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and executive producer of teen vogue. the new book how tuberculosis d shaped history is the subject of the discussion this evening. please join me inr welcoming amber payne. >> thank you so much for the introduction and it's great to see you again. i had a slightly unmistakable connection. we will see how this goes and when in doubt i'm going to start reading chapter one. if we have technical difficulties. but we got to know each other. you were always talking about tuberculosis andor we knew that
you were working on the book. we didn't really get the full scope and through the year as we go to know them and you more about your background as a journalist and healthy and science and reporter, investigative reporter, it started to come together. i read your book and it's incredible. can you set the scene for those who don't know you what led you to thiss deep dive, this definitive social history of tuberculosis? >> i'm spamming everyone i know. i've been obsessed with this, which i have to write a biography about.
it's been in my head for like a decade and the fact i can just never stop talking about it. i am glad that i try to put as much in the book and i kind of see [inaudible] >> let's talk about dracula and whatou it has to do with tuberculosis. this would be a good time for you to read a passage in the book to set the scene for everybody. >> thank you.
make this clear connection between the hysteria and the terror. the length we've gone to find a cure you give me some sympathy for dracula. he seemed a little misunderstood. can you talk about that era of medical discovery and how the framework is still a cultural touch plaintiff that expands to seven days. >> to understand something we cannot understand combining that
it is a gift people value. that is what this book does and i hope the reader finds it interesting. k >> definitely. you traced the spread from the u.s. and europe in the 19th century to developing countries flourishing today. but to givedo a brief rundown ad how didat mom by become the incubator in such a disease?
it's misused especially in the pandemic. i feel like [inaudible] >> you talk about the story of a fewe' women. there is either a lack of treatment, the wrong treatment. i learned about these resistant forms of tb. the question is how is that still happening but i want to reference something in chapter five called antibiotic apocalypse on the move and you're talking with these doctors, listening to them talk
systematic discrimination in the east and the west so i wanted to talk a little bit more about that and how others have fueled by deliberate architecture of the fairness. it is documented in detail for the minority communities in the neighborhoods and housing projects in chicago to make the comparison. also i find myself in this
trials when the population was acdenied because you can't talk about it without the race and gender.i >> i feel like i learned a lot. we know it and we've heard about it. i was interested in how that fit into your exploration and you also went into hiv and that struggle across the board and you drew these parallels in history that i think are important and relatable for all audiences. but going back to the drugs, to squash this global health
epidemic, start with tb. there are other issues. what did you learn, can you give an example of something that you felt was important to dive into in the book, and i want to get to the question of how do we reform the drug industry. but let's talk about these drugs and the issue. it's manufactured at a cost for example they outsource for a fraction ofgs the cost.
calling into question the modality that guides it like this isn't a cost-effective intervention. my country is a low resource country. r we don't have a robust health system. they decided to have a conversation to help. [inaudible] essentially underlining this is they don't save black and brown people unless it is profitable for them.
>> it is racist and there is no way of beating around the bush so one of the things the book does -- to the black and brown nations. that's not being done before and the same thing applied before the pandemic began. it's been fascinating to watch that. >> it's prophetic because you draw this between colonialism
in my country -- >> we will start to take audience questions. please feel free to submit questions. i do need to ask about bill gates and the gates foundation, huge nonprofit. they've given 60 millionn in grants since they began last year alone they funded. they are revered in the space of equity research development funding. but to quote you, you write bill has the morals of a genius and a
ites also hires companies on the board and there's too much interest elected in public office. >> thank you for breaking that down. you have this example of an hiv drug that was going to be given for free. can you share some of that moment and how that proved to be a watershed moment for hiv drug pricing?
the questions innd the chat. there's one question here. we've been so aware of the disparity between rich and poor nations. are there a lot of other vaccines that this is the same problem before but we haven't acknowledged it? >> absolutely. cancer drugs is a big problem and a t genuine example for thoe that are desperately needed and when they become available it is just more expensive than gold.
we see the same things, taxpayer funded drugs. it keeps coming back someone like bernie sanders the conversations it is global because what we have are very few pharmaceutical companies all of which are based in the u.s. or uk or japan. also stop having this conversation as a global one. we cannot force the system to
account and we cannot have drugs regulated. >> our next question going back to the discussion are you suggesting the who and global health would be better off oewithout bill gates financial contribution? what is anyone else is doing that is making a tangible difference? >> this is a complicated question but if i have to say it would be better without philanthropy.
this is an example that there are global health with this one the countries can put together the money and thenes give it to countries so they can then manufacture drugs and contain infectious diseases. they are not ready to sell the package. what they see is one molecule that came before us. with who again.
of [inaudible] none of them have found structural solutions because that means they have to continue in the countries and the biggest example of this we carry trauma from that as a question to ask. it isn't the solution to the problems. >> okay. thank you for that question. here is another question. you have been brainstorming the book for years.
ankle down and that is my reason not in the realm because people feel like it is like cancer. were to feel it is as toxic as cancer. >> . >> i'm a nursing student which department office person do i contact to contribute to global health i'm so frustrated because so many clinics in my hometown throw away expired doses of vaccines. >> yes. yesterday it was reading with millions of vaccines and and i
believe again i do not know the structure with us or canada as much but i am as psychologist by training and in the public contacting your local representative and it is desperately needed and it boils my blood when i have lost so many friends and family members who would have lived if we just learn to share with each other and i do believe the solution is political.
>> connecting to covid i wondered if you could talk about how that has turned tv into a bigger threat can be done about that? >> with the highest but the neck and to my friends house and then withea their families and it has been heartbreaking in getting e-mails from tb patients to say i am terrified i will in fact my mother and
>> that that is real. that is realistic. we have time for one more so if anything if you have anything please get it in there with the reviews of your book india versus the us parties are picking up on certain things. >> i am very nervous about it and what you read that became the book is a compilation of stories i was not allowed in the newspapers. so i t remain on average and then the reaction in the us and i know my american friends
1972 and that was inspired which is why i believe and the need for black and brown solidarity but it is such a beautiful relationship between the east and the west and i was very happy to include it because of the apartheid in india entirely in keeping with those issues and jim crow with apartheid in south africa. and then we talked about race
properties and to negotiate as such and i am not just controlling the diseases for black and brown countries so i do hope if there is one and take away or two takeaways i would like for the toxic to be used because they are not available. governments are listening and they are toxic that you have a conversation that is more realistic and then to be too
emotional it's not an easy conversation to have that we need to have it now. >> thank you so much that is a pleasure and an honor to talk to you about your book especially since you and i and other made a trip to mercy brown's grave. do you want to explain who that is correct. >> the inspiration and remains buried in chestnut hill cemetery in rhode island. i'm lucky to have friends and family from when i was in boston. and i you pick up the book.
does have a lot in it. >> it does. get your copy. thank you so much. >> thank you for leading this conversation is so nice to have you here and with your beautiful location thank you for educating us on your beautiful book and i'm so excited for your launch in india. i know it will be great. >> thank you so much it is such a pleasure.