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statement good afternoon everyone. i am from economist and i'm here to welcome you to this hour-long conversation of the view from capitol hill and i must warn you before we start that i have i think an impossible task trying to moderate in one hour of panel with six senators and one u.s. congressman. i think it's virtually impossible and i've been wondering if what the collective narrative is, a herd of cats possibly. gentlemen thank you and senator thank you for joining us.
this is an extraordinary bunch of people who individually themselves are able to make a lehuge difference in what america's congress does and we couldn't be here anymore at a more important time. i'mu sure you heard president volodymyr zelensky and the other forces of ukraine a couple of days ago. president biden signed up 40 billion-dollar aid package for ukraine. it was a remarkably bipartisan passage and for this to happen at a time when most of the headlines about the united states is that this is an air of great partisanship and polarization and it was an extraordinary achievement so i'd like to start with that but there other things. where's the u.s. on climate change will happen after the midterms? is no secret the general expectation is one of both chambers of congress may change leadership. there's a lot to talk about and i would ask you to keep your
responses relatively brief. i'm going to try to introduce even ranking where he made a mistake by asking what is the ranking order and i'm afraid i was far more than i realized so i hope they get this right. senator leader of the declaration -- delegation senator leahy welcome. secondly senator robert menendez chairman of the foreign relations committee senator virgil wicker the senator senator from mississippi and ranking member of the commerce committee could senator joe manchin on my left and you'rere right chairman of the senate energy and natural resources committee and congressman gregory meeks congresswoman from new york the chairman of the house foreign relations committee senator chris coons the senator from delaware and chairman of the subcommittee that funds the state department
or perhaps more importantly as you will see chancellor schultz doppelgänger clearly. and last but not least a the ranking member must strategic forces subcommittee. thank you and welcome to all of you and i wanted to start senator leahy with you. you've been in the senate i believe 48 years. your 48 years have you seen a foreign aid package to a country at war to be passed in this way and how precedent it is ukraine and what explains the pipe artisanship of the support and will it last? .. as chairman of the appropriations committee i found everybody else was, republican and democrat were all saying the
same thing. how do we move this quickly? and we did. >> so the president we came together. meant to put some things in there as i recall and others did and the hunger but these additions for both republicans and democrats it has felt a lot different than the last three years. >> review also surprised how this came together and out how this bipartisan support with
the work continues quick. >> i'm not surprised in this particular case because ukraine is more than just that that offer ukrainians and whether or not we live in a world after he created after world war iir will survive and so the question of the day is at the epicenter is what type of world you want to live in? was a world you are minded or cannot choose of how you love her who you worship or how you
make your enterprise? or do want to live in a world where it's not so freedom is in the heart for ukrainians in the world i think this will continue to exist by know that's not the end of what ukraine will need that defensive assistance. >> . >> that contingent of republicans is there a risk as the midterms get closer when then control if that changes
if there is a change in congressional action to ukraine? >> they know theyto should not worry about q that. before world war ii there is a relatively strong group led by patriots like charles lindbergh that just looks at the world differently and they were very very much opposed to getting into world war ii. that has diminished but there is that element and i think there is some voices on cable tv that have amplified the view. that was reflected in the 11 no votes in the u.s. senate. and the reason we were able to approve this vast sum of
$40 billion is because of those away from the bill on the republican leaders made it clearly that they would supply enough votes to get this done if we remove other issues that we take time. more covid relief is important if we have domestic relief if we can then put into a supplemental bill but it's only about ukraine and the reflected we public opinion so the next tranche will have to be done and as the previous
speakers have said. >> if i can speak to the issue of bipartisanship with the senate armed 71 —- armed services committee in the senate armed services committee in the house as well we passed every single year and national authorization are not good at messaging that national security to work together as a committee as the senate and the house with the national defense and security
and with the national security? and it is true bipartisan public support and then with high inflation and cost-of-living and all of those things and that worries people and then as long as russia continue the brutality and now write that the average consistent on —- constituent in the west is also likely to be as concerned and with the
return of growth in the economy. and then it was reshaped by the complex one —- conflicts i think putin is counting on the west to lose focus. i think that is the real challenge that they can make real gains onn the battlefield and to getle to some negotiation and then ukraine should be making a decision about how this resolves that the president is in the indo pacific meeting with heads of state and that that we have not resolved and then to the pandemic and other issues.
>> you just left moldova and you think the world trust and the sustainability and us support? and well as the house delegations so that we are focused and we are united. then poland and finland in a bipartisan way. it's important for ukraine and the world and then talk about what russia is doing currently
on the continent of africa and then it shows that america that we are listening to them and then listening to our allies for their concerns and then to make sure putin is not successful and reported energy and resources and that's the message we are standing there one voices powerful and so with the scale of need it is likely another support package either before the midterms or
ybjust after are you confident? anybody not quick. >> iste want to make sure be very clear that this is a very distinguished group and that they are confident. >> i am confident all of us read the history books of world war ii and stalin and the difference today is the media and putting me such a clearer picture for the whole world and of families being machine gunned on the street
so look at finland it always stays out of nato and the public opinion polls were against joining nato. once the images of what's happening in ukraine came up the public opinion turned overnight and now finland wants to join. i think the public opinion in the united states hasth turned overnight and i am hoping that in our country it will bring republicans and democrats to work together with a strong purpose. >> thank you. senator manchin you are one of the most pivotal people in the senate. what is your take on the likelihood of sustained support to ukraine and i want to follow-up asking you about
the rest of the president's agenda where this does seem to be the case with bipartisan support? >> with thehe work on ukraine and a determination to resolve the sacrifices they have made that has united the whole world in the senate and congress like nothing i have seen in my lifetime. totally committed to support ukraine but were are all in this together. and i am totally committed is one person to see ukraine with the win. not just the treaty that's not where we are. >> basically moving putin back to russia. >> . >> i think ukraine is
determined to take their country back. >> and getting rid of putin quick. >> that is the rush of people to do that seek a 32nd intervention before we get into the domestic agenda elizabeth mann —- the american public reserves the right to change their mind and we have seen this happen over time there was less support for involvement in afghanistan in iraq some of the republican opposition is because there was a concern that as in previouse conflicts the money would be spent efficiently and well those who were arguing for adding an amendment that had to go back to the house to
make sure there was and inspector general that could watch over every dollar of the spending. s so there will continue to be support if the american people feel the money is being spent wisely and efficiently and if it seems we're getting somewhere to advance the american agenda. >> i agree 100 percent. we have to show the voting interest and the transparency of the american public they only expect with a demand and nation that is the position so what roger has said is absolutely true. and just one senator i believe strongly in a thought strategically never saw an opportunity more than this. and then we should have the commitment to support.
>> but the american people there was a question to say made on —- nato is not paying their fair share but with everybody coming together everybody is making a contribution and that ukraine does win. countries that are stronger together than ever that unity resonates to make it for a better tomorrow and that message also helps to keep us together and will resonate with the american people. >> that's of an important point and then it's a very strong transatlantic alliance and unity. and in other parts of the
world and then not backing the us and europe. two thirds of the world that did not support sanctions on russiaia one of the things is the covid support. is important for the united states to broaden the coalition of support. >> itco is important for all the countries that are concerned about the outcome of this conflict and also to engage in the other issues there is 100 million displaced people in the world the highest number ever. but it's not done with us we're on the verge to find and deploy the next generation
being worked on now but the 5 billion for overseas was wrapped up in other issues. and then to return to the question of global covid relief. there are other countries of india and north africa, many that are looking at where does this play out and asking what is their role in the future? is it a fight of democracy versus authoritarianism and with those refugees from other parts of the world. and how quickly we had come together to address ukrainian hunger and united states is the single largest donor for
covid relief and hunger relief for the world food program and elsewhere. we need to sustain that engagement if we want to bring the rest of the world on board against russian aggression. do yo' think enough has been done. >> nebraskans fully understand agriculture to feed thehe world just as ukraine does. not just to feed the world and move the products that we have, but also the effect of the economy. and those thate will have a ripple down to have the negative effect into the
economy. and if we see famine and let's be clear this is putin's fan and if it happens and we have to be clear about that but also we need to see everybody needs to step forward to make an effort to address what would be a worldwide problem of the famine and the possibility of destabilization in our system but also worldwide. >> we just a couple more ukraine so what for you is victory assuming putin is
still in power quick. >> and victory is how you create on —- ukrainians determine it is their country that has been violated it is their country that has suffered war crimes. and those that have to be the way into victories. having spoken to several ukrainian counterparts here and in washington, the vision of victory is pushing back putin and theai russians out of their country. that the one thing it will not exceed to ukraine although i think we are that is a prosecution of war crimes those are universal and need to be prosecuted so in the course of this conflict when
it ends in victory for ukraine i think they want to prosecute the war crimes but if not we need to because we need to send the global message beyond even to ten or ukraine and a global message thatne you cannot violate international order but if you do that with war crimes there will be serious consequences. [applause] >> how does united states do that with the position of the icc? >> i'm not sure we don't need a new member tribunal in this particular case that prosecutes the war crimes that have been committed that there such a provision to renew
tribunal specifically focused on those who participate in the icc. the world has to make a very clear and concise message with impunity and get away with it. >> how does the us do this? >> i totally agree. so you will note the russian soldiers basically admitted guilt. and then russia claiming a humanitarian purpose for those that are under siege and maybe holding then and hostages that they will face were crimes. but what we have seen, i
cannot praise the international press and those who put themselves at risk and what they have shown everybody knows the on —- these are were crimes. and if allowed to go unpunished then history will repeat itself. we must take a stand. that these were crimes would be punished. >> there have been times in the past republican colleagues have endless then so how do you see this?
>> senator menendez said it correctly the form does it mattertl in where would be comfortable with that so i do believe the chairman that is an alternative idea that has some merit. but the important thing is thed. decision-makers be prosecuted im not quarreling with the footsoldier to be the first prosecution but clearly with putin and his oligarchs and generals that they are the brunt of inflicting the wound on the world that we really thought was 70 years in the past. >> thank you. we only have 20 minutes left so other domestic priorities
so senator for obvious reasons you are essential to any progress being made on m the domestic agenda? >> so look at what we have been able to accomplish so far has been tremendous in a bipartisan way president biden has had more success and there is an opportunity and a responsibility that we can do something and first of all inflation is harming every person in america. and inflicting pain on the world we should get our financial house in order and pay down debt and also drug pricing there's no reason the world why we cannot negotiate for medicare and then whether
for diabetes and the need for insulin that should be something that is life-saving and very affordable. and then the third thing is energy and climate and you cannot do one without the other. the united states of america has a supply of natural gas ands oil. and then to make sure we have reliability and security. then we can replace some of the energy in the world and then tell the platforms we are talking about and that is something we are developing but also we have the ability
and technology will be needed for the transition that will happen. we should not repeat that united states has the ability to be an energy leader and supportive of allies around the world. >> sood just to be clear those that worry the ambitious climate agenda has not gone very far. >> that's not correct for what we have done already for bipartisan infrastructure built that has never been done we have so much more we can do and then by abandoning the fossil industry to have reliability insecurity that the allies and friends to have a discussion going on which
way if we spend hundreds of billions of dollars with new technology for the transition for the energy sector then you have to be able to make sure that can intersect and take care of this and you cannot replace one less you have something to replace it with. >> how do you see this and put it into the geostrategic environment? and that which is under way that is extraordinary is the us going to be, major gas exporter to europe and what does that mean? >> two things the example to mention was that they ran away from nuclear before they had the alternative to overreliance there was a lot
of concern expressed and because of russia's aggression that is now exposing the german economy and other countries in europe those in the green economy and pledging to get off of russian gas and oil and we have to use american resources to be available as an alternative energy source because of the ngos strategic to also make the transition to producing many more electric vehicles and green hydrogen have to be attentive to the united states lacking those minerals torequired for that and with that clean energy that is not
currently mind and process in the united states or and friendly countries will also go down the same kind of path germany did senator manchin is been talking with a bipartisan group is there a path forward? i think he is proposing coming forward with ourur broader strategic vision in response to this moment. >> the north american continent has a possibility to be the juggernaut of the world of canada andam the united states and mexico and in those three countries on onene continent working together seamlessly we will reduce our dependency on asia and china right now because 80 percent of the process has total control on the critical elements we cannot move into an electric vehicle with the
foreign supply chain so we are looking at this and putting it together to do something that has not been done and hopefully get the security and the confidence we are all in this weave and talking to the eu they need our lng we have six platforms that we need to more to get up and replace what russia has taken off the table i'm not sure putin has weaponize energy and i am concerned china could do the same. >> if i may if we have an emergency of crisis and elsewhere in terms of energy needs with the warren ukraine but it is my hope that in the midst of the crisis we do not forget the opportunity that
exist to move to a greener energy economy with the type of energy we don't have to depend on any country for wind, solar, electric vehicles, biomass and of course the essential minerals senator manchin talks about. those are all critical elements to make sure we have a planet that is sustainable for all the aspirations that we have precariously have an emergency at the moment. a challenge to meet and we need to meet that but it doesn't mean we cannot keep our eye on the prize which is to meet the challenges of global client on —- climate change in terms of finding the new energy sources. >> isn't one of the elements of that having a clear and
predictable regulatory environment that does not seem to be the case and actually they are trouble because of policy decisions from this administration so from the rest of the world perspective. >> there are several things that first of all we talked about this administration as if it has been there forever. it's been there about 15 minutes so let's recognize that and it comes into office inin the midst of a tremendous uproar in our own country in the midst of a once in a century pandemic to be dealt ouwith and ultimately meets that challenge not only for the united states but forma the world so we have been a little preoccupied and we have the challenge of russia and ukraine that i believe the administration is focused to make sure that we both help
lead in the world and cooperate towards in your new energy future that doesn't end up realizing. >> if we do not change the permit process with a cleaner environment we can't do it the average permitting process in the united states of america averages around ten years around the world and basically two years unless weou are determined and to work together it will not happen in america i can assure you we want something we want someone to do the dirty work we have to be self-reliant and we have to do it better and cleaner than any place in the world that we have to accelerate. >> how do you do this?
do you think the environment is such that acceleration he is talking about is plausible. >> that's with the problems in our own country look at the forest fires and the drought very significant parts of the country where the law of agriculture and those of large water reservoirs that does not come back and also we have to take a look at the rest of the world but if we don't face up to this words will be fought not over wield that overwater and that is something i don't think the world is truly prepared for the drought and
starvation and then militarily and economically and politically if we don't face up to the fact we have a real climate challenge the nowhere near enough is being done. >> i do want to get in a word senator menendez is right we do have a temporary crisis that will require us to use more fossil fuel in the administration initially projected and hope to do but the first day in office for president biden he shut down the keystone xl pipeline which basically brought crew down to the refineries in a more efficient manner we are still
doing the refining it just cost more and it takes longer now to get it to new orleans but the president in spite of the fact thatus countries in europe have to go back to cold and adjust to what is happening continues to shut down domestic production just in the last few days the and then that will be a major factor in the huge spike we have seen so i think it will be a factor in the midterm elections. >> we are getting a sense of the opinion of the united states i want to continue with you senator is one thing we're
asking ourselves so switching leadership after november what will change quick. >> one thing it is likely to change and the president's party loses seats or if he loses one seat in the senate changes. i think the border is an issue i think people still remember the disaster in afghanistan but if republicans win the house and senate then there will be a protection for the 2017 tax cuts on the united states senate and then to be protected for the next two years and something all of us have spoken and favor of overtime. more pressure for more defense
building and less pressure on increased a mystic spending and more emphasis on lifting the burden of job creators. there will be those changes in the united states senate if as expected we win the majority. i think we are likely to win but we can lose it if we try. >> toin say something on the finances that was the only thing that the democratic we was weighted unfairly. and to make adjustments and then to struggle to come up and then to have a competitive ggtax code that spins offer us in the united states taking care of ourselves and to pay
down her debt and live within our means. and with that existing tax code unless you / everything to the bone and with a positive situation living in the right direction and dedicating revenue and putting our financial house in order. >> if democrats continue in government they are likely to chip away at the most successful tax cut the united states has ever seen it brings investment back to the united states andnd revenues increase and it was roaring under the teeseventeen.
>> we are cutting you off. senator menendez. >> your question was what would change and i don't see my republican friends but the supreme court potential decision on roe vs wade on women's the reproductive rights could be a dramatic change in the senate election. but i do worry. mymy colleagues that in the republican party there are very strong voicess of isolation and if anything we have learned in ukraine and in covid as it relates to global client cheney on —- climate change we cannot seal off from the rest of the world women
that trend is the majority. making it more difficult and the engagement that we are now leading in the world once again as someone who spends the previous four years and then to have the finger stuck in there i cannot on that is considered the biggest adversaries. i am concerned about that i give the president enormous credit to bring the world together with the most significant coalition to lead the sanctions effort on russia which sanctions generally is not with european appetite. >> you asked me a question
earlier if the allies trust us but they ask for how long? what will happen? the fear to have the isolation and we are not part of the global structure and that is a huge issue and i know people talk about inflation but it is as if it was caused by joe biden. when in fact itk isla inflation all over the world. if you look everyplace that i travel, we have 8 percent inflation in the united states that places elsewhere it is in hedouble digits and 30 percent inflation it is a worldwide
incident talking about recovering from covid and if you look at jobs so how much can you count on us? and those that are with us with the democrats who were here. and then working hard to ensure the votes for the 40 billion-dollar package speaker pelosi also led a delegation i there will be a bipartisan delegation but the broader point there are leaders in both parties thatng recognize the urgency of sustained support for ukraine
with the engagement and response to closely consult with allies first to lead in alliance and partnership with european partners they have not have a lot of thinking sanctions and theyin have been actively engaged this is collective action by important exexample of both president biden's leadership but also the republicans and democrats in congress pulling together. >> that bipartisanship anytime we do something by ourselves and then to work very closely with. >> and then we have another republican invoice so what
will change quick. >> i think the audience has had a good look into politics in the united states and also the positive attitude and then to move in the national defense and security which solidifies the place as a world leader understanding the importance of a strong leadership of the united states and that is what we have every single dayme in the 50/50 senate that is the focus by my conference to address the needs that i hear which is
the cost of gas and food where investments to see the returns and with the southern border that bring upnd afghanistan and then to withdraw from that i believe is the tipping point of public opinion and all of that crime would have a election for thear midterms this year and you will watch it play out as we do. >> senator, very last brief word. >> joe biden would still be president no matter the results of the elections as a