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>> there are a lot of bobs out there, critical of the performance of the media and the your honorrism industry. why do we need another one and what's different about that? >> well, i guess part of it has jokes in it and hopefully it is an engaging and i hope engrossing reid read. i think i as a journalist do not have much interest in media criticism. it does not -- i have a joke and

it's asbestos abatement and shazardous and you need specialized equipment and best left to the professionals. there's lots ofnk good media criticism and most media criticism is trash. this stuff is, you know, the changes that have gone through our industry in the past 20 years, you know, it's been a there's been a lot going on. we're in a time where people are

hungry for the learning curve and for us to get better and faster. in the book what happened to you at fox news when you were let go after being part of the team that called arizona for joe biden in 2020 earlier than other networks did. you do say it was part of the motivation for you writing the book so explain what happened there and how that fits into the problem that you are identifying. >> so i went into the 2020 election cycle. i didn't understand the way that the world had changed and when

fox called ohio for the obama campaign, i was not getting love notes and i had assumed we were persisting in the consensus that grew out of really the 1990s and the world changed dramatically and media world changed in the 1990s with theis rise of cable news particularly led by fox but internet and we were in the same space and i failed to apprehend were in the same years where viewers, readers, listeners or whatever could be so effectively accosted and flattered and protected. in aa highly segmented media marketplace, there was a lot of incentive for outlets to treat these viewers like little fab ragaini shea eggs and you don't want to tell them things they don't want to hear. how you don't want to impinge on imthe climate controlled reality

that addicted news consumers can maintain and if you want to in america, today, you can rise in the morning and they were good and you were bad and you were smart and they were dumb and you were vir which you say and patriotic and not wrongt but ty were trying to destroy the country. the only thing standing between the united states and oblivion is going to be replaced by a puppet of the communist party and if i tell you that and that's what you hear, you'll be upset and that we understand. we -- the quest for a. right andf

the past six years, the rise of trump coverage during the pandemic coverage of january six, january six itself, all of that points to we have a problem that is it is it is a problem of abundance. right? it is a problem related to too much. but i think we are we're in serious need as journalists and as citizens to do patriotic duty, which is if you love this country. you have to have a that honors the freedoms that we enjoy here. that's a >> that's a fine, broaden assessment of the industry and also an encapsulation-over the book hawaii happened to you? you got canned for doing your work and what happened on fox news?t >> fox news does not owe me a job and they can have anybody they want on their news because it's their news and i'm very grateful for the time that i had

at fox. i spent a mostly happy decade in this building with my dear colleagues, people like the great bill sammon and my boss and the washington journal was a wonderful place to be because, you know, we were substantially left alone to do our thing and it was great to be part of the decision desk and all of that . fox had -- i've heard a bunch about why i got fired. i can tell you i definitely was. that's okay because nobody owes me a job and number two, i know this business and i've been working in this business since i was 17 years old. it is remarkable to me that i have been able since i was a

full-tim journalist in 1998. all of those years i have managed to make a living and support and know how to be a dad and working journalist and all those years to me it feels like i've gotten away with the greatest caper and people would pay me for what i write and n my analysis is totally awesome. i'm not complaining. >> you talk about kind of an accelerating sense of people of news outlets kind of costing theiryo consumers and telling tm what they want to hear. can you tell me about the cable news as spect, and i think we probably all over pay attention and the political news gather at the height at 3.5, 4 million viewers onew the most popular

show. but can you talk about what used toet be something of division between a news desk at msnbc, cnn or fox and even separation to treatment they side with w programming of the evening opinion mongers and there used to be a division and that division seems to be disappearing over time.sa what can you -- for people not familiar with the business, can you spell thatca out a bit? >> at fox, there's a news division and opinion division and they're two separate things and the news division and editorial section and maybe detect a slant in the coverage of this outlet versus that outlet but it's supposed to be

basically usda -- meet usda minimum standards for journalism and always been different for msnbc because they have nbc news and the nbc news doesn't arrange itself around msnbc or hasn't in my experience. it's goal -- it's focused on the 6:00 news. they're thinking about lowessers lester holt and not feeding the beast of cable news. so that -- it's always work add little differently for nbc. that's been to their advantage in terms of resources they have but aing reagency.

they have a new ownership and the objective is back to balance and aspirational fairness and they're trying to unwind a commercial decision that they made. via come instead of donald trump and may be bad for the country and great for via come cbs and keep going donned. haha. i think a lot of networks and fox is included in that and

trump is a ratings bonanza and people were thrilled or terrified and he -- the either -- it was a limbic response from american news consumers >> for a period of time people lost faith in liberal democracy in things like truth seeking for its own sake and against the backdrop of incipient fascism and there's a lot of people in the media who see the rise of trump as being

incipiently fascist or authoritariane and they think when the media needs to do is abandon what they call both sidessism and call out margaret and the editor of the times and washington post column on several years and final column inn august in the washington post. should they fair some of your foreboding about the pop list aauthoritarian wins and why do you think they're wrong in the approach about how to respond in the media? >> well, i will let margaret sullivan in on a little something and readership of the washington post agree withs her. she's already got them.

she is already the loyal subscribers and 70% democrat ick and it's the hometown paper of a democrat democrat ick and do we call washington a big city? the washington post readership is excused liberalism and the histrionic and the post is a goods example of this and when- i forget, i apologize and can't remember the name of the media scholar and journalism scholar saying the w post was optimizing for anger after failing to cash in on the trump bonanza and that's when the post goes to democracy and the click boughtness of the headlines for online consumption go crazy and i chronical in the book how on

the day. the archives and a classical and they've been against the vaccine, which is a haha ha kind of trashy story. that is what -- look. the journalists who believe that we have the power to tell people what to think should remember more likely that our audience will tell us what to think than we to them. we don't have the power -- look, republicans spend a lot, a lot complaining about the media. oh my gosh. and we often hear it because we like it part of us. it may be condemn tour but says

we have power. we don't. what many journalists have sacrificed in thehe era of trum, i harper lanes kin back to a -- harken back to a great speech of chris and well deserved honor and award for excellent journalism he was receiving. but he gave a stern talking to group of very -- how do we say legacy or elite media outlet and a stern talking to about the fact that what we have to do our work is objectivity. i'll remove and we won't be objective and we know that fairness is aspirational and it's something we're not really going to obtain. but it is i'll remove the game that gives us whatever power we do have and it can be true that donald trump represented a

unique threat to first amendment and free press in the united states. that can be true and at the same time it can be true that the press badly, badly botched its response to it because instead of elevating and going back to first principles and basics, down in the mud and that was a big mistake. >> response back from a lot of people in the media establishment if weif can call t that, brian stiltierur and reliable sources program canceled by cnn in august. is that we're living through an asymmetry right now between the two major parties, between the people who support them and that one side is uniquely hostile to the republicans being out there electing people who flat disagree with your call of the arizona vote even today. and they're campaigning on it

and winning in arizona among other places and because of that the normal kind of both sides, republican says this, democrat says that is actually a way to allow people who are liberal in the classical sense of the truth and who are libertarian aims giving them to have equal waits to the side of truth. what's your response to that as an approach. >> david leeanne hart is a good writer and works on economics and i have a lot on through the years and writing a newsletter through the new york times and a while back heon wrote one after the dobbs decision overturning roe v wade and saying this is outis of hand and superseding te appropriate role of congress and i had to laugh because it was

like, oh, now you know how conservatives felt inr the previous 50 years. a lot of what's going on around the things that you described is again, it's true that the aauthoritarian bent inside the republican party is scary intense; right. the yearning for a young man is something that should be concerning to everybody. so there's that piece and it's true but i think part of the problem is that in the media world, the existence of this thing, those people thought the

left was aauthoritarian and the left can do things and progressivism is aauthoritarian and progressive is to the hopes and dreams of humanity and it is the rise of a socialist authoritarian state. they believe that and liberals are going to dig the cheyneys. no, they wantt to put them in prison. what are y you talking about? because of the down represents,

what of the progressives are 20 or 50 years ago and the politics is a worthwhile profession and the man devoting to politics in procession and the hostage/suicide note. >> i think political coverage is awesome. i'm supposed to be the weatherman; right. i'm notpp supposed to be the led

of the news except for when it'e election time. second with chris and see what goofy stuff isti going on in the world. where the polls say and that's fine. what happened over the past 20 years is in my experience is that politics is the shortcut to intensity and politics is the short, short way and toxic negative partisanship and it's not enough national news that really affects all americans talk about all someday. theresn just isn't. how much of the national news is the narrative or nut picking and is it -- if you are conservative

and you live in alabama, let's say florida, here are conservative or republican and live in florida, you're being told about drag queen story taking place in washington state. it can be a big, big story. conversely if you live in washington state, you can hear endlessly about ron desantiss don't say gay bill in florida. it will have no affect on your life, it doesn't affect your kids or their education, but you can hear about it in and be outraged about it if you want or choose. news providers who are trying to provide too much national news. i think a big part of this is local should come first. local should come first. we should think about news in concentric circles around us and there's not that much national

news that a person needs to consume in a day and politics news is one of the only places where national news outlets know they can re-librarily go where -- reliably go where there's meaning and relevance across the country and by the way, it's cheap. it's real cheap to do mtv news and expensive with who he is. time consuming it is and you needed topnotch people to do it and it's not hard and have them in studio and them and the crew and why not do that and so much of what is pretending he's on tv and versions online and that the low nutriative quality food is

junk food and the common journalism and >> there's a demand side problem or issue here as well which often does not get fully explored. can you talk a little bit about what are the mechanics and why do we get to this national versus local conception of politics and deliberate of political coverage and also just just public policy as politics. >> just to give you the idea industry did not reach till oh2005. by the, way, interestingly, peak viewership for television are on average for american household, we've heard a lot about cord

cutting and all of that jazz. it didn't hit its peak till 2011 and something like almost nine lmhours a day. anyway, those industries were really making tons of money well into -- not well into but in the beginning of the 21st century and when the newspaper industry started to collapse in 2005, it fell totally apart and something like $50 billion, $55 billion in lost revenue and it was a 90% or something decline.in when you look at the chart, you just see it's peaking and ad revenue for newspapers is doublingtt pretty reliably every tenye or 15 years going back to second world war that this is working. then falls off the cliff. it fell off the cliff not because of social media and

started with great survey research on this. there's great market research on this. do you remember what's the name of the -- where you could post something you were trying to sell or buy -- craigslist. when craigslist -- they documented. whenws craigslist came to town, newspapers took a beating and living on these classified ads and legal ads and the newspaper industry was badly overleveraged because you could always bar row wsmoney to buy a -- borrow money to buy a newspaper because newspapers were making no joke, 30% profits but it was profits in the low 20% range were expected. so you had all of this conglomeration andl all of these big newspaper chains that bought up newspaper after newspaper after newspaper, but they were heavily leveraged. ....

the book of the bloodbathth of newspaper and news reporters as a category in the american workforce over this. my heart aches for so many friends but i had a newspaper close part of the reason about the disruptions about my career this is an industry people get fired a lot. theyus change whatever for the

newspaper industry responded to these by stupidly cutting content. the thing that gives them a competitive advantage, they had that newsrooms seek local knowledge to do that. they did not do the right thing and they slashed. and so this giant void opens up. the consequences for communities across the country have been in dire. is very persuasive research that said in m communities where it newspaper closed that the cost of a borrowing money a bond issuance goes up dramatically. they can document because nobody is watching. it is known at your county commission meeting boring, sitting there listening to prattle on, you are not going to be as good at running for county, right? and corruption might sneak in a little bit. if nobody is watching i will try to do good and try to help my friend. pretty soon your brother-in-law's got the contract to issue the bogs and you're just not running the

county is will the prices go up. so this a hollowing out in the devastation that rolled through the local news industry, what came in to fill that? well, dumb political national blabbermouth. that came in. we turn the telescope around to it. instead of being focused on what is around us and the news that actually matters in our lives, as it would happen in the 1990s what else was going on? as a local news industry is sinking to the bottom of the ocean what is happening nationally? cable news segmentation. and of course the rise of social media. what filled the voidly was not healthy. and i o think we are only just w coming out of the stupor. there's a lot of goodness on the local news front. there are a lot of good things happening. this is a long painful rebuilding process. quick speaking of blabbermouth's and races to the bottom i think

it is a stiff competition between the journalism industry and congress from the lowest public approval rating of any sector in the country. it might be counterintuitive to some people watching to hear that you think there is a relationship between the abdication a willing abdication of responsibility by congress and the blabbermouth of our politics. you talk about that a little bit? >> lord yes. i did not everid expect to be quoting florida congressman matt yates in a book, but i did. he said in his book and he wrote a book, he said in his book that the real people who run the country are the bookers on cable news network. they are the ones who decide and they really picked the president. they really do this stuff and he

was sneering about them saying these are theatern' nerds from high school, i do not know what kind of nerd matt gates was in high school bourbon the theater department was cool, it was cool. but these people are really running the country. while they ain't, right? they are 27 years old they are trying to their apartment in a slightly sketchy part of hoboken. they are not running anything. the people who are running things, my friend and colleague goldberg used parliament of a pendant. and we have a congress that once my job. edi do not want to do their job. i am not interested in being a member of congress, lord hear my prayer. for my own good and the good of the nation. i am not interested in viewing politics but i get interested in analyzing pitics and talking about political trends and voting trends and how this is faceted by it. but they do not want to do their work they want to get reelected.

the way they want to get reelected is by being famous, being a viral and being on television. and to do those things you cannot do your job well. though it used to work in congress long ago, when the chips were made of wood and that men were made of iron. long ago the way congress worked was people were not paying that much attention to congress, right? it was boring in washington was boring and the coverage was boring. every major newspaper had a bureau in washington on the newspaper chains and bureaus here that would provide coverage. what they would say is senator gave an exclusive interview us here at the boston american-statesman or whatever to talk about what is in the billt' will bring a new dam, a road, or what is going to do. this military base is going to shut down but that waspe going o

be reopened. i had a lot of that news about congress had a local facing feeling. russ was the way to communicate to the folks at home. but that is not necessary anymore. look at ron desantis. ron desantis brokeke every rule for running and a republican primary in florida when he was running against adam putnam. adam part and have done everything right. he had paidco all of his dues, e had served in congress then he got elected statewide's agricultural commissioner. the correct supporters jeb busho everything lined up for adam putnam. the governor florida 2008 temperate what did ron desantis do? he went on fox news. he went on foxas news every dayt seemed like he was there and shows were booking him and he just went on fox. opunder the old thinking this ia

bigan mistake, right? people want you to be in their community pride they want to see you aswh the gator wrestling or whatever they do whatever florida's version of a west virginia ramp dinner or a bean dinner is, that's whether they want to see it's about beingha local and all that stuff. ron desantis did r not do any of that and he crushed it, right? he crushed that primer he was right. the high saturation of fox among the eight republican base for particular in florida were foxes very well and it beats the local newsprint fox beats the local news and a national news and some of the markets in florida. so, that saturation that' desantis went for paid off. now that is a different thing. that is a different kind of thing. people talk about the fox primary on the republican side. i don't think itit is what it is

cracked up to be. i don't think it is as powerful as an foxes supporters and detractors say. but you cannot deny the potency. you cannot deny how much of a part of any republican strategy fox has to be. >> ared right, i want to bite e hand that is currently feeding you. tell us why you think it is a bad idea for c-span2 put its cameras in congress and further why it would be bad for the supreme corporate if you want to dodge all of that may be just into the difference between transparency and accountability for. >> first let me say that i admire brian lamb. and i love his project. i love it c-span set out to do. and by the way, i love the other content on c-span. this is such a privilege for me too get to be on this broadcast. because i watchic it.

i think it is cool. this is a nice treat for me. >> brian lambco is an american hero lester said that for the record go on. that is stipulated. now, i think wete can say and yu can read about this and steep but the red and the blue. talks about newt gingrich and the one minute speech in the house where no one is listening and they go down to the floor. and his one minute speeches. you go down to give a thunderous denunciation of whatever part because of the rules congress set for c-span it looks like you cannot tell they are alone. you cannot tell it's an empty chamber and they're not talking to anybody. it looks like they're saying something that must be important. they are there on the floor of the house. it must be important but it is

not. and there isn't social psychology there is something that is like the psychological version of the heisenberg principle from the hard times by observing something we change it.ou or that stuff. and social psychology we talk about the hawthorne effect. which came from a mccormick electric plant the hawthorne orcs. and they were doingdy a study fr efficiency. i think this was the 20s for the doing an efficiency study about how does lighting affect worker productivity? what they found was for the purchase of the change and light productivity went up everywhere. and then they realize what it was, theus workers knew they wee being observed. in simply because they are being observed they changeha their behavior and worked harder and more efficient because they knew the bosses were watching. c-span had a similar effect in

congress. i do not want to take all the cameras out off congress but i o not want to say that. but the committees,le please, please get the cameras out of these committee rooms. there is a reason the senate intelligence committee is widely regarded as the best one. it is the most bipartisan, the most effective for the stakes are high but also there is no camera. there's nobody to perform for. these apes, when they get up there you put that red light on, tthey see that camera out there they hell that if they get caught being an effective legislator, by the way we heard a lot about how the 2022 republican primaries were a referendum on truck. no denying that. but it was also a referendum on do you want a legislature or do you want an entertainer? you someone who will get things

done and help your district or your state or do what somebody who is going to be a celebrity kind of politician? performative junk one out in my former home district the first district of west virginia they pitted two republican members of congress againstth each other. david mckinley and alex mooney. alex mooney could not get a post office. to my knowledge is had never single accomplishment but he is a firebreathing maga trumps her with david mckinley who has been very effective legislator for his district and is quite conservative. but, because he had voted for and think about this, david mckinley voted for a transportation infrastructure bill that i guarantee you would be popular in west virginia to 70%. and memory of robert seabird west virginians are cool with spending, they really like it. but in that primary that thing

that would've been popular with the general electric was unpopular with the republican voters. they went with mooney over mckinley. and the cameras in those committee rooms guarantee. by the way i want to give special acknowledgment here to the discipline they generate sixth committee was able to muster, right? i was expecting an adam shift disaster, right? performative histrionic, because these guys are mugging for the camera but they do not care if the hearing is good. they want to create the clip they can fund raise off of. they want the story said that it can say ted cruz destroys so-and-so. whoever it is he ends her own no. they went that stuff. and they do not care whether or not the hearing is effective. so we are deprived of the ability of these individuals to

reason together probably want them to reason together prior to want committees to do their work. but instead what we get is noly regular order. hearings and markups are performances not actually reasoningg together. until we haveve a congress that won't be congress. courts are been periods in american politics were a populism that has been associated with new media technologies. you write in the book the dawn of the republic, the mug entrance mud slinging back and forth. it's a great video in my employer about the election of 1800 and how nasty that was. you also talk about at pretty good length about 1930s and the rise of radio and father claflin. hellas how those were broken? is there anything we can glean by the way those populace media fueled moments passed that might

give us something here in 2022 we are still. >> dab in the middle of a populist political moment? >> so radio the rise of radio was really good for bad people. adolf hitler was aided enormously by the rise of radio so that his speeches could be broadcast around germany, around the world. radio was great for dirtbags like you belong and crazy lunatic racist like charles claflin. it was really effective because it allowed them -- met qe claim to have 7 million members in his share our wealth in society. and nbc was giving him a platform each and every week to go on the radio and basically say we are going to confiscate these fortune. q. week loan, a guy who said

people accused him of being a dictator. he darn near was a dictator of louisiana. here's a guide tried both the governorship in the senate seat of the same state at the same time. but you wait long the people, dictate if i post for perfectly fulfilled the wishes of the people, when that looked and off like a dictatorship? i'm at a time in the 1930s were a lot of americans joseph kennedy the future president of the father and ambassador to the port of st. james, charles lindbergh, henry ford, a lot of people were of the mind that the american concept, americanism was finished. he was an archaic system would not work anymore. we needed modern, effective, efficient government. progressivism policy things in the united states at the time there's also rise on theu right

about let's get over these niceties and let's go forha strongmen. and in that time radio is hugely disruptive. it created a space in an emotionally connected way that just was not possible before. you could read a william jennings lion speech you might find it thrilling. the people who read he would not be crucified on a cross of gold in the newspaper later glue it had a magnetic effect and dimension the democrats nominated him by acclamation based on one speech. he was not even in the running. the effect would been minimized on theu country. by the 1930s you go from zero radio in america in 19204 when kik a broadcast first radio station broadcast a result of the 19204 election. there was no one in the radius

of thehe broadcast to hear it. nobody would've had a set that could have tuned in to listen. but they were still broadcasting it. but in 1930 radius 180 or 90% of homes. these hand computers that we carry around with more power than the apollo the computers that that the apollo astronauts to the moon. we carried these things around and we are rightly aware now of the huge disruptions that have followed. but we have to remember that radio itself was probably an even greater disruption. because from time in memorial from the dawn of history the written word of language's was the way we understood each other primarily. the rich and word was we organize ourselves in society.

i was here special big continental like ours it had to be words, written words to get it done. the arrival of the possibility that you could hear adolf hitler screaming wrongs around him with these incredible passion for q. week longs funders denunciations. when you listen to the old tapes that you can find of long claflin it is scary, they are effective. if you get goosebumps because they are effective in that way. and no one in the world -- this was totally new. the disruptions from television one intensification of that. but the real breakwater comes with radio. it took us a long time. think about this by the time, i forgot which are orson welles and war of the world i forget.

folks are stepping damp towels under their door to the martian death gas does not get into her house. it would more than a decade in iraq with super sophisticated consumers off radio. it is taking us a long time to get good at these hand computers we are carrying around. on this new way of consuming news and media. but i do believe we are at least through the first part. the first part is acknowledging where little screwed up here. and that corrections are necessary. people have different ideas about what corrections are necessary and what are the right steps to take. but we least i thought we got to adapt of acknowledgment. what you don't really get into it much in your book. curious to get your reaction. there's beenti a defection, youo talk about how like posttrauma,e

postelection a lot of ratings and audience crater -- a lot of media institutions because people think god got back on to other pursuits in their lives. there is but also a defection of the talent brain drain a lot of legacy media institutions. not everyone got pushed out the door. but a lot of people felt like they were about too. and they started their own. you see arise particular in podcast, joe romanization on lives in on some t stack. do you see something encouraging there or at least analytically interesting as people go from her childhood model of, you subscribe to the newspaper or two or three that's part of your >> duty. the seeker we view subscription model has withered away. we have much more i like an affiliate i trust this person

even if i disagree with him or her. i will be happy to give them ten bucks. >> the immediate scholar called post journalism. in post journalism is a strong emotional connection with your audience. in the old days is top down. we have information we are going to deliver it to you. what either going to sell the attention you're paying us to advertisers or you're going to pay us a subscription and that will give you access to the information we have. now the energy goes the other direction which is the audience has feelings, out to people of so many feelings oh my gosh. and they have strong feelings and they want to see their feelings reflected back at them from the outlets or providers they choose.

and these podcast and i have a podcast and i work for the dispatch which is on some stack. i'm certainly not exempt from them. this is even narrower. it's sort of like when you get together a group of libertarians for in to aer group of libertarians together with guys like no, no, no i am actually like eight social welfaresa libertarian it was okay with base and you're likely what? i thought you guys were libertarians. no, this is the niche of the niche of the niche that i'm in politically. you can said that for progressives and sete for anyby we define ourselves down very narrowly we are highly engaged news and politics.

i think in the long run will all be dead. no. in the long run things go through periods of consolidation. and they go through periods of atomization. for a long-term highly consolidated news business basically the end of the seconda world war to pick your date. but saint 1996 or 1997. the world with the baby boomers grew up in highly, highly consolidated. and then it all fell apart. and is been going on for 25 years or so this falling apart. what will come out on the other side will be another consolidation, right? you're saying it already and local news if you look at what's going on local news business people are buying up the refuse. they are purchasing theal

shattered remains of newspapers. sometimes they are investment doing toti journalism. other times you that url. the consolidation is happening nonetheless. you can see it will sit on the subsecond things like that. i read an interview with on the sub founders who is talking about how we are looking at having bundles we can pay one rate you'll subscribe to multiple different sub >> for different points of view and for different coverage areas. and i said like a newspaper is that what you mean? you will curate a group of worthwhile information for me too consume? i'm getting there is a falling apart coming together falling apart coming to a phenomenon. colectomy to claim your quotes terribly out of context and the book and how we respond to it. you say we have become a nation of moral imbeciles.

what are you talking about? how does morality fit into the whately participates, consumable politics and news about politics? >> most important moral judgment thatut we make are not about our enemies, moral judgments that we make but about our friends. the most important moral judgments that we make about this, i am pretty comfortable about what i think about vladimir putin, right? i have strong and clear feelings about vladimir putin's character, got it. where it is important though is to police your self. and yourus organization, the people you agree with and what we have because of the sideload media. so let's say you only watch fox. are you only watch msnbc.

the events at donald trump's florida home and club are happening in two totally different worlds, right? on one side it is a raid by a lawless justice department bent on destroying donald trump. it is the scandal of thec century. you're watching the other feed you are being told that the virtuous heroic justice department and the eminently good merrick garland his middle name is fair is there to do only the work of the people. and by the way guys, it's really much bigger than ts. it was interesting to watch much of left facing media made the same mistakes with trump that they did throughout the mueller investigation. my friend and one of my idols said about the allegations of

collusion with russia in reference to the trump tower meetings the russian operative for the express purpose of getting dirt on hillary clinton. charles and kay said, botched collusion isfa still collusion. it was evident and obvious on its face for trump second impeachment or first impeachments are egg at the mall mixed up. trump's first impeachment. it was there on its face purdue did not need there is no probe that was necessary. we have the transcript of donald trump using his office and using the power of the pgeirt on his . he was using his office. you could say if you are a republican i see it and many republicans did see it i disapprove of it, but i don't think it rises to the level of impeachment p i'm going to sam going to pass. that is fine. but a lot would not get to that

point. because we do not get the correct inputs. too many of us are not hearing views that respectfully disagree with our own. the two sites and this is true, how preposterous for cnn and fox to have media there substantially criticize each other cnn canceled their show. give to remote rivals in the. well, okay fine. but cnn says about farms boxes but cnn has no the other side because nobody is hearing it. we become morally imbecilic for a lot of reasons and o part of t has to do with the mob mentality social media connectedness allows the power of that.

it's also because not media diet we are not hearing respectful honest criticism in the way that we should. we should be hearing from voices that make us a little uncomfortable. so i tell people the news you consume an immediate you consume your life does not make you a little uncomfortable from time to time, then you need to very poor diet. you should not walk away every day and said yes all of my prayers are correct. everything that i think is true i am good and they are bad. >> will even though the book is broken news by the media rage machine divides america and how to fight back by chris. thank you so much. thank you everyone for watching sports eastmont i am matt welch. ex- american history tv

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