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the meeting will come to order. let me first of all welcome all of our guests but we are delighted to have you all and i want to thank you again for your gracious hospitality that was shown to me as i visited with you all and i really, really enjoyed it. the weather was all canadian. [laughter] and i enjoyed that also. we will get started but today went to welcome her friends in the north, from candidate to continue the committee's very important conversation about how we pursue two critical goals ensuring energy security addressing climate change. these two goals are not mutually exclusive it's imperatively address both. we all agree putin has used russia's oiles and gas resources as a weapon to inflict terrible pain on ukrainian people and oni europe. and other cheek energy rich meritocracy's are taken out would be full to think xi jinping will not consumer using a similar playbook leveraging
playbook over supply chain. but putin's aggression is bring that free world closer together than ever say the stage for a new alliance run energy, mineral and climate. building this alliance should start here in north america that is why i'm excited to hear today about how we can strengthen the energy and minerals partnership between the united states and canada. canada is our largest energy trading partner they've a strong climate goals and they share our democratic values. this is why i recently traveled to alberta at the invitation of premier kenny, i spent two days getting a better understanding of our energy, minerals and manufacture partnership through meetings with president representatives from alberta, saskatchewan and the northwest territories by the federal government and tribal industry partners. canadians in america sure deep history are natural partners sharing the longest land border onon earth. our people fought side-by-side into rewards affect some of the uranium used by the manhattan
project was mined in canada's northwest territories and refined in ontario. we have cultivated a strong manufacturing partnership, particularly automotive industry with canada today bring our biggest export market for vehicles. cars assembled in canada contain on average more than 50% of u.s. value and parts. today we also treat over 58 hours of electricity 2.40% billions of petroleum products, 3.6 trillion cubic feet of natural gas each year. in fact, energy alone represents $120 billion of the annual trad between our countries but across all sectors the u.s. and canada trade more than $2 billion addaily. that is $2 billion daily. there is no better symbol of our energy relationship than are interconnected power grid which is seamless and integral for the reliable and affordable electricity, citizens and industries in both our countries depend on. and we are here for each other
during these times of need so electricity workers from both the u.s. and canada regularly cross the border, extreme weather events to help get the power back on when mother nature calls. kant is ramped up all oil exports to the u.s. offset russian crude and members of our committee led legislation to pump with energy purchases fueling putin's war machine. we know that a number of u.s. refineries are configuring every crude and canadian heavy crude provides an alternative to sources like venezuela, which we have sanctioned due to antidemocratic and critical minerals to the u.s. the partnership was strong but not without its challenges and in light of putin's war ukraine
in the global energy price search i think a lot of us wish that project had moved forward today. but to be clear i am not holding the hearing to relitigate the past. we're here to advance a stronger and a cleaner u.s. canada energy partnership for the future. our allies and trading partners in europe are begging for north american oil and gas to offset the reliance on russia. there is no reason whatsoever we should notng be able to fill tht void and do it cleaner than the alternatives. that is because american own gas is cleaner than what is produced in russian certainly in iran or venezuela but we can do better.e and learn from our canadian neighbors and all of us working together. on average canada produces oil 37% lower methane emissions than the u.s., that is technology we can use also. and the canadian government has set even more aggressive methane reduction targets. that is what i mean by climate
and security at not beings. mutually exclusive replacing russian product that the benefit of reducing the emissions profile of the energy europe needs today. i also strongly believe we need to be taking securityy into account as we invest in climate solutions but according to international agencies stationary and electric vehicle batteries will account for about half of the demand growth from clean energy technologies of the next 20 years. unforeseen china controls 80% of the worlds battery material processing, 60% of the worlds production, 80% of the worlds production. and 75 of that lithium ion battery cell production. they have cornered the market and we allowed it to happen. it makes no sense whatsoever for us to be so heavily invested in electric vehicles of the climate solution when that means increasing our reliance on china. because right now we are not simultaneously increasing our mining, our processing and
recycling capacity at the same rate in the united states.no the canadians are ahead of us on critical mineral refining process we have much to learn from them about how they are able to responsibly permit these activities and times that blow our timetables out of the water. i believe there's much we can collaborate on with canada should create a powerful north american critical mineral supply chain instead of increasing china's geopolitical leverage. i am sure our canadian friends are happy to export minerals to us. libby be clear, the united states also needs to contribute our part to north american a minerals alliance. i'm very interested in discussing how we can create an integrated network for raw materials to move across our borders for processing and manufacturing in both of our countries. during this time when u.s. and canon allies and friends are threatened, both by dictators and intenseenergy liberalization, over climate
issues we must work together to try to have a responsible pal for that will secure security unlock prosperity for all ofof . we are the superpower of the world and blessed with abundant energy and mineral resources but we cannot just sit back and let other countries fill the void and find ourselves in a more dire situation in years ahead. we must be leaning into responsible production of all energy sources. we are going to need to strengthening strategic partnerships, building a north american energy alliancee is te right thing to do. without going to turn to ranking member brasa for hisst remarks brickwork thank you so much mr. chairman for holden is very important hearing. thank you for your witnesses or bring her special into recognized premier jason of alberta for joining us thank you for being with us. mr. premier alberta has mentioned common with my home state of wyoming we have rolling praise, stunning mountain regions we both have an economy built on energy production. we both have an abundance of oit and natural gas and coal and
wind resources pretty both appreciate the high-paying jobs that come from energy development. we are both hurt by president biden's war on energy. 2003 candace estimated recoverable reserves of oil jumped about 175 billion barrels thanks to alberta. a few years later in the united states similar bounty was discovered. bathe application of advanced technologies like hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling watch and energy revolution. it had profound and positive impacts on aic nation's economyn the standings in the world. these developments the united states and canada shifted the world's energy center of gravity from the middle east and russia to north america. it is important we strengthen the energy and resource partnership between the united states andfr canada. biden's policies are placing it all at risk. the biden administration made the united states an unreliable partner to canada by killing the
keystone xl pipeline. not satisfied just harming canadian energy the president went on his appointees are doing everything possible to discourage american energy production. we are now less able to support her friends in north america and around the world.ou were less able to provide for ourselves. premier kenny and i agree thissa needs to change. we also a need to expand our partnership with canada beyond energy to critical minerals. this committee has held several hearings this congress on mining. demand for minerals worldwide has skyrocketed. some suggest we import minerals from canada as an alternative to mining it here at home. i strongly disagree. there's simply no way to meet u.s. and global demand for minerals without opening new mines in the unitedd states. our nation's permitting process number one barrier to messick production of minerals it takes ten years on average to permit a
mine in the united states. took us less time to get to the moon. in canada it can take as little as two years for similar permit. we should learn from canada's best practices. our electricity grids are physically tied with canada's. there are dozens of interconnections electrons note no borders. our countries face similar risks from blackouts even as we help each other keep the lights on. electricity must be reliable and affordable. people suffer and sometimes die otherwise. beelectricity policy in both countries could use a dose of reality. the united states and canada cannot rely on the sun when in wishful thinking alone brother ken has a different energy mix for its electric grid that makes the most of its affordable reliable and abundant natural resources the united states must do the same. the permitting success with hydropower and nuclear energy.
north american energy is a tremendous geopolitical assets. that means to be a strong energy mineral partnership with canada. i means being strong ourselves by ramping up energy and mineral production here in the united states freethinking mr. chairman i look forward to the testimony brickwork thank you senator and beef for get started will housekeeping here. i want to announce the greek prime minister be addressing a joint meeting in congress 10:30 five. i'm going to be staying here for this hearing. we are not going to be recessing any of the members who might have to leave her want to attend is understandable. thanks be much more interesting though. somebody turned to my witnesses and introduce them. premier of alberta, canada we have the honorable candidate associate deputy minister of the energy of natural resources. we have mr. francis president chief executive officer we also
have joining us in virtually the honorable wilkinson he's canada's minister of natural resources. i do understand that you have to leave at noon. to attend a cabinet meeting. we will be cognizant of your time and hopefully we get our questions you quickly. were going to open up a premier kenny with his opening remarks. turn on your mic there's a little button there, push it brickwork thank you very much and she members of the committee, thank you especially for having visited us in alberta i'm sorry we did not offer good weather but come back. senators, if you remember one thing from today's hearing i hope it will be this, that the providence of alberta is by far the largest source of u.s. energy imports. u.s. energy security depends on alberta. and alberta can be a huge part of the solution to the problem
of american energy inflation and cost-of-living crisis. senators, last year over 60% of u.s. oil and gas imports came from alberta that is 60916 it is ext% per u.s. energy information reports last year the united states imported two-point to billion barrels of crudeth oil. 1.4 billion of which or 62% came from canada virtually all of that from alberta. let's put that in perspective. last year, 13% of u.s. oil imports came from all opec countries combined and only 6% from saudi arabia. so alberta supplies the u.s. with a ten times more oil than saudi arabia and five times more than all of opec. the same is true for natural gas. last year my providence shipped 4.8 billion cubic feet of gas per day to the united states. that is 63% of your gas imports. i am proud to say alberta is home to the world's third
largest oil reserves about 180 billion barrels rhythm of the largest reserves of natural gas. owns those resources and has the exclusive constitutionalre jurisdiction to regulate the production. now, after your country has spent hundreds off billions of dollars in recent decades defending persian gulf area it turns out the solution to the challenges of energy security is your closest friend and ally paired vladimir putin brutal invasion has proven the danger of allowing dictators to dominate global energy markets weaponize wealth, using to spread violence, instability and terrorism around the world. and that is why we are so taken back when he vetoed the xl pipeline it was safely delivered 800 30,000 barrels a day of responsibly produced canadian energy to t the u.s. more than displacing the 607,00u
all bought from putin's russia last year. we were also perplexed with the administration's response to sky high gas prices was to plead with opec to produce and sell more oil but working to lift sanctions on a dictatorship like iran and venezuela paired white house officials have reportedly discussed a presidential visit to saudi arabia to press for more production of their oil and their exports to the u.s. oil that is used to buy cluster bombs dropped on many civilians. senators, calvary is a lot closer to washington and you do not need the u.s. navy's fifth fleet to patrol the great lakes. to quote former montana governor brian schweitzer, we don't have vyto send the national guard ino alberta. chairman manchin, we truly appreciate as i said your recent visit to a birdie to see firsthand the amazing progress that's being made to reduce emissions and improve the environmental performance of canada's oil but to also see the
deep partnerships between our energy producers and our indigenous people. and to discuss the development of a a north american energy alliance. we invite other members of this committee to visit alberta and see for yourself,to judge of yourself, dryer or in conclusions about whether alberta is a preferable solution as a source of imports to opec. between current unused capacity in the north american pipeline system and the prospect of pipeline optimization, plus the scheduled completion of the transit mountain expansion pipeline to canada's west coast next year, alberta it will be able to increase our crude exports to the u.s. by upwards of a million barrels a day over the next couple of years helping to reduce prices at the pump. but with the political will from washington we could also get another major pipeline built that would forever allow the united states to free itself from imports from hostile regimes. mr. chairman, where there is a
will there is a way for the government of alberta's keen to work with you and friends in the united states to get another major pipeline built to achieve the dream of north american energy independence and security. at the same time we must work together to maintain current supply. that is why call on the united states government to join canada in demanding the governor of michigan respect the 1977 candidate u.s. pipeline and transit by abandoning her efforts to decommission the line of five pipeline that is safely delivered over 600,000 barrels of canadian energy to the u.s. for six decades. her plan to do this would only worsen the energy cost-of-living crisis at the worst possible time. we must work on both sides of the board to remove regulatory barriers to the production and shipment of energy. senators, replacing conflict oil imports with canadian energy is not a threat to the environment. we take seriously the need to cut emissions and to address climate change. alberta's oil and gas producers
and pipeline companies some the world's highest rankings. alberta was the first place in north america to implement carbon pricing. through massive investments in clean tech we produce the carbon footprint of an average barrel of alberta oil by 36% since the year 2002 below the global average for heavy oil. our oil stands producers are committed to achieving net zero greenhouse gas emissions and their operations by 2050 in part through a big expansion of our world leading carbon capture utilization and storage infrastructure. we are on track to reduce emissions by at least 45%. we are at leading candidate right now and renewable energy investments and we are set to become a global hub in the production of net zero hydrogen. so thank you, mr. chairman i look forward to your questions l and ongoing collaboration between developing a north american energy alliance. >> thank you premier kennedy. now were going to go to natalie
camden. >> chairman manchin, ranking member barrasso and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to share best practices and present how we can grow our relationship. candidate in the u.s. are longis time friends, partners and allies. during world war ii the u.s. built aluminum smelters for the war efforts. today >> supplies around 60% of the north american aluminum. and thanks to our energy that is 99.8% renewable, it is the greenest in the world. this is more important now than ever. new national security demands a similar collaboration. for defense purposes, canadian products are considered domestic and our trait is further deepened to the u.s. >> stands ready to partner with
the united states to address weaknesses in our supply chain. how can we help? first of the minerals the u.s. needs and we are business ready. it's nickel, cobalt. all required the first in canada sets priorities from exploration recycling. >> is becoming known as we have 22 mines in operation. there is reminding products second and renewable energy is increasing mineral demands. to meet this challenge >> strategy to build a highly
efficient and accessible north american battery supply chain. and it is already taking shape. recently each announced a major facility less than 100 miles from vermont. and >> will power gm's next factory and michigan as well as facilities in ohio and tennessee. the plan is approved, together we can create jobs on both sides of the border. for manufacturing north america to be globally competitive, it needs to be truly north american. like in the u.s. mining projects and coal back required numerous permits and authorizations. we have streamlined these processes while increasing
social and transparency. through government reforms and ilpermit coordination office got administrative formalities bynm over 30%. and generate substantial savings without of course weakening our environmental stewardship. industry knows that social acceptability are paramount and >>. some are adapting globally recognized and standards. and sustainable. >>'s power provides a stable or household in new england. >> is also home to many indigenous communities. we have concluded that entreaties offer companies
predictability. in addition to our requiredin consultation process, we promote dialogue and indigenous communities, mining companies, and governments at the earliest stage. the close by stressing thed urgent need to deepen and expand our collaboration. the situation in ukraine shows energy vulnerabilities of many aligned countries. the message is theat same. the u.s. must diversify its sources and >> is here to help. working together can ensure our competitiveness, security and the environment for generations to come. >> is just an hour and a half flight from washington. we invite you to visit any time
perhaps will have nice weather. and i look forward to hearing your questions. >> thank you deputy minister. and now will go to mr. bradley. >> good morning chairman manchin, ranking member barrasso and members of the senate committee on natural resources. thank you for the opportunity for that mutually beneficial relationship between canada and the u.s. and how it bolsters shared goals for clean energy, energy security, reliability, affordability in our economies. we are the voice of the industry. our members to generate, transmit, distribute and market electricity across canada and the u.s. every day. the integrated u.s. canada electricity system is critical to energy relationship with this relationship that agreement for
free treatment between our countries. as both countries seek to achieve clean energy goals andun to ensure energy security, this partnership offers opportunities to increase the availability and development of reliable and affordable clean energy. canadians and americans share highly grid connected by high-voltage line some 30 states engaged electricity trade with canada each year. i own and invest in assets on both sides of the border. they work in unity of effort to keep the grid secure and reliable in the face of energy transformation, new security threats and more extreme weather. canada has a low carbon electricity grid, an abundance of reliable affordable and dispatch will power. further clean resource availment
opportunities. more than 80% of electricity producing canada is non- admitting today. predominantly dispatch doubleite hydropower. trait is not one-way. u.s. exports to canada. tangible benefits of electricity trade and integration for americans and canadians include enhance reliability and resilience through operational efficiencies and supply diversity. in larger markets greater emissions and support reading nobles and clean technology increased cross-border transmission infrastructure can enable further two-way trade and its benefits. the second installment department of energy review stress and i quote additional cross-border transmission infrastructure with canada has
been projected to lead to lower overall system cost and u.s. border regions and could enhance reliability backstop variable renewable energy development and enable overall lower overall admissions of u.s. power consumption. as such predictable regulatory regimes for energy infrastructure are important. in canada the u.s. has ambitious clean energy and climate goals at the federal and state level. to transition to net zero both countries will need every megawatt of non- admitting generation. as such canadian non- admitting imports should constitute clean energy under any climate or clean energy regime. electricity trading are important tools for reliable and clean energy supply and development. foran example clean power canadn
hydropower can help bring more u.s. intermittent resources online by serving as a backstop energy to solar and wind. a recent example is a great northern transmission line manitoba hydropower with u.s. wind. further canadian hydro can act as a battery to help reduce u.s. renewable or curtailment. a recent mit paper thankyd hydropower can be particularly as a compliment not a substitute for deploying more wind and solar in the northeast. there's also cooperation with technologyme leadership. ontario power generation and the tennessee valley authority announced plans to work together on advanced nuclear technology put another one of my members capitol power as we can carbon capture added to facility to support near zero natural gas
generation to convert captured carbon into carbon. that u.s. canada electricity relationship bolstering canadians and americans work together to address securityca risk and follow-up mandatory north american electricity standards getting companies provide mutual assistance crossing the border to help american companies restore power to customers more quickly in the aftermath of major weather disasters. in conclusion, candidate is a reliable and trusted electricity partner. this partnership is served canadian and americans for over 100 years. in the context of climate change and growing cyber and physical threats to the grid the u.s. comic candidate relationship is more important than ever. thankfo you.
thank you, mr. chairman, thank you two ranking member for the opportunity to speak withst the committee of the interconnected double threat to the national security into both of our nations to our security and climate change. i appeared here to share candidates perspective on this but their neighbor closest ally in our largest trading partners my roles my country's ministry of natural resources. i was as well as about six months ago. let me begin with a brief word cabrutal illegal invasion lodged by president putin against the people of ukraine represents a violation of international law and unjustified attack on a peaceful people. can you support to the ukrainian people is unshakable. to date we have provided consequential humanitarian and other support we are committed to continuing to do so. the international energy agencyw
defines energy security as the uninterrupted availability of energy sources at an important price. there are some some both of our countries who suggest given the current urgency of the security issue must set aside concerns and actions to climate change. this position is neither thoughtful or tentacle. domestic energy and climate action are increasingly inextricably tied together. scan networks to help our allies at this time of crisis we are concurrently cutting gas and oil emissions including methane regulations and establishing clean fuel and electricity standards to achieve our ambitious 2030 climates target. if we look to the present situation in europe, western european companies are working vigorously to securer predictabe supplies in the context of an increasingly belligerent andly irrational russia. short-term europe is focused on replacing russian energy works with those from other countries while aggressively accelerated in the transition towardsds
renewables and hydrogen in the medium-term. as a present of the european commission stated recently and i quote it is our switch to renewables and hydrogen this, context recent decisions by the united states of the european friends to displace russian for the short-term it's entirely appropriate. particularly since these actions are being taken very much within the context of our respective plans. however it is a shift to domestically produced renewable energy stable countries like canada that will provide energy security and national security to year. energy security in a sustainable future democratic countries to weanan themselves who weaponize energy strengthen jobs will respond the climate prices which
presently confronts us. given the challenging nature of current geopolitics each be focused on energy security is never been greater. security can be driven by u.s. energy collaboration and joint action on climate change but let us commit our countries to the further development of north america energy powerhouse, one that will facilitate security while helping to advance our shared journey down a path of net zero. 93% of american electricityca imports come from canada. all of this flows through a network of existing pipeline, very much including line five and cross-border electricity transmission lines. going forward there will be continuing relationship in the agency's net zero scenario for about a quarter current oil
production about half of gas production for use in non- combustion application such as petrochemical, lubricants, solventspr, and hydrogen. clearly countries that focus on producing are likely to be the last producer standing. in the context of the low carbon transition the opportunities for canada u.s. collaboration our mutual benefit r and norma spreadco for example critical minerals all the way from processing to manufacturing to recycling. hydrogen to fuel our trucks, trains or planes audibles or homes. transmission of clean electricity across our borders nuclear technology small modular reaction. clean technology. as a partner in these areas to be to be clear eyed, ensuring moving away from dependence on autocratic hydrocarbon producing country we do not inadvertentlyi
present washington last week to advance these conversations they are critical to the future of our economies are committed to working with you to enhance both american energy b security, to fight climate change to create jobs and economic opportunities for the citizens of both of our great country spread thank you very much for the opportunity to be here today. >> thank you minister. before we begin our questioning of the remiss if i did not all of us call beach interest or staff that has traveled with you. we want to welcome all of them. premier kenny? >> thanks editor i'm joined by alberta's minister of energy sunny savage made minister off the environment and nixon and alberta senior rep andi the nightshades james. >> thank you all for being here.
>> i'm traveling with people from >> i am supported by >>'s office in washington d.c. abigail hunter and justin. >> welcome to all of you. mr. bradley. >> might local support is andrew shaw andrew? >> mr. wilkinson to have anyone here you want to introduce? >> yes my deputy chief of staff i think is there and i am not sure if the ambassadors there as well she is certainly been supporting us to thishi exercise for. >> again welcome to all of our neighbors we appreciate you making the effort should be here today per thallus are further questioning pretty want to start with you both premier kenny and tminister wilkinson this is for both of y'all.
we all know the demand with covid-19 and also with putin's war on ukraine the strain that's putting all this with the north american energy is going to be needed for years to come in order to offset that we understand that. i would ask either one of you, both of you to answer this. have you been in contact with our administration here or your counterpart or premier kenny, other than us speaking to you from the legislative branch? increasing oil and natural gas the things we're going to need to help our allies you can start with yourself quickly to have a counterpart in the u.s. government. yesterday i did have meetings with officials at the u.s. statr
department. i will say we found it passing strange following the invasion of ukraine there were clear efforts by the administration to reach out to opec, saudi arabia, venezuela and iran. we have no record of any effort by the administration to reach out to alberta which as i have said provides a 62% of u.s. oil imports. >> mr. wilkinson did you all have any conversations are in and recapture counterparts u.s.? >> yes editor. we have had ongoing conversations with the administration. certainly i've spoken with secretary many, many times since the invasion of ukraine weave without the white house last weeket having multiple anconversations. we have had a number of in-person meetings to discuss how to address this pretty think you and i actually met in paris when secretary was there. and focus very much in terms of increasing production was our
announcement of 300 additional barrels a day which we work w wh premier kenny and the industry on was part of the product of that conversation. the optic and we continue to talk about issues lng exports. >> of you increase your production for the u.s.? >> lester is a record year. i think we had in december at 4.000000 barrelsls a day. but senator, we believe frankly we don't agree with 200,000-barrel, estimate but offered by minister wilkinson. we have about three and a thousand barrels unused capacity in the north american pipeline system which we expect to fill this year to increase production. once that is filled the
economics will probably work for additional shipment by rail which could be upwards of additional 200,000 barrels a day. in addition if midstream companies get serious about it and regulators approve it we could see a series of technical improvements through pipeline optimization line reversals over the next year or so but could add upwards of potential capacity. and finally in q4 2023. >> this would also reduce the united states reliance on opec. >> i would certainly with american refiners i know would prefer they get our energy on a discount since we are currently largely landlocked. we are price takers.s. i do know there are very keen tr get more access to her heavy supply.
>> administered to have anything to say on that? >> no. i think it's premier kenny said the focus on the short term has been on looking at ways to essentially utilize existing pipeline capacity per those were the 300,000-barrel or barrel equivalents come from it wasin e product with the pipeline companies the oil sector. and certainly that is part of the contribution for canada makes it the same way americans have made a contribution. they try to ensure we are addressing the concerns. >> let me go to the ambridge five pipeline we talked about. going under thehe great lakes. we are concerned and i'm sure you would understand we are concerned about the safety of that. we have had no problems. you will have a recommendations of how you could secure that and make it safer? and less than a danger people might be concerned about from
both of you all? >> well, first of all third $50 million high-tech extremely safe subterranean pipeline. this is to replace the pipeline that operated safely across for six decades delivering about five or 30,000 barrels a day atd lake swede to refineries in ohio, pennsylvania as well as ontario and >>. with the governors trying to do is decommission the current pipeline without thehe replacem, so that would strangle much of the energy source for the upper midwest but we appreciate the governor of canada is filed a complaint under 1977 pipelineat transit treaty. al handed over too mr. wilkinson to talk about that. >> yes. i would say the proponents has indicated a willingness to do whatever needs to be done to address environmental concerns.
thirdly the pipes under the streets of mackinaw is a key element of that pretty think it has gone above and beyond what is required here. we are obviously looking to find a resolution it's going to work for all sides. certainly we've invoked the treatysl the free flow we look o try to find a way to resolve this for this is important not just for canada but ohio, michigan, pennsylvania get product from this pipeline. >> have we ever had a leak or problem with that pipeline? >> not to my knowledge.th i think significant progress for six decades, correct? i am understanding encapsulate that in a tunnel types it would prevent it. from ever being a danger to the great lakes. >> that is right senator. i believe what they need to proceed more quickly which is what michigan would like to see is an acceleration of the regulatory approvals of that.
but to stop the current operation would jeopardize energy security for the upper midwest there's no doubt about that. >> with that will go to senator for his question for. >> premier kenny time is limited so yes and on some of these things were tout killing the keystone xl pipeline make it more difficult and expensive to move canadian oil to u.s. refineries? >> yes. >> now canadian oil which would have traveledd by pipe would hae to be a byte train, truck, is this more or less environmentally friendly? >> less. >> is killing me pipeline further exacerbated the supply chain issues between our two countries? >> yes. >> so is it fair to say president biden's decision to kill thehe keystone pipeline increase costs, harm the environment and added to our supply chain troubles? >> i think that is a reasonable conclusion. >> you noted in your testimony thatat keystone would have been able to move 800 30,000 barrels
a day, canadian oil paid significantly more than 670,000 barrels a day of oil be imported from russian 2021. if kisa would rebel would canna been able to replace the russian oil?si >> oh yes. in fact the operator tc energy had contracts move that 800,000 barrels plus per day. >> in your testimony you know president biden has pleaded with opec and russiae to increase ol output and has worked to remove sanctions on oil exports from venezuela and around the same time the administration continues to block access to energy resources and the infrastructure needed to move them and alberta and across the u.s. including in my home state of wyoming. i was just going to point out today's wall street journal had tuesday may 17, biden's a dance with the dictator. state the biden administration sanctions dance with the dictator, they are talking of course hear about venezuela
strong man. dance with the dictator is taking place even as it acts at every turn to restrict u.s. oil and production. so, despite its policy make any sense for the people of the united states or of canada? >> it is for you to figure out what works for the people of the united states, senator. i will just say this. we find it inexplicable the government of the united states has been more focused on canadian production i understand the providence rather than the federal can government takes the lead on permitting many energy products there are some differences in how we do things. providencesth own and natural resources in their border. the step behind her shaking their head yes across the board. providence is largely owned and has the authority. so in wyoming and other western states he federal government
owns and manages nearly 70% of the minerals within our state borders but this makes a verygo inefficient system. so, could you explain to all of his help providence rather than the federal government make better managers of natural resources? >> that is a great question. senator, we have found went have developed since 1947 when the first major discovery was found ingr alberta, we developed a hue expertise technical expertise, regular x expertise, policy expertise and gas production. it is fitting the constitution gives exclusive authority over to the providences over the regulation of the production of resources. want to thank the governor of canada for having recognized that and signed equivalency agreements with alberta over issues like the regulation of major greenhouse gas emissions, industrial admissions as well as methane paid frankly we are on the ground where the technical
expertise much more so than frankly bureaucrats in ottawa would have. >> when you are here i text with the former prime minister steven harper he responds back, i toldw them you're here but he said kenny is very strong. he was one of my best ministers so thank you very much for being here. mr. bradley, 60% of candace electricity comes from hydropower. another 20% from nuclear power. canada appears to make in the most of his god-given natural energy resources. the united states is blessedrs with major natural gas amounts, coal, renewable sources as well. do you believe in all the above energy storage that capitalize on abundant reliable and affordable natural resources to keep the lights on? >> senator, thank you for that question. yes in canada particularly in the context of our expectations with respect to reducing greenhouse gas emissions, we arf
and have continued to advocate for and all the above approach for all types of non- admitting electricity in the future. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. will have senator king. thank you very much for being here canada is a neighbor of maine the only that borders only one other state that we border to providences. i've always considered my foreign-policy experience based on the fact that i can see canada from maine. [laughter] sorry, i could not resist. premier kenny, picking up on some questions from senator barrasso, methane is the low hanging fruit of climate change. is the most potent greenhouse gas 80 times more than co2. i note in your testimony you have lowered it significantly. how did you do that?mo was it regulatory? was it a fee? was it a carbon fee?
what brought that about. this is an important topic for our discussion here in the states. >> through regulatory approach, the application of technology that is been developed in the alberta industry over the years we have committed -- we are the first jurisdiction in north america to methane reduction targets to reduce methane by 45%. that by 2025. did you you have a vigorous inspection regime? >> there is a target. there's a rigorous regime. we have seen some and credibly innovative in our providence it's made a big difference. now is being marketed in the united states would be happy to share that expertise. >> thank you but i would appreciate if you could follow perhaps have your staff give usw a monograph on your methane policies for this is something that's very important with us.
mr. wilkinson, again not for today perhaps you could have your staff give us some background on how you streamline the permitting process it. my position has always been with the most timely streamlined and effective environmental process with the strongest environmental safeguards. i think that is your standard. how do you do it in canada? what lessons can we take care for a permitting process it doesn't take senator barrasso pointed out, ten years to permit a mining operation that we need. you don't have to answer now but perhaps you could have your staff supply us with some thoughts on how your permitting process works and if they could compare with ours, which is quite goldberg -ish, that will be quite helpful. >> ms. camden hydro >> we went to the difficult connect process
in maine with the connection from hydro >> to boston. what trip that up more than anything else was a section of 56 miles through virgin forest in northern maine. there is a focus of the controversy. could hydro >> and the proponents of that proposal think about burying that section of line rather than a strip they're cutting through the forest. is that something that is under examination? that might relieve a lot of the controversy surrounding that project. >> thank you, senator for your question. this is not in my area of expertise in my portfolio. but i will make sure the >> office in d.c. follows up with your staff and answer this question. however, if you want i could
share with you the practices that we had put in place in >>. we got into streamlining of our processes regarding issue permitting. >> are very much see that thank you. >> there is a strong commitment from our government to reduce the burden and each department within the government has to provide a three-year plan with different measures being regulatory measure. >> i don't want to cut you off i've got a little clock in front of it says i only have 36 seconds. [laughter] went to get one question to mr. bradley before i leave. i have always been fascinated by the concept you articulate it and i think needs to be further developed. that is hydro >> or canadian hydro being the battery for new england. norway is the battery for denmark right now.yd as we move into offshore wind we could have an excess of energy
during certain periods of the day, which we could send north. you could store the water during those periods and then send us the dispatch of a hydro. you mention this, do you see something as a feasible option for us? >> not i do see is a feasible option this is going to be how we optimize in the future. it won't just be in the northwest. it will be inter- regionally all across north america. we do it as smaller scale already today. i mention the electricity flow is a two way between canada and the united states. often that flow from the united states into canada must run facilities in the united states that overnight are looking for markets andd essentially being stored in reservoirs for. >> big concert on the development of renewables' intermittency. intermittency is solved by somer kind of base load response. we talk about mining, lithium,
cobalt and nicole got a gigantic battery already in place in canada. for 20 years that this is a way to offset the intermittency. i hope that is something we can work on. and to the extent and how it could be implemented please let me know if i. >> we certainly will per we've always thought of our reservoirs as a giant batteries by quick denmark and norway are doing this right aswe we speak. this is not an unprecedented idea. thank you pre-thank you, mr. chairman. quick satterlee. >> think it mr. chairman. premier kenny it's great to have you with us. for the lasthaha few years environmental social governments or esg has gone from being somethingg that almost no one knew about, no one had ever even heard of just a couple of years ago, to something that is imposed a sweeping set of obligations imposed on
companies. but imposed at this point not by government, but by financial regulators, by markets and institutions around the world. but some government regulator stepping in and starting to embrace these and make them part of the regulatory portfolio. :: : : hem part of your regulatory portfolio. the number one goal of our movement, or at least a primary motivating goal seems to be to ensure divestment from fossil fuels in any and every way possible. i would imagine that the canada as it has in the united states. what impact are you seeing from esg specifically on the energy sector? >> there are significant impacts, senator. it's one of our primary concerns because there is been a
prejudicial and inaccurate application of the principles against investment and financil services to the committee and oil sands in particular with, as i say, nearly 180 billion of probable reserves. so the difficulty accessing reassurance, and there's credit and equity investment. aty lot of this emanating from european financial institutions and the misconception about the missions profile of canadian heavy oil. and here's the peculiar thing. of the top ten reserves in the world, venezuela, saudi arabia, canada, iran, iraq, russia, the uae and libya apart from the united states and canada, the other top ten reserves are in countries where energy is developed largely by state-owned enterprises or because i state owned enterprises who are not subject to the criteria, so if financial markets strangle the publicly traded transparent
companies in north america, all this will do is shift production to some of these worlds worst regime's in the state owned enterprises that are not subject to market conditions. >> could that mean that they could be producing oil with environmental standards? to continue to finance in vladimir putin's russia and they are not held to account for financing dictator oil that fuels the violence around the world. >> funny how that works. >> i assume these have translated to higher gasoline
prices for consumers in canada. >> it's been in the united states on u.s. oil and gas companies, calling on them to boost production. but he's doing that while simultaneously stalling or in some cases killing energy infrastructure projects,uc pressuring companies to divest from fossil fuels and setting impossible to meet never to be satisfied in mission standards to power companies. i would say yes because the canf keystone for the producers that committed to 800,000 per day to
make the big investment and sell it to you and they should have taken that out of their capital plans. >> on his very first day of office, president biden began hisav war by killing the keystoe xl pipeline. the response to the record high gasoline prices that are causing american consumers to suffer has been to beg venezuela and saudi arabia to ramp up the production it is inexplicable. i was in houston talking about how we could get if we really work together we could get a couple more barrels per day of canadian energy. when i was in houston i read that the president's advisers were suggesting he should go to
rehab to ask the saudi's to generate more. >> senator hagan luber? >> just like that, you almost missed it. first of all, thank you for being here, i'm looking up at the screen. appreciate you coming down. i was the mayor of denver as close to a cousin and i think as we can probably get in the past and sent several trips to alberta and across canada. probably the loudest supporter you will get of the brotherhood and sisterhood. 1 of my best experiences was across canada trained to watch these towns acrosss western
montana was an experience of a lifetime. let me ask you each a question to start. ultimately, the world is going to meet its climate targets we have to figure out how to decouple the cost of producing energy for the cost. you talked about this a little bit. as you've demonstrated, canada is one of the most ambitious on carbon pricing. if i remember right it was $170 by 2030, which is very aggressive, $150 now. can you explain for us that pricing of carbon how bad it enables the goal for energy production and emissions? you follow what i'm asking? >> that is probably directed better to the minister, that is a federal policy. >> i am happy to talk about that. putting the price on carbon pollution, let's be clear the
climate change is an important part of ensuring that it's taken into account in the context of everything individuals do in termsth of choices. it drives choices that are lower carbon and it incentivizes innovation on a going forward basis. it's one part and i would tell you canada house the most detailed plan that exists anywhere in terms of how we will go, but an important part of that is the pricing and i will tellll you 99.5 out of 100 will tellis you it's the most efficit and effective way to do it. >> mr. bradley, let me ask china is building i would say almost an energy empire built on cheap renewable resources enabled by the buildout in the regional transmission, a really massive grid. since 2014 they've added 260 gigawatts of capacity while be
in the united states have added three gigawatts. you speak to how this could enable the u.s. and canada to leverage the complementary to competerengths with the pro strategy and iat heard the earlier discussions about the costs of the border transmission that i think is very important, but for that a sense of you look at the coal consumption and it's been flat since 2010. they build more plants but they are continuing to do more with more solar. ourr trajectory it plays an to betely critical role able to enable more intermittent sources both within canada, in the united states and
ecross-border and it is going o be a critical component for us to be able to further expand that power. we are going to need more transparency if we are going to bring more intermittent power. >> thank you. the hydrogen production goal, ambitious, admirable. most is produced with steam methane without the accessory of the carbon capture. 1 of the main challenges we face here is that makes clean hydrogen much harder to produce at least for now. as you scale up the hydrogenhe production to move towards clean hydrogen in an affordable
manner? >> we are working right now in québec on the strategy released in a few weeks, so i cannot talk about it. we will make sure that you get the answer from the office. >> thankrt you. i will restrain myself on the questions of cobalt and lithium and put those in writing. i yelled back my time. >> sometimes the solutions to the problem are in our backyard. thank you for the folks and staff making the trip down here in person as well as appearing online. even if some of the oil that was supposed to be coming down the keystone pipeline are prepared
with accepting the oil so these type of decisions continue to impact all of us in many ways. i think i want to start with is the premier if you don't mind. the carbon footprint, the 36% per barrel of alberta oil and methane emissions down up to 45% what are you doing that makes this work? >> we are only going to get as far as it will take us introducing ambitions. with respect to reducing the intensity for the barrel, it's true it is energy intensive. it requires huge amounts of steam to separate the oil from the sand and increasingly the companiestr are shifting to this
like solvents and changing the source in one casef from using natural gas and other efficiencies right across the board. they are exploring the possibility of small modular reactors as a zero emitting source for extraction. and as i say a lot of what we've developed has helped us exceed the goals and the methane reduction. >> thanks for sharing. i've always said innovation will solve the problem, not federal government, not taxation as well. probably some, 20 to 40% of the exports go to the black sea. the united states on the other hand has been very much from canada for a lot ofrt reasons evidently i don't know what's different but it seems like the american companies have given up
on mining and right now of course they are buying a lot as well and the american farmers are shortchanged. are there any solutions out there and what are you doing to gear up and what is the timetable is. there anyway we ce can prioritize americann farmer? you are good ally? >> thank you for the question. unfortunately, we don't have coal ash in québec, not at all. >> i'm happy to take it. it is certainly one and this relates to the broad issue its uranium and cobalt. we are certainly focused as we discussed from the energy securityne perspective as it
relates to try to ensure that we are going to be able to respond to the needs that the united states and western europe are going to have as we look to place the sources from rushahd. there is a protest going on in a province called saskatchewan where i grew up and we are looking to augment the production and there is a new one in the next few years, so that is the conversation that is ongoing. >> do you have anything to add? >> they have the second largest reserves in the world and i should add the second largest uranium reserves. but i want to make a point that we don't flippr the switch. is it going to take months or a yearar or two to make that happ? >> the additional augmentation is ongoing right now.
wewe are going to see significat increases that will help and then wepr can wean ourselves of. >> thank you. i yelledlp back. let me talk about the environmental review process. any reason to hearing in the committee i discussed with the witness what we could be doingng to improve. being the optimal component that helps identify and resolve social license to operate other potential conflicts much earlier inal the process when compared o
our own and by the way, i'm from nevada. over 80% owned by the federal government, so we have an important relationship that we have to constantly engage at the federal level. my question to the panelists, can anyone elaborate on the differences between our systems and where canada may have a more successful citing and permitting and mr. wilkins and, maybe we will start with you. >> sure. for mining in particular at the provincial level some of the matter at. the federal level and the responsibility of the provinces. i absolutely agree with you what we tried to focus on is having those conversations very early,
identifyingg the things that hae to be addressed whether that impacts on water, species at risk or indigenous, which is a very important part of the process in canada trying to make sure we are isolating them very early on and so that you are not five years into a process when you run into the wall where there are significant concerns that haven't been addressed. those are things that while there are different views on environmentallyo processes, we would all agree that having those very early on is extremely importantro to expediting the process.th >> anyone else? >> usually i would say that when the environmental studies are
submitted to the government or the board to analyze, it takes between 48 to 60 months before getting the authorization from. and during that time we have public hearings and all these studies are made public as well as all the questions sent to the companies and of the answer given by the companies. they are all made public so it helps people and local communities and indigenous communities to learn more about what are the issues and concerns and in that way it helps with social acceptability. has the analysis added to the timeframe? >> 48 to 60 months, at the moment you submit your
environmental study and then we have the analyzed space and public hearings and after the public hearing sometimes the recommendation will change the projects and then the government will improve the project. >> thank you very much. i will yield back the remainder of my time. >> thank you. now we have senator langford. >> let me continue on the same conversation. the 48 to 60 months you are talking four or five years to be able to go to that process. we have multiple projects that to 15 years.
the question that comes up is is there a deadline where a decision has to be made and the decision is done because in the united states you may go through the permitting process andnd at the end of it, there's a lawsuit and then they file suit and there's the process then it goes through the evaluation again because it is expired and so that is the continuing process. 1 of the things that seems to be missing is there isn't a deadline. do you have a point you get to that time that you mentioned before where the decision is made everyone has beenli heard t that it's a done whether it's going to happen or not happen? >> there is no timeline but there is a strong commitment by the stakeholders to let people know what kind of information is required.
we have the companies prepare their studies and there is no litigation matter after approving the project's. >> so it is not allowed at that point. >> it's not allowed, what you would youprecise your question? >> then the decision is made? >> it's possible. >> do you want to comment on that at all? >> the idea is really important and to be honest with you we need to ensure that we are better aligning state levels and federal systems and we are in the process of launching more effectively because we have to get the money built more quickly
and through thees challenges of the critical minerals in terms of the process, there is a deadline and once the decision is made. >> buted we don't have the advantage at this point. we stretch it out for decades and we need to build more mines here as well but we can't seem to get through the process to be able to get it done. thanks for being here as well. the first foreign policy decision that he made a nkjanuary 20th of 2021 was to sy the united states isn't going to purchase more from canada. we are going to purchase more from russia and then to say we are not going to produce more from canada we are going to purchase more from russia and opec and that's proven to be a problem obviously for the united states. we need to purchase more from
canada and the days ahead and the consistency of that. you outlined that there is a process that you are currently walking through to increase the capacity for existing pipelines and increase the capacity of the 10 million barrels a day of increase that could come from canada based on what's happening right now. what went throughea that proces? >> the north american pipeline network there's about 300,000 barrels that we could fill and we anticipate most of that will be filled. >> what is preventing you from filling it now? >> there would need to be technical changes to increase the capacity through what the main street companies call the pipeline optimization, some wine reversals and other technical changes and they estimate collectively.
then finally, by 2024 the pipeline expansion that is owned by theto government of canada should be operational adding upwards of 600,000 barrels. that could largely be taken to the west coast refineries in washington and california. >> both of those could have gone ahead. could i ask one more follow-up question? >> why is the price higher?
>> there's a federal tax and we've suspended the collection of the tax because of inflation. >> we are at 13 cents a liter. chair man, thank you. thank you for inviting our friends and neighbors. i concur with senator marshall when he says sometimes the solutions are right in our backyard. look to your neighbors first and for some strange reason, we haven't done that as we have looked to power our energy needs with this administration and you
said you are having a hard time understanding the approach on this. know that there are many of us that are also having a hard time understanding where and why the administration has taken the approach that they have. there is a lot of kinship between alaska and canada right now where we feel we have been shunted off to the corner as well. itit is derailed by the administration whether it's the actions within the npr a, the recent actions with regards to the opportunity and the coastal plain areas, so we are also having a hard time understanding the direction from the administration. but i have to ask the question because we saw the response from president biden after russia
took the first step it to ukraine and the effort was to not come to canada as our partner but to call on venezuela and call on iran to turn to opec. is there something different in the product in the oil itself in the crude itself something in venezuela or iranian oil that american or canadian oil doesn't have, is it cleaner, what would give them that advantage over what we might be able to do here in the united states or canada, is there anything?
>> i would add this is a state owned enterprise with zero transparency and commitment where we are dealing with the top performance for energy producers with incredibly ambitious targets so i think we end up in a comparable sense penalizing ourselves because we are so self-critical and transparent i don't think we really know what the profile is of energy being produced in venezuela. >> i would agree and again alaska shares many of those attributes in terms of how we are able to produce in a way that not only minimizes but in terms of reduced emissions,
methane. we are heads and shoulders above not only other companies that other states as well. but again it is absolutely incomprehensible while we wouldn't seek those options and avenues that are cleaner to help not only the respective states but again the alliance which to me is just common sense. you've highlighted two things the administration has taken that harmed the ability of canadian crude to reach the refinery. clearly keystone and you've also mentioned line five which i hope the administration is paying to your words here. you've talked about optimization. what more can this administration do? we already know what they've done to limit the ability to have better relationship.
with pipeline optimization projects that are likely coming forward and the application of the defense production act to the development why not treat canadian oil and gas the samee way? >> there's a good recommendation. canada is one of the few countries that is considered a domestic source under the production act under title iii so that is an area of opportunity we need to push the administration to look to.
nobody's asked you many questions this morning but as i was listening to your testimony about this opportunity for electricity and sharing i was reminded of the discussion we had many years ago about this green pipeline that would run thfrom alaska community with of the hydropower, wind and moving it down to california. it was a dream at the time people told us we were crazy. the opportunities we have betweento the countries for the shared resources i don't think there's been a more important or timely hearing about what we can be doing from the energy security perspective within this cooperation and true north american energy alliance.
i was on a bipartisan way we were both embarrassed the country didn't turn to ourselves. our friends in canada were not asked. with a common sense approach and the same as you are asking in alaska that was the reason i thought it was imperative that we invited our friends down to show the interconnectedness that we depend on each other and we can do an awful lot and make north american energy not only energy independence but we can help our allies around the world
and bring all of our friendssi d countries in. you will do some things we think are very good and we do things with that we think we could be helpful land together we can truly move forward -- [laughter] we love north dakota and alberta. they are both great neighbors. electric grids are intertwined and two of the national parks connect to form the crown of the continent. the partnership between montana and alberta creates jobs,
energy, food security and increases the economic prosperity off both of the countries. hours after talking about uniting america and dividing it when he damaged and undermined the partnership when he canceled the keystone xl pipeline. vladimir putin has eastern europe european and europe over a barrel right now with of the dependency on russian oil and gas and that's why alberta filed a suit against the united states seeking $1.3 billion in damages. let me read a lien the from that filing. the biden administration to revoke the keystone xl pipeline, and i quote results from the
loss of thousands of jobs, caused harm to the american, canadian economies and diminished the system upon which future north american prosperity wouldd continue to rely. nearly six dollars a gallon. that line from that lawsuit i think sums it all up as you pointed out in the testimony when the gas and energy prices hit record highs families are struggling and instead of calling on u.s. and canadian producers, president biden wentt to opec. it's like a parody but it's the reality from the administration. energy security as natural security and we should be increasing the north american production, not going to form adversaries.
do you worry that b the administrations decision to kill the pipeline is the most carbon the friendly way to kill thousands of jobs, could that lead to further decisions to kill -- thereon are 70 operating oilds and gas pipelines in the united states as we make appear today h what can we do to contie to strengthen the montana alberta energy partnership? >> to veto the project to the borderline, the border crossing had been built so you have a
foreign government making an investment predicated on the certainty of the regulatory process, clearly in the mutual economic interest of both countries being retroactively vetoed and frankly when i look to the political pressure it would shut down the pipeline and problemated a serious of investor confidence. you are right at the state department under the former secretary clinton concluded not once but twice exhaustive studies that would have had a profile the only alternative that is shipping by rail and i would point out the steelworkers into building trades and others now it's invested by hope the invasionf of ukraine and in.
if energy security causes a fundamental rethinking of the issues in washington. >> i hope it wakes up the woke because it is a dangerous ideology and people are suffering because with the administration is doing to shut off the fossil fuels and it's a huge concern even for today and many on the committee. the steps alberto has taken, the administration has failed to be a partner from the past two decades they've become a carbon source that absorbs carbon, and burning force thatan emits carb. for yearss the lack of managemet is a negative impact on wildlife habitat, ecosystems, the economies and public safety but now we are seeing broader impacts on the housing market with the price of lumber. in the height of the pandemic the price more than tripled and even now the market is increasing the average
prices byily home nearly $20,000. 9 million acres and the treatment is half of the allowable sale bond today. let meme cut to the question. how does this compare to the process in alberta and would you agree it is the best tool to the environmental objectives? >> it takes five years to complete the projects here in the united states. >> it also regulates the forest reproduction and we've seen the opposite with a 30% increase in the harvesting since 2011,
$6 billion investment in the forestry. we have a large federal park where the forests have been absolutely destroyed by pine needle because there was no responsible harvesting policy, so i think this vindicates the local regulation of forestry. >> and we are seeing that close but our state lands we are seeing those with increased harvest. >> thank you, mr. chairman. in 2015, the chair man and i cosponsored legislation with senate bill one to approve the keystone xl pipeline and passed the senate
and house. had it not been it would be 830,000 barrels a day from canada to the united states which obviously would be of great help. and the likelihood it would have been expanded. another partnership that we have takes coal and converts it and captures the co2 and sends it to the waiver and oilfields in saskatchewan and is put on hold and that's been operating successfully for well over a
decadeol. how do we build on these partnerships now and an example that should be in place, keystone xl and another one that is in place operating very effectively providing the coal-fired in this case electricity but also synthetic natural gas. those, that have impeded the ability to produce more energy with the greatestt technology ad best environmental stewardship how do we cut through and get that message i to people in both so we can get more of these things done? >> it has an optimal system for the regulation to the contrary we have had huge regular tory
delays and uncertainty particularly around the pipelines but with the production and permitting, that is primarily controlled by the government on oil and gas in canada and wece have reduced by 20% the regulatory burden for permitting and accelerated by 60% the speed of permitting for the conventional oil and gas project so i would add in canada one aspect of regulatory delays is often associated with the need of the government to consult adequately with indigenous people. so it is in a beneficial way in the industry and resource development i think we are developing a very good model of indigenous participation includingci equity coownership f the major resource projects so that they feel like they are
participants in the resource development. >> so, what do you see today in terms of your resources and the united states are you still committed to producing energy bringing it to the united states enso that we are truly energy sufficient or are you dissuaded from doing that? what kind of things should we do to tryry to build that relationship and promote more partnering and energy development? >> to t develop that policy framework as ial mentioned earlr the administration with regards to the critical minerals as for all intents and purposes under the title three defense
production act i think a similar policy approach should be taken to the oil and gas and other energy resources. for starters, stop efforts to shut down the currentoa infrastructure like line five. the approval of the pipeline optimization and third can we bring back another between alberta and the united states. they participate in the capital markets have been private sector has been spoofed by that veto withe so much political and regulatory certainty, i think we as governments need to be more forward leaning to the projects enlike that. >> it takes both the provincial or the state government and respective federal governments to work with us to do it, right? thanks to all of you.
mr. chairman, i appreciate you. >> we are going to do a second round and i know i'm going to go right to mr. wilkinson if i may. i understand a little bit of what is going on and i want all of you to understand i want my administration and government to understand how important it is we all have a response ability to the climate and the energy that we need and understanding what the world's appetite is so that we can do it better, cleaner and anyplace in the world. hydrogen i know mr. wilkinson, you come a from a hydrogen background and you understand it. i also think i am very much interested in how we promote more. we've been promoting ev and i think it is a detriment of making ourselveses totally
reliant. between energy and critical minerals is so important. i also believe as we move forward we are going to start requiring that all the pipelines that we do our dual-purpose, that they are properly coded to be able to carry both and as we transition alberta, saskatchewan, some of the larger energy producing areas of the country how that can be supportive and how it can be helpful. >> thank you, senator. and i agree with everything you've said. the hydrogen i think is going to be extremely important as we move forward. >> we don't have to rely on any supply chains. both canada and of the united states are pleased to be
producers of large quantities. we can go both directions one is using electricity and the other is alberta and saskatchewan. we see canada as an emerging hydrogen vehicle for the world and to ensure we are building up the court orders and linking up the hydrogen we are developing as a way for us to accelerate progress on this and i totally agree with you that any infrastructure we are thinking about putting into place going forward needs to be hydrogen capable. we are looking right now at the exportss from canada to europe but it will need to be in the context of being hydrogen capable so we can ensure we are moving through the transition and not ending up with stranded assets so i agree this is an enormous opportunity and something that we need to work
on together. >> what is the thing we need to do most with the cooperation of the two countries and of the impediments you are running into? we understand your permitting process is about two years and hours can be as much as ten. we are trying to get that down so we can compete and do it on a timely fashion. to work on the critical factor be helpful for this relationship to continue toha flourish. >> senator, i don't have enough familiarity so i will say in our own backyard as i've mentioned we cut red tape by 20% on permitting. >> premier as far as working with the united states government or are coming into the markets or us going into the
market as a a transfer is there any impediment that you think we have? >> the government of the united states doesn't want more canadian energy. to risk that again that kind of capitall again we need a message about regulatory certainty. i would add that we are already ulhaving discussions with people from the united states. a month ago i was in washington and wehe had meetings with the
doe, the departmenti of interior as well as the departmentt of commerce and we are looking at the different ways of having greaterf collaboration and it could be investing, it could be uptake agreements but we need to be able to have a transparent dialogue with all of the stakeholders. >> both in canada and of the united states, our government and the administration both committed by 2035. to be able to achieve that is going to take a significant effort. certainly canada for the pathway to 2035 it needs to be done in a
manner that is coordinated between canada and the united states they don't think we can make it in 2050. you are accelerating because you think that is achievable is a lofty goal for us to shoot for him. we are committed to the economy byre 2050. >> the grid is the commitment for both president biden and at the prime minister's for 2035 so from this perspective our focus is on the immediacy of 2035 and we want to ensure that is done in a coordinated fashion. it's going to require two to three times more than produced today so that will only be in a coordinated and collaborative
fashion in canada and the u.s.. >> i completely agree there needs to be a much more strategic approach to north american energy. and that includes the energy sources and materials required in the future, hydrogen, critical minerals and certainly technologies around the carbon capture. 1 of the things we have to do is to ensure we don't allow irritants to get in the way of the kind of cooperation we need to be having so it would have huge implications for the industry because of the way that it was structured. there's no point in going backward in terms of energy
security. itoi was intended so we need toe strategic and thoughtful about how we partner in a way that is going to be good for both climate change and energy. >> he talked about this commitment by president biden and what i view is a extremely aggressive goals in north america because by the year 2035, now we areim in 2022, 13 years from now, they want to eliminate all natural gas and coal as sources of electricity. 60% comes from natural gas. are you concerned such aggressive goals are going to create reliability problems at for people --
>> frankly, yes, senator. we agree about reducing emissions which was five years ago the major source of electricity generation so there are huge investments in the conversions but we don't have hydro or nuclear and it takes a long time to develop nuclear so if the federal government slrequires us to move away from natural gas without, we won't have a reliable electricity grid which would obviously be devastating to the economy, so we should want to have ambitious reduction goals but they havee o be realistic. the first day of office
president biden killed the pipeline linking to the united states and then lifted sanctions that allowed gulfstream to. north stream to ended up being built. >> i would argue yes, senator. >> then we talked a little earlier about the joint partnership between president biden and they came out with their roadmap last year and together they stated it is a shared interest of the united states and canada to revitalize and expand the reliance and steadfast friendship. they also pledged to recognize the important economic and energy benefits of the bilateral energy relationship and its highly integratedd infrastructure. i believe since biden took office he hasn't been a good partner or partner to canada. what is your assessment of that and how can we improve this
partnership? >> i would mention some ideas, for starters, do no harm and i do not understand why the administration of the united states which is pleading with opec to ship more is taking a neutral position butd an effort to shut down the shipment of over half a million barrels to the upper midwest to commissions line five. now we appreciate they are currently in negotiations about that and resolving this is a treaty dispute but i don't think there should have tome be a negotiation. the government of the united states should make it clear that it's contrary to the national interest to shut down the project for starters. i think the strategic decision to treat the canadian energy as though it were an american energy to really enter into the true alliance. to the companies that there will
be a future market here, that you are not hostile to canadian energy. as i said, if we were serious about this, we could achieve withinut five years a complete elimination of north american imports. that would be demonstrably good for the world environment and peace and security. >> i would like to add my appreciation and also to support the greater north american energy all of the above and recognizing the guiding light does have to be it is changing more rapidly than any of us would want. there's a large% of the landscape that is increasingly
hostile and it's going to take a long time. we have to find effective ways to get carbon out of the air but i think some of the benefits that we could have by working together we arebu just steppingn our own greatest opportunities. the import of solar panels from canada was mentioned. we are going through that issue right now. looking at the provenance of solar panels. it could put our solar industry on its back for an extended period of time. i'm not saying that i shouldn't say for what point but i wunderstand the point. i don't think it's relevant in trying to deal with the massive
problem like climate which is what all of you are clearly doing, so t this hearing is a foundation that allows us to go forward and begin looking at what anna lyons would look like in a more pragmatic way. i agree with all of you that it's got to work on the state and local level but it is not without the cooperation and orchestration of the federal governments involved so i would hope that we could work with mexico as well. they could be a an active partner in these issues. >> i appreciate so much. we've been looking forward to this for quite some time. the world iss looking to north america right now and that includes all of us working together. what i do see is the problem and i've said this, my
administration is with goodwill and intent and all of our concernsns that we have with the responsibility to this beautiful planet that we have been able to occupy to do the best we can. .. they keep talking about china and renewables in china china has 3000 they're building 400 more. they are not taken their foot off the pedal at all. india had 500 up to 800 they wanted to build 100 more per the united states is goingng down. you all have basically gone down but everybody has tried to be ao responsible. do you take the developing nations of the world and the
leaders of the world such as us, do you take us out of the fossil industry before we have the replacement the rest of the world could move into? god help us. god help the climate. because the rest of them will not do what we are going to do. they're not going to do what we have done in this free democracy we all live and freedoms will enjoy. we have done it because it was the right thing to do. but taking us out of that industry before we have a replacement, all i have said the unites states of america should make sure we have a reliable, secured energy for a period of time during this transition as we are investing in the technology. you cannotot eliminate your wayo a cleaner climate. you can innovate your way to it. when those crisscross you give me as much is what i'm getting out now the dependable, reliable, affordable when you can give me that based on dispatch about reliable power when ever i want it for your new
technology we are coming and we will be designing and developing, that is when the market takes over. it is not us making government decisions as it will the market making those decisions. we have everybody afraid, if we do this and we build this great alliance in north america, we will become so good and so efficient what we are doing ite will just be prolonging us using fossil people want us not too. i can only speak from my position at one vote as a senator, that i will not vote to support the european model of what they are dealing with today. i think we can do it better. that is why i came to canada to see if you all would join us in the north american alliance and maybe we can get mexico and we can do that we have the ability and i'm scared to death that what xi jinping is watch what putin did with energy is what he would do with the critical
tintervals for our computer chips, are basically the processing and right now i think both of our countries are dependent on what is coming from russia and the technology end of it to transition. i do not want to transition and be totally reliant on foreign supply chain. that is just me. that is why he said energy is something, at savannah we can do. i've looked at that very astutely and very encouraging there so much more than needs to be done. but again i can say i don't think we can do it without each other pretty think we need each other. i appreciate very much winter break down these barriers make common sense decisions.th we do not to take away and shoot ourselves anymore than we have it. i think we can heal the wounds that we have. i just appreciate and hope you have a safe journey back home for thee core to visiting you soon. with that, let mei just say members will have until close of
business tomorrow to submit additional questions for the record if they were not able to submit today. i appreciate this partnership we have been able to speak about. and also, i want to thank you again and this committee will stand adjourned. [background noises] [background noises] [background noises] [background noises]
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