there's going to be things that are messages like they don't land the way you intend them to. but it's an ongoing conversation. >> that is a lot of peace and wisdom around the relationship. i'm going to rip the band-aid off and get right to some of the topics you may not want to

discuss and then we are going to get right into not my first rodeo, your first book. have you ever thought generally speaking about running for president? >> people ask me about it quite a bit and of course you have to, but i am really focused on staying in south dakota running for reelection this year. the people of the state trust me to serve them another four years and that's really what my goal is. beyond that i know we need good leadership in this country. i'm sure there's a lot of people interested in the job. >> have you ever given specific thoughts to running for president in 2024? >> i haven't. people speculate. that's the nature of politics, but i specifically have not. i am not convinced that has to be me in that position. >> fair enough. i want to do a little time traveling for just a moment. we are in the midst right now in

washington and granted a lot of people look at what happens in washington in the effort to halt to the certification of president joe biden's victory this is a building that you worked for a number of years. what were you thinking that day as you watched that unfolded? >> i think i was grieved by whay i was seeing. i was in the committees and what we saw this week was discouraging. a lot of the testimony was hearsay, noto necessarily factual. and that's why i think there are so many thingsgs going on with inflation, energy costs, things that are impacting families across the nation that i would love to see congress focus on and do what they can to continue to make sure that we have an environment where people can feed their families, pursue opportunities in the future for

their careers and really protect their freedoms. >> do you view president trump is the undisputed leader of the republican party, and if he chooses to runt in 2024 should other republicans step aside? >> i spent a lot of time talking to people across the country and right now i don't think there's anybody that can defeat president trump in a republican primary. he's got a group of individuals that are extremely loyal to him. i've supported all his policies. i think his leadership was good for the country compared to what wet have today. it will be interesting to see how that plays out the next several years but if he were to run he would have my support. >> i want to talk about the republican party more generally. i noticed this in the immediate aftermath he delivered a speech at the committee at a meeting in georgia and you were quite critical of how republicans in

congress operated at times and you were critical of the party's inability it from your point of view at times to deliver on campaign promises. where do you think your party has fallen short. we've fallen short at times but i've also said where we need to go and what we need to do is hopeful about the republican party. when we look at the state of south dakota what we need is basically what conservatives believe in the last several years. we have a limited government role and give people flexibility to make the best decisions for their families and businesses and the economy is leading the nation. our children are doing better with educational outcomes and it's going up faster than anywhere else. people are driving more than

they are in any other states.hi as of the leadership has consequences and republicans can be a party now that brings hope, brings optimism and if that is what the people of the country need to be reminded of.sp this is a very special country. i would prefer that we talk a lot about the founders. >> you entered with a brand-new republican majority i wanted to sort of get your insight they could have a very good november this year beginning next january and the majority is of some sort in the house and in the senate and the ability to put bills on the floor and some of them through the house.

but also how you function in a political reality where the democrats are still likely to have filibuster power in the senate and block bills where president joe biden is going to be in the white house with an veto. >> the reality is the senate doesn't even necessarily have to talk about with the house is talking about. that is what is broken about washington, d.c. i talk about this in the book that just was released this week called not my first rodeo. we learn how to figure out a way to get some things past. a lot of what we wanted to do as republicans didn't get past but it was a check and balance to the system and what i believed republicans in d the house and senate need to do is cast a

vision. so manypo of the policies are bd for the country right now. i think we also have to be pretty clear on what we are for and be able to take action should we be able to get congressional bills passed and get them to the president's desk. >> in not my first rodeo lessons from the heartland, you discuss a lot about what you're for and also talk a lot about your experiences, which i want to discuss in a minute. what do you think republicans outside of south dakota other than yourself have done a good job casting a vision for what republicans world with new majorities if they win in november? >> i think it depends on the republican and what their message is. there are some that are talking about what they would like to do and many that want to get the regulations to do better trade agreements and address national security concerns and make sure we are leading the through peace and strength. those are all things they talk about.

i know the house of representatives specifically has been messaging what they would do if they were to get the house back. i think governing is important and also keeping perspectives. so many people have been successful in the past running for office when they talk about what the people at home care about.gi we saw a governor get elected by focusing on what people cared about in the communities throughout the state not getting diverted down the divisive topics but focusing on what people cared about. it is a discipline that i think we all could learn as public service. it may be the conversation to be having edits with the people at home want us to focus on.

i just wanted to ask you off the top, not my first rodeo lessons from the heartland, what is your book about? >> most people would assume it's a political book that voices the opinions of the day but it's more a story of my life so far what i've learned over the years, leadership qualities from the heartland. how i grew up on the ranch and the very big presence in my life my dad taught me by having a strong work ethic we don't complain about things we fix them. also my time in the legislature and hownd i make the decisions n my lifepl and i think a lot of people first heard my name during covid but it's important for them to know that wasn't my first rodeo or challenge i went through. he served in congress and some ilof those experiences along the way he would give people a little better understanding about how i make my decisions

when it comes to this public office that i hold today as well. >> lessons from the heartland opens with i think my favorite story of yours and they pay me to do this, but i bet a lot of people have not at least outside of south dakota haven't heard the story and i want to go to your words. it's chapter one and i thought it was fitting given how often you talk about this. i don't know why i'm doing this he said over theec tape recorde. i guess they will go check towels. the tape stopped and that was the end. i couldn't believe what i just heard and what i just found, what i held in my hands and what a gift it was. suddenly i knew everything was going to be okay. we were going to get through this. ktalk about the story, fill it n

for us and why it is such a poignant moment in your life. >> most people wonder how i got involved in politics to begin with. i don't come from a political family. i'd never been that interested in government, nobody had run for office and it was a very strange route for me to take growing up just wanting to graduate from college, go home and be in business on the farm and ranchwi with my dad. so it really was a big life changen or when my dad was killd in an accident on the family obligation and it was i was 22-years-old at the time.ta my older brother and sister were living out of state and i ended up quitting college, coming home and becoming the general manager of a large business, had a lot of people working for me and over and over again at the age of 22, i was wishing that i could askas my dad questions. we were hit with the death tax

is trying to figure out how to pay that bill. for months i wondered if we would be okay and then i decided i would finally clean out my dad's pickup which is kind of where he ran everything out of. >> what cattle did best and in our climate, what neighbors to trust, which ones were good friends, what to do if we ever got into financial trouble. even he talked about his kids and what we felt we would be when s we grow up. some of them were almost 10-years-old he moved them from

pickup to pick up over the years. my dad wasn't a talker so it was a shock. nobody had any idea he was doing something like that and i was dressed amazed at the fact the answer toad every question i cod have had was on those tapes. it was like a prayer delivered and atce that moment it was almt like i t knew if he cared enough to give me the answers to the questions, we were going to bew fine and taken care of. >> talk about the farm a littlet bit. how big is it, how long has it been in the family? >> it's been in the family for generations. my dad grew up on the obligation. my dad purchased when i was about 12 or m 13-years-old thats about 15 miles away from where the original farm is but it's very special land.

my grandfather first bought the first piece of land not having even two dollars to scrape together. he started a farm and started to raise money that we do it by the first quarter of land and so i come from a family that recognized the value of owning something. the e whole estate was tied up n the land you could pass on to your children and grandchildren so it was a special place and almost more than just a place to call home. it was a place where the family had its roots and foundation. >> in lessons from the heartland you talk about a moment you and your dad took a drive to what you refer to in the book as native land and got excited aboutug it and is that the ranc?

>> it's rare to find native ground. it's never been churned are plowed and it's the same it would have been hundreds of years s ago and it's a very special. weeven in south dakota there are native flowers, the state flower only grows on the native ground once you turn it it will never grow again and so i would always treasure the rough prairie like that and i remember being young and my dad showing me this special place of hundreds and hundreds of acres that was native and a saying i want to live there someday and dad is saying i bought it. it's mine. me asking him if i could live there someday and him i saying someday i will let you buy it from me. there was no free lunch and my dad's world. so eventually did and my husband and i still live there today. >> fascinating. one of the different things you farms commander who runs the fm outoday? would happen is when i went to

congress, my four siblings all worked together in partnership with my mom for many years but i was going to be gone a lot and obviously spending my time andt other entities. so out of the business operation we still had equity and other things, but they run the business and they do the farming. >> the book is not my first rodeo, lessons from the heartland. the author is governor christy and south dakota. a lot of people grow up in a family business and reject the family business or just not want to go into the same line of work as their parents did. this is something that you embraced and i was trying to get the sense of how much this was a matter of circumstance for you given your father's accident or whether this is something you ultimately decided that you loved enough to want to do before you found your current

vocation. >> my dad and i were a lot of dlike. they say if you want tohr know what my dad was like spend some ttime with kristi. farming and ranching was my life but other times we had a very strong personalities and we both kind of wanted to be in charge, so i don't know what that would have looked like into the future, but i didn't think that i could ever be happy not farming and ranching. my passion is animals. i love the land, i love being outdoors. the fact that i do whatat s i do today is strange. it was never on my radar. my plan was always to be involved in the family business and the fact that i amci not toy is a very unique circumstance. >> you spend a lot of time talking about your parents. who are they, where do they come from, how do they made? >> my dad grew up in the same area as my mom.

my mom grew up in watertown which is about 20 miles away so both from south dakota from the northeastern corner. my dad was raised out in the country farming. my mom was a city girl. >> it means the town was probably 15 to 20,000 people. probably not a city girl in terms of what a lot of the country thinks, but she certainly had show cattle before so i guess that still doesn't make her quite the city girl a lot of people would say, but certainly the kind of life that my dad had required when she married him. in fact she says when she got married she moved to the farm and was so lonely because it was far away from her family. they only went into town on sundays and she had no idea what to do and was out of her element. i think they met through high

school friends but quickly fell in love, got married and my 'mom's whole life became then running the business with my dad. he worked so hard all the time. she is the one who kept us alive. he was always coming in the house and a saying let's go, let's go. saying eat this on the way to the field or to haul cattle and taking care of us kids and running stuff around the country supporting the business as well. his parents came over from norway. my dad's grandparents had beener here before, but they are more german. they originally settled up north of us probably about 50 miles. at least for generations in this country, but very much tied to

the land. when they came theyne worked and earned everything they have today. >> and your siblings, you talk and write a lot about them in not my first rodeo. what was your relationship like growing up and what l has it ben like as governor if they ever got out of line you threatened them with tax audits? >> it's funny how different we all are. my sister is the oldest and i tell people all the time i may run south dakota but she still runs my life. when cindy tells me to do something, i do it and she's the one who when i went to congress and got elected, that was a different thing for the family. i was leaving for age groups. and my mom were incredibly

helpful when i decided for the first time out of all of us to go do something different. my brother went to get a psychology degree. he was never going to come back be part of the business until my dad passed away. didn't want to be part of the business but after a couple of years decided to stay. so he is the one who is the second oldest, then rock, the one when you say i didn't sleep very well last night i had a bunch of dreams that kept me awake he would say tell me all about the dreams you had and do an analysiswo on me. but he is wonderful and a very deep thinker and thoughtful. i'm the third out of four and then my brother is the baby of the family but he is the big

guy. he calls me every day to check on me and make sure i'm doing okay. i probably am closest right now to rob. when i was farming it was cindy but we all recognized what we had a growing up in our family and being so close into spending over 20 years being in business together was a reallyy special way o to grow up. all of our children feel like they are brothers and sisters because every day they were together while we were running the operation. it doesn't always go well and i have personal experience with that. you have an anniversary that's coming up or already happened dependingg on people watching this.

tell me how you met your husband and how did you end up, and i think people find this interesting how did you end up honeymooning at the dodgers stadium in los angeles? that's my neck of thet woods, o i can almost look at la like sort of a small town depending on how much traffic i have to fight to get anywhere but that had a too b cultural shock for you back then but talk about that. >> my husband went to the same high school. we did and started dating until he went to college. to be honest with you, he was one of my brothers friends. we started dating and it was interesting because' when we got engaged, he hadn't left the state of south dakota before. in fact he had only gone to minneapolis once but he was a huge a dodgers fan. his dad was a brooklyn dodgers

fan. it was a decision for him one where he wanted to go with of the honeymoon. if you could go anywhere where would you gost and he struggled with that. we didn't have any money so doing things on a budget was important and we were trying to figure out what to do. he was struggling so much i said listen if you could go anywhere in the world, where would you go and without thinking he said the dodger stadium. let's go to dodger stadium for our honeymoon. the problem was they didn't play until two weeks after we got married so we got married then went right back to work at the farm the next day and two weeks later left for our honeymoon and i did not realize i was agreeing to go to the entire series and that meant all of batting practice as well and staying until the games were over.

of this is back in the '90s, bright yellow, as big as a suitcase. video cameras were not allowed in dodger stadium. he snuck it in every day. he went around and tried to video everything he could and was chased by a security guard and i would sit there for hours and think what kind of a honeymoon as this. they were eventually taken awayh from him. i think we came away with about 11 or 12 hours of videotape of just dodger stadium because he loved it so much. so that was an interesting honeymoon but very special because he was thrilled to be there. we've been married for 30 years now and eventually about ten years later he did take me on a cruise, so i did get a different kind of trip about ten years later. very special guy. i think that he married me i was going to be a farmer.

so he didn't necessarily sign up for this crazy life we live, but he has hung in there and really has been the support that i need to continue doing what i'm doing. >> it's one of the beautiful baseball stadiums of the country, so he has good taste. >> it was beautiful. i had a lot of dodger dogs thatt week. >> you probably got your fill. not my first rodeo lessons of the heartland, governor kristi of south dakota is the author. let's talk about your first rodeo. you decide after a while of running the farm to get involved in politics and it sort of started out innocently enough because whenever you run a business you are very attuned to government regulations and taxes. more so than if you are just getting a check every week and that sort of got you involved in policy and having opinions on that. but you make the lead to run for the legislature what were you

thinking at the time and how did your family react? because this isn't in the grand scheme of things that long ago and in the modern era when somebody runs for congress, the spotlight hits their family, the family business dealings and all sorts of things it's not just the candidate. >> i would say after my dad passed away within a year or two iaw had received some awards tht kind of put me on people's radar. south dakota's outstanding leader and at the time the u.s. senator was tom daschle. h he was the majority leader in the senate it was from south dakota and i was at a lot of his meetings. he ended up appointing me to a board that oversaw all the programs in the state so i was involved in policy and are showing up with different people. people started to ask me to consider running for the state

legislature. it was interesting because asking my family they just felt that strange. nobody has done that before. but in our state of the legislature meets for 40 days of the year. did you go in in january, balance the budget, pass bills and go back home and back to your jobs. it wasn't that big of a commitment outside of the session and we figured we would try it and if it worked, everything would be okay. i did that, got elected and ran for leadership right away and served as the majority leader in the house but that's when a lot of the pressure started t to coe to run for congress, which i wasn't't interested in doing at all. in fact people asked for two years of my husband and i would consider running for congresse because we were represented in the u.s. house by a blue dog democrat and of course i was aan republican and people wanted me to challenge that representative before she decided to go after john thune who was our u.s.

senator. so i think a lot of john thune supporters and he himself were interested in me challenging her and beating her before she decided to run for the senate and eventually after two years of people calling and talking, and i explained a lot of this in they book as well, i finally sad to my husband maybe we just run and if we lose, people will leave us alone and we can quit talking about this. she was very popular at the time and hadn't voted for obamacare or the stimulus package. but she had voted for nancy pelosi and i spent a lot of my time during the campaign talking about that. that is when things got elevated to more of a national level because it was a heated campaign, one of the top five races at the time and very contentious. i would say admittedly i was out of my element and it was a very interesting, difficult campaign for me. ..

i am supposed to know this stuff. i did not realize you had a relationship of sorts with tom, former senator from south dakota, democratic majority leader in the senate. joyce, talk about that. see that's what we think that often. >> the talk good to me. in fact to give the opportunities i would say republicans wouldn't give me opportunities to be. and south dakota for a democrat to be elected, even for republicans you need to be a little bipartisan and work tope get south dakota is very populous. people think it's a very conservative it's real it's not. in fact my last race when iran for governor just three nap years ago i only won by three

points.y against a guy with a pretty a standard supporter. amidst fair treatment state that can go back and forth. tom wasas the majority leader, very influential. i cared about reform. i was somebody who did not complain about things but they tried to show up and be a part of the solution. think he appreciated that. he had a leadership camp every year that he would host four. it is in the state had potential to serve it. and he did one year. and i went. it was in the black kilts bro weekend. he brought in speakers and we spent time together talking about policy and what it's like to run for office. it was interesting to me because i never once considered becoming a democrat. i i think maybe he hooked up to it. but boy, pretty perceptive that even when it ran for congress

that had a lot of applicants who questioned about was truly a republican just because i had that leadership camp that tom -- had hosted. i was surprised how they felt that tainted my credentials to even be a republican outgoing time with democrats but. >> it struck me in reading, not my first rodeo, that politics is something you really, the phrase fell in love c with. but for somebody is not steep didn't necessarily think later, i feel acute dove right in. and in a sense found your calling. talk about doing this for a living the past few years.te when how it has felt in terms of the professional satisfaction you've gotten from the work. >> well, my husband would tell you i'm kind of obsessive with everything i d do. whatever i do i do 110% per even put i worked at the farm, i was

putting 20 orin date the kids in the tractors. we were these adding more and more things we needed to get accomplished every day. i had a grandma that told me when is having my first daughter, i needed to say yes to things. the people are filled with the work does know i'm busy know i ,can't do that and i should be a mom who said yes and i should be a person who said yes. i took that to heart. i would think that while i dove in headfirst "one third miles an hour in politics and can it did that with everything. a couple of stories in the book about how he decided one time to take up lilting. that was not very smart because my mom will think it will take is for you is supposed to be relaxing. you're supposed to sleep. i mean i cannot stop until i got

the project done.og that is a little bit of my personality. i definitely recognize that to be gone for my family, i'm going to be gone for my commitment to businesses that i want to make it different. mike is the leadership. the person in the room making the decisions. that's kind of the approach i have always had. when i am god and someday i want people to say she lived the life of significance. >> that obsessive this you described meant a lot more context with the story you talk about not my about soon after you first spoke up by the state legislature. it was about the issue of abortion which was very timely right now. i want to read from this from your book.

you immediately rectify mr. mystery, governor, immediately propose legislation pro life decision to curtail abortion rights or however you would like to describe it.o some other republicans i would sleep pro lifee republicans in the legislature told her it was bad strategy. they were not pleased with it you immediately e-mailed your constituents back on that e-mail. it made its way into a blog. and it became much topic of conversation in your state. right aboutt the articles that were written. the article made me sound arrogant and naïve and frankly i was. i'd sent the message to robert that i could not be trusted but i disagree or someone i would. talk to me of how it that it's how you developed or governing styles even on issues you are truly passionate where you are very principled.

and how that approach is how you governed as a chief executive. that situation, you know i was rendered to the legislature. w to do something impactful. we had to set up a ballot initiative that would've completely banned abortions in the states. it contradict public and it had failed. i wanted to immediately bring the board that would have thee debate in the legislature. i remember having a meeting with those who cared about this issue and being shockedng the state president of life was against f bringing a bill. it was a man for my own district. he was also my husbands cousins. immediately after the meeting of the people back home and set th need to to call him and talk to him pick that made it into the public news stories.

and i just realized immediately how bad i sounded, likecu a know it all i did not even go to him and discuss it with him. instead i decided to start e-mailing people back home who did not have a context of what was said in that meeting are the strategy behind it. it's a very teachable moment for me. i did not want to be the kind of person who ambushed others in policy. and i recognize trust is something you create anen environment where you build a team. it's not right to trust somebody orct don't it's almost like a bk account. you do different actions that you treat people, how you talk to them, and how dependable you are is building trust day after day after day. one of my colleagues to know i was someone who is reasonable, look at smart and could the consequence of everything we did make sure it was the right thing toat do. so i appreciate that teaching lesson. it was pretty miserable because i was k brand-new. and everybody avoided me after that everyone was talking about

me and i felt like i'd really got off on the wrong foot that is inr the majority leader literally came to me invited me out to dinner that night. he tells everybody the reason he did that it's the other members people that worked in the legislature that hate you want to go have dinner she doesn't have any friends. [laughter] they agreed at those four men that came to that dinner that night with this young mom and shared a meal and also their thoughts and knowledge about the legislature are still my dearest friends today for. >> i think one of the reasons that particular anecdote from not my first rodeo lessons from the heartland jumped out at me as were talking in the immediate aftermath of the supreme court decision jackson's women health center. and as you are well aware of the

countries well away that overturned roena versus wade and eliminated federal protections for abortion rights and has returned that question to the states. what to abortion rights look like in south dakota in the aftermath of view and the legislature now having the ability to decide on this question? >> in 2005 south dakota passed a bill that put in place would trigger a loss ite if roe was ever return abortion will be illegal in the state except to save the life of a mother. so that is the law today. x excuse me or does the prohibition begin in pregnancy? is the life of the mother the only exception question. >> the life of the mother is the only exception today as the statute reads. sent any consequences against the mother or it would at any

kind of punishment would be on the doctor's responsibility for a doctor who would knowingly break the law they are the ones who beat prosecuted. never atla the women involved in the situation. with an unplanned pregnancy or crisis they feel they may be facing because of the situation. cooks were to south? dakota law in this trigger law -- mccord is the prohibition come in at conception? fifteen week's question merck 16 makes question. >> yes it's in the first trimester. it is when that pregnancy can be detected. that is part of the debate. if you remember the next case that would come before the supreme court is south dakota case. we had been watching the dobbs case in south dakota, t recognizing could overturn roe. we believed if it did the next case the supreme court would hear will be planned parenthood and it is a decision on informed consent gates that now i believe

that planned parenthood is seen to be dismissed because of the t decision we have seen come downa on a roe v wade. >> this essentially a part b. once the heartbeat has been detected and there is a viable pregnancy that is on the prohibition kicks in? >> we actually had a debate this year unto a heartbeat built much like texas that would've put it in place whether not roe was overturned or not.s it was interesting me too make us with some division among republicans this year among that. many republicans in the legislature did not want to bring a heartbeat built the fed would jeopardize our supreme court case. they did not want plant parent and plant parent tried to pull of the essay to undermine the case we have that may overturn roe. i want to f introduce the bill comp product port in the legislature and they refused to accept it. my belief is that is what the debate should be is around when you can detect that heartbeat.

that is we know a human being and a life it. and that is on the protection would kick in for. >> governor do not mean to belabor this. can you help define for me a little bit better where in the first trimester is abortionbe still legal and at one point in that first trimester does it become a legal question or. >> it is when the pregnancy is determined between the woman and the doctor. when there is notification there. so abortions are illegal as of today except to save the life or the mother. >> in response to criticism often from democrats but not only democrats south dakota law does not allow i exceptions in cases of rape and incest, how do you respond to that? >> think that will continue to be a debate. i think they're people here in south dakota continuing to talk about that. for me personally, it is a difficult conversation. i know this tragic situation

that happens to women is horrific. and i cannot even imagine. i have never had to go through anything like that. i just never believed a tragedy should be followed up by another tragedy. we know from science and technology overs the years the last ten -- 15 years this is a life. this is a baby in the womb. it doesn't feel pain at a certain point. we also know when doctors do procedures on these babies in the womb they are defined as patients. they have patients rights it's hard to say this is a patient that has rights and not save the human life at the same time. so an intelligent conversation s on whatever he whole life is precious and means is i think something the public will continue to debate when they suit these laws look like from state to state. >> would you like to see congress where you once servedd passed legislation banning abortion nationally? >> of the goods appropriate right now the discussion happens at the stat' level.

that is really with the constitution defines as a responsibility of the states. i am thankful for the supreme court that's it said this would be debated amongst the government, close to the people instead of at the federal level. >> and not my first rodeo, lessons from the heartland, you recount a story that sticks with me when i am telling the story or whatever reason about the republicans majority elected in 2010 the leadership difficulties speaker jon weiner majority leader had in corralling what was then a new tea party majority. telling theca story sometimes i think is informative for people when they are looking at in congress now and sometimes a difficulty being unified. what surprises me too some degree makes sense you would not want it g agricultural bill mesd with given how poor this is a south dakota you had a calling you talk about this did not my

first rodeo, wanted to put work requirements for food stamps into the agricultural bill and this is where the things are dealt with. why you felt this may have been worthy he referred to it as a poison pill you worked over leadership hard not to bend on this and get the agricultural bill through. that struck me as conservative as youar are on policy there is this pragmatic side to how you govern. i think sometimes you have been criticized about that from the right. talk about what that experience was like and how it has informed your policymaking style? >> think it's good to understand first of all i food policies and national security issue another country grows our food for us that it's when they control us. america has always embraced a safe foods a policy and an affordable one. it is important to us that every family in this country can

afford to go to a grocery store and buy what they need to feed their families. that's one of the reasons you have a farmll bill. the safety net program for a tell people time farmers go to the bank, they borrow money and they put it in the dirt and they hope months later the rain will have bowen come the sun will have shined in they can pick up something to pay their bills you can make it okay living for 20 years you can have one bad year end lose everything. thatn safety net is incredibly important. it's always been a bipartisan bill that changed dramatically the next farm bill it happened y after 2010. when we make these policy discussions especially in washington d.c. there is no bill that is perfect ever. i wish there was but you are never going to make everybody happy. this farm belt was incredibly important we keep enough votes to push forward to keep the safety net in place so we don't have china controlling our foodt supply. having us reliant on those imports. it was a very, very good p

responsible bill for the problem auwas we knew work requirementsn food stamps was going to cause a lot of the democrats to bail. they were not going to support the bill if that was included. we have several other bills coming that could have had that debate. what have been attached to, could've been a bill on its own. but instead the leadership team decided to allow an amendment on the farm bill that mayor cantor spoke to knowing it was a poison bill and killed the farm bill and did it anyway. which i felt was not what leadership was. leadership is recognizing you represent a caucus and members that have priorities. and you lead that team. by doing that he let a lot of his team down and i let him know. it was a bit of a battle. rotate the end of the day we got a farm bill passed. but not being a team in a important times on important policy has cost republicans the ability to govern the ability to

address the big challenges wend have this country as far as debt and spending and even national security t issues. i talk about that expense quite a bit because i think people need to understand where their food comes from. why it's important we have farmers here in this country but also when it i will challenge leaders. even if i'm the only member of the house for my state fighting alone and no one is with me. but i will stand up and pushed because if it is important and if it matters that it is worth it. correct i win big. >> the book gets lessons from the heartland. excuse me the book is not my first rodeo lessons from the heartland revenue is going to the adventure but the authors governor christie nomo southth dakota republican, governor i think the reason that story jumped out at me it's because in looking at the tea party era i believe i've talked to other republicans about this former colleagues of yours that felt

they had a chance even with barack obama in the white house to move conservative policy forward, however slowly. however sometimes frustratingly small. but because they were too many in the w group that wanted moren the did not want to compromise on what they felt were principals, the whole thing came crashing down. i'm wondering if that be instructive for the next republican majority if you can get some movement even with joe biden in the whites house, take it. that is what a sort of felt like you were saying with the story and not my first rodeo. am i misinterpreting what you're talking about? >> no, i think that's a very good lesson to have. it's also incredibly important that leaders lay out the full plan. that members have a confidence of where you're going as a whelp or they might be willing to support a bill that did not have everything in it if they knew it would be addressed and could trust it would be addressed in tthe future. and i think that is where we have found out in the past as

republicans. not having a strategic plan showing people where we are going to make a difference in the future. in this day and age what gives people results is a blow which other up, but no all day and nothing changes. that is unfortunate it's not us still pay the price for that dramatically, it will be our children and our grandchildren. what we're doing today in this country is not sustainable, it just is not by the way we demonize each other and talk about each other is destructive to our republic. words have consequences. the division we have does not facilitate debate and conversation and better policy. we've got to have leaders at step forward and help make that happen so we end up in a place where we still have a country that are founders envisioned. >> think of a lot of americans outside of south dakota first heard your name during the coronavirus pandemic. where were you and what were you involved in the first heard of covid-19 and realize you are

doing with the crisis? >> well, i was running my state in making decisions. all of 2019 with flooding in south dakota. would bring out the bomb cyclone that caused a federal disaster 63 of my 66 counties. i spent all of 2019 responding to emergencies. helping families, businesses and towns get patch back. facilitating fema assistance. i was certain 2020 be so much better and we would actually get back to normal government operations. when i started here about this virus at the end of 2019 i wondered if you'd come to the united states but would it be with edward stang is going to be? with january 7 urgency operation center, started to prepare for doing research assessing what we have for supplies and we could do to address it. but that at first, march 10.

and started to work our way through it really state government could do to help facilitate them flexibility to get through it together. we were in the legislative session most of january and february. bill and legislatures obsess about people for the table to figure out how to care for. >> up your thought is at the very beginning of the bitmap announced recommended to the country eight to be shut down. think the message was to ask to slow the spread for our state that would do that. i recommended people do that. not mandated but the health experts were telling us we could have about 3000 people hundred state by this virus. and so i held press conferences, told them this is what we were

hearing. this is what president trump was asking us to do and encourage them to do so. i think most the people in the state listen too. they went out for essentials and did whated they needed to do. went to work but most of the time and try to not gather and i do think that would happen and they did not want to overwhelm the hospital systems. but be on that for me always the discussion was how long it sustainable? what my recommendations for people was in reality how long they continued at this kind of action and conduct exist? how are we going to keep our kids educated in our businesses open? april we announced were going to normal.to we kind of modified our activities in the state not by mandating that by recommending. we were encouraging people to be smart to wash their hands and

socially distant when possible. not to be in large gatherings but were going to go back to normal because it was the right thing to do. >> you write a lot about coronavirus strategy and not mye first rodeo, lessons from the heartland. when you decided to make that shift back to normal footing, did you know it was the right thing to do? with this simply a matter of balancing risks to the economy in addition human health risks? and how it sure were you is going to turn out okay? i think int retrospect we can look at what happened in south dakota and some of the states that had more long term stringent lockdowns in say to south dakota did okay. there's obviously a lot of debate around that. obviously as you've spoken about this over the past couple years and you writere about it not my first rodeo you have no regrets

about the policy shift. but at the time you made the shift how much angst did you have about if any? and did you know for fact it was going to work? >> we never in south dakota talked about cases that much. what we focused on was hospital fcapacity. all indications of what we recommended was focused on that preparing surge hospitals and working with her national guard and with our administrators to make sure we could take care of people who need care if they got sick. that was really what cap things in perspective for us. we knew it was a virus, we knew people would catch it. we needed toho really focus on those who would get sickug whate could do to help them get through it and get healthy again. i knew it was the right thing to do at the time. i also knew it was going get highly criticized and it did. not just liberals but conservatives and people who

felt like they saw other governors doing different things and i should fall in line. i did not know how we would be impacted. i knew what my authority was in what it wasn't. and people in my state needed to have the ability to go forward and take care of their families the way they saw i fit. making the best decisions with the information we could share with them. it was incredible south dakota wasrf doing. they were doing a wonderful things to take care of the vulnerable population. and we knew we'd get through it together per. >> governor of south dakota is the author of the book not my first rodeo, lessons from the heart band. governor thank you soo much for joining us for. >> think you appreciated enjoyed visiting with you. ♪ at least six presidents recorded conversations while in office.

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