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kennedy on the day he died and the numbers assigned to him. if i need to go to the bathroom i won't go. i promise i won't go anywhere. i'll stay right behind these gates. [inaudible conversations]
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning. welcome to what is our second subcommittee hearing with the
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fiscal year 2023 budget request. before a continuing need to review the protocols for all members remotely joining the hearing. members participating must be visible on screen for the purpose of identity of verifications establishing and maintaining imports that dictating and voting could members was contained a word used the software platform the entire time while in attendance unless they experience connectivity issues or other technical problems that render them unable to participate on camera. members experiencing technical difficulty they should contact the committee staff for assistance. with that i would turn to my opening remarks as i mentioned. i believe we have 211 are quarterst of that we will streth thate out as far as we can we appreciate you working with that. first of all i'd likers to welce
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the principle of civilian deputy assistant secretary of the navy for research development and acquisition lieutenant general siebel wise and lieutenant general karsten heckl combat development command in deputy commandant for combat development and integration. thank you for being withg us today and we look forward to this discussion. it's important that we acknowledged the contents of this year's marine corps modernization budget request. three is a go the commandant of the core embarked a significant orientation intended to better align the core with national security challenges posed by the realities of today and tomorrow and certainly anybody who is reading the defense news there's plenty to be said about that. over the for your's is numbering coors modernization strategy generally relevant affordable and achievable and accordingly
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we have demonstrated our support. modernization is not without challenges or risk. their programs within and outside the jurisdiction of the subcommittee that married scrutiny and today's hearing we will specifically focus on rotary aviation and ground systems which across the marine corps program appeared generally in good shape shape in our particular interested to hear from our witnesses assessments and impacts on the department munitions drawdown in support of the conflict in ukraine. we also look forward to hearing their thoughts on modernization management the use of new acquisition authorities intended to accelerate research and development and the acquisition process and finally we look forward to hearing updates on specific row grahams such as the
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53k and the combat the eucla and tactical network antiship buyers and air defense. much to cover and we certainly would like to yield to my partner here from azeri. >> missouri. >> i'm a jersey guy. says missouri here. >> thank you mr. chairman. i like to our witnesses for being here today and thank you for your service to our country. three years ago, don heckl designed a plan to radically and aggressively redesigned and modernized the marine corps into more lethal fighting force better equipped and morel capabe to deter current and future threats to the most commendable assets of demering course plan was that the marine corps was paying for. the marine corps promised to
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transition from older platforms to newer more capable in a stable affordable and achievable way. the majority of marine corps programs are on-time on time and on track and on budget. i look forward to a conversation with their witnesses about the current status of demering course development and implementation and the critical defense program necessary to yield the capability and capacity for success. this committee has demonstrated our support for this program and to strategy the commandant has laid out. i command the marines leadership for their dedication and hard work to continuously reassess modernization investment priorities and reallocate already limited resources and the procurement of essential defense requirements and capabilities necessary to to build a more gleeful defense force.
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as we discuss the future modernization of demering course ground programs i would like the witnesses to identify what risks the marine corps is accepting in order to keep plant modernization programs affordable and on course to meet the long-term defense requirements of creating more lethal and agile force able to compete against future threats. i'm alsoto interested in numberg coors assessment of the resulting imposition of decreases to lower priority programs affect the health and stability of your modernization strategy as well as the industrial base. the fy23 defense budget request did not factor in russia's invasion of ukraine or the ongoing response by the u.s. and her allies to provide vehicles munitions and missiles and other
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military equipment to ukrainian forces in their fight against russia. i hope our witnesses can informy us of how the missiles and equipment transfers have affected u.s. stockpiles and whether you're getting what you need to the various supplemental appropriations to fund these operations. d and replenish depleted stockpiles. if there additional funding or authorizations we can provide fy 23 in the budget to get after replenishing now and avoid the need to fund supplemental through 2023 to restore your depleted capability we need to have this critical discussion now. i think the chairman for organizing this important timely hearing and i yield back. >> thank you and i just want to mention what you have been doing with the limited funds and
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redirection of those items that are the highest priority is much appreciated. i would suggest there things there are of concern. we are heading in a good direction and speaking for myself. generally we certainly believe this is so. mr. stefany great to have a you back here in your statement please. >> distinguished members of the subcommittee on behalf of myself lieutenant general heckl and general wise thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to speak on the fy23 budget request for marine corp modernization. during this hearing you will hear the marine corps has undertaken a modernization effort over the past five years, i'm sorry three years.
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we will explain why this modernization is w required or emphasizing the fundamental mission of the marine corps to be the c most ready when the nation is least ready has not changed. the marine corps will continue to serve as a force of readiness prepared to answer the nations call whenever and wherever that may be around the globe. as we watch the events unfold in ukraine it is clear warfare is aichanging. small chishti be the formations with power colin precision ethology using advanced intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance platforms and anti-armor fire have proven to be very effective in combat operations. it is evidence we cannot stand still. the marine corps design initiative recognizes this new reality. to take on surveillance plot
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firms in smaller systems for ground formations. the marine corps is investing in its future which we call organic rescission fires we are using middle tier acquisition authorities for this program and other force design programs that will allow us to rapidly develop prototypes and demonstrate new capabilities. this speeding the capabilities to marines. the marine corps top-rated remains the expeditionary interdiction system a ground-based missile system. we have successfully conducted to test up nemesis most recently in august of 2021 and are currently conductingnd developmental and operational assessment events for that system. i believe nemesis will have an immediate impact when it is deployed in 2023. the fy23 budget request
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continues the pattern of investing in successful part i'm so will make a difference in future conflicts and this includes the ground aired task oriented greater which is supporting nato operations the amphibious combat vehicle which just meant as benchmarks for mobility protection and safety of multiplied with the marine platoons later this year. and the joint tactical vehicle the modern ground vehicle that will replace legacy over the next several years. demering course the foreign posture is reliant on ground aviation and service mobility. they play critical roles providing lethality maneuverability targeting flexibility and persistence. we have completed operational tt helicopter and last month declared initial operational
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capabilities for ioc aircraft. the fy23 budget includes a request for authority for fy23 and 24 aircraft production and projected savings of $150 billion over purchasing the aircraft one year at a time. we have reached ioc for the presidential helicopter program in the last year and are starting the white house commission hou efforts. the success of the navy marine corps team to be ready to answer the nations call is routed him being forward-deployed. this readiness provides options and decisions for senior leaders such as yourself. the navy marine corps helps incidents from becoming crises or crisis from becoming aa conflict. we are confident the programs in our marine corps portfolio are achievable, affordable and will
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make our marines more successful. thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today and for your strong support of the marine corps modernization and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you. lieutenant colonel wise you are recognized. >> it's one statement for the three of us, sorry about that. >> thank you for your statement. this gives us more questions on top of that. you started your statement talking about ukraine and what we have been witnessing and the impact particularly the javelins in the stinger to a extent in this area. given the performance in the
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vehicles in ukraine the assessment of what you are witnessing both the lack of protection in some ways of the armor and the ability for ukraine to use the missiles particularly the javelin to -- the assessment of that what impact it might have on our existing fleet f of vehicles and the future so lieutenant general heckl and wise if you could comment on that. >> yes sir. thank you foran the question ani want to talk to mr. stefany's performance in from a comment on thank you. it's important to exercise caution before we draw
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conclusions too quickly. we are cautiously monitoring events and certainly that would apply. i think one of the things to consider as an overarching to frame thee discussion the russin tactics techniques and precisions it seems like they are not there so we use arms. there isth an inherent amount of protection in the way we employ our forces with the ground task force. specifically two weapons i believe our nation -- and it proves itself time and time again all the way from mujahideen in afghanistan and they said there is no change in ideology and no change in tactics and there was the stinger.r.
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that's the case for history and we are peering it out again. i think the armor issue the character of warfare has changed and we are seeing just put yourself in a bunch of armor and a lot of sustainment isn't necessarily going to make you safe or effective. >> i think also what i would add is the distributed nature of how ukrainians are operating in that manner is very insightful and instruct if and the direction the marine corps is going to validate some ways.s. isr wise you talk much like the commandant does about how it makes sense and how that allows you from those operations as
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well directly across to the javelinav to connect a friend. many good lessons and i would say equally there are a couple -- we need to make sure we learn the right lessons and a counter effect that the russians using are not up there so we make sure we put resilient systems out there in the battle space. >> thank you. i want to talk about what we are learning from ukraine and there should be a tremendous amount of weapons in addition to humanitarian aid in ukraine and the marines have been part of that. let me ask from your perspective what we are sending versus what we have available to us both from an operational capability
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but also in terms of what we are shipping or do we need to have available to resupply in particular the cause of the changing operating concept and what was the last number? 5500 javelins have been provided. what the impact is on the marine corps. >> most of those weapons would ian general heckl's area. >> the marine corps has supplied mr. hartzler's comment when this budget request was not constructed with the supplied to the ukrainians in mind. second and there we provided
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1000 javelin systems and possibly 1000 systems to ukraine and they are critical to resupply for us. and i would put to mr. stefany on the industrial base. >> another question he had in opening was supplemental for and that small supplemental is not enough to resupply and i look forward to your committee and the larger congress funding effort for the supplemental. we do have a little bit of money and we are starting a to rechare that. >> thankfully. we are waiting for the other housing get that moving that there's nothing unique to the marine javelins and stingers are
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to the other services. i just want to shift over to this ch 53k and talk about the ground issue and lieutenant general wise we have read a lot about this so mitigations and changes made along the lines. can you tell us where you are now and going forward the risk that we are looking for in the present configuration? >> i think the light is just a little dim. sorry about that. for the 53k the initial assessment was very early in the test process so i would answer it in two ways because we
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address it from multiple different angles. the 53k when we start the test events we start at the heart of the ample opene workout. the initial test events are very limited so things like limitations within a certain environment and we know it will go beyond that. we tested in tranche is to validate the fact that we got the envelope right. some of the limitations were based on those initial envelope limitations. what we have foundnd since then our couple of things on equipment side. one is the diagnostic capabilities are spectacular meaning the pilot can get a real-time performance capability readout to make real-time decisions on how it's performing regardless of the environment in the spreadout conditions. so that's part of it.
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it's expanding the envelope much wider than those initial assessments indicate. the other side two is the automation of the airframe. the automation is designed to allow pilots to get that the brownout conditions safely and minimize its time in that particular manner in which also really negates the issues we have with potential issues might have with a brownout conditions. so far since then we have demonstrated in the brownout conditions that aircraft has performed for 20 monday and it's in the brownout conditions with zero degradation of the engine so points back to the initial test parameters could be taken in the wrong way and we tested until we prove ourselves correct. itit's performing brilliantly bt there were multiple systems to that make that airplane the safest one out there.
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>> mr. stefany when we talk about acquisition and looking at what are we doing right or what are we doing wrong. on this one can you explain to us why it's multiyear at this point? >> a multi-air is still on our plan and our plan is to do a five-year multiyear determine after that. the reason we are doing it now is the criteria that is and statute to be able to have a proven design improving manufacturing updated so they can make an independent estimate. we didn't have that at the beginning of the process of this budget cycle. we will get that data out of the sikorsky and provided to you for
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analysis for multiyear darting a two years from now. >> so there is more data to be able to do justified at this point in time that the authorities cann accelerate. >> the part we want the supply chain is a big part of that we couldn't go back two years. when we do the five-year multiyear bear up to full speed up. >> with that i turn to ranking member hartzler. >> to build on of conversations we have t had back to the depleted stock and the supplementals that have been true if the senate approves the bill that was passed in the house is that adequate or are you going to be more in fy23 mdaa?
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>> for what we know right now and we project that would be adequate. there are more requests for an drawdown material and that can atchange over time. right now it's sufficient for what we project going forward. >> please keep us posted on that and as it relates to the space the situation in ukraine and the two global la mobilization to provide support by way of munitions has shone a light on on serious issues with our industrial base and supply chain so how are you working with partners in the military to mitigate and fix these issues? >> yes maam. a very close partnership. we are working together with
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industry recognizing the javelin is more modern and the production line isis able to sce it easier and we will go back and probably -- we than me need more industrially based money so we can restart this this in time so that whenever we are working on withrm the army and we will give it to the committee once forget the results. >> we need this answer yesterday really. so we can produce thees stingers again or shift to another munition that another country is perfected with the same capability. are theree any changes that ned to be made in the acquisition sustainment strategies with long lead times shortfalls and material -- >> i think between the authorities we have as well as
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defense reduction act authorities i think we have the authorities we need and we need to finish the assessment where the biggest risk i had start moving on addressing those. >> it's a in this possible and then this versus the 853k i'm glad to hear about the solution with the brownout concerned without any degradation at all. that's encouraging but but thish 50 3k from the start has had. unit cost concerns so i wanted to ask about that in because it costs as much or more than the joint strike fighter so can you explain why this is? >> thank you for the question. for the 50 3k we continue to
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realize cost reductions in the acquisition. the last two were the lowest two so far and each of them came down a level each. the cost for the most recent when you look at the same measurements be used for the f. 35 it's actually lower. >> how much is it now? >> the last lot was negotiated in $93.7 million. copy if you use the same metric for the 35 depending on which variant gets approximately 117 to one on severin -- 107. >> how are you working with them to bring down costs? >> yes maam. we work at multiple angles and partpr of it's the program as wl as with the vendor of the sikorsky and lockheed-martin but there are other things and one
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is generosity for two additional airplanes and the last to lots of four additional airplanes helps drive down the cost. recently on the international side the israelis committed to purchase 12 aircraft with an option for six more and it looks very good they will go down tha road. there were additional opportunities for the 53k and will be part of the berlin air show this year so looking at morere operatives to drive down costs and the. she it or multiple angles and not just manufacturing. allowing the learning curve to come up and produce it in a more effective manner. >> you mentioned in your opening statement and it does sound like a very exciting and helpful
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platform can. can you provide more information on what the system is and the capability to bring to the fight? >> yes maam, glad to and thanks for the question. thisne is another one of the programs that were alluded to as far as things going right for us and the expeditionary interdiction system is our number one modernization program. the system consists of two navy -- naval strike missiles which we were from partnership with their navy brotherser and sisters and the joint light tactical vehicle jets. as mr. stefany stated we deployed the many times and we have had successful shots over the course of three days. quite frankly from august of
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2021 with large-scale exercise we brought to strike missiles against the maritime -- so we are very pleased with that in the classification level the range we are very pleased with the range as well. going forward we are looking forward to fielding the system and announcing the fleet as soon as we possibly can. it sounds like a great capability. >> it was in july of 2023. >> how many? >> i will have to take that for the record and get back to you. >> i've a couple more if we have a second round at i yield back. >> thank you mr. chairman like to complement the army and marine corps research initiative
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to improve the -- for female soldiers and their ppe and i encourage you to continue in those efforts. mr. stefany we just heard from general heckl the battlefield is changing rapidly and he stated he wanted to give the enemy multiple problems on the battlefield. the new force design from angkor is fire fires is that the increased range accuracy for both maritime and ground targets. what if any canon artillery platforms would meet the needs? >> i would have to defer to general heckl on that. >> specifically asking about canon artillery? as you know maam the commandant has said sinceco the start as we experiment within our campaign
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ofof learning we will make chans to the commandant made a change. we were initially going to draw downin to five batteries of 777155-millimeter artillery and now we are going to go to seven. we have batteries from three on the west and four the east. >> that answers the question what you're looking at now. there's a large geographic signature that will put the mrl at reso i'm wondering if the marines have explored adding long-range precision to allow the marine commanders long-range -- without sacrificing survivability maneuverability. >> you were askedg playwright. artillary on the battlefield is very susceptible absolutely. you may or may not know we have
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hide -- within our inventory and we are working closely with the army. their marine corps is not large enough to pursue programs. we are doing that but the army and it will turn into the multiple launchth rocket system munitions which will include eventually the prism missile which will have phenomenal capability which will do land and surface targets. >> thank you and stepping away a bit from the target i'd like to talk about how the mrl will sustain itself with missile platforms being ohlke and presenting six amid -- significant challenges for their formation in a contest environment that is a mink or have a solution for ship to
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shore resupply of the missile platforms and on aircraft space matters. do you feel the marines will face the challenge of resupplying the boltsnk missile system that the theater? >> it's one great question. right now i will tell you that logistics in a contested environment ise their pacing effort right now. salve soler pacing ever. we are laser focused on it particular the within the marine corps. we are all over it. anybody that tells you otherwise logistics is always challenging and it can never be emphasized enough that preparation. i will simply tell you the strength ofze the marine corps a marine regiment is a form of -- it's tailored for her threat.
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the organic with that we have both the air and surface. for instanceof the nemesis is fully internally transportable in the 53k and we demonstrated it. we have demonstrated multiple times and we are standing up a 130 j. max run -- quadrant to provide additional organic lift within the indo pacific. that rings me to the law. surface connectors will be absolute critical and to keep it short here an important aspect of the law is the fact that it's a shore to shore connector. what you're saying play out in ukraine big y signatures of any type whether logistics or anywhere in the electromagnetic spectrum trails of fuel trucks
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to refuel armored foster signatures andho they are both d they become vulnerabilities. the shore to shore connector capability of the law is critical. we don't require a 12,000-foot runway. we do things from me -- perspective. does that answer maam? >> thank you very much general my time has expired. i should test some of those 53k for you guys. thank you and i yield back. >> thank you mr. chairman. general heckl and general wise thanks for joining us. general heckl we asked about thl commandant's guidance talking about lightening the force of his vision comes to combat and the theater agnostics but also the ability to crossover into
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the european theater wherever we are needed to e make sure the force is able to do that. the update of 2022 refined what you've done to get that concept down to where it needs to be. can you givet us more insight about the force and where you are with the testing of this with the marines in the field and figuring thiss out and whee you are today know you've made a number of adjustments but the size of the battalion and the number of our tillery pieces that can you tell us about how you have that in the planning guidance in how that allows you to achieve a strategy? >> a greatal question and we hae talked about it. it makes a more agile and flexible and creates a certain dynamic component of that force and i think we are seeing that play out in ukraine real time. widely dispersed well-equipped lethal precision munitions and
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the ability to move so let me give you an example. we have demonstrated multiple times how we can load nemesis on the kc 130 and remember the kc 130 can land in austere environments. we do this pretty regularly. though weapon system offloads and it reloads and is gone before the missile impacts. that's the dynamic i'm talking about. lightning any force is going to make that easier to do and ido will also say the ubiquity of sensors particularly in the end of pacific if you can be seen and you are worthy target meaning the extensive weapon system you could be hit. we are getting g after signature management it always back to the future little bit. we now have companies that we
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are on contract with thear half netting that can go over vehicles as well as people that eliminate the eye or signature. it's pretty impressive so that technology has advanced as well. the lighter the better and lighter means less sustainment and less force reducing the signature. i could go on all day. >> that's spot on. let me look at today's situation as you are looking at lightening the force. one of the challenges is what's happening now with munitions that are going out the door in the javelin and the stinger. we understand what needs to be done with the industrial base to resupply. i think the more important immediate question is what is the marine corps doing in the meantime so as these weapon stores are going down what
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happens if something occurs between now and the timeme we resupply and what can congresses do to help you in that mitigation strategy? >> i'm not super familiar with how its postures and what capability w it has. i will simply say there are ways to mitigate risk and a big part of that is the continued deterrencee. if you look at the whole spectrum of things that desires to get to the right side. the threshold of violence may be -- but the point is to deter to avoid getting into a situation where it's a concern. for marine that means being forward and being present but theirre allies in partners and quite frankly there is a lot of
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strength andst our allies and partners to utilize weapons systems and i think when the two played to that advantage and sir i don't know if you have any comments. >> i would add the marine cannot support the forward-deployed marines. we have notould gotten their ane commandant will talk to you so it's not like we have -- or the forward-deployed remains. >> lee work closely with the training status of their units. those same weapons have to be used in our marines have to fire them on the periodic aces to maintain their readiness and proficiency. >> thank you prince incredibly important for us to know ahead of time. thank you mr. chairman and i yield back. >> appreciate your being here in your leadership. i want to ask about the strike
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capability. another marines are vesting it and the army. it's facing concerns on my question would be how do you envision this working the pacific theater. the air force is to be 21 in the navy will have shipped boring capabilities so this is a real viable marine army basing issue and how do we deal with that? >> a great question and nemesis is one of our systems and the other one is the tomahawk. we share that with the navy. an incredibly long range weapon. we have demonstrated the weapon system firing on one of our platforms ground-based and we are very happy with it. we have yet to determine going forward is that larger missile system and the nemesis so again
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my concern as a guy with the marine corps i get concerned when i see things that are big and heavy comment difficult to resupply and signature. the ground-based tomahawk and by the way it launched out of a vertical launch system which looks similar to other ones so there are opportunities there is we go forward. we have that capability and very viable and we are concerned about access. one of the things the multi-domain task force armies filling in mo are complementary in nature. organic lift expeditionary atf is bigger and has more of a punch. we'll be up to allies and partners to determine what to allow but from my perspective is we have units can -- the third.
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to your point of big missile system there may be more concerned. >> i worry about the access point. i want to ask is their primary weapon that we need to have for the marines and what are your number one and number two things to replenish? >> cethe commandant's number one issue is amphibious ships to be to play. weapon systems -- dealing with ukraine were there certain weapons that ukraine had there we need to focus on for replenishment could expand thein javelin stinger creates
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>> we touched on that little a little bit so that would be your priority. what are the things i feel like we could have done quicker in this fight is putting the tanks behind the lines. what would be your advice on how we could -- on our capabilities for aircraft for example. do we see the same issue? >> you mentioned uavs. i did a couple of years with nato in strike force nato and time and not whitney and doing
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exercises and from ourg perspective whatever we do i think working within the nato construct them with our nato partners we can certainly do in war. you always wish you could have moved faster. >> we do have for strictures on uavs that slows usus down. on the surface we need to have a conversation about unmanned surface. >> the other countries are moving within our circle much faster and i feel like we have an opportunity to. i'm running out of time so i will yield back and thank you for your time. back thank you. representative jackson you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you ranking member hartzler for holding this hearing in thank you tour guess for being here.
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programs such as rotary aviation and ground systems. i want to touch on the importance of modernization for thenc medical community. as we conflict for cost savings in a way to modernize or systems there seems to be a trend looking towards making cuts on the medical side to support -- most recently we saw them marine corps position get cut which is a decision i whole heartedly disagree with. a mistake like that sets it back in our modernization efforts and could potentially cause damage to her medical readiness. understand having the latest aircraft and weapon systems is extremely important but that doesn't matter if we forget to care about our people. if we are forced to compete and we end up with appropriate leadership and accountability in the medical community it will be paramount for success. if we modernize our military
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would encourage the department in leadership to reconsider this decision. i want to shift gears and talk about the modernization efforts including this year's funding request for know when said the full committee heard testimony from general burger on the modernization efforts undertaken by the marine corps to adapt in the indodo pacific area. the need for congress to provide funding for the p-22 for general wise you told the committee few weeksfe ago you shared the same feelings that we have the money to ensure that we modernize our p-22 fleet and increase the overallnd readiness. nearly 75 million -- these document showed command for the marines to continue this program and features. modernizing our p-22 is not something that can wait. something when we could start on now. the workforce in amarillo has
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risen to the occasion this they air force improvements ahead of schedule. in a written submission to the committee do you know of any factors that have the potential to -- for this funds in fy23 and eight answer is clear with no. all this leads me to wonder if the amount is enough for congress would consider larger amounts to assure we canan dominate future complex and if additional work can be a common debate the workforce we should increase the rate at which this work is done. general wise submission with the marines be able to push this program further up the funds requested word. >> a great question and as we
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mentioned before we are laser focused on making sure there is no breakus in outline and we continue that improvement. we will ensure it starts at the backside of the air force upgrades to keep that going. as far as accelerating i believe the line does have the capacity to accelerate. we would also have to balance that with the aircraft off the line to make sure we get optimum sequencing so the rest of the fleet to deploy is balance. that part i would have to take for the record as far as how could we accelerated further to make sure we still have adequate capacitysu for deployment can still maximize the line. certainly we are interested in the program commitment and it does offerre so many readiness perks for us. >> i had the opportunity to look at these things when they were tearing them apart and some of
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them looked fairly barely while in others it like they need a lot of work. on a bipartisan basis many members of the committee of agree that the president's budget request does not give us the boosters to reunite his debate will need to provide additional funding. i would like to ask you another question related to the b-22 as we look at the need to compete in the pacific in just a few years what are the capability gaps that they the. face it would inhabit adequate level of readiness for the b-22 and are there platforms it would be able to accomplish the same thing? >> the b-22 is extraordinary capable because of the outfield tempo develops and there's nothing else that can do it that way. assault support with 53 other platforms.
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speed is very important so it does fill a unique capability and that's something we need to make sure we maximize to have those assets before we need them. >> i think my time is up and i have a third question which i will submit to the record. >> thank you. and do you have another question? let's talk about the humvees. obviously we are moving towards the jail teasing and it's no surprise to anybody in this room many accidents have taken the lives of our servicemen and women and the litigation that's been going on yet there is
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nothing in this year's request in terms ofs mitigating that create can you explain to us why you have elect did not to include any upgrades? >> absolute sir. the marine corps is all then on jail tv and we are not retaining the humvee so we are getting out of the humvee business. the faster we can do that the better. the jail tv is has proven itself to be a solid weapon system. it's more saved more capable more survivable from everett respective and has a lot of safety features that are inherent and some of the humvees we have we can even upgrade complete carefully identify the webest in the and we are getting rid of the. they have a lot braking system
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and electronic steering control all the things that contribute to the mishap rate all the way around. again i think we fielded 125 of them in her aao is -- so that's kas you know there reported 13n this request so the faster we can go with jltv the faster we can replacee the humvee. >> at today's estimate we are talking about 2031 with the mitigation getting rid of those and they can't retrofitted obviously. that's a long time and this is a serious issue at a relatively low cost and it is something we
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believe is extremely important. nobody likes to throw money at the bad thing. that's a long time and representative heck slur for follow-up comments. snack the jltv is onn the unfounded prior to listen there reported 13 requested. >> i'm pretty sure we have four and 13 vehicles in this budget request yes maam. snack thank you. >> general wise we talked a lot about the platforms but the most important part is the private and i want to get your thoughts onward her a ring pilot retention and recruitment in the future. it looks like those pilots find it more of a challenge to be able to keep it and what is the marine corps doing to make sure we retain those pilots in the
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years to come? >> thank you for the question. obviously we track closely all of our pilot retention issues and there are some areas that are complex and challenging right now as we know. we attack those from multiple directions. some of it is making sure it's adequate but the big thing which i think gets more towards the question is the retention side. someme of that is looking out bonuses depending on the platform to provide enticement and i would tell you from a personal perspective when i was being looked at four retention in the early years though enticing a nice it is was not the sole thing thatnd kept me. what really comes into play and i think most would agree to me is that right command climate in
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selecting the right people to provide that atmosphere where people want to come to workk everyday and be part of something like this. we are focused as well and the othere. a good piece that is tin closely with my counterparts specifically the chief of naval aviation training and watching those pipelines to make sure's that go through we are meeting our requirements for those pilots. for instance we are a few short this year that the four sears only half over so it will be towards the end. we watch them so closely. in most communities where considered healthy which is 85%i or above in a rotary-wing community. i would not say that's true across-the-board. there are plenty of challenges to go around they are relatively healthy right now in that regard. >> mr. veasey you are recognized.
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>> mr. chairman thank you very much. general wise i want to ask a question. it's orienting its modernizations strategy and multi-domain operations. how does they b-22 consist of any tilt rotor platform? >> thank you for the question. looking at distributing operations widely distributed operations the b-22 is uniquely capable not just because of the fact that it can deliver anywhere but the speed at which ityw can do that. it has demonstrated over and over since its deployment 2007 that is uniquely capable. the tilt rotor side has demonstrated across all the services and we have seen it in the navy and air force special operations. everyone is seeing the value of
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the platform and the japanese are on board as well. as farsighted or of the tilt rotor and of her opportunities and there's a question having to do with vertical lift and how the marine corps is expanding its view of some of the capabilities that have been developed through that program i would suggest some of tilt rotor capabilities would further expand our ability and capacity. there's huge potential in that area moving forward. we are working closely with all the vendors of the army the air force and the navy and a family of systems to address those civic additional capacity requirements. >> what about the tilt rotor and the rotary ring?
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>> the line is coming to an end and the army is first but the future of the left is the future we have this gap in the middle and that's why the program is potentially good way of filling that boy to keep the workforce for future vertical lift. we are looking at with major aircraft suppliers and the whole group to make sure we are doing is smartly with their air force and army counterparts. >> what are the biggest> challenges that we will have to overcome to moveng forward? >> the skilled workers to get the right skilled mechanics in the right area is not as
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appealing a career filled as it was 10 or 20 years ago. and other parts of the country making sure we as a nation are keeping those blue-collar skills active in a choice career for younger folks. >> we are seeing a lot of that in the dallas area. i appreciate your answer and i will turn it back toll the chairman. >> and tour witnesses very much appreciated. it's perfect timing and appreciate the testimony. we are adjourned.
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