>> middle and high school students, it's your time to shine. you're invited to participate in this year's documentary competition. in light of the midterm elections picture yourself as a newly elected member of congress. we asked this year's competitors what is your top priority and why? make a 5 to 6 minute video that shows the importance of your issues from opposing and supporting parts perspectives. don't be afraid to take risks wi your documentary, be bold among $1000 in cash prizes is a $5000 grand prize . videos must be submitted by january 20 2023. visit our website at studentcams.org for a step-by-step guide. >> good evening everybody. my name is ian anderson, executive director of parents circle, a nonprofit programming arm of karas books, it's an independent

bookstore. we are delighted to be here with all of you tonight wherever you're watching from we know we have a lot of atlanta folks in the house. it's kind of old home week because they've been a friend tokaras for decades . across many genres we are really honored to get to celebrate this book. tonight's event is t, cosponsored by the feminist women's health service and in a moment iwill introduce and k anderson who is the director of development and can indications with the women'shealth center to tell youabout their work . first i want to introduce dan newkirk . we're having a bit of tech issues with dan . we'regoing to keep working on that . but dan, he's a senior editor at the atlantic and host and cocreator of the peabody award-winning line, a podcast about hurricane katrina and

itsaftermath . voting rights, democracy and a environmental justice with a focus on how race and class shape the countries and the world's fundamental structure. dan is a 2022 andrew carnegie fellow, more than 2020 james airport finalist and 20 2011 our fellow at new america the 2018 recipients of the american society of magazine editors next award. we're going to welcome in back up here in just a moment but first i'm going to welcome linda delarosa who is a journalist and professor at the city university of new york and a contributing writer at the new york times magazine . where she covers the intersection of race and health . she has also served as executive editor at essence and as a science editor at the new york times.on infant mortality is a finalist for the national magazine award and a contributor to the 1619

project t. so welcome, we are really glad to have you here. going to bring dan back in and while doing that i want to turn it over to mcanderson . she is the director of communication at the women's health center. the feminist women's health center is a reproductive health rights and justice organization. it provides direct services including abortion care and provides education advocacy and leadership development opportunities. they also build movements with people across all acts of oppression so we have the right resources and respect to make informed decisions about our own bodies and our health. you can learn more about their work and i'll put that in the chat. welcome and k anderson to tell us a little bit about the wellness center and what's going on there right now and thank you so much for cohosting this event. >> we are happy to be here.

it's an incredible resource in the community and i think it highlights a sulot of the issues feminist americans try to confront and provide and care for people but the women's health center is a reproductive health care provider. we provide outreach and of advocacy so we have a lot of opportunities for folks to get involved especially now with what's happening with the big potus abortion case looming. so far our clip clinical services we provide abortion care to the legal limit which is 20 weeks in georgia right now. we also provide a lot of wellness services your annual exams, we also have a transit health initiative as well that provides therapy and treatment for wellness care. so on the educational front we do a lot of outreach with sex and especially among

bipoc communities. this trains health promoters tin the latino humidity to reach out and kind of talk about topics that are often taboo in the latino community. we also have a black women's wellness project of course which is led by a black organizer here and introduces , educates the community on wellness. and we have an id program so we have a full-time lobbyist fighting down at the state capital to prevent even more bands from coming through. and often restricting our freedoms generally. folks who are trying to push abortion bands but also folks who are trying to criminalize being trans people . so we're down at the capital every day, trying to make

sure that our voices heard. so if you're interested in those services and want to learn more i'm going to register you for our newsletter. we got a newsletter coming out if you're interested in and you want to get involved with the center sign up for our newsletter and you can find out more information there . >> thank you and it's wonderful to have you and i'm so grateful for all of you . >> while we're working on getting back up why don't you begin by just telling us a little bit about how this book came about first of all i wish we were in person but i'm so honored to be here with everyone. atlanta is really important to me. it was one of the first bookstores i ever had an event at when i had my first

book. and i wrote the book in atlanta. much of it, working with what was then that national reclamation project at the little house which i now love and other wonderful rj organizations are located. i started the book and i got the book deal with doubleday in 2018 but i was so resistant to writing a book at all and my editor who writes on my magazine pieces, my editor would always help me and then i would push back a little bit and say save it for the book. and i'd say there's no book, i'm not writing a book and he said you should write a book because you have so much stuff. you were cutting so much you should write a book. so my piece on maternal infant mortality came out in 2018. and my friend andrea bernstein came over and said

you need to write a book and i said i'm not writing a book, i don't even have an agent . i said i'm going to o introduce you to my agent, ialready did . i have a meeting with the agent and said i don't want to write a book. she said you're here at the literary agency, you're going to write a book. i was very reluctant but then i also realize it was important for me to kind of synthesize the ideas that i have been writing about with the new york times magazine but also before thatessence . and that really gives people who are hungry for the information to have it. so that's kind of how it got started. >> good to see you. you know, my internet is expiring so i'm happy to be here and happy to celebrate your book . >> i'm so happy to be in deep conversation with you.

>> so my first question, i have another question for you . that is you have this career. you've been fighting about these issues in healthcare and environment and just how these conditions of black full or of people who are on the margins. but this book is not just about the information you s compiled. can you tell us about how the changed and why? >> i think i am from this family of strikers and believing in uplift. my grandparents came from mississippi to chicago during the great migration and then my parents said i don't want to be in chicago anymore. i want to take my girl to the

suburbs where we can have a better life and we can work hard, get our education and we were that kind of family. that was how i was raised. each one teach one, list as you climb and i guess bootstrappers kind of, black bootstrappers. booker t.washington . and when i got to essence magazine in the late 80s i quit writing because that's how i was thinking there. it was a little bit more political than that but it really was about we have this audience of black women . we unhave a deep reach of black women in the united states e and now we have a chance to change, make the race better, uplift the race and for me it was about health. i knew about racial health disparities, racial health disparities have existed since they've been on these shores in america. and i thought if people know

better, they'll do better. but it took me a minute to realize even when people do better and do everything right and do their best, then there still are these health disparities and poor health outcomes still exist and it happened in my family of strivers and it happened in some ways to me with my own birth and i see it in my friends and i really see it now that i've sort of opened the lid on it and started talkingabout it and now i hear every kind of story . this kind of storytelling experience is important coupled with the kind of evidence-based research that i also do and love. >> owing back to my own reasons for the book i'm always taken with this term health disparity. kind of just setting aside the packages, what is this difference in the way people

are talking about on both instances. in birth and early death. a significant difference in how people live and die. can you tell us more about what are the things that are going into this thing we call health disparities and these gaps that kind of get sanitized in the language? >> i'm really glad you asked that as i pushed right through it.thank you for allowing me to e slow down a little bit and think about that a little bit. i think the big idea the book is america has arguably the best healthcare in the world and we spend so much money on healthcare. we also have good clinical healthcare. we have good foundations, good technology. yet we have poor health

outcomes in relation to other wealthy countries in the world and it starts at infant mortality and maternal mortality and it ends with life expectancy but it's always treated as a mystery, what's going on in the united states where when you look at the inequality of our healthcare system and you drill down into race , it starts at birth. racial health disparities and it ends with death looking at life expectancy. b so a black babies where one, i think it's nearly twice, almost 2 times the level of infant mortality black women are 3 to 4 times more likely to pass away during pregnancy in childbirth and then we also have a lot of more near misses.

and then expectancy is different for black people and it used to be when i first started writing this book the life expectancy gap was 3.5 years . so black folks with 3.5 years less but after covid it stretched to six years but my mother is from the inglewood section of chicago. people live to age 60 nine miles north people live to age 90 and it's the largest moment the black community, that's where it used to be the promised land of people coming up that way and so why would there be , why would people be living only to age 60 and why would there be a 30 year gap with women from nine miles. a black committee versus a whitecommunity . sort of like wow. i just have to say wow. >> so you talk about three or

four views in the book but for that you don't agree with . to explain, one is people are somehow biologically different or inferior. and they come to it more easily. the other is people are just more poor. there are poor and they don't have access to the same healthcare etc.. and the other is they, black people are fisomehow behaviorally deficient. tell me about a fourth option . >> the fourth option is really something is wrong with our community. is that the fourth option? it's that something is wrong with our community and that's what i was thinking about chicago. i remember i'm not going to say the name of the former president but that person looking at chicago and

calling out and saying it's terrible, it's so crime ridden. when my mother and i went back there we were shocked by the conditions of our community. we lived back in early 2020 but then looking into it, it's like this is a community that was redlined so people weren't, people in the black unity uyweren't allowed to fight off, your home is your biggest wealth asset and that's how people pass along generational wealth is through their homes. so if you weren't allowed to own a home and then it was funny because i was doing these interviews and i was all over redlining and i did an interview with doctor gail who was going to be the next president there in atlanta. and she had her existing assistant yicall me back and said tell him to not forget about the contract line. and what's contract buying? i haven't heard of that. so she gave me a link, i read

about it. it was the rule that black folks couldn't buy a home except on a contract. so that meant we had no equity. and then if you didn't commit the payment on your home because you didn't have a mortgage or have that kindof equity that other people had , then you could loseyour home . and i asked my mother and i said edhowdy grandfather on the building he bought in the 40s . i don't know, he bought it on some kind of contract and he was always terrified we would lose it and i thought my god. then my mother went to school with lorraine hansberry. lorraine hansberry's father, he was a lawyer and he sued around the soul contract buying thing and i thought my god , here are people who come to athis place trying to have a better life and then this happens. and clearly he's a talented, wonderful group of people including my mom and lorraine

hansberry and this is what happens. it's not fair. >> we talked about this before about this nexus of issues of environment and health and from my perspective, i want to know of everything you encountered while reporting and researching. >> i think it wasn't really a surprise but it, i had to force myself to have a little bit more. i'm always, my sort of back story is when i'm doing on the download in my recording is to say this is not just democracy. i'm very quick to say this is not just poverty. middle class that black people also have a hard time in america. i also think what i needed to get a better understanding of

what was the social terminus of health to say, to get a sort of more about health and wealth and the intersection and when i was writing this story about my mother's neighborhood in chicago interviewed a friend of mine , doctor eric whitaker who went to grad school with me and he's a physician. he's president of moms and a good friend and i was interviewing him and i remember he started this clinic in my mom's neighborhood for black men. and then i remember he stopped doing it and i said what happened and because it seems like such a success story. and he said something is going on in this community that having a clinic doesn't help. it's not enough. and he started talking about, talking to people in chicago about investing in wealth building in chicago rather

than being so focused on just getting health care to people because that wasn't enough. and it's the whole community around people is comforting than having one healthcare center isn't going to do enough. and i remember thinking that's a shift for me. it's a shift for me to think about this and think more intentionally about the intersection of health. >> i want to make sure to remind everybody of the questions you have in the chat. we can talk about some of them later. you talked about and i think you write about what this pandemic exposes. or even i think reiterates from your writing. were you at all surprised

again about how disparate the impacts, the racial impact of covid was? >> people like us were not surprised about that. we've been looking at. >> i should say is, the impact not was, it is still a thing . >> i think when it was first happening and we were, people who had studied the kind of health inequality and racial health disparities and also hiv-aids. that was really i started getting into detail. i was on an early 2020 right around the shutdown. right when the pandemic was happening. i was on facebook live and we were doing these calls. it was black folks who had been involved with hiv-aids. everyone was saying this is going to drive that black people more and there weren't statistics yet.there were local statistics,there were

some in louisiana . there were some in the states, some in new york there was nothing national so locally you could see racial health disparities with covid outcomes but there wasn't, no national data. but there were some of these panicky angry discussions of mostly black people and other people of color who were involved in hiv-aids saying this is going to blow up. then i remember the second shpart of this conversation was should we push the idea or is it going to backfire and they're going to blame us. they're going to blame us when it happens to us. so there was all this conversation and then the one that hit me was i don't know if they knew i was there or maybe i was going in and out and somebody said the utmainstream media is never going to cover this. and i started thinking oh dear. kind of in the mainstream media, i worked at the new york times magazine so i told my editor at the magazine i said this conversation is

going on. i think you should get someone to write about the racial health disparities that are going to happen if covid happens. there's going to be an impact on black people and other people of color worse and i gave her a list of people and said i'm writing a book so i cannot do it at the new york times. she said well, you should maybe think about doing it. unlike no, i cannot get pulled into oneof those long stories . then they said explain your thinking so i gave a little pitch . and then probably your name came up. so then i'm like, she's like can you just tell me where you think, if you were going to do it where would it be based so i called around my friends and i call people in atlanta, called people in birmingham, in new york and in new orleans it turned out new orleans really was the

place to write about this. by the end i ended up being the one to bowrite about this. and partly because i have had so many contacts. i already have the people in place to talk to and i already had the basic theories, one because i'm writing a book about mental health disparities but also becausei had that experience with hiv-aids . >> you call this a moment of the company in your book and new orleans, i remember it's hard to fathom just how much history you lost. when you lose elders early. ronald lewis who was a curator of the house was one of the first people in the city and that black history. we're not just talking about individual lives, we're talking about pillars of the community. >> and that's how i covered it through the lens of this

social club. that is such a pillar of the community and to watch the people, it was on, i was looking on their facebook page and it would be like another brother got his name and it would be that little emoji and that's what moved me to say i really do want to look at what's happening to thembecause it's so bad . these are guys who were trying to do something good nifor the community and have mardi gras and a parade and the events and then they got covid. so i really wanted to cover and also what we saw in covid especially was that it struck black people younger. we got worse outcomes younger. and this man mister charles who i wrote about was 50 when

he passed away and i was so surprised the cause he was so young but they're not surprised. >> i have a couple more questions for you. i just want to make sure that we will get to the audience q&a so make sure you get your question in the chat. there's one comment here, lots of them i think are interesting. this one jumped out at me. how you explain lathese persistent disparities even among people who have access to healthcare. can you tell me more about that? >> weathering is a concept that was brought up by doctor arlene geronimo'sat the university of michigan . she'd been thinking about this since she was basically an undergrad. >> studentcams.org

it played out in covid because you saw people getting covid at younger ages but weathering is a dual concept. eemboldening the way, being blk in america and our bodies the way a storm, the weather a house. house is weathered by a storm. the shingles get knocked off, windows break but we also weather the storm and that means we have to take care of each other through kinship and community and love. i like that concept and rebrilliant she gave it that poetic name but it is evident based, data driven concept she

was attacked for early in her career because what she was saying and not team who gets pregnant driving up rates of low oubirth weight and preterm birt, it's slightly older black women who have had to endure discrimination in america so people were saying she was supporting teen pregnancy and noten being a good advocate and she was attacked. she lost her job and now because reproving, she's worked hard to prove this theory and it's clear during covid and maternal mortality rates that it makes sense, i saw her recently and she's doing well, she's writing

a book about this and i'm part of her sticking with it. >> if you all haven't read obviously you should read the book butom is in amazing excerpt and reporting of the book in new york times magazine, a touching story. i want to know what it was like to talk to them about their story and somebody who's analyzing it, how does it affect your brain and being? >> they melt my heart. this family came to montgomery alabama from, ironically, megan

county, the family came in like the late 60s and the father was disabled, neither of the parents could read, there were six children so they were living in montgomery and a social worker said we can't have folks living like this and the great society program had just happened so there were all kinds of services for people. housing, money, healthcare and schools. the children having been in schools. they moved public housing, one of them mary, she was disabled so went to school for the disabled but they got on the radar of the public health thservice at the time because

bleak black books read the tail end of the great migration, they were the ones who didn't make it tohe chicago where the north, ty flooded into cities in the south. at the same time the thing that happened was the government should is getting expensive, we need to control the population so he started for the girls, 12, 14 and 17. it started with depo-provera which was still in clinical trials so they were given that. then the public health service workers went to the mother and said what she understood was give your girls immunization she signed an x on the paperwork but what was supposed to get them sterilized because the public health workers were worried, they said it to lie, boys were hanging around with the youngest

ones were 12 and 14. a public health to pick up the younger girls and paralyze them. they went back to the older one she locked herself in the bedroom. shego said what happened and she went to the hospital, 1973 and said the girls are here in theiw gowns and crying and screaming, we heard help us. she had the wherewithal to get to the law center in montgomery which was new. the president of it, it was pretty new, they took the case and to washington and testified the three girls in the parents testifying inbu front of the senate. they won the lawsuit. it also uncovered 100,000 -- 150,000 other women, poor and black women also have been sterilized. what happened was they kind of fell off the radar and you see their stories and museums,

online, old pictures from 1973 or up, a picture from ebony cut out and put in my wallet because i became obsessed with finding him. i was in montgomery trying everything i could to find them. i had a researcher on the ground who was a lawyer and i'm like i know we are going to find them. we are asking but nobody knows how to find them so the researcher woman was teaching parenting classes and she said sewill you please come to my parenting -- i said no. i have nothing to say to a parent class, my kids are grown and she said please, please. my mom and i are doing this, we just need fresh blood so after three knows, i went to the class and i'm talking and i see the

name tag of one of the people is doubly afterr all this time i'm looking for them with a piece of paper in my wallet so i say, are you in any relation to mary, katie and -- they would be in their 60s. they said they are my aunt. he want their number? [laughter] 's i was so overwhelmed. i didn't see them that time but i had her call and tell them about me so the next time when i went, i met them. i'm sure they thought i was deranged because i was so happy and enthusiastic and going to see them next week, i'm going to montgomery. i think of them as my friends. weth talk on the phone and they tell me about the weather there. they where brooklyn t-shirts i brought them and i just feel such an injustice that happened to them but they are so kind and

humble and forgiving. i love to see justice for them, at least an apology is not a kind of reparation, some kind of preparation. >> i want to make sure we have time for the audience questions. we have one that gets a good way to follow-up -- give me more, folks. i have one here that think it's a good way to sort of follow up onit what you just said. to address and eliminate these, especially in the realm of looking for some sort of reparation or acknowledgment for heinous programs like the mass sterilization program but also the more mundane health disparities. >> one thing, i'll just isolate the sterilization. three states offer a form of

reparation. north carolina -- >> that's where i'm from. >> oh, that's right. they gave reparation, a form came toed people who were sterilized without consent. virginia gave money to people who came forward and were sterilized and sanctionti progrs in california, that is still goingow on but they are paying people. those are the only three states, nothing national or anything else. i wanted to mention, lift up the sensitivity training or antiracism, anti- bias training happening in california. california did the right thing beginning i think 2006, realized

the levels of maternal mortality were just as high in california as they were in the country and black women were three to four times more likely to be struck by this problem. really pulled out all the stops and says we are going to do everything we can to fix this. it's not right burning people are dying because of pregnancy and during the birthing process so put protocols in place so if you have a hemorrhage or emergency c-section, everybody at the hospital knew what to do and the tools were in place. studied it really well and during that time.f number of birthing people who died dropped 55% of the racial health disparity, black women were still three to four times more likely to pass away so what they did was realize we can't doctor ourselves out of

this so they mandated antiracism buys training to work with people for the during pregnancy or after the child was born. the also combat training, mandatory continuing education for anyone practicing so it's a good step of the goods only step, it's not perfect. i think what's happening with medical students nursing students is really good, many of them were politicized in highco school and college and hit up against black lives matter and saw what was happening in the country and now they are having clinical training and studying to be doctors and nurses and midwives all public health policy advocates or whatever

they are doing but they are more political than the last generation and pushing back against failed training using kind of race as a marker which is it really effective and they are saying i want to be a healthcare provider the way others in past generations have and i a am excited that at work among students but also think we need to support and put them up because it's hard going to medical school and also trying to train yourself and racial health disparities and healthy t quality while in medical school which is hard in many cases trying to train other students so they need more support from colleges and universities. >> one more question, a follow-up on that.g how has the medical establishment beyond, how is the medical establishment responding to the research?

>> it is a mixed bag. i am excited what happened in the past year to. there are colleges and universities that have a health equity sentence and my friends doing other things are now running them so i like that. ama made apology on how they were treated in the past, there's a health equity officer the wonderful smart woman. the cdc and other agencies have now in the past, racism is a public health threat, nobody was saying that but now it's kind of common. however, people are pushing back against the. i think it was a chief medical officer in virginia a couple of days ago said stop saying that so there is push back.

i get pushback from physicians and the make a mistake talking about these issues with us calling them racist. after i was on fresh air i gotta note from a gentleman son was a medical student in virginia and the sun took part in that study in 2016 students, interns and residents that found something like% of them believe one myth about the blackbodydy including black people have higher pain tolerance or thicker skin so he said that was unfair, it hurt my son's feelings, ite' was wrong o say that, he felt used by the study and now he's a doctor so you should stop using that.

anyway. i read that three days ago and thought about it and i thought should i go back and look at it? and thinking no, that guy is a doctor now, he's forever changed because he got called out in this way so no and i'm sorry his feelings were hurt, but i thought about that because i thought that is important important to listen to people say you hurt my feelings with and move on, this can make a huge difference if we acknowledge this, your individual feelings we have to push beyond. >> we have one question, do you think telehealth, disparities and gaps, i want to expand, if you come across any other innovations of healthcare crisis

seems to go against the grain? >> well, telehealth has been important during the pandemic and telehealth is important for rural areas. we'vee seen so many medical clinics and hospitals closing closing rural areas particularly in the south so there's no choice but to rely on the technology so i welcome that and i don't think that's the only answer. many of the things we are doing our limp alongre plans just tryg to piece it together until we get a new kind of healthcare system and the other thing i mentioned in my book and iw really believe in and i saw your conversation before we started and i could see workers and doers and midwives thank you for

your work. what happens i think in america is to rely on machines and technology which i am so glad to have that in our country but often we need to make the connection to people especially black people harmed by our healthcare system so it's important we caner look at lower texts, people centered solutions and don't have to always look for technology. i was having this conversation with someone during this extravaganza recently whoid sai, i was talking about community health workers in said immunity health workers and navigators and somebody said are trying to spend money, that's expensive, no it's not. they are not paid well. it's a good way cheaper even if you pay them better and what they deserve, is less expensive than people getting ill and treated in hospitals and

ophospital settings. if you keep people out by keeping them healthy and having a kinder more loving connection to the system, it works better. >> i'll stop bothering in -- >> you can bother me anytime. >> oh good, good. i want you to sign my book. but i do think it would do is to delve in, we had birth workers involved in reno society round making the act, safer around protecting people and children and what does it say about

america, about this country and structures if this is so typical, still so dangerous. >> i y think there's this -- i have a button and a t-shirt that says listen to. black women andi woulday say listen to black peoe and listen to people and they listen to bring people because it's interesting sometimes when i have the most mainstream people pushing back against the ideas, i realize they are not really listening. everywhere i go people tell me stories of what happened to them. our people faxing hesitant or people afraid to go into the healthcare system because of the baby? afraid because of what happened to them in the system yesterday. i was thinking about this because iea got good reviews, oe

in the new york times on the scover sunday -- >> congratulations. >> thank you and the other in washington post. both of the reviews shared in your tragic birth story. one was a w miscarriage and the family would -- the parents were treated so badly they called the pregnancy of demise which is okay, that is not kind. they sent people home to have them bleed out and they said no, he will find. in the middle of a book review this person sharing terrible sad stories. in the times book review was a woman talked, she read my 2018 maternal infant mortality, i was afraid, i did everything right

and her story was tragic, she wasn't listened to and had way too much medical and from intervention and in the middle of a book review. they said good things about the book but the centerpiece were these horrific stories and i was struck by the and the other thing i was work by, the woman reading my book at the same time roe v. wade was leaked. she said all over social media people were saying it's another handmaid's tale and she said for white women because black women would been living through handmaid's tale so we been with living where they do surgery on enslaved black women without anesthesia, cut to the sisters in 1973 sterilized and then cut to today and people sharing

their stories so i think -- hello. [laughter] i'm so excited i lost my train of thought. i just want to lift up because we are in atlanta, i want to say i'm grateful to be informed by the black withh reproductive justice movement because i was allowed to understand in a simple way and to share what it means, what reproductive justice means in america. if only three things, it is easy if the right to have a child, it's the right not to have a child and then a right to choose to have a child that you have the right to raise that child in a safe and healthy environment and i am so informed by those three things it helps to understand because you're looking at argument and not everyone believes in these

things during arguments, it makes no sense listen to the counterargument but i stick in those three things helps me understand and kind of not get upset i stick to my good faith. >> think about what changed in our society. if you only made those three things center of policy. >> and if you expand them and said it's not just for parents and bringing people, it's for everyone. if we just have the right to control our bodies and not have terrible things happen to us and be able to be healthy and safe no matter who we are or where we live, it s is simple. >> i want to make sure have everybody here is a chance and

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