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then of course you have to pray really focused on staying in hasouth dakota. i'm running for reelection this myear, the people of our states trust me too serve them another four years. that is really what my goal is. be on that good leadership is coming in this country.ou i'm sure there's a lot of people interested in that job. >> have you ever given specific thought to running for president in 2024? >> no, i haven't. people speculate. that's the nature of politics. but i specifically have not. i am not convinced that has to be me in that position. >> faire enough. i want to ask you a doodle time traveling for just a moment. we are in the midst right now ia washington and grant that a lot of people look at what happens in washington and scratch their heads. we are in the midst right now of the special select committee in the house to examine what happened on january 6, 2021. on that day, she watched the former supporters of president

trump storm the capitol to help the certification of president joe biden's victory, this is a building where you work for number of years. what were you thinking that day as you watch that unfold? >> i think i was like many people. i was grieved by what i was seeing parts going out the committees now but we saw this week was discouraging. a lot of the testimony was hearsay. not necessarily factual. that is why think they're so may things going on in this country with inflation, energy costs, things that are impacting families across the nation that i would love to see congress focus on those into it they can to continue to make sure we have an environment where people can feed their families, pursue opportunities in the future for their careers and really protect the freedoms free. >> you view president trump as the undisputed leader of the republican party? and if he chooses to run w in 24 amount a third white house cam

page of the republicans step aside? >> spent a lot of time talking people across the country. right now no one can defeat compared to what we have today to shape above that several years but if he were to ready with certain have my supportt notice in the immediate aftermath of the 2020 election you delivered a speech in meeting and george at york rite critical help republicans in congress have operated at times. and you were critical of the parties inability from your pointt of view at times to deliver on campaign promises. where do you think your party has fallen short? >> i think if you go back and look at what he actually said

there, yes i said we have fallen short at times.d but i also said what is hopeful about the republican party. that is with the country is desperate for right now is some optimism. when you look at my status south dakota whaty you did is what conservatives believe in the last several years. we had a very limited government role.er we gave people flexibility. let them use personal responsibility to make the best decisions for their families and their businesses. and now the economy is leading the nation. our children are doing better with educational outcomes incomes are going up faster in our state than anywhere else. people are driving more than they were in many of these other states. leadership hason consequences. much of the country but we see in the news is discouraging.

>> when you serve in congress if memory serves me correctly entered with the brand-new republican majority. but with a democrat still in the white house. i wanted to sort of get your insight aunt republican to have a very good november this year. beginning next january have the house and senate. at least the ability to put bills on the floor and pass some of them through the house. what is your recommendation to your fellow republicans in congress or who may be in congress next year in terms of how you deliver on what they believe the american people want. but also how you function in a political reality with present

bite at the veto pen. >> the realityy is the senate does not' have to talk about wih the house is talking about. that was so broken about washington d.c. for a talk about is quite a bit in my book. it was just released called not my first rodeo. talks about the dysfunctional washington, d.c. when i did serve in congress, the first couple of years we did have barack obama in the white omhouse. we learn how to get some things past. as a check and balance to the system. what i believe republicans the house and need to do is cast a vision and not just be opposed to joe biden even though so many of the policies are bad for our country right now. i do think we also have a pretty clear on what we are for and be ready toe take action should be have the opportunity to get congressional p bills passed and get them to the president's desk free. >> and not my first rodeo:

lessons from the heartland. you discussed a lot about what it is for. i also talk a lot about your experiences which i want to discuss in a minute. do you think republicans outside of south dakota, other than yourself of done a good job on casting a vision for what republicans will do with new majorities if they win them in november? >> i think it depends on the republicans. and what their message is. i'm talking about what they want to do but they don't get the regulations the trade agreements addressing national security concerns. make sure we are leaving again through peace through strength. those are all things they talk about. the house of representatives specific has been a messaging what they would do if they were to get the house back. that governing incredibly important also keeping perspective. so many people have been successful the past running for office and they talked about with people at home care about. we saw a new governor get

elected in virginia by focusing on look at what people cared about in the communities throughout that states. f not getting diverted down national, political divisive topics. but focusing on what his people cared about and the kids in the education they were getting. so, that is really a discipline i think we could all learn as public servants. even though what we think maybe the conversation to be having comments only with the people aa home want us to focus on that we should be looking at. >> all right, let's get into your book. if you have not written one of these things before, not always as easy as it might appear. i've got a little experience with that myself. so i just wanted to ask you off the top, not my first rodeo what is your book about? >> most people would assume is just a political book. voices all of my opinions on the political topics of the day.

it's really more of a story of my life lived so far. what i have learned over the years. leadership qualities from the heartland. how i grew up on a ranch in that very big presence in my life. my dad taught me by having a strong work ethic we do not complain about things would we fix them. also my time in the state legislature. how i made decisions in my life i think a lot of people first heard my name during covid. but it is important for them so that was not my firstou rodeo that's not the first challenge i went there. i did have a life before that. and served in congress. some of those experiences along the way it would give people a little better understanding about how i make my decisions when it comes to the public office i hold today as weber. >> lessons from the w heartland opens i think my favorite story of yours and they pay me too do this i have heard it. i bet a lotut of people at least outside of south dakota have noo heard the story.

i want to go to your words let's how often you talk about this in terms of how it shaped. number one is entitled the tapes pretty start theook like this, i do not knowhy i am doing this, he said are the cockles of the tape recorder. i guess iws will go check the cs click it. the tape stops, that was the end. i could not believe what i just heard. what i had just found. what i held it in my hands andi what a gift it was. so that it wase going to be oka, we were going to get through this. governor, talk about this story. fill in for us. and why it is such a poignant moment in your life. >> most people wonder how i got involved in government politics to begin with. i do not come from a political family. nobody's ever been that interested in government. no one has run for office.

it was a very strange route for me too take growing up wanting to graduate from college go home and be in business on the farm and ranch with my dad. the big life change through my dad was killed in an accident on my family operation. i was 22 years old at the time paid my olderch brother and sisr living out of state. my younger brother still in high school but end up quitting college, coming home and becoming the general manager ofn a large business working for me and over and over again i was wishing i could just ask my dad questions. i've been working all of the time trying to figure how to keep the business together but were hit with death taxes trying to figure how to pay that bill will be did not have any money in the bank. and for months i struggled and wondered if we would be okay. one day i decide to clean out my dad's pickup which is where he kind of ran everything out of. most ranchers and farmers slid

out of their pickup trucks. i foundnd these little dictation tapes very little micro kissimmee recorder. and these tapes. i started to play them it was my dad's voice. and on these tapes or answers to all the questions that i wished i had had over the several months previous. what variety of seed court works best on which soil type. what cattle bread at best. and did wellin our climate. what neighbors to trust, which ones were good friends but what to do if we ever got into financial trouble. he even talked about us kids what he thought we would be when we grew up. and some of those tapes were almost ten years old but he moved them fromas pickup to pick up over the years. my dad was not a talker so it was a shock to me too find something like that. nobody had any idea he was doing something like that. i was just amazed that i could possibly have was on those a

tapes. it was like a prayer delivered and answered. and at that moment that felt the peace that passes all understanding. it was almost like i just knew if god cared enough to give me all the answers to those questions that we were going to be l fine, it was going to be taken care of. >> talk about the farm a little bit. how long is it but in the family? >> it is been in the family for generations. my dad grew up on the operation. i live on the ranch which my dad purchase probably when i was 12 or 13 years old. that is about 15 miles away from where the original farm is. it is very special land. my grandfather first bought it he started a mink and fox farm started to raise money that way to buy the first quarter of

land. recognize the value of owning something my dad said all theny time christie don't sell land god is not making anymore land. your whole estate your whole legacy was tied up in the land you could pass on to your children and your grandchildren is a special place was always more than a place to call home. it's where family had its roots itse foundation.ut quick said not my first rodeo: lessons from the heartland for you talk about a moment you and your dad took a drive to what you refer to in the book as a native land. you got really excited about that he said oh yeah i bought it. is that the ranch? >> that iss where i live yes. and in our part of the state is very rare to find native grounds. ever been turned it's ever been plowed it's the same as that would have been hundreds of years ago. the only grocer datagram was she turn it will never grow again my

dad showed me this special place of hundred and hunkered hundreds of acres over allwa natives. my dad said well i bought it. it is mine. me asking him if i could live there someday and him sayingy, well, someday let you buy it fromom me. there is no free lunch in my dad's world. eventually did it my husband is to live there today. >> fascinating. what are the different things that you farm? and who runs the farm today? >> today my brothers do. what happened was when i went to congress us four siblings all work together in partnership with my mom for many, many years. but when i went to congress i was going to be gone a lot. and obviously spending my time and other entities. my brothers at that time but my sister and i out of the business

operation. we still have equity in the lands and other things. but they run the business and they do the farming now today. lessons from the heartland the authors governor kristi noem of south dakota. a lot of children will grow up in a family business and reject the family business or just not want to go into the same line of work as their parents did. this is something you embraced it. i was trying to get a sense ofe how much this was a matter of circumstance for you, given your father's accident? or whether this is something you ultimately decided you loved enough to want to do before you found your currentnd location? >> out to say my dad and i were a lot y alike. in fact my brother says if you want to know my dad was like spend a day with her. my time was wonderful for my dreamless farming and ranching for the rest of my life. but other times both of us have very strong personalities.

we both kind of wanted to be in charge too.nt i don't what that would have looked like into the future. i didn't think i could ever be happy not farming and ranching. my passion is animals. di love the land. i love being outdoors. the fact they do what i do today was never on my radar. so my plan was always to be involved in the family business. the fact that i am not today is a very unique circumstance. >> he spent a lot of time and not my first radio talking about your parents. who are they? where did they come from? how did they meet? ask my dad grew up in the same area as my mom. my mom grew up in watertown which is about 20 miles away but both from south dakota, both from the northeast corner. my dad was raised out of the country farming and raising cattle. my mom was a city girl. ask what did they do in south dakota?

>> means the talent was probably 15 -- 20000 people. probably not a city girl in terms of what the country thanks. she certainly had a 4h and had showed cattle before. that still does not make her quite the city girl that a lot of people would say. she certainly had never run tractors and let the kind of life my dad had required when she married him. in fact she says when she goto married she moved out to the farm and was so lonely because it was so far away from her family. they only went into town on the sundays railway. she was immediately put at a tractor. she had no idea do and was out of her element. i think they met through high school friends. but quickly fell in love, got married. my whole sleep mom's whole life became her to the business with my dad for it p she worked so hd all the time but she was the peacemaker in the family but she was the one who kept us alive. he was always coming in the house and said let's go, let's go, let's go out she was the one

shoving food in our pockets to say here, eat this on the way to the field. a or eat this on the way to haul cattle and taking care of us kids and running stuff around the country supporting the business as well. >> you know how far back your family goes? my grandfather my mother side it was his parents that came over from norway. my dad's grandparents had been here before. but they are more german. they originally settled up north of us probably about 50 miles. four generations in this country. but very much tied to the land when they came they worked and earned every single thing that they have today. asked to write a lot aboutrehe e oldest. i tell people all the time i may run south dakota but she still runs my life. when cindy tells me too d' it i do it. when i went to congress, got

elected that was such a different thing for our family. i was leading for age groups i was the children's pastor of our church. i was running businesses, my kids were little she filled in all of the holes. she took over every job i suddenly dropped. she took care of my kids, ran treats to school, took them to the doctor. her and my mom were incredibly helpful with the sudden a people and life. when i decided for the first time out of all of us to go do something different. my brother went to college to get a psychology degree. he was never going to come back and be a part of the business until my dad passed away and he came home to help for a little while but did not want to be a part of the business. but after a couple of years decided to stay. so rock is the one -- mckee is the second oldest. cindy is the oldest, then rock. when you say i didn't sleep very well last night, i had a bunch c of dreams that kept me awake you'd say oh christy, tell me all about the dreams you had.

[laughter] and heap go into analysis on me. but he is wonderful. a very deep thinker very thoughtful. i am the third out of four. and then my brother rob is the baby of the family. but he is the big guy. and he is probably the most wonderful father i've ever met before. he has six children three he has adopted. hard workere pretty calls me almost every day to check on me and make sure i'm doing okay. envelopes machinery and working outside. really is a man of the land. i'm probably closest right now to rob. when i was farming it was cindy. but we all just recognized what we had growing up in our family being so close and spending over 20 years being in business together was really special way to grow up. allus of us children feel like brothers and sisters. every day they were together we were running or. operation.

growing up together, the same age. that does not happen everywhere in thehe country. doesn't. family businesses can be quite contentious. it does not always go well and i have some personal experience with that. you have an anniversary coming up or already happened depending on when people are watchingow this. talk to me about how you met your husband. and how did you end up and i think people would find this interesting, how did you end up honeymooning at dodger stadium in los angeles? that is my neck of thet woods. i can almost look at l.a. like sort of a small town depending on how much traffic i have to fight to get anywhere. that had to be some real culture shock for you guys back then. but talk about that. >> yes. my husband went to the same high school i did he was two years older than me but we do not start dating until he went to college for it i was still in high school but he was in college. and to be honest with you he was

one of my brothers friends. we started dating and it was interesting because we got engaged and were going to get married he had left the state of south dakota before. in fact i think maybe had gone to minneapolis once for twins game. he was a huge dodgers fan his dad was a brooklyn dodgers fan. and it always watch games, listen to games it was a very big decision for him on where he wanted to go on the honeymoon for it if he could go anywhere in the world where would you go? and he struggled with that. of course we didn't have any monies or doing something on the budget was important. weal were trying to figure out what to do. finally he was struggling so muche i solicit if you could go anywhere in the world, or would you go question without thinking he said dodger stadium. i said all right, then let's go to dodger stadium for honeymoon. dick, the problem with the dodgers didn't play until two weeks after we got married.

so we got married and then what right back to work at the farm the next day. two weeks later left for our honeymoon. i did not realize whendiho i agd ato dodger stadium that i was agreeing to go to the entire series. and that meant all of batting practice as well and staying until the entire games were over. my husband was so enthralled with being there that he brought my dad's abo video camera. if you thinklo of it at that tie in the '90s was bright yellow. he was as big as the suitcase. video cameras were not allowed in dodger stadium pretty stuck it in every day. and then went around and tried to video everything he can and then was a chased by security guards and i would sit there for hours and think what kind of honeymoon is this? they would eventually take it away from him. i think we came home from an honeymoon with 11 or 12 hours of videotape of just dodger stadium because he loved it so much.

that was it interesting specialn but very because he was thrilled to be there. we have been married 30 years now. and eventually about ten years later he did take me on a cruise so i did get a different kind of a trip about ten yearsea later. very special guy. he marriedn' me i was going to e a farmer. he did not necessarily sign up for this crazy life thate we live. but he has hung in there and has really been the support that i need to continue doing o what im doing for. >> for his a credit dodger lstadium's most beautiful baseball stadiums in the country. so he has goodul taste. >> yes he does and it was beautiful we loved it. i just ate a lot of dodger dogs week. >> you probably got your fill. first rodeo: lessons from the heartland is about governor kristi noem of south dakota is the author. let's talk about your first rodeo. you decide after a while of

running a farm to get involved in politics. and it sort of started out innocently enough because whenever you run a business you are very attuned to government regulations, taxes, more so than if you're just getting a check every week. that sort of o got you involvedn policy and having opinions on that. you make the leap to run for a seat in the state legislature. what were you thinking at the time? and how does your family react? 's is not in the grand scheme of things that long ago. and in a modern era when someone runs for congress the spotlight hits their family. the families and business dealings and all sorts of things. it is not just the candidate. >> i would say that after my dad passed away, within a year or two i had received some awards for kind of put me on people's radar is named outstanding young farmer within a few years after dad passed. then south dakota standing stone

young leader. at that time our u.s.as senator was tom. he was the majority leader in the senate. and was from south dakota and i was at a lot of his meetings. paint end up appointing me too a board that oversaw all the federal farm programs in the state. so i was involved in policy and showing up with different people and people started to ask me too consider to run for the state legislature. it was interesting because asking my family they thought that was strange. nobody has done that before. but in our state the legislature meets for 40 days a year. you go in in january. you balance the budget, past bills go back home and back your jobs. it wasn't that big of a commitment outside of session.in we figured we would try it and if it works everything would be okay. i did that comment got elected and ran for leadership right away. and serve the majority leader in the house. that is really went a lot of the

pressure started to come to run for congress. which i was not interested in doing at all. in fact people asked for two years if my husband and i would consider running for congress because they were represented in the u.s. house by a blue dog democrat. and of course i was a republican and people wanted me too challenge that representative before she decided to go after john newman who is our u.s. senator. ite think a lot of john thune supporters and he himself were interested in me challenging her and beating her before she decided to run for the senate. and eventually after two years of people calling and talking i explained a lot of this in the book as well, i finally said to my husband may beat we just run. and if we lose people will leave us alone. and we can quit talking about this. she was very popular at the time. hadn't voted for obamacare or the stimulusan package. but she had voted for nancy pelosi and i spent a lot of my that campaign talking about that.

that was really when things got elevated to more of a national level. as a heated campaign where the top five in races in the nation at the time and very contentious. as i was admittedly out of my element. it was a very interesting difficult campaign for me for. >> democrat was stephanie. she made south dakota very competitive for democrats just before politics in your state tip to the right. want to back up for a minute. i am supposed to know this stuff but i did not realize you had had a relationship of sorts with tom -- former senator from south dakota. democrat majority leader in the u.s. t senate. just talk about that because we do not see that sort of thing that often anymore but. >> tom was always very good to me. in fact he gave me opportunities i wouldou say even republicans would not give me opportunities

to do. and south dakota for a democrat be elected and even foryo republicans in the little bipartisan work together. people think it's a very conservative but it really is not. ine fact my last race when iran for governor just three and a half years ago i only won by three points and it was against a guy who was a bernie sanders supporter. though it is very much a state that can go back and forth. tom was the majority leader. very influential. he cared about farm bills, cared about tax reform. and i was somebody who did not complain about things pretty tried to show up and be a partad of the solution. think he appreciated that. he had a leadership camp every year that he would host for new leaders in the state that he thought had potential to serve. and he did invite me too that one year. and i went. it was in the a black hills for

the weekend he brought in speakers and we spent time together talking about policy and what it's like to run for office. it was interesting to me because i never once considered becoming a democrat. i think maybe he probablyou hopd i would. but boy, for years after that even when he ran for congress i had a lot of republicans who questioned if i was truly a republican just because i had attended that leadership camp that tom -- had hosted. i was surprised that they felt that tainted a republican i would go and spend time with democrats. >> struck me in reading not my first rodeo, that politics is something new really come out the phrase to be fell in love with. but for somebody is not steeped in it necessarily and came to it later in life, i feel like you'd dove right in and in a sense found your calling.

talk about doing this for a living the past few years and how it has felt in terms of the professional satisfaction of god from the work? >> well, my husband would tell you i'm kind of obsessive with everything ir do. whateveror i do i do 110% for en when i worked at theng farm, i s working 20 hour days for the kids were coming with me and the tractors. we were always adding more and more things what we needed to get accomplished every day. i had a grandmother told me when i was having my first daughter i needed to say yes to things for the world is filled with people who say no i am too busy, no i can't does that and i should bea mom. i should say yes i should be a person who said yes. i took that to heart. i would think that while i dove in headfirst going 100 miles an hour and politics i kind of did that with everything.

in fact until a couple of stories inhe book about how i decided one time to take upin quilting. a that was not very smart. because my mom finally came to me after i hadn't slept for three days because i could not stop until the quilt was done. she said i don't think quilting is for you it's supposed to be relaxing and you're supposed to sleep. for me i couldn't stop until i got the project done. little bit of my personality. i definitely recognize if i'm going to be gone for my family, i'm going to be gone for my commitments of the businesses, then i want to make a difference. i might as well be in leadership be the person in the room making the decisions. that is kind of the approach i have always had. when i am gone someday i want people to at least say she led a life of significance. >> that obsessiveness you describe plants a lot more contracts with the story you talk about and not my first rodeo: lessons from heartland

about soon after you first arrived in the state legislature and it was about the issue of abortion which is very timely right now. i want to read from this, from your book. youel immediately, correct me ii misremember in the story here governor, merely propose legislation to pro-life legislation to curtail abortion rights or however you would like to describe it. some of the republicans obviously pro life republicans in the legislature told you it was bad strategy but they were not pleased with that. you immediately e-mailed your constituents back home, that e-mail made its way into a blog. and it became much the topic of conversation in your stage. you write about the articles that were written for the article made me sound arrogant and naïve and frankly i was.

i'd sent the message to everyone that i could not be trusted by disagreeing with someone i would start attacking them with e-mails to constituents. talk to me about how informative that decision was and how you developed your governing style even on issues where youy are extremely passionate and you are very principled. and howiv that approach is how u governed as a chief executive? >> that situation, i was brand-new to the legislature. i wanted to do something impactful. we c had just had a ballot initiative that would have completely banned abortions in the state. it had gone to the public and it had failed. i wanted to immediately bring another bill forward that would have the debate in the legislature. i remember having a meeting with those who cared about this issue and just being shocked the statesng and president of righto life was against bringing a bill. it was a man for my own district

for the other representative but he was also was my husband's cousin. that tells you how small south dakota is. but i was just so surprised by it i went and immediately after that meeting e-mail people back home and said they needed to call him and talk to him. and that made into the public news stories. and i just realized immediately how bad i sounded, like a know it all i did not even go to him and discuss it with him but instead i decided too or e-mailing people back home who did not have a a context of what was said in that meeting or the strategy behind it. it was a very teachable moment for me. i did not want to be the kind of person who ambushed others in policy. and i recognize that trust is something you create an environment where you build a team. l it's not either you trust somebody or jolt it's almost like a bank accounts. you do different actions how you treat people, how you talk to them, how dependable you are is

building trust day after day after day put a one of my colleagues to know i was someone who iss reasonable, logical, smart and could look at the consequences of everything that we did and make sure it was the right thing to do. so i appreciatedw that teaching lesson. it was pretty miserable because i was brand-new. everybody avoided me after that. everybody was talking about me. i felt that i'dha really gotten off on the wrong foot. that is when the majority leader, larry came to me invited me out to dinner that night he tells everybody the reason he did that as he went around too other members and people that worked in the legislature lobbies and said hey do you want to goav have dinner with kristi noem and me? she doesn't have any friends. [laughter] they agreed and those before men that came to that dinner that night with this young mom and shared a meal andnd also their thoughts and knowledge about the

legislature's are still my dearest friends today. >> i think one of the reasons that particular anecdote from not my first rodeo: lessons from the heartland jumped out at mere as we are talking in the immediate aftermath of the supreme court decision and jackson women health center. and as you are well aware of the country is welll aware that decision overturn roe versus wade and eliminated federal protections for abortion rights and has returned that question to the states. what does abortion -- what to abortion rights look like in south dakota in the aftermath of you in the legislature now having the ability to decide on this question? >> in 2005 south dakota hadce passed a bill that put in place a trigger law that said if role was ever overturned that abortion will be illegal in thef state except to save the life of a mother. so that is the law today.

>> where does the prohibition begin in pregnancy question is the life of the mother the only exception? >> the life of the mother is the only exception today as the statute reads. it is not any consequences against the mother. it would not add any kind of punishment would be on the doctor's responsibility. for a doctor who would knowingly break the law, they are the ones who would be prosecuted. never the women would be involved in the situation with an unplanned pregnancy or crisis they feel they may be facing because of the situation. >> were to south dakota law in this trigger law -- orders the prohibition come in at conception, 16 weeks, 15 weeks, or is it? >> it is in the first trimester. it is when that pregnancy can be detected. that is part of the debates. if you remember, the next case to come before the supreme court

is a south dakota case. we had been watching the dobbs case in south dakota. recognize it could overturn roe. we believe that if it did not the next case the supreme court would hear would be planned parenthood versus nell met. it is a decision on informed consent case that now i believe planned parenthood is asking to abe dismissed because of the decision we have seen come down on roe v wade. >> this is essentially a heartbeat bill. in other words once a heartbeat has been detected and there is a viable pregnancy, that is on the prohibition kicks in? >> we actually had a debate this year end doing a heartbeat bill. whether or not roe was overturned or not. it was interesting to me because we have some division among republicans this year about that. many republicans in the legislature did not want to bring a s heartbeat bill they ft they would jeopardize our supreme court case.

they did not want planned parenthood to completely pull out of the state because they felt that would undermine the case that we would have that may overturn roe. i wanted to introduce the bill, brought it forward the legislature refused to accept it. my a belief is that is what the debate should be is around when you can detect that heartbeat. that is as we know a human being dand a life. that is when the protection would kick in. >> governor i do not mean to belabor this but can you help define for me a little bit better, where in the first trimester is abortion still legal? and at what point in that first trimester does it become d illegal? what's it is when the pregnancy is determined between the woman and the doctor. when there is notification there. so abortions are illegal as of today except to save the life of the mother. >> it in response to criticism often from democrats but not only democrats that south dakota

law doespo not allow exceptionsn cases of rape and incest, how do you respond to that? >> ofs the that will continue to be a debate. i think they're people here in south dakota that are continuing to talk about that. for me personally, it is a difficult conversation because i know that this tragic situation that happens to women is horrific. i cannot even imagine i have never had to go through anything like that. i just never believed a tragedy should be followed up by another tragedy. we know from science and technology over the years the last ten -- 15 years but this ia a life but this is a baby in tha womb. does it feel pain at a certain point we also know when doctors do procedures on these babies in the womb, they are defined as patients for they have patients rights. it's very difficult to say this is a patient that has rights and not say it's a human life at the same time. intelligent conversation every

life is precious means when that looks like from state to state.c >> would you like to see congress where you want to serve passed legislation banning abortion naturally? >> i think it is appropriate right now the discussion happens of the state level prayer that is really what the constitution defines as a responsibility of the states. i'm thankful the supreme court division that said this will be debated amongst a government close to t people instead of at the federal level. >> and not my first rodeo, lessons from the heartland you recount a story that always sticks with me when i am telling the story for whatever reason, about the republican majority elected in 2010 and that leadership difficulties speaker john weiner, majority leader and their team had in corralling this new what was then a new tea

party majority. telling the stor' sometimes i think is informative for people when they're lucky republicans in congress now and sometimes the difficulty theyav have unifying. what surprised me too some degree although it makes sense you would not want an agricultural bill messed with given how poor this is a south dakota, was you had a colleague. you talk about this and not my first rodeo, the one it's about work requirements for food stamps into the agriculture bill and that's where these things are dealt with. by that may have been worried that you referred to it as a poison pill and you really worked over leadership hard not to bend on this and to get the agricultural bill through. that struck me as conservative as you are on policy, there is a htpragmatic side to how you govern. sometimes you have been criticized on that from the rights. talk about what that experience was like and how it has sort of

informed your policymaking style? >> i think it's good to understand first a of all ibu fd policy is a national security issue. when another country grows our food for us that is when they control us. the americas already embraced a seafood policy and also an affordable one. is important to us that every family in this country can afford to go to a grocery store and buy what they need to feed their families. but as one of the reasons you have a farm bill it is a safety net program forow a topic all te go to the bank with the borrowed money and they put it in the dirt. they hope months later the rain will have fallen, the sun will shine they can pick up something to go pay their bills. you can make it okay living for 20 years you can have one bad year end lose everything. that safety net is incredibly important. it isin always been a bipartisan bill that changed dramatically the next farm bill that happened after 2010. when we make these policy discussions especially in washington d.c. there is no bill that is perfect ever. i wish there was but you are

never going to make everybody happy. this farm bill was incredibly t important that we get enough votes to push it forward to the house for you to keep that safety net in place so we did not have china controlling our food supply. we do not have other countries and growing it for us and having us reliant on those imports. and it was a very, very good responsible bill. the problem was when you work requirements on food stamps was going to cause a lot of them to bail. with several other bills that were coming that could have had that debate. could have been attached to, could have been a bill on its own. but instead the leadership team decided to help allow an amendment on the farm bill that they spoke to knowing it was a poison bill it would kill the farm bill and did it anyway which i felt was not what leadership was. leadership is recognizing you represent a caucus and members that have priorities.

i knew it lead that team. by doing that he let a lot of his team down and i let him know. it was a bit of a battle and i was at the endas of the day we t a farm bill passed. being a team at important times on important policy has cost republicans the ability to govern and the ability to really address the big challenges that we have in this country as far as a debt and spending. and even national security issues. i u talk about that experience quite a bit because people need to understand where their food comes from paid whites important have farmers in this country but also when it is important i will challenge leaders. even if i'm the only member of the house for my state fighting alone and nobody is with me. i will stand up and push because if it is important and if it matters than it is worth it. i win. i won the discussion. >> th bk is lessons from the heartland excuse me the book is

not my first writer, lessons from the heartland for a new is going to that eventually for the authors governor kristi noem a south dakota republican. governor i think the reason that story jumped out at me is because in looking at the tea party era i believe it and i've talked to other republicans about this former colleagues of yours that felt they had a chance even barack obama in the white house to move conservative policy forward however slowly but however sometimes frustratingly small. butup because they were too many in the group that wanted more, did not want to compromise on what i they felt were principal, the whole thing came crashing down. i wonder if that would be destructive for the next majority he could get some movement even with joe biden in the white house, take it. that is what i sort of felt like you were saying with the story and not my first rodeo put in my misinterpreting what you're talking about? >> i think that's a very good

lesson to have. it is also incredibly important that leaders lay out the full plan. that members have a confidence of where you're going as well but they might be willing to support a bill that didn't havee everything and it they knew it was going to be addressing could trust to beep addressed in the future for it that's a real ball and down thee past as republicans. not having a strategic plan to show people were going to make a difference into the future but in this day and age what gets people results is a blow each other up, vote no all day and nothing changes by think that is unfortunate. it is not a civil pay the price for that w dramatically it wille our children and our grandchildren. what were doing today in this country is unsustainable. the way we demonize each other talk about each other is destructive i think to our republic. words have consequences. the division that we have does not facilitate debate andrd conversation and better policy.

we've got to have leaders at step forward and help make facid conversation and better policy. we've got to have leaders at step forward and help make that happen so we end up in a place where we still have the countriesfo are founders envisioned. >> in the a lot of americans outside a south dakota probably first heard your name during the coronavirus pandemic. where were you andea what were u involved and when you first heard of covid-19 and realize you were dealing with crisis? >> well, i was running my state and making decisions. of course all of 2019 were done with flooding in south dakota. we had been hit with a bomb cyclone that had caused a federal disaster in 63 of my 66 counties. so i had spent all 2019 responding to emergencies, helping families and businesses in towns get patched back together. facilitating fema assistance for a certain 2020 was going to be

so much better and we would actually get back to normall government operations. so when i started to hear about this in virus at the end of 2019 i wondered if there would ever really come to the united states? would it be what they were saying it was going to be? you got into january set up and emergency operation center starting to prepare for, doing research assessing what we had for supplies that we could do to address it. we got our first cases in march, march 10. and started to work our way through really with the state government could do to help facilitate keeping people healthy. but also give them flexibility to get through it together. we were in a legislative session. most of january and february. we are continuing to fill in the legislatures on this f as well d bring people to the table to figure how to care for people. >> all your a thoughts when president trump at the very beginning of the pandemic announced or recommended to the

country a two-week shutdown. i think the message was two weeks to slow the spread. what were your initial thoughts on thatwe recommendation? >> well, i thought for our state we would try to do that. i recommended people do that. did not mandated but also the health experts were telling us we could have around 300,000 people in our state diet. though i held press conferences, told them this is what we were hearing. this is what president trump wai asking us to do and encourage them to do. i think most of the people in the state listened. they went out for essentials and did what they needed to do. did went to work but most of the time they tried to not gather and not do things that would happen and they did not want to overwhelm our hospital system. but beyond that for me always the discussion was how long is a sustainable? what my recommendations were going to be two people was in reality, how long can they

continue to have this kind of action and conduct? and exist? how can we keep our kids educated in her businesses open? in april announced listen, we are going to go back to normal. we kind of modified our activities in the state not by mandating but byt recommending. and we were encouraging people to be smart. to still wash their hands and socially distanced possible and not be in large gatherings that we are going to go back to normal because it was the right thing to do. >> you write a lot about your coronavirus strategy and not my first rodeo: lessons for the heartland. we n decided to make the shift back to a normal footing, did you know it was the right thing to do? was it simply a matter of balancing risks to the economy in addition to health risks? and how sure were you it was

going to turn out okay? i think in retrospect we can look at what happened in south dakota and what happened in some of these states that have more long-term stringent lockdowns and say south dakota did okay but although there's obviously a lot of debate around that. and obviously, as you've spoken about this over the past couple of years and youri about and not my first rodeo, it is clear you have no regrets about the policy shift. but at the time you made the shift, how much angst did you have about if any? and did you know for a fact he was going to work? >> we never in south dakota talked about cases that much. but we focused on was hospital capacity prints all indications of what we recommended was focused on that and preparing surge hospitals and working with national guard and with our administrators to make sure we could take care of people who should need care if they got

sick. that was really what kept things in perspective for us. we knew it was a virus. we knew people would catch it. we needed to really focus on those who would get sick but we could do to help them get through it and get healthy again. so i knew it was the right thing to do with the time. i also knew it was going to be highly criticized and it did. by not just liberals but conservatives and by supporters and people that felt like they saw other governors from different things and i should just fall in line. but i did not know how we would be impacted but i also knew what my authority was. what it wasn't an people in my state needed to have the ability irto go forward and to take care of their families the way they saw fit. making the best decisions with the informationit that we could share with them. it was incredible they were doing a wonderful thing to take

care of the vulnerable population. and we knew would get through it together. >> governor kristi noem is the author of the book not my first rodeo: lessons from heartland. governor thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, appreciated and enjoyed visiting with you. >> if you are enjoying book tv sent for our newsletter using the qr code on the screen to receive the schedule of upcoming programs, author discussions, book festivals and more. book tv, every sunday on cspan2 or any time online apple tv.org. television for serious readers. ♪ oco c-span now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what is happening in washington life and on demand for keep up with the days latest events from a live stream of floor proceedings of hearing some u.s. congress,

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