and now about tonight's speakers. tony passonowski is the author of let them trimble biographical interventions marking 100 years of the communist party usa and author editor of faith in the

masses essays celebrating 100 years of the communist party usa. his is just now published book is titled the cancer of colonialism w altheas hunton. black liberation and the daily worker 1944 to 1946 hasanovski has appeared on c-span's book tv and speaks regularly on college and university campuses across the country. and tonight he will be in conversely conversation with dr. gerald horn. dr. gerald horne holds the moore's professor professorship of history and african-american studies at the university of houston his research has addressed issues of racism in a variety of relations involving labor politics civil rights international relations and war dr. horn received his phd in history from columbia university and his jd from the university of california berkeley and his ba from princeton university.

he is the author of over 30 books including the dawning of the apocalypse the roots of slavery white supremacy settler colonialism and capitalism in the long 16th century whenever the 2021 american book award awarded by the before columbus foundation, and he was born and raised in st. louis. and now without further ado. i'm very pleased and happy to welcome for left bank books our guests for the evening tony passanovski and dr. gerald horn if you would please help me. giving them a very warm welcome. hello. well, thank you. left bank books for hosting this discussion and also a special. thank you to my friend dr. gerald horne. gerald was a leader in the movements that led to the demise of apartheid in south africa

something that i'll face huntin devoted his life to so it is a special honor to have this discussion with gerald tonight. my talk this evening, which will be about 12 minutes is a preview of sorts of the cancer of colonialism as shane noted gerald will respond and then we'll have time for some brief discussion and q&a. w alphaeus hunton a howard university professor joined the council on african affairs in 1943 as an intellectual and organizational architect of what is called the long civil rights movement. he brought a wealth of knowledge and experience to that organization. as gerald has noted the caa was the vanguard organization in the

us campaign and against colonialism it provided the connective tissue that brought together african americans struggle in for equality with africans struggle for black liberation. from 1943 to 1955 these caa and its publications new africa and spotlight on africa were hunton's main political outlets. through the caa. he engaged a black radical diaspora that included pan-africanists communist union leaders elected officials and progressives. hunton's journalism spanned roughly 35 years including a weekly column from the communist party's daily worker which the cancer of colonialism reprints. he also wrote for paul robeson's

freedom newspaper and was a contributor to freedom ways. during this time with the caa hunton wrote numerous speeches, press releases and pamphlets and in 1957. he published decision in africa sources of current conflict, which i'm happy to announce is now back in print all of these sources hold value to anyone interested in the evolution of 20th century resistance to jim crow and colonial subjugation. hunton's life provides a window into a world of post-world war two mccarthy and civil rights era activism. and it bridges the struggles for african-american equality black liberation and colonial independence struggles that were intimately linked to a world

movement for socialism what i call a red black alliance central to hunt and analysis was a ryzen black militancy comfortable with red allies. that black luminaries such as paul robeson and later w e b dubois and hunton's closest caa co-workers chose to align with communist complicates our discourses on the permissible boundaries of black civil rights that robson du bois and hunting among others sought and found allies in the socialist camp adds another layer of nuance. on his first day at the caa's new york office hunton recalled the cross atlantic solidarity showed by the british working class in the fight against slavery. he told reporters just as labor

and the liberal forces of england recognized that their own interest lay in the overthrow of american slavery. so today it is necessary for americans and all people of the anti-axis world to realize that their future security and peace ultimately depend upon the abolition of imperialism in africa and throughout the world. hunton came back to this theme in his daily worker columns by reminding readers that slavery was defeated in part with international support hunton articulated a strategic concept. he connected these struggle for equality and liberation with the ability to bring international pressure to bear. the abolitionist forces in america looked to england for

help in their struggle and they received much practical supports financial. and otherwise, he wrote. as a communist hunt and saw internationalism as a foundational requisite for both african-american equality and black liberation further. he saw soviet socialism through the prism of its ideological and material support for colonial peoples. perhaps surprising to some soviet support for national liberation was not rhetorical as hunton documented. additionally. he recognized these special emphasis communist placed on what was called the -- question as well as the soviet indictment of us racism. coupled with the defense of the scottsboro nine the emergence of

groups like the national -- congress and the southern -- youth congress as well as multi-racial communist led cio unions by the mid-1930s the communist party usa had a level of respect and prestige, especially especially in the black community. only dreamed of a decade earlier hard one acceptance resulted in many african-american activists including alphaeus hunton join the communist party. hunting's perspectives on equality and liberation were seen through this lens as a result. he sought to popularize soviet socialism as an ally in post-war african development. as his daily worker columns indicate hunton was primarily concerned with how the people of

africa themselves viewed the soviet union and in august 1944 column. he wrote with the increase in knowledge of the soviet power african leaders are more frequently satan the contrast between the failure of the european colonial administration and the remarkable success of the soviet government. success was defined as raisin soviet citizens out of a state of colonial serfdom. huntin's use of the language of liberation is important. he is intentionally comparing colonial subjects in africa and colonial serfs in the former russian empire in an effort to build solidarity between the black and the red. in an april 1945 column he wrote never before have the -- and other oppressed peoples had such

strong manifold allies as today. the soviet union was his prime example. though his articles were read by an international audience hunt and emphasized that his main responsibility was to educate and organize domestically to him the caa should provide a sound basis of accurate information so that the american people might play their proper part in these struggle for african freedom a goal at odds with us imperialism once the war time alliance with the soviet union was broken. in fact, the post-war world proved to be very different than the one hunton envisioned. in 1946 the caa could partner with broadway celebrities and phil madison square garden was 15,000 supporters.

however by 1947 us attorney general tom clark had labeled the council subversive. by 1950 the caa couldn't even rent the garden. the post-war red scare and cold war sought to suffocate groups like the caa illustrative of the ubiquitous repressive environment according to the new york times. the caa was nothing more than a communist controlled organization supported mainly by --. this is an important acknowledgment a confession to highlights to convergent facts one the rule in class tacitly admitted that black militancy comfortable with red allies was a potent political force and two the emergent red scare would focus laser-like on black-led communist organizations like the

caa and the crc the civil rights congress of which hunton was a bail fund trustee. hunting was succinct and to the point in an august 1949 letter to the daily worker. he defended the recently indicted communist party usa leaders while also taken aim at the enemy white supremacy. he wrote the record will show that the fight for the freedom of the communists is a fight for their right to fight for the rights of --. this neglected statement is profound and articulates an ideological formulation that centers the struggle for african-american equality as essential to the fight for democracy to hunt in the role of communist was to both defend and expand democracy. unfortunately as charice burton

stilley argues the cold war state apparatus responded to hunton and those like him by weaponizing anti-communism. like their cpusa friends robson dubois and hunton were also punished robeson had his passport revoked. the boys was labeled a foreign agent hunton was thrown in jail. jail. he didn't back down though. when hunting likened south africa to one gigantic concentration camp, he was also challenging the us government's commitment to equality and democracy a challenge not lost on us policy makers. as brenda gail plumer argues cold war rivalries forced the united states to confront segregation and stimulated reforms on the civil rights front hunton's critiques of

apartheid and jim crow amplified by his international allies, especially those in moscow helped to force concessions on behalf of equality and liberation and unacceptable betrayal from washington's vantage point. after the caas 1955 forest dissolution hunton focused his attention on decision in africa, which brought a marxist analysis to the plunder of the continent while highlight in a path toward independence aided by world socialism hunting argued the peoples of africa were no longer forced to bend the knee for they now have an alternative to western markets and the socialist sector of the world soviet socialism as a global competitor was a world historic event. of course cold war commentators insisted that soviet assistance

was a threat to africa and the free world. this is reminiscent of the saber rattling that has now been directed at china today regardless hunting doug deeper as he saw it what worries washington is not so much the interest of the prospective recipients of soviet aid as its own interest world imperialism fears the weakening or loss of its exclusive control and influence. it fears given these countries the chance to make choices and decisions of their own. by spring 1961 decision in africa had been published throughout eastern europe. that summer affairs was invited to the soviet union radio and press interviews university lectures and other speaking engagements were arranged further. bruising washington's already

battered international reputation as press reports had recently broadcast newsreel of abused and bloodied freedom writers. hunting continued to popularize soviet support for equality and liberation from ghana and then from zambia until his death in 1970. in 1991 nelson mandela hosted a reception for cpusa leaders, angela davis and charlene mitchell to washington's chagrin the future and nobel peace prize recipient told his comrades. we will never permit our enemies to tell us who our friends should be. mandela's comment acknowledges the role of communists like alphaeus hunton as well as world socialism in the downfall of apartheid affairs hunting clearly saw the need for international allies in the struggle for equality and liberation perhaps. this is a lesson worth study in

and and with that i'll give it over to gerald for his response. well, thank you simulating and informative remarks. i'll just add a few footnotes one referencing hunting's roots in canada as well as the united states that is to say as many of us know doing the battle days of slavery. you had many black people who fled north not least because of what was just reference. canada under british rule provided a sanctuary for escaping africans and interestingly enough during that particular period the antagonists of us set more colonialism than the 19th century. were oftentimes labeled as being

toadies of london just as the antagonists of us imperialism. in the 20th century were tard with the label of being told. he's a moscow. he also noticed to say hunton spent time as noted at howard university. where he talked during the 1930s when howard was a kind of lodest for the us left? the faculty not only included the hutton but also included his comrade doxie wilkerson. who made significant contributions to the movement as well? not to mention the man who eventually became the first black nobel laureates speaking of ralph bunch. who migrated from the left at howard university to the other side of the spectrum when he toiled during world war two for

the office of strategic services the precursor of the central intelligence agency before leapfrogging to the united nations? i think it's also worth the underscoring the turning point. not only in hunting's life but in the life. of many of us and certainly in the life of us imperialism speaking of what i refer to as the compromise of 1954. whereby washington us imperialism under pressure because it's sought to make an appeal to african and caribbean nations surging towards independence but had difficulty in doing so as long as black people in this country retreated so atrociously, that created a dynamic that led to the erosion of the more horrific aspects of jim crow. but alas there was a trade-off because the trade-off basically

involved the marginalizing of some of our most farsighted internationalist leaders. not only alphia sutton but his close comrades paul robeson and w e b dubois. i should also say that with that marginalizing process. it became difficult if not incomprehensible in terms of explaining the backlash against desegregation that we witnessed in little rock, arkansas in 1957, when black youth had to be guarded by federal troops to desegregate central high school or ole miss university of mississippi, 1962 where you had a similar militarized scenario just to make sure that james meredith a soul solitary black student wasn't torn limb from

limb and not to mention to show it wasn't sectional the desegregation battle. in boston overbusting in the 1970s but i'm afraid to say that in a certain sense despite enormous progress since the marginalizing of hunting robson shirley graham dubois, w e b du bois at all. we still face a like problem. that is to say trying to develop some sort of global analysis. that would it wants shed light upon the dark conditions. we face in the united states. with the right wing on the march as evidence by the attempted coup of january 2021. and one thing that students of history know about attempted coups, is that particularly if the miscreants are not

sufficiently punished. they'll come back for another bite at the apple. and we need to understand why this is happening and also the global context. which was revealed in the bob woodward. bob costs the book peril, which suggested that in order to save his sinking presidency once again in january 2021. the then occupant of the white house speaking of the former guy as mr. biden refers to him. was willing to launch a military strike against china so that he could declare a state of emergency to save his presidency, of course to use a euphemism to downside would have been the extinction of humanity. but in any case i'll stop there. and turn the mic back to tony or better still a welcome your

comments and questions. thank you very much. well one thing that i will add to gerald's comments and i think is worth noting is that this ascendancy of the far right also parallels with the decline of the left and more generally with the decline of the socialist experiment. i think that there's some parallels that we could draw from that, you know, we note that london was a targeted as a you know a scapegoat during the time of slavery just as moscow was targeted during the 20th century, and and i think that

it's worth also. noton that as socialism collapsed the far right has ascended and has become more and more emboldened and this is this is important. this is this is worth taking taking note of and and analyze and in more detail, you know altheist hunting wrote quite a bit about this connection between england and the fight against slavery and i think that it would do well for us today to try to figure out some international relationships and to you know work towards how we can you know rebuild those types of connections on a global scale. one more point with regard to the international situation. as was so kindly and graciously mentioned in the introduction. i wrote a book recently on the

16th century. and part of what i try to shed light on. is why are we sitting in north america's speaking this language, england? that comes out of the fringes of western europe. and a lot of it has to do. with the religious conflict that is to say as you know in the 1530s protestant, london. london turned towards the protestant faith. and which unleashed a cycle of religious conflicts with catholic spain? what's interesting as well? is that catholic spain charged protestant london? with being a trader to the faith a traitor to the christian faith because in order to survive what london basically did was cut a deal with what was perceived as the overarching antagonist. speaking of the ottoman turks who were muslim as i suggest

throughout that 16th century book historians of the future assuming that we will escape another trump attempt to blow up the world will no doubt the taken by the parallels that unfold beginning in the 1970s. when nixon and kissinger traveled to china and work out an anti-soviet deal with beijing. and of course the return for china is massive direct foreign investment. that's now created this juggernaut. that bits fair to leave us imperialism sprawling and the dust in other words just as london was accused of betraying their christian comrades and spain in order to gain advantage leading to their virtual

takeover of north america's setting light on why we're sitting here speaking english. as opposed to not being here at all or speaking spanish. and likewise china was accused of betraying its communist comrade but so far it seems like we'll have a history repeating itself. albeit with an intermission of 500 years for jumping back to alphatheus's story. one of the things that i find really fascinating about his story, is that when he was put in prison for six months after refusing to divulge the names of civil rights congress bail fund trustees, and i know you've

written quite a bit about william patterson and the civil rights congress gerald, but after alphaeus was released after spending six months in in jail shortly thereafter the council on african affairs and the civil rights congress partner together in harlem and organized a rowley celebrate in the and celebrating and promote in the the petition the genocide petition and i think that there's another parallel that could be drawn today with this need to draw. of you know draw more attention to the ongoing assault on black lives the ongoing genocide of african-americans and other people of color that apparently the communist left were in the vanguard of at that time and and was part of the reason why they

had to be sidelined and silenced why the council on african affairs and the civil rights congress were so this is really attacked. you mind speaking on that a little bit as well. well sure. i mean i find it very heartening in fact to a sprinkle a few rays of sunshine on this event. that of late you've had numerous delegations. from the united states particularly a black americans traipsing to geneva switzerland to the united nations human rights council. that would include the family. of michael brown the swain ferguson, missouri teenager from the summer of 2014 and indeed it's not only been. traipsing to the united nations human rights council which by the way is in the process of doing its own human rights

investigation of the united states of america, which is a very significant event. but as well, you might have noticed that just a few days ago the world health organization. honor the family of henry at a lacks. now you may have seen. the tv movie starring oprah about the life of henrietta lacks this black woman who passes from the scene approximately 70 years ago. unbeknownst to her a physicians and medics at johns hopkins university hospital in baltimore. take some of her cells that they are still using. to develop various therapies for all manner of diseases and what's interesting, is that the world health organization brought attention to this. as well they brought attention to the ongoing lawsuit. that the family of henrietta

lacks is bringing against gems hopkins and other miscreants. and i dare say that this international pressure. that was exhibited a few days ago in switzerland at the headquarters of the world health organization. hit it by the physician and microbiologists we become familiar with during the course of the pandemic speaking of dr. tatros with roots and cigarette province and ethiopia because of the spotlight that he was able to shine on this crime against the black's family. it'll probably be very useful in a recovery a legal recovery. that is to say damages that the family will be able to recuperate. so once again, i think that what was lost when you had the sidelining and the marginalizing

of our most internationally minded leaders was this internationalism which as my comments of the last few moments tend to suggest? is still proceeding with fits and starts? but i think that what we really need is a more centralized body to coordinate these international efforts such as was once exhibited by the civil rights congress with which hunton was affiliated. robson was affiliated and also william patterson was affiliated. recently, i had the opportunity to go to baltimore for a conference of merchant marine veterans and they were honoring a hugh mosaic and hugh mozak

also worked with the council on african affairs and the civil rights congress. and so i mentioned that to also mention that though. it's 60 some odd years later mozak is is being recognized with a congressional gold medal as the first african-american man of caribbean descent to captain a us merchant marine ship and so though it's fits and starts and there's still the need for international pressure. there's there are some hope there is some hope there's some change is being and some prominent. examples can be pointed at of course. it wasn't neglected that mosak had close ties to the communist left and may himself had been a

a member the communist party. he makes it very clear when he was interrogated by the house on american activities committee that he wasn't afraid of the word socialism and value, you know believed strongly in african-american equality and that he saw that the communist party and communist were the strongest fighters for african-american equality. and so this was still part of a process, but i think it's heartened in that hugh mosaic is being recognized though. it's still points to this need for more pressure to be brought to bear to raise up these historical examples. that can that can lead the way to future successes and future, you know future victories for more equality and and more

pressure to bear. well, what's striking to continue with this current theme of internationalism? i took note of the fact that just recently. the authorities in new york city declared that racism represented a public health crisis. which stands to reason given not only the disproportionate impact of the pandemic on the black community communities of color. there was just a recent article in the washington post. that was trying to explain this complex question. of why so-called breakthrough infections disproportionately impact black people. that is to say those who get vaccinated but still come down with covid. and the authors who were public health specialists a speculated that it may have something to do with the stresses that they're

subjected to. because this racism is a public health crisis. which then brings me to the international sphere because to the extent that international pressure will be placed on the united states to get its domestic house in order. with regard to retreating from the more egregious and horrific aspects of white supremacy. that the most outspoken. in international forum on these prickly and fraught manners inevitably will be those that are now in the crosshairs of us imperialism speaking of for example, a cuba china venezuela iran. russia north korea, and so therein you begin to see the dialectical connection between the global.

and the domestic because to the extent that we can put pressure on us imperialism with regard to its domestic maladies to that extent. it seems to me at least. that we're trying to also push simultaneously away from war. away from aggressive wars towards peace towards dramatic cuts in the pentagon budgets, which do little more than facilitate wars of aggression. and so there is you begin to see. how there is an interlocking directorate if you like? between the struggle for peace and the struggle against racism and the struggle against white supremacy. something that the late alpheus hunting represented.

as is documented in this very worthwhile book that is now before us. well, i think not only that but when we are able to cut the war budget, we're able to expand the budget for people's needs. we're able to expand the budget for healthcare and education and infrastructure. you know, how many how many billions and billions and billions could be spent on rebuilding our schools and roads and bridges and could put people to work at living wage union jobs if it weren't spent at the trillions weren't spent on wars imperialist wars abroad that have proven to be just murderous, you know millions and

millions of people murdered. so say alphaeus i think would definitely be rally in and on the picket lines if he were with us today one of the documents that i recall looking at when researching for this book was a infinite picket that's the council on african affairs organized against the apartheid regime and stop africa and it was designed to be perpetual and eventually they had to stop but the idea was to continue to pick pick at the south african consulate in new york until they just can no longer do it and but but i think that's the type of activist that out there is hunting was he just wanted to continue to rally and pick it and organize and educate and mobilize and what's truly the

unsung valiant as his wife. the hunt and put it in her exoant biography. i think we will soon be joined by shane from left bank books any final comment gerald? well only congratulations for producing this very useful stimulating and informative book. which reminds us of fundamental lessons that some might have forgotten. but certainly these fundamental lessons stand the test of time despite the fact that sadly and tragically alphia sutton passed from the scene decades ago. thank you gerald. thank you so much for this incredible conversation. i want to thank both of you on behalf of left bank books. we do have a couple of comments

from the audience, but i want to remind the audience watching live that now is that opportunity for you to type in questions that you might have for either tony or gerald and let me start. oh, and i wanted to remind everyone that books are available for sale. i left dashbank.com. we do have a number of tony's books available on our shelves now as well as several copies of gerald's books are available for sale. most recently black liberation, which came out in march and the dawning of the apocalypse which came out in 2020. and those are listed as available for sale on our website. and joel wanted to discuss or was her responding to something you were talking about as saying

the compromise of 1954 and then sharing that people should read dubois not do what like my bad on that one black reconstruction in america alongside dr. horns the counter revolution of 1776 and it said that'll drive the mega crowd bunkers. which what doesn't these days? i really appreciated how you talked about the impact of these very important works from the 40s and how they apply to today and i'm wondering if maybe we could discuss a little bit about some of the predecessors that may have led to some of these important works and how he may have been influenced by some other very important people in the movement. that is that is my question.

you mean how alphaeus was influenced? yeah, i'm curious about like who may have helped shape him into the force that he was. well first and foremost, i would say his family his family were a family of activists. his father was one of the most well-known african-american leaders of the ymca and in south africa if i'm not mistaken and his mother was also an activist in her own right his sister eunice carter, i believe is her name became a well-known lawyer who was credited with bringing down a well-known mob figure in new york. so he actually came from a family of activists african american activist. and and so this this drive for

you know equality this drive for agency, you know, i think was you know, just part of his part of this upbring and of course like many people of color. he was very well. he was raised in atlanta as a young young boy and then eventually moved to to new york, but the reason partly the reason why his family moved was because of racist pilgrims that were, you know against his family. and so i think that that is very much a part of you know, the the background of his story the background of what led him to become an activist the reason why he became a communist i think is partly because of the people that he met while at howard university and also because of the people that he met in national -- congress which came out of a meeting that

took place at howard university. and so i think those those factors among others kind of coalesce to you know, make alphaeus hunt and the person that he became. maybe gerald has some insight into this as well. well, you mentioned the carter branch of the family his sister units carter and of course that brings to mind another branch on that tree. speaking of stephen carter the yale law professor and best-selling novelists who is still with us? and with regard to your questions shane, i think that the hunton's hunton's generation not to mention subsequent generations. were deeply influenced by the work of 1web du boys as the questioner indicated a

particularly the book black reconstruction. which deals with the post civil war era in the united states 1865 to roughly 1877? a reformatting historic graphically that era as a period of democratic promise a period of seeking to construct public education and address human needs generally not only to benefit the newly freed formally enslave but the population as a whole it was a sharp contrast for example when it was published in the 1930s to the then prevailing image of reconstruction, which is exhibited in the film the birth of a nation. coming out approximately 1915 1916 one of the biggest

hollywood blockbusters of all time directed by dw griffith which portrays reconstruction in a highly racist stereotype fashion, although it was only reflecting the sentiment of the time which existed up into the point when dubois publish black reconstruction which even today in 2021 a represents a kind of story a graphic consensus with regard to how we should interpret not only how i should interpret. well, no even in the era of anti-critical race theory legislation how school children should be taught about black reconstruction, although i'm not sure when this will be broadcast perhaps about the time it is broadcast. you won't be able to talk about black rec. the way i just did. on pain of being fired as a

teacher or fine, but as of this moment. of the du bois of what black can reconstruction a kind of consensus. and so i think that it's important to point out as well as tony did in his opening remarks. that the united states during this period had a stronger left than it does today. and i would be remiss for example if i did not mention for example, the the writer john howard lawson who some of you may know because he was a founder of the screenwriter's guild and hollywood now the writer skill. and wrote the screenplay not only to cry the beloved country the first anti-apartheid epic starting storing sidney poitier coming out approximately 70 years ago, but also action in the north atlantic and many films and i would recommend a particular. his history of the progressive

trend in english literature the hidden heritage which still might be in print in which i recommend very highly because hunting himself was an english literature professor and would have been influenced by this john howard lawson tome which is still worth reading still very informative and i would say particularly instructed to those who are still trying to trace the various strands of english literature, which is something that's appropriate to mention. to an audience and saint louis given the fact that your own jonathan franson is getting so much publicity and attention nowadays. since we are discussing a forgotten history and we are kind of as a society. well as a progressive society as

as progresses and exploring the way that history is told i'm curious because i don't have this information and i haven't been taught this are we experiencing a greater pushback against colonialism now, or was there a greater pushback at the time that these papers were written back in the 40s? well, that's a hard question to answer. i mean fortunately since 1960 in particular and certainly since 1945. you've had a an ongoing decomposition of the british empire which used to be the upper center of colonialism the empire, for example however, there are still pockets of colonialism speaking of for example, puerto rico the virgin islands and as i've suggested in

my trilogy. my precept 1776 trilogy dealing with the 16th century the 17th century and then 1776 and its fruits increasingly many progressive forces or beginning to reexamine the united states as an exemplar of settler colonialism. because after all the land on which we're now sitting a few hundred years ago was occupied and inhabited by indigenous people. as a proud saint louisan, i am well aware. of the history of the cahokia mountains back the last time i was in that area across the mississippi river to visit some of those mounds and to sort of commune in a sense with the indigenous populations that were wiped out in the process.

of constructing this new republic and if not wiped out certainly seriously weakened. and so given the thrust of your question, i would say that this awakening of an analysis on settler colonialism attempts to suggest that we're reaching a higher stage of understanding with regard to colonialism even though of course as noted the former colonial empires. fortunately have mostly bitten the dust. all right, gerald do you have i think we have time for one last question. do you have another question for tony that or another topic of discussion? what's up bob with your future projects? yeah. well, we've all paid attention to your ability to breed prolific.

and so i assume that there are other works that we look forward to examining. well what i would really like to be able to do is visit the schaumburg in new york, and i would like to start a project on the selected correspondences of alphaeus hunton as as you well know alphaeus corresponded with many of the leaders of national liberation movements throughout africa and other parts of the world as a leader of the council and african affairs as well as with many of the leaders of the progressive black, you know movements of the time and i would like to gain access to many to those letters and correspondences and try to publish a collection of atheist's correspondences in and hopefully find a publisher for

that project. that's that's one project can continue with this theme. of my interest on on alphaeus and so that that would really be an exciting project to take on as soon as the as soon as i can make my way to new york another project that it's been in the works for the past couple of years continues down this theme of building a red black alliance and also challenge in this narrative of the demise of the communist party post 1956. and this project deals primarily with the reprint in edit in and we print and of communist party usa pamphlets from 1945 to 1975. that deals specifically with the question the the what was called the -- question african-american equality and black liberation.

and so i want to kind of see how that question evolved from 1945 to 1975 and republished. a pamphlets and articles and essays by prominent african-american and and some white communist during that time. i'm thinking of course of people like henry winston claude leifa claudia jones, but also herbert aptecher wrote quite a bit on this question as well. and i think he should be included in a volume like this. and so thelma dale other lesser known communist, but i think this this type of volume would connect the work of organizations like the council on african affairs the civil rights congress as well as the work of organizations like the national -- labor council, which had a very interesting but short life as well as the short life

of the sojourners for truth and justice so i i think those two projects are the two two things that really interest me and are the top priorities right now. so this correspondence and collected correspondence of atheist hunting and this edited in of pamphlets from 1945 to 1975. well, i want to thank you both. we have reached our hour and i want to thank our audience for joining us this evening. make sure that you know that we have both of these fantastic authors books available for sale. i left dashbank.com. you can find a variety and selection of both their books on our shelves and we are thankful that you were able to join us this evening. thangood afternoon, and welcomeo

this session of the washington history seminar historical perspectives on international and national affairs. this afternoon or this evening for those of us who in europe will fit will feature discussion after gary gerson's book the rice and fall of the neoliberal order america the world in the free market era with the author and with commentator dr. elizabeth cohen and christina nash or a warm. welcome to the three of you to