governor christie nome i'm going to rip the band-aid off and get right to some of the topics. you may not want to discuss or may not want to discuss all the time. and then we're gonna get right into not my first rodeo lessons from the heartland. heartland. you're brand new book. have you ever thought generally speaking about running for president? well people ask me about it quite a bit. so then of course you you have to but i'm really focused on staying in south dakota. i'm running for reelection this

year. hope that people of our state trust me to serve them another four years and and that's really >> so now we will get to the hot topics and then we will getou right into not my first rodeo. have you ever thought generally be out being president? >> people asked me quite a bit when you have to but really i am focused on south dakota. running for reelection this year i trust me to serve then another four years and that is my goal. beyond that i know we need the leadership in this country i know a lot of people are interested in that job.or >> have you given specific not too many for president in 2024. >> no i have not. people speculate that is the

nature of politics that i specifically have not i am not convinced that has to be me in that position. host: fair enough so now to do some time travel for just a moment in the midst right now in washington and granted people look at what happens in washington and scratch their head that we are in the next of the special select committee in the house to examine january 26, 2021 on that days you watch supporters storm the capital in an effort to falsify joe biden's victory this isir the building work for number of somewhat rethinking that day watching that? >> like many people i was grieved by what i was seeing now is going on with the committees this week is discouraging an lot was hearsay and not necessarily factual and that's why y so many things going on in this country with

inflation and energy cost and impacting families across the nation i would love to see congress focus on those to focus we have an environment where they can feed their families, pursue opportunities in the future for their careers and protect their freedoms. >> n do you view president trump is the undisputed leader of the republican party and if he chooses 211 —- one in 2024 should others step aside? >> i spent a lot of time talking to people acrosste the country but i don't believe there is anybody that can defeat president trump in a primary. he is a t group of individuals that are extremely loyal. i support his policies. i think his leadership was good for the country compared to today. it's interesting how that shapes up over the next several years but if he would run he would have my support.

host: so talkingng about the republican party generally come i noticed in the aftermath of the 2020 w election nude delivered a speech in georgia and you are quite critical of how republicans in congress have operated at times. you are i critical of the inability to deliver on campaign promises. where do you think your party has fallen short? >> if you look back and what i said we have fallen short at times but i also said where we need to go and what we need to do and what is hopeful about the republican party. that is at the country is desperate for optimism. look at south dakota. basically what we did is what conservatives believe over the last several years. a very limited government role. t

we gave flexibility and they had personal responsibility now the economy is leading the nation. our children are doing better with educational outcomes virtually anywhere in the country. incomes are going up faster than anywhere else. people are thriving more than other states. leadership has tof consequences. republicans can be a party to bring hope and optimism and that's atn the people need to be reminded of. it is a very special country. it is discouraging but i prefer we talk about what our founders gave us in the blessings we have. host: when you served in congress if memory serves you entered the brand-new republican majority with the democrats still in the white house. i want to get your insight. republicans could have a very good november this year and then next january have majorities of some sort inve house and senate w or the

ability to put bills on the floor. what is your recommendation to your fellow republicans in congress who may be in congress next year in terms of how you deliver on what they believe the american people want but how you function in a political reality where democrats are likely to have filibuster power and were president joe biden would still be in the white house with a veto pen quick. >> the reality is the senate doesn't have to talk about whatt the house is talking about. that is what is broken about washington dc. i talk about that in my book released this week called not my first rodeo. talks about dysfunction in dc. the first couple of years we had barack obama in the white house.al we learned how to get things passed.

what we wanted to do in the house did not get past but it was a check and balance. but i believe they need to do is cast a vision for where we are going not just be opposed to joe biden even though his policies are bad for the country. we also have to be pretty clear and what we are for and be ready to take action should we have the opportunity to get those bills passed into the presidents desk. host: and now my first rodeo you talk about what you are for and your experiences but do you think republicans outside of south dakota or yourself have done a good job casting a a vision for what republicans will do for new majorities in november? >> i think it depends on the republican.. and what their message is.

some are talking about what they would like to do. many want regulations off d our backs and addresst national security concerns with trade regulations off our backs. leading peace through strength. dii know the house of representatives specific has the messaging what they would do if they got the house back. governing is important in perspective. summit people had then successful when they talk about what the people at home care about seeing a new governor elected in virginia not getting diverted down topics but what people cared about with the kids and the education they were gettingng so that is a discipline i think we can all learn as public servants that even though what we think the conversation to be having is what the people want at home want us to focus on. host: let's get into your book.

if you have not written one of these before, not always as easy as it might appear so off the top not my first rodeo what is your book about? >> most would assume it is a political book voices my opinions on the political topics of the day the story of my life live so far and leadership qualities from the heartland and how w i grew up on a ranch what my dad taught me to have a strong work ethic. we don't complain about things we fix them. also in the state legislature and how my made decisions. people first heard myhi name

during covid. that was not my first rodeo or my first challenge. i had a life before that. and then to give people a better understanding to make when decisions public o office as well. host: not my first radio opens with my favorite story of those at least outside of south dakota have not heard thein story and then sitting just howst often you talk about this titled the tapes and you start the book like this i don't know why i'm doing this. he said over the cackles. i guess i will go check the cows. the tape stopped and that was the end i cannot believe what i just heard and found in what

i hold in my hands and what a gift it was suddenly i knew everything would be okay and was going to be okay. we were going to get through this m. >> talk i about the story. fill it in and why it's such a poignant moment ine your life. >> most wonder how i got involved in government and politics to begin with nobody has been that interested in government nobody ran for office and it was a very strange route for me h to take just wanting to graduate from college and go home to be in business on the farm and ranch with my dad. it wasavey a big life changer wn my dad was killed in an accident on our family operation. i was 22 at the time my older brother and sister out-of-state i quit college and come home to be general

manager and a lot of people working for me and my younger brother was in high school. but i was wishing if i can ask my dad questions. i had been working on the time trying to figure out how to keep the business together we were trying to pay the death taxes and for months i struggled and wondered if we would be okay then one day i decided i would clean out my dad's pickup which is where he ran everything out of. most without of their pickup truck and i found these little dictation tapes and when i started to play them it was my dad's voice and on these tapes were answers to all the questions i wish i had over this of romans previous. what variety of corn workedze best with soil type and what cattle bread best and did best in the climate in which

neighbors to trust. i who was good friends and what to do if we got into financial troubleod and talked about what he thought we would be when we grew up ander some of those are almost ten years old he moved them from pickup to pick up he was not a talker so it was a shock to find something like that. nobody had any idea and i was amaz the fact the answer to every question i possibly 1 could have had was on those tapes. it was like a prayer delivered and answered in at the moment i felt a peace that passes understanding and it was almost like if god cared enough to give me the answers to those questions and we would be fine and bed taken care of. host: talk about the farm. how big is it and what do farm and how long in the family?

>> it's been in the family for generations. my dad grew up on the operation. i live on the ranch when my dad purchased when i was 12 or 13 years that's l about 15 miles from the original ranch. especially end. myso s grandfather but the first piece of land not even having two dollars. he started a meek and fox farm and raised money to buy their first plot of land my dad said all the time don't sell land god is not making anymore and really the whole estate with the legacy was tied up in land you can pass to your grandchildren was more than a place to call home that where it had its roots in foundation. host: and not my first rodeo you talk about with you and your dad took a drive to what you refer to as native land

and got really excited and he said i bought it. >> that is where i live. yes. it's rare to find native groundin that has never been plowed in the same as it would have been hundreds of years ago. it's very special evening south dakota there are native flowers it only grows i native ground our state flower once you turn it will never grow again. i remember being young and my dad showing me this place of hundreds of acres that was all native and saying ior wanted to live there someday. he said i bought it is mine. and me asking him if i can live there somedayay and he said well, someday i will let you buy it from me. there was no free lunch in my

dad's world. eventually did in my husband and i i live there today. host: fascinating. who runs a farm? >> today my brothers do. when i went to congress the four siblings work together in partnership with my mom for many years but when i went to congress i would be gone a lot. obviously spending my time with other entities so my brothers bought my sister and i outen of the business operation we still w have equity in the land but they run the business and now do the farming. host: the book is not my first rodeo. noww governor christie - - governor governor noem from south dakota this is something that you embrace but i was trying to get a sense of how much this was circumstance

given your father's accident or whether this is you decided you loved enough you wanted to do before you found your current location quick. >> my dad and i were a lot of like. my brother says iff you want to know t what my dad was like spend a day with christie. so at times that was wonderful. my dream was farming and ranching the rest of my life. other times we had strong personalities we both wanted to be in charge. i don't know what that would have looked like in the future. but i do not think i could ever be happy not farming and ranching. my passion is animals. i love to be outdoors and i love the land. the fact i do what i do today is very strange and not on my radar. my plan was always to be

involved in the family business. the fact i am not t today is a very unique circumstance. host: you spend a lot of time in not my first rodeo talking about your parents. who are they and where did they come from and how didat they meet quick. >> my dad europe in the same area as my mom. my mom corrupt 20 miles away in watertown both from the northeastern corner of south dakota. dad raised in the country raising cattle. my momel was a city girl. host: what does that mean in south dakota quick. >> maybe the town was 15 or 20000 people maybe not in terms what the country thinks but she certainly was in for h and still showed cattle that doesn't quitead make her the city girl that she did not run tractors that my dad required. she says when she got married she moved out to the farm.

they only went into town on sundays and she was so lonely and immediately put in a tractorsu and did not know what to do and was out of her element. i think they met her high school friends but quickly fell in love and got married and moms whole life became her running the business with my dad. he worked so hard. she was a piece acre and kept us alive. he alwaysy came in the house and said let's go in she was shoving food in our pockets to say, if this on the way and taking care of us kids running parts run the country to support the business. host: do you know how far back your family goes in south dakota and where they came from? >> my grandfather on my mother side e his parents came from norway. my dad's grandparents had been here before they were german

but originally settled norse about 50 miles north. so we are very much tied to the land when they came and worked and earned every single thing they have today. host: you talk a lot about your siblings and not my first rodeo. what is your relationship like? what has it been like do you threaten them with tax audits if they get out of line? >> [laughter] it's funny how different we are. my sister is the oldest i tell people i may run south dakota that she runs my life. when she tells me to do something i do it. when i went to congress and got elected that was such a different thing for our family i was w leading for age groups, children's

pastor, running businesses, my kids were little and she filled in all the holes. she took over every job that i dropped she took over my kids took them to the doctor ran treats to school. her and my mom were incredibly helpful with this sudden upheaval when i decided to go do something different. my brother went to college to get a psychology degree. he was never going to come back to be a part of the business until my dad passed away. he came home to help but after couple of years decided to stay. he is the second oldest cindy then rock and when you say i didn'tos sleep very well last night i had a bunch of dreams he would say tell me all about the dreams you have and do dream analysis on me. [laughter] he is wonderful very thoughtful and a deep thinker. i am number three out of four and then my brother rob is the

baby that he is the big guy and the most wonderful father he has six children. three that he has adopted and a hard worker. he callse me almost every day to check on me to see i am doing okay. he loves the scenery and working outside and really is a man of the land. ii am probably closest right now to rob when i was farming it was cindy but we all recognize that what we had growing up in a family being so close and spending over 20 years in business together was a special way to grow up. all of the children feel like brothers and sisters because every day they were together while we ran the affirmation growing up together the same age. that doesn't happen everywhere in the country. host: know it doesn't. family businesses can be contentious doesn't go well i

have some personals, experience with that. you have an anniversary coming up for already happen depending on when people watch this. talk about how you met your k husband and how did you end up to honeymoon at dodger stadium los angeles? that is my neck of the woods. i could look at l.a. is a small town depending traffic i had to fight but that had to be a culture shock back then. >> yes. my husband went to the same high school i did he was two years older we did not date until he went to college. i was in high school and to be honest he wasas one of my brothers friends. and we started dating t and it was interesting because when we got engaged he had not left

the state of south dakota before. in fact i think maybe only minneapolis once for a twins game. a huge dodgers fan his dad was a brooklyn dodgers fee in and always watched and listened games it was a very big decision for him on where he wanted to go on to honeymoon if you could go anywhere where would you go? hedo struggled. we didn't have any money so a budget was important. finally i said listen if you could go anywhere where would you go? without even thinking he said dodger stadium. i said then let's go to dodger stadium for our honeymoon. but theyy didn't play until two weeks after we got married. then we went right back to work at the farm the next day then two weeks later we left for our honeymoon. i didnd not realize when i agreed that i was agreeing to

go to the entire series and thatt meant all batting practice as well and staying until the games were over. my husband was so enthralled with being there that he brought my dad's video camera at that time in the nineties was bright yellow and as big as a suitcase and video cameras were not allowed in dodger stadium but he snuck that in every day and try to video everything he could and then was chased by security guards and i was at there for hours and think what kind of a honeymoon is this? they were eventually taken away but weha came home with about 11 or 12 hours of videotape of just dodger stadium because he loved it so much. very interesting but very special because he was thrilled. we have been married 30 years and ten years later he did take me on a crucified did get

a different tripr ten years later. a veryns special guy he didn't necessarily sign up for this crazy life that he has hung in there and has been the support that they need to continue doing what i am doing. host: to his credit dodger stadium was one of the most beautiful stadiums in the country. he has good taste. >> it was beautiful. i just ate a lot of dodger dogs that week. host: you probably got your fill. not my first radio was a book governor noem from south dakota is the author. you decide after a while of running the farm to get involved in politics. and itil started off innocently enough because when you run a business you are attuned to taxes and business regulations

more so than if you just get a check every week. that got you involved in policy and having opinions. but then you make the leap to run for state legislature see what we thinking and how did your family react? in the grand scheme of things and in the modern era the spotlight hits their families business dealings and all sortst of things. >> after my dad passed away within one year or two i received some awards that put me on people's radar i was named outstanding young farmer within a few years after dad passed and then at that time the us senator was senator daschle the majority leader in the senate and from south dakota and at a lot of his

meetings he appointed me to a board that oversaw thery farm programs was involved in farm policy andnd people asked me to consider running for the state legislature it was interesting my familyin just said that strange nobody has done that before but in our state legislature meets 40 days per year you go in january and balance the budget pass the bill and then go back home and back to your job. was in that big of a commitment outside of session and figured we would try it and if it worked then everything would be okay. i got elected and that's when allied of the pressure started to come to run for congress which i was not interested at all in people asked for two years if my husband and i would consider running for congress because we were represented by a blue dog

democrat. and then that representative decided to go afterti senator assumed. i think a lot of supporters and he was interested for me to challenge her before she decided to run for the senate after twoy years of people calling. i explain this in the book that i finally said maybe we just run and if we lose people will leave us alone and then we can quit talking about this. she was very popular at the time and did not vote for obama care or the stimulus package but she did for for nancy pelosi i spent a lot of time during my campaign talking about that and that is when things got elevated at a national level. one of the top five races in the nation, a heated campaign a very contentious.

admitted the out of my element. host: that democrat she made south dakota very competitive for democrats right before politics b is politics tipped to the right i'm not supposed to know this but i did not realize you had a relationship with senator daschle democratic majority leader of the u.s. senate. talk about that because we don't see that that often. >> tom was always very good to me. he gave me opportunities even republicans wouldn't for a democrat to be elected and even republicans you need to be a little bipartisan.

people think it is very conservative and really it is not. my last race running for governor three and a half years ago i only run by 31 —- one by three points and he was a bernie sanders supporter. it is a state that can go back and forth and tom was the majority leader. and i tried to show up and be a part of the solution he had a leadership camp every year he would host for new leaders and he did invite me to that one year and i went it was in the black hills and he brought in speakers and we would talk about policy. iic never once considered becoming a democrat i that for

years even after and those who questioned if i was truly a republican just because i attended that leadership camp he hosted. iiv was surprised how he felt that tainted my credentials to even spend time with democrats. >> that politics is something i do know if the phrases fell in love with but steeped necessarilyy i feel like you dove right in and found your calling. and how it is felt of that professional satisfaction.

>> what has been would tell you iss —- abscesses with whatever i do. i do 110 percent. even working at the farm i was having 20 hour days. the kids were with me in the tractors always adding more things to be accomplished every day i had a grandma that told me when i was having my first daughter i needed to say yes and the world is filled with people who say no to many times i should say yes as a mom and as a person. going 100 miles per hour with politics they do that with everything. that was not very smart because my momh came to me

after i had stopped for three days she said they don't including is for you it is supposed to be relaxing but i could not stop until it was done. that is my personality. i definitely recognize i want to be gone from my commitments at the businesses and i want to make a difference and the person in the room making the decisions and then i want people to say she lived a life of significance. host: so that obsessive net once more context to the story in not my first rodeo soon after you first arrived in the state legislature with the issue of abortion that is timely right now.

and then to propose legislation, pro-life legislation i to curtail abortion rights or how you describe it but other republicans others said it was bad strategy you eat one —- immediately e-mailed constituents and it made its way into a t blog. it was a topic of conversation in your state. the article made me sound arrogant and naïve and i was. that sent the message i could not be trusted if i disagree i would attack them with e-mails to constituents. talk about and then where you

are principles and how as the chief executive. >> i was brand-new to the legislature and wanted to do something impactful with our ballot initiative completely banning abortions in the state it went t to the public and failed. went immediately bring another bill forward that would have the debate in the legislature. i remember having a meeting with those who cared about this issue and being shocked the states president of right to life where's against bringing a bill. man from my ownha district. so that tells you how small south dakota is but i was so surprised and immediately

after the meeting people said they had to talk to him and that made it into the public news stories. i knew how bad i sounded like a know it all i did not go to him orr discuss it i decided to e-mail people back, who had no context of what was said or the strategy it was a teachable moment for me i did not want to be the person who ambushed others in policy and i recognize trust is where you create an environment rebuild a team you know that you trust somebody or you don't like a bank account how you treat them and talk to them and how dependable you are and look at the consequences to make sure

it was the right thing to do. i appreciated thatgr teaching lesson. it was miserable because i was brand-new and everybody avoided me after that everybody talked about me. i felt like i had gotten off onon the wrong foot and that's when the majority leader invited me out to dinner that night and tells everybody the reason he did that he went to other members and people worked in the legislature and said you want to have dinner with christie and me? she doesn't have friends. [laughter] and they agreed those four men that came to dinner that night with this young mom and shared a meal and their thoughts and knowledge of the legislature are still my dearest friends today. >> one of the reasons that particular anecdote jumped out at me is we're talking the

immediate aftermath of the supreme court decision and as you are well aware that decision overturned roe vs wade overturning federal protections for abortion rights and has returned the question to the states what do abortion rights look like in south dakota in the aftermath with youns and the legislature to decide on this question? >> in 2005 south dakota passed a bill has a trigger law that of rove he weighed was overturned abortion would be illegal in the state except to save the life of the mother. that is a life - - that is a lot today. host: what does the prohibition begin in pregnancy ceand his life of the mother the

only exception? >> that is the only exception is the statute reads and no consequences against the mother to have any punishment on the doctors responsibility. for a doctor to knowingly break the law they would be prosecuted never though woman in this w situation with an unplanned pregnancy or a crisis because of the situation. host: where is south dakota law with the trigger law where does the prohibition come in? conception or six weeks or 15 weeks? >>e the first trimester when it can be detected. thatei is part of the debate the next case that comes to the supreme court is thend south dakota case.

and thenw the next case the supreme court would hear would be planned parenthood that is on informed consent now planned parenthood is asking to be dismissed because of the decision of roe vs wade. host: is this a heartbeat bill that once a a heartbeat is detected and there is a viable pregnancy that is when the prohibition kicks in? >> we had a debate this year to do a heartbeat bill put in place whether or not roe vs wade was overturned or not it was interesting because therero was division this year. and then that would undermine the caset to overturn roe vs wade.

and so my belief is that is what the believe should be when you can detect the heartbeat we know that is a human being into life and that is when the protection kicks in. host: i don't mean to belabor this but where in the first trimester is abortion still legal or when does it become ill legal? >> once the pregnancy is determined between the woman and the doctor if there is notification. abortions are illegal today except to save the life of the mother. host: response to criticism from b democrats that south dakota law does not allow exception in cases of rape or incest how do you respond? >> i think that will continue to be a debate. people here those that will

talk about that. so this tragic situation that happens to woment is horrific and i cannot imagine going through anything like that. i never believed a tragedy we know from science and technology and that this is a baby in the womb that does feel pain at a certain point and what doctors do procedures on babies in the womb they are defined as patients and have patience rights it's difficult to say it is a patient that has rights but not a human life at the same time. it an intelligent conversation on what every life is precious means that is what they will continue to debate when they

see with the law looks like from state to state. >> it is appropriate at the state level. that's what the constitution defines the responsibility of the state so i'm thankful for the decision to say this to be debated among the government close to people instead of federal level. host: in your book not my first rodeo you recount the story about the republican majority in 2010 to corral a new tea party majority it was informative but was surprised

me you would not want in agriculture bill messed with. if you talked about this but a colleague wanted to put work requirements for food stamps and the agriculture bill. you felt that may be worthy but it was a place until and worked over leadership notun to bend and get the bill through. and with policy there is a pragmatic side how you govern you can be criticized from the right. talk about what that experience was like and how it has informed your t policymaking side. >> it's good to know that food policy is a national security issue if another country grows

her food they control us we have alwayss some race days safe food policy and affordable.ed so people can go to a grocery store and afford to feed their family it is a safety net program farmers go to the bank can borrow money and put it in the dirt and then hope the sunshine's on the rainfalls and pick something to pay their bill you can make an okay living and have one bad year and lose everything. that safety net is incredibly important. a bipartisan bill changer moderate one —- dramatically after 2010 when we make these policy discussions no bill is perfectra. i wish there was you would never make everybody happy on —- everybody happy we needed enough to get it pushed to the

house will have other countries growing press and reliant on the imports and it was a very good responsible bill. theou problem was that work requirements on food stamps awould cause a lot of the democrats to bail they would not supporttl it if it was included in several other bills were coming. but instead the leadership team decided to allow amendment that eric cantor spoke to knowing it was a poison pill and did it anyway that i felt that was not what leadership was. and members that have priorities and led a lot of his team down. it was a battle at the end of the day we got a farm bill

passed not being b a team has cost republicans the ability to govern and to address the challenges we have as far as debt and spending and national security issues people need to understand whether food comes from and by it's important and to challenge leaders even if the only member from my state fighting alone and nobody is with me i will stand up and push because if it is important. >> then i went and i when the discussion. host: the book is not my first rodeo. the author is governor noem from south dakota a republican. i think the reason that story

jumped out at me is looking at the tea partyn era looking at the former colleagues of yours who hadst a chance to move conservative policy forward even with barack obama in the white house even though small because there weren't too many they didn't wantdr to compromise on the principles the whole thing came crashing down if that would be instructive for the next majority even with joe biden in the white house, take it i felt that is what you are saying with this story in my misinterpreting quick. >> i think that's a good lesson is also incredibly important that leaders layout the full plan they may be

willing to support the bill if they knew it would be addressed and could trust it would be addressed in the future and that's where we have fallen down in the past is republicans notdo having a strategic plan so this day and agen blow each other up and vote no all day and nothing changes and i think that is unfortunate. we won't pay the price but our children and grandchildren and what we are doing today is not sustainable. the way we demonize each other is destructive to our republic. words have consequences in the division does not facilitate debate with conversation and better policy and have leaders that step forward to make that happen. >> when i first heard your

name during the coronavirus pandemic where were you and what wege were involved in when you first heard of covid-19 and realized you were dealing with the crisis? >> i i was running my state making decisions follow 2019 we were dealing with flooding we were hit that was causing a federal disaster 63 out of 66 counties i spent all of 2019 responding tour emergencies and helping towns get patched back together. a certain 2020 would be so much better and we would actually get back to normal operations. when i heard about the virus at the end of 2019 and wondered if it would really come to thes united states if it would be what they said we

got into january i set up an emergency operation center and started to prepare for it doing research and assessing supplies. we got her first case march 10h and started to work our way through what the state governmentda could do to facilitate to keep people healthy but also flexibility to get through together. most of january and february with legislators as well to bring people to the table to figure out how to care for people. host: what we are thoughts of president trump when he recommended to the country a two-week shutdown to slow the spread. what were your initial thoughts? >> i i thought for our state we would try to do that.

i recommended people do that. i did not mandate but the health experts were telling us we could have 300,000 people in our state die from the virus. this is what we were hearing and president trump was asking us to do and encourage them. most of the people listened they went out for essentials and did but they had to do most of the time they tried to not gather or do things and it went to overwhelm the hospital system. beyond that always a discussion how long is the sustainable and what my recommendations would be would be in reality how long can they continue to have this kind of action and conduct? and then to go back to normal and to modify the activities

not by mandating that by recommending and encouraging people to be smart and still wash their hands and then to be on large gatherings because it was the right thing to do. host: you write a lot about the coronavirus strategy in your book not my first rodeo making the shift back to normal t flitting, did you know it was the right thing to do? with the risk to the economy and what happened in south dakota and through the states with long-term stringent lockdowns.

and obviously there was a lot of debate but in as you have wrote c about you have no regrets about the policy shift and how much angst did you have if any that it would work quick. >> we didn't talk about cases but capacity small indications of what we recommended and working with national guard in the administrators to take careha of people who should need care if they got sick so that is what kept things in perspective we knew it was a virus and people would catch it we needed to focus on those who would get sick and get healthy again.

i knew it was the right thing to do and would be highly criticized ander it did.ul not just liberals but conservatives and supporters and people that felt like they saw governors doing different things and i n should just fall in line. but i did not know how we would be impacted butut i also knew what my authority was and what it wasn't. and people in my state needed to have the ability to go forward to take care of their families the way they saw fit making the best decisions with what we could share with them. it was incredible what they were doing wonderful things to take care of the vulnerable population and we knew we would get through it together. host: governor noem from south dakota is author of the book not my first rodeo. thank you for joining us.

>> i appreciated it and enjoyed visiting with you. thank you. >> let's be honest great leadership is a rare and elusive quality composed as it is in so many different attributes coming together at the same time intelligence, courage high standards and personal presence in the ability to communicate among others