one of the core primary crises that our nation

is facing. and what is crises there's opportunities. offshore wind provides an enormous opportunity to help shift our economy to clean energy economy. the groundwork was laid in the obama administration a learned from the experience and need to find places in the offshore that would be conflicted from obvious series of conflicts with the fishing industry but also with many other uses of the ocean. the last administration was not keen on wind energy but we are and where moving out in a very big way, and your question raises the point how do we work with all constituencies involved with the enormous challenge around creating essentially a whole new industry? the only way to do it is to have a whole of government approach across the federal government and one that works closely with

the states and with local government, with industry, with the key constituencies including the fishing industry, everyone who uses the ocean et cetera and that's what we are about right now. it's very exciting for a number of reasons. in the northeast many of the states have very ambitious clean energy goals and opportunities they have in natural resource right off the coast to provide clean energy through a offshore company offshore industry is from heaven if you will. the opportunity for the economic growth associate with literally billions of dollars that go into this new industry, the new factors that will have to be built in ports that need those jobs, and they're going to be good jobs. and in the upstream supply chain opportunities for the steel and of the materials needed and the

ships needed, we already have a big shipping being built in texas by -- that will services energy by using hundreds of tons of american steel. so it's a tremendous opportunity where where moving out across the agencies. the primary permitting agency is the department of commerce. we are going, we're going to be on track for 30 gigawatts by 2030 and 80,000 jobs. already the ribbon 1.7 million acres of offshore, acres that have been released. there are 17 commercial leases in the atlantic already. i can go through more specifics but the first commercial green light that is been put on can we get others in the hopper but

importantly we look at the golf of mexico also as an opportunity. we are looking at california as an opportunity. in fact, yesterday there was a very important announcement about areas of california that will be coming online for commercial opportunities. and today this announcement about north carolina and the notice of intent for the first major offshore wind project in north carolina. ..

it's a pleasure to join david and bill as well . three points, this reminds me of the most recent innovation revolution as of 10 years ago, you saw a large investment in the shale gas revolution. and also you sought states also compete without their shale gas assets. you saw billions of dollars of economic activity not just in traditional states like louisiana and texas, ohio, pennsylvania and north dakota had tremendous economic activity and you have that affordable energy that also unlocks tens of billions of dollars in downstream infrastructure and what we saw was not just economic

activity around energy but things like fertilizer, committees that use natural gas not only as a power source but as a deep power so what you saw was originally computed for the direct energy jobs and their competing for the downstream jobs. you're beginning to seethe same thing with offshore wind and other renewable energy as well . they are competing and eager to get those direct energy jobs. they want shipyards, they want the installation jobs but offshore renewable energy , it's not just temporary construction jobs. a lot of these states are competing for that secondary downstream investment and you think about companies holding data centers , increasingly esp concerns are a concern for customers and workers so you've got companies saying we want to locate data intensive units and first data center would probably be the tip of the spear and

you're going to see other industries locate where you have been affordable reliable energy so states are competing not just for the direct energy jobs but those downstream investments as well and that's only the start of it. you'll see other companies want to locate where they can that affordable energy. across this country we got an incredible investment already in infrastructure when it comes to producing energy and my hope is and i know the bbc report mentions investments and incentives to help convert those workforce company assets into the production ofrenewables . i know that the abiding administration is very interested in that and david has talked about that as well so for example we got shipyards, application sites and jobs at vessels, technical training colleges that have all been years towards the production of conventional energy and my hope is as a country we will find ways to convert those workforces into renewable energy.

you mentioned at the beginning i sat on the board of offshore services just as one example we operate large vessels in support of a well and gas history. those can be used and we are looking at using some of them to support the wind industry as well. it's a great thingto see the states compete with this and it's the way we work in the united states . we have states competing for economic opportunity and you'll see them compete for direct energy but also secondary downstream investment as well and that can be a great win-win for our workers and i wasthrilled to hear david talk about the gulf coast . as a resident of the gulf coast i am excited to see it . >> thanks so much governor jindal. we've heard an overview action at the federal level, state-level and would love to turn to bill for the perspective of your company. joint venture vineyard been made history on may 10 of the first commercial scale

offshore wind project from the us towards federal approval so congrats on this milestone but thinking back to when your company first started getting these plans in motion what really do you think through other renewables to want to expand into being one of the leading developers of onshore wind and solar but why the complicated nature of offshore wind whatdrew you there ? >> thanks very much, great to be with you and great to be with the governor and my old friend david hayes on the clinton and obama administrations. also just from boston, not only is it home to the first-place boston red sox, to all my yankee friends out there but also home to what we're all excited about as commercial scale offshore wind projects in the country so avangrid got into this

business with our joint venture partner cip as all things are in life with some risk involved. the industry had its ups and downs in the united states. we've been talking about offshore wind for almost 20 years . dreaming about it and now we're finally after i have a lot of learning we're on the cusp of it but why offshore wind and why are we as a company how to renewables so excited about it? number one in thinking about the theme today it is american made energy so this is an indigenous resource off our coast and what makes it quite unique is this consistent almost baseload energy energy resource so it's an amazing opportunity. i think the fact that these

jobs, david mentioned 80,000 new jobs over the coming years. that's significant new industry of blue-collar and white-collar jobs. it's a huge opportunity and climate change. i think this consensus of climate change particularly in the united states during these last several months with all of the action on the weather front i think is kind of bringing this need to address climate change into greater and greater focus so for all those reasons and there may be a quick final one that is cost. cost has always been the most concerning issue . we have issues and challenges with a variety of threats and i think many folks along the east coast and across the country were kind of interested in offshore wind and it was an exciting, it was going to be so darn expensive we could barely do it.

and low income ratepayers get hammered by it. i think when wind came forward, i was in the state of massachusetts at the time. projections were the cost of offshore wind was going to be 16 cents a kilowatt hour. and when they came in for competitive solicitation was .5 cents when we came up and it's hot world. i think it was democratic and republican governors along the east coast that said it makes sense for all these other reasons and we see it's going to be cost competitive so that was i think the turning point and i think the president coming in, seeing this opportunity and giving certainty to it , i think is exploding. >> that's great to hear about that and i do see some questions rolling in from the audience so please do keep them coming.

if you have questions you can submit them in a chat feature or to us at hashtag bbc live with those questions. we are moving to the q&a in just a couple of minutes but i wanted to continue this conversation david, how are you thinking about the transmission backlog in this country and what problems we create the offshore wind industry ifnothing is done about it . late breaking news from that infrastructure deal that was voted on last night, we're seeing a lot of emissions from that so i would love to hear your take on where we think doe, the regional transmission organization is another. how is all that going to play into this? >> the transmission piece is incredibly important for clean energy generally and we're very excited about the bipartisan infrastructure package including new

authority to the department of energy for clear deployment. there are positions that passed through the senate natural resources committee that give new authority for doe to be involved in more planning and actually have a financial stake in regional transmission lines. there will be a lot more regional energy and it's been a high priority for the white house to bolster our grid and modernize it, import money to upgrade it, etc.. in terms of offshore wind, it's exciting that there's so much new energy that will be coming in from the offshore. it's not going to be easyto integrate that into the grid . so we're going to have to have a lot of work, a good

working relationship among the federal family including with the federal energy regulatory commission and the regional transmission organization in the northeast and in particular. and think long-term about the potential for a transmission line offshore so rather than having an individual spring coming in over the years, where they coming of course there's going to need to be upgrades in terms of the capability of the grid . this is going to be a big project that's going to require all forms of government to work together. we actually have an interagency working group already here at the federal level reaching out through the department of the interior and department of energy together to begin talking about what's going to be needed and how the federal government can help work with

states which are the traditional leads here in terms of electric infrastructure . so this is -- we have to think for the long-term. we have to recognize you are going to have an enormous history by 2030 and how can we put the infrastructure in place now that will enable that growth that will provide for the industries to make the investments. i think it's a perfect case example for the importance of passing the bipartisan infrastructure legislation that is going through. it's an area that we've neglected too long in our country and we're going to transition to clean energy and modernize our industry system and make it more efficient, we have to invest in it and offshore wind will

be an area where i'm hoping we can bring everybody together and make hard decisions as part of that investment. >> david, i love hearing those themes what you're saying about federal state coordination and ensuring those lines of communication are met. we recognize in our bpc recommendation for offshore wind and speaking of recommendations that are jindal your cochairing another infrastructure related task force that recently talked about recommendations of bigger, bolder thinking. let's move past how we do project by project approval and how do we deliver onthese nationally significant and climate critical projects . it does seem to be us that offshore wind checks both of these boxes for nationally significant and climate critical so what insights from that task force process do you have on how to balance delivery of big infrastructure projects like offshore wind while also addressing the environmental

and localcommunities . a couple of big picture point before i get into the specific recommendations, i think one of the things that unites us is when we get conservative members in the task force so it is a bipartisan group , one of the things that unites us is the realization whatever your thoughts about what's going on in dc for a moment to moment, we as a country have got to learn how to build things more quickly and lower-cost. you compare the cost of completing projects in the united states even our neighbors new north and countries in around the world they cost too much in the united states. so we did develop a recommendation especially when it comes to green infrastructure. everybody agrees that steve, are going to have more renewable energy we're going to have to make a significant investment in an significant progress in infrastructure. that means power generation, power transmission but we also recognize that these

reforms could be applicable across the board. these permitting recommendations will help in building green infrastructure but these are recommendations that should help dream line what's become a very bureaucratic process . i would encourage folks to read the report. i have nine recommendations i wanted to highlight for folks because it is possible to streamline the process without sacrificing environmental objectives and without sacrificing global input. this is not an excuse to ignore local stakeholders, not an excuse to make unwarranted shortcuts in environmental protections but there are ways to streamline the bureaucracy while protecting local input . so first we recommended that we designate a lead agency with a single permanent plan and permitting timetable so that the work can happen concurrently instead of consequentially, consecutively and the reality is for developers capability is what they want.we're really encouraged and it drives up costs and time delays for these developers

not knowing and having to deal with multiple bureaucracies and agencies so the simple it's as simple as having a lead agency with single permit and help streamline cooperation between state and federal agencies, that under fast 41 and you mentioned reauthorization is in a bipartisan bill being debated in dc as we speak. and so secondly continued cooperation in those mo use again so that the project proponents aren't having to go through multiple levels of bureaucracy and they can deal with at one time. present time limits,two years for environmental impact statements, your for environmental assessments . for expanding policies to allow states with strong environmental laws to assume responsibilities and as a former governor i was a former governor, i strongly advocate this kind of federalism where the federal government says yes, you won't have to micromanage or look over yourshoulder . fifth the use of categorical exclusions.

it's been certain activities from review. we had an earlier discussion with folks who have additional suggestions for broadening the use of categorical exclusions whether it's for smaller projects, certain types of green projects that go on the use of these exclusions. allowing applicants to prepare environmental documents incooperation with the agencies . there has to be transparency if that happens but at least partnering with them not duplicating that expertise and second early engagement with the public so because that happens at the blunt end of the project whether in the middle of the end of a project there's a lot of money and time and effort user fees that accelerate coordinated review nature of the agencies out the resources they need to properly equipped and process these permits andapplications and finally the use of energy corridors . you may recall these were included in 2005 legislation and faith in his for the pipeline on federal lands . for example co2 pipelines,

high-voltage transmissionand get around some of the mindy and other concerns . i'm not doing justice to the entire report but nine specific things that we identified that can help both speed up the approvals of these projects that everybody agrees will have to be built on a large scale without sacrificing the opportunity for local input and everybody on the task force agreed you want community voices to be heard. it's not about overruling the interest of local communities and giving them an opportunity to have their voices heard in a way that's predictable and we get to a quick yes, sir no rather than these processes dragging out endlessly. >> that was a great overview and bill, we'd love to hear from windsor experience now. this project was the groundbreaker with federal

offshore wind processes. can you talk about where you seelessons learned and what kind of momentum now will the industry have ? >> i think the momentum now is significant. i do want to maybe take people back to the origins of really this project. i've heard some sometimes people call it fast-track. this actually started in 2009 when it was governor of all who reached out to david ken salazar at the department of security and said we might have a task force. we'd like to talk about this offshore wind opportunity and we are learning from our friends and we convened our federal friends, all the federal agencies. we brought together tribes, fishermen and really the local communities. we brought them to the table

in the days when we could be around the table and it was an inordinate stable. let me tell you the first meetings that we had so this is really how this began through kind of the very intensive engage stakeholder process that i was part of from the stateside and now on obviously the business side of it but this has been a long process. it wasn't really until 2018 when this project actually submitted its permit to the federal government that those were accelerated so it's almost 10 years stakeholder experience before we smoothed the permit. everyone is probably aware of the stops that we've experienced in this project but this is probably the most studied energy project in the countryright now . and we're pretty honored and thrilled that it's finally moving forward.

i think as far as the lessons learned, i kind of deferred to our federal friends who i think what the president has articulated is to identify this area of permitting as a real significant bottleneck shall we say and really putting the resources there. the professionals atthe bureau , the career staffers, they are skilled and very passionate at what they do. very regimented in the processes that they follow they do need more resources. i'm happy to hear that they are getting official support from their interagency press county corps of engineers or gina romano's shot at the department of commerce so all that is moving forward now. there's a commitment to permit i believe that you are 17 projects in the next 40 years . that is critical. i think there's a lot of, we

don't have to scratch every single project.we know the environmental impact. we studied it and i think we will be studying these projects as they move forward and we're learning from our partners both about the impacts and i think also some to really move this industry forward thoughtfully, but now some comments that we can build projects, protect the environment and create a hell of a lot of jobs. >> i do. and bill was there. as was i in this watching case wind and the challenges there and the recognition was we have to do things differently. and the first mover has had a long slog. congratulations to avangrid

and the whole team but we know how to do this and the points that bobby made all are good points and we are committed to make sure wehave a clean energy bill that is organized , that isefficient . and that stands the test of time constraints and that the same time survives the public with disability and we end up with better results or the environment, for the industry, for the community the fact that we showed we could do this and with ken salazar in the southwest where we had an 18 month on average we were turning out utility scales solar projects on public land because we got all of these agencies together that have equity. we got the developer at the table. we got the stakeholders at the table and we figured out early how to organize this project for success. then we moved out.

and the tools that we use for that process come to us on a bipartisan basis. incorporated into the fast 41 act in 2017 and established the federal permitting improvement steering council which creates a dashboard. with expectations and allows the policy to see how it's moving. it requires agencies to all work together in the beginning from the same playbook. now it's in law and we have a new tool in the federal government to use it and the early offshore wind projects are going into what we call 50 and with the support of the administration. we have a new director now for that and we're doing troubleshooting. we are having out of the white house every two weeks interagencydiscussions on what's happening on offshore

wind . how do we solve them, how do we make sure interiors are joined at the hip. we're worried about supply chain issues, talking about the markjones act . the way these things happen as the governor knows is not by sitting back and waiting for the problems to service. but to anticipate them, to troubleshoot them and to move forward . and we're going to be very transparent for these 17 commercial leases that already are in place as we through the permitting process. we are going to expect that oncethese things go into that review , a few years later they'regoing to come out with the result . and it's not going to be easy but we're going to put everything we can behind it to make it happen. it does require the companies to help out on the upfront side and for everyone to be working with the major constituencies.

on the upfront side as well. including the fishing industry and we are committed to do that and we're delighted to have the former governor of veteran with black island that's committed champion for offshore wind over the commerce department to work with the interior folks as well as doe. and even congress which helped us out in california to open the wayfor offshore wind off the central coast . >> thanks for the insight. we have about 15 minutes left on this event so i'm going to transition to events westerns rolling in from our audience and if it touches on the themes that you and bill mentioned around supply chains. kevin asks how can for everyone on the panel how can we accelerate the development of a robust domestic offshore wind supply chain. we're producing primary metals, manufacturing and services. >> governor, why don't we

startwith you ? >> not the only exclusion but one is we've got a strong existing industrial base that serves our existing energy economy and a lot of that is concentrated around the oil and gas economy and i know dave just talked about this and provided ministration has talked about wanting to help workers and companies transition and help support renewable energy economy as well but you look at things likeshipyards, welders, local trading partners who started young , that's something we've got intense concentration in the gulf coast, working the gold coast not only there but you've got it in texas, oklahoma, north dakota and colorado and several other states but that have traditionally been invested in the oil and gas industry so one part of the solutionis helping those companies, those workers make that transition . i mentioned earlier we got

several vessels that are called cold snap. that decrease in oil prices and drilling activity off the coast of the gulf of mexico with several vessels have not been used today. it was so prohibitively expensive to build those vessels you're not going to see enough bills quickly enough so things like federal incentives to convert some of those vessels and put american narrators back to work and get them out there. one of the bottlenecks will be skilled workers and the longer the example just to picking example the longer mariners are not employed harder it is there will be to find that when you need them. for example you talk a lot about offshore wind but secondly we are going to have to create new supply chains at one of the things that concerns me greatly would be as we just now have become energy self-sufficient we should not create a new dependency on countries that don't sometimes have america's best interests at heart so you will get some of these minerals, some of these

are concentrated either in china's direct control or indirect control. i think it is important that we have a national strategy and there's bipartisan support for the administration and congress to make sure we have a national strategy to secure reliable access to those minerals and to those mining operations through domestically so one part of the solution is incentives, training to help convert for the existing infrastructure, where secondly got to be intentional. we don't want to wake up , relatively and energy independent as the shale revolution but don't throw away that independence and weight of years from now becoming dependent on other countries. whether it's for the manufacture of solar panels or whether it's these rare minerals. i think there would be bipartisan support and then we got to do it. it's great to have bipartisan support, now we have to execute those plans to make sure we don't become dependent on these countries again. >> you have any follow-ups on the supply-chain questions and thoughts on your policy mechanisms?

>> briefly, what maybe is almost the untold story of the offshore industry is that i think there's been a hell of a lot of folks really ready to go and exploring where they can find proof but there's always that uncertainty of whether this was going to be real. i think now what you're seeing really with the leadership of the president is that companies are putting down roots so one of the major components of an offshore wind turbine is the foundation. you call one of the searches on mono pile and in the leading european model pile companies set up roots in new jersey. they are going to be building those components in the years ahead. it's a major commitment to investment and there's already a towel manufacturer in upstate new york along the hudson river near albany. you're going to see this

acceleration now that the projects are finally getting in the water shall we say led by a new wind project which will begin construction later this year. we've been whistling dixie here for so long but i think we're about to accelerate and actually see the activity that's going to accelerate beyond people's imagination . >> i think the supply-chain side of this is perhaps the most exciting because it's going to stretch back throughout all of our space. and i would say that these new wind turbines are so huge they cannot be imported. they need to be manufactured here and they will be manufactured here and it's going to be a new factoring industry is going to need

supplies from stem to stern to keep the thing going here. bobby mentioned the labor side of this and the opportunities that it will provide. but we're going to need to go back and i want to give a shout out to lee who had an event a week or so ago. we met her at the national crime advisor and the signing of the project labor agreement for the new wind project where labor unions will help train through new apprenticeships and a lot of opportunity for well-paying jobs in this new industry. it's very exciting and finally endorse bonnie's point about critical minerals. the president has issued a critical minerals strategy document that recognizes the importance of having a good

solid supply chain with as much domestic production as possible ofcritical minerals . with an intention obviously on environmental side as well to make sure we do it in the right way. and the white house is very focused on that piece as well. this is such a good story but it's going to require continued attention to make sure that made in america is the label on the offshore wind industry and it's certainly going to be a need for transition here because we had to learn from the europeans but it's going tobe an american industry and we're excited about that . >> i'm hearing a lot of excitement about what kind of promise and possibility for offshore wind. i wanted to flag a question from bill in our audience about the possibility or

offshore wind integration with green hydrogen production. we see some of this that you talked about ineurope but bill, i don't know if that's something your company is also thinking about ? >> just before i dive into hydrogen i was going to actually possibly disagree with the great david hayes for a second when we were talking about i agree with everything he said but i was getting a little bit nervous and said we need to have a transition. we need to have a transition in order to stop start this industry out. i think that industry gets it . we know where our bread is buttered. we know we are enabled by states establishing mandates and who's doing the site console and permitting. we get that and i think we're fixed with americans and europeans and others but i also get sometimes a little bit afraid that we wanted today to be all-american.

we aren't using general electric for our first turbine turbine built in france. people will say bill, why aren't you using us built turbines and they want us to stop ahead and god love them but there's no such thing yet as the us offshore wind turbine right now in the united states. will that eventually happened, yes but it's not going to happen tomorrow. same point on vessels. the jones act is a critical issue. we're very well aware of it. we get it. and as i think both the governor and david said, already vessels including what they call this wind turbine installation vessel, they really only exists in europe but there are critical component to install the turbines . those vessels don't yet, they're not yet here shall we say but dominion is already

building one in brownsville texas next door to the governor's homestate . so that's half $1 billion investment. nevermind just the jobs that it creates in construction of that vessel but then the american cruise were going to service that vessel so my only message on that front is that this is going to take some time and if we basically put amandate in and say i'm sorry , you can't have any. >> ability that's the industry going forward. sorry i took too long but on hydrogen, we are fired up about hydrogen and renewals and the great company that's just responded to the department of energy and secretary granholm's request for information on hydrogen projects. we are looking very much at that as an opportunity. our current company has actually been leading our hydrogen in europe so it is

definitely as our attention. you know a lot of people want to kind of say well, it's going to be too expensive but that's what they said about offshore wind and the industry has driven the cost down and i think with the right amount of incentives and support, we can do the same in hydrogen . >> thank you all. any final words from david and governor general before we wrap up today. >> i want to do a shout out for the report that's a bipartisan policy center on the subject. it's excellent. and i know that lessie, you were behind us along with my longtime friend julie anderson and others. and we appreciate your spending time and attention on this issue. it truly is a bipartisan issue and it does represent opportunity for all of us so thank you for the attention

that your giving to this on this program. >> i would say quickly i want to thank bit bp, they've done a tremendous job and i encourage people to read the report. there's an opportunity to find bipartisan agreement on the need to build in america things more quickly and more cost-effectively. there's very real challenges. we didn't get in all the questions, there were questions about reliability so we will have to discuss in an honest way the role that nuclear power house display. this is not something you can flip a switch overnight and you've got to have a reliable as well as affordable energy and finally to the point that bill is making in his final comments we transition is important. the times story said this can be a win-win but we have to remember there are a lot of people in today's energy sector with good benefits and we've got to do this in a careful way that preserves american jobs and preserves

rules for american companies. that's important for national security of the economy as well and we all agree on the importance of that but there are real challenges. this isn't easy and there are opportunities to find bipartisan agreement in a polarized environment on a very important topic so i want to close with thanking the bbc folks. anybody that wants to learn more and look at the report. i gave a brief summary but there's a lotmore detail to be found in the report . >> thank you to all of our panelists today and for the audience were going to talk about the opportunities here in unlocking us offshore wind . go to our website, bipartisan policy.org to find the report mentioned as well as sign up for our newsletters and to join more of our energy projects in the future. thanks again and everyone have a great day. >> all the best. >> thanks david, great job leslie. >> today to look at security challenges with the vice chair of the joint chiefs of staff. at the brookings institution live 2 pm eastern on c-span2, online at c-span.org or

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