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>> c-span now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what's happening in washington live and on-demand. keep up with today's biggest events with live streams of floor proceedings appearing some years congress, white house events, the courts, campaigns and more from the world of politics all at your fingertips. you can also stay current with the latest episodes of "washington journal" and find schedule information first c-span's tv networks and c-span radio app plus a variety of compelling podcast. she's been available at the apple store and google play. download it for free today. c-span now, the front rosita washington anytime anywhere. >> host: do democrats intentionally lie, deceive and mislead people, especially when it comes to black conservatives and the republican party? >> guest: well, since ellison

has answer these questions in his new book, "25 lies: exposing democrats' most dangerous, seductive, damnable, destructive lies and how to refute them." and he joins us on apple. welcome. >> guest: glad to be hip. >> host: what you say to every day, particularly black americans who may be skeptical about you and your book, and just explosive cover? >> guest: i give them my back story. i was born on a cotton plantation and haywood county tennessee. my father was a sharecropper. plowing mule, picking cotton. and he aspired. he bought us out of the plantation of haywood county tennessee to the insurance industry. and he was so thankful that god had given us a middle-class life that we've started a gospel singer. we went on whole south singing gospel music all around the self. self. this is how i got to the intimate knowledge of the black

church. after that that in which ae university of memphis and after that a story working in prison and succulent. five years i worked at kirkland correctional institute have solved the belly of the beast of us are evil. i understood it. i was supposed to supervise 127 hard-core felons every day. they were alphas. and i was most the time there by myself. in order to survive i had to understand someone want to kimmitt, the upcoming like me. i understand people and a slot in there. but i cite lot of young black men during the clinton crime bill, clinton biden crime bill. why did john blackman get locked up like this? they started with three prisons in 1990. 1990. they had 40 by the end of the decade. they told me it was a bunch of rich white republican to say to black people. i left my posts started working in the ghettos and i found myself something pretty interesting. i saw no rich white republicans gather in the ghetto if you can see a leprechaun before you saw one. guess what i saw? bunch of black democrats and

three entities that i i saw mg money off the chaos was most like features, most black politicians, both black said organizers, i called him down triangle. that was my first book. this is its equal to this. as i studied and saw these cats were connected to the democrat party and found out that their number one goal was to make sure they get 90% of the black vote for the democrat party, treatment, full stop. i hook or by crook. that's what they've been doing for the last i mean they are just for me there's a sense of the old slave massacre. >> host: in one of the chapters you talk about god won't hold you responsible. it's a play on words. but what are you saying when you look at you and you talk about this in your book, the high crime, the homicide and how it's just so heavily concentrated and these communities. you actually believe there's a connection between the leadership who have relinquish their moral and obligation and

their leadership obligation to make sure that the new plantation you keep them as slaves, to keep them indepu make them believe that there's always racism and so there's no need of trying because you're going to be pushed back and discriminate against especially when you're all these other race cases that juicy which reinforces it in their mind, but uses as leverage to for the sake the white men will never allow you to progress and, therefore, let sdg because you cannot beat or subcontractor i call it old plantation is in. it's just an old play on the old show. they have the man picking votes and have these people demoralized. when a person is demoralized they can't hear the truth. the soviet union did that to the people just beat them down and beat them down and the schools are terrible. they destroyed every institution from the father to the education system to the economic system. you name it they done it but they've always done it. the democrat party from 1800 up

to now has been a perpetually probably the evilest institution on the face of this earth. let's look at the history. from 1800-1860 slavery, from 18651865 the confederacy killed millions, almost a million americans to keep their slaves. then they destroyed reconstruction. just killed people, maimed people come on people. after reconstruction what, 100 years of jim crow. systematically stole the election, intimidated, robbed, murdered, anything to keep power. and do think after the 19 sake of of civil rights act they just change their way? no. now they expanded it. abortion, atheism, socialism. and if you want to know the democrat party go to the ghettos. go to the inner city it was you everything you need to know about. >> host: so you are accusing the democratic party of genocide without firing a bullet? >> guest: definitely. they know it. they have stats in front of them. just like you and and i havm

they see what they're doing. school choice would be too easy with them to educate asian people in the schools of baltimore, detroit and memphis. they are not learning anything and they know it. they know the education choice. it's something that works because it's worked in washington, washington, d.c. it's worked in new orleans. they know it work. that's why they won't do it. they know they can do it for half the cost of public education that they won't do it because the one thing that scares them or anything like freddie douglas said is educated black man. they cannot control him. keep them ignorant. keep them frightened. keep them under control. and so what's the answer? i say it's an intervention. >> host: so how are they, i know you do with this in your book, how are they so successful no matter what area we find ourselves in, just targeting one community, black community works doesn't work for the jewish american, doesn't work for catholics, the imus, the

italians. why does it work so well with the overall, in your opinion in reading a book, the black community? >> guest: we've been a science expanded to them for 200 years. their whole concept of being was to keep us under control and to learn how to do it through demoralization. beat them down. so stockholm syndrome sets in. it's not a condemnation. it's an explanation. patty hearst, got stockholm syndrome did she start helping the people that kidnapped her rob banks. if you fight with your oppressor. and even during the civil war when the northern armies came down to free the slaves get 95% of them are still on the plantation. he didn't leave. as matt effect and graham lincoln had to issue emancipation proclamation because of slaves in the south when the civil war, they were digging the trenches and put up the ramparts for them. and even when they did the senses in 19 93,090% of black

90% of like people still live down south. didn't leave. then what this is a fascinating point that our guests, a coalition he makes in his book, is when you have the potential to remove god, remove faith, remove accountable and responsible to higher authority, the reason why you stress the atheism and the lack of morality in your book is because you make it clear that blacks were once a very moral, striving community. they were a blessed community despite human slavery, they journey segregation of the civil rights movement. that stuff they held onto but once they're able to remove that pillar and replace god with materialism with things and dependency that's when they begin to experience some of the most successful results instead of continue to demoralized that community tragedy exactly. look, we've always been poor. we've always a poor black people but we were not criminals. we're not killing each other.

we were not just when our families. when the civil rights movement activated and the liberals from the democrat party kind of decided it, my goodness, they get inside of the black church and they made it just a conduit to the democrat party. politics became part of the black church and it never should have been. the black preachers job any preachers job cs lewis said is to get is prepared to live for eternity in the presence of jesus christ. that's his job. we got politicians. we got lawyers but when you are talking about god and jesus christ, see, i tell people i cannot be oppressed and i cannot believe in systemic racism because i'm an arab error s christ. i'm a son of god. i never met anybody superior to me. why? because he teaches us that we are all brothers and sisters, that we all have gifts at that were supposed to elevate each other's gifts. when we elevate each of us gets is supposed to deal with envy, jealousy, income inequality, better house that i got, you go

to better schools and i go to. no. think about you. elevate your gift. help your neighbor elevate his gift and then guess what happens. happens. we have a beautiful society. a good doctor helps everybody. a great mechanic helps somebody. a great cook, a great teacher helps everybody. instead there try to get us to come america down by saying critical race three means that you some type of superiority over me and, therefore, i want you to give up your privilege. i was born with privilege. i had two great cards, a great family. i was born an american. that's a privilege. pac-man they tried to tell me that being born white is a privilege. i said being born black is a privilege. >> host: but they don't want you to believe that trick you know. then i was born with the greatest privilege being an air of jesus christ the says you're not under anybody. anything you need i got you. they don't want us to go back to that because once we do that the fighting stops, the ignorant stops, the jealousy, hatred, all

of this photo shows that makes us to one another will stop but they will lose about. >> host: another interesting chapter in your book, pick up on what you're saying now, when you talked about the lgbtq and equality and you shall great respect, human beings. no one should be discriminate against no one should be harmed in any kind of way because of the preference but you also point out in your book very eloquently how this is become marginalized for the black unity to do what they do is they use their pain for the game, the democratic party does the same way to do us. they say we can help you to achieve whatever it is you want and i tell them no. you achieve it by earning the respect of the people around you. it happens. we go back to our bible. kane had been rejected, , is offered been rejected by god. cain was angry that at his brother abel. god said why are you angry? if you do well, would you not be

accepted? and if not, sin makes a massive you when you must master it. if you do well, will you not be accepted? the ceo of apple tim cook done well. accept it. when you do well they will raise -- they give much tickertape parade in york city in 1934-35. this is before all the marching and all the -- joe louis knocks out max smelling at yankee stadium, and in all of the can celebrate him because he did well. i'm telling the lgbtq community don't get caught in that device. of trying to use the law of coercion to make america like you. it didn't work for us. change the hearts of the people. be respectful. talk to god. if you're happy with yourself, that is enough. >> host: another fascinating point i really encourage people

to go out and buy your new book, the "25 lies." you go heavy on how important morality was for the civil rights community when it was desperately needed. king was moral. they never compromise the more leadership. where is that moral leadership today and our elected officials and the pulpit? >> guest: wow. armstrong, is amazingly sad. you know, i look at it and it's hurtful because we have to have examples of how best to live. and our children aren't getting it. matter of fact some of the worst behavior in the world has been held up as proper. and i'm looking at this and it worries me so have to stay in constant communication with my daughter and with my children, and i'm explained to them this is not proper. this is not right. our ministers should do a better job of connecting our children up with god.

what, putting first in all things will come after. he said i'll be lifted up all draw all men unto me. lift him up and no matter where you are in life when you're starting out if you got a job working at walmart making $20,000 $20,000 a year you'll be happy and you move up for the because you're honest, you're good, your clink of your kind. those of the intangibles that will look you up and finish you move up at walmart if you would go somewhere else people say he's a a good man, she's a god woman. yes, they are good at what they do it if you do well you will be accepted and the mixing in a you will be like my mother, my father who came out of poverty because they were good people. they were honest people. they worked hard. people had a good word to say about them. it's not waking up one morning and you're rich. you know it's a grind, isn't it? it's a grind. we have to teach them about the grind and the klein is the thing that makes it so beautiful. start out, honey, work hard, be honest and our ministers have to keep teaching our children apart

of the thing that the need to teach them because they are not good at the other. one minister telling me you just want black people to get their golden heaven. what about you, making them broke up earth and you sent them to the same time. you're screwing up on both ends. at least to the one part right. teach them how to have the peace of god here on earth. teach them to love one another. and teach them to love themselves because once you love yourself it doesn't matter how the white man feels about you or how these other people that's why tell the lgbt community love yourself. think that the greatest love of all? >> host: so in your book you really chart out with facts have the big switch started in 1960. >> guest: people believe the big switch started in 1960. i think that all the way back to the election of 1876 when the whole southern part of the united states of america went blue, when democrat.

that one distant this is what continues after lincoln was assassinated. you had a lot of black people voting for the democratic party didn't and they had a plan for it. it was called the mississippi plant and a softer line or plane, intimidation robbery, murder, stuffing ballots. look it up, get the book, mississippi south carolina plan was out of democratic party and are still doing in the city satellite plant even today. people say they started voting for the republican, the democrat party in 1960. i say no. let's look at something here because call the civil rights, right? no. in 1956, 1957 eisenhower and nixon to make republicans civil rights act in 1960 the past the making 60 so protected basically designed for black people down south could vote. eisenhower also sent the 101st airborne down to make sure the little rock nine got into

central high school in little rock, arkansas. he also did the first oval office address on civil rights in the history of this nation. so people want to start talking the civil rights of black people paying attention to summarize they wouldn't have voted for kennedy johnson. he would've voted for eisenhower-nixon. eisenhower was stepping back. so what happened? eisenhower-nixon did all the civil rights stuff. about four or five many black people are registered vote down south and protected. i tell the story my grandfather registered vote in 1960. they kicked him off off the cotton plantation where he was in tennessee. the fbi came down and told them he didn't have to go anywhere. eisenhower and nixon sitting down to say we pass this new law to say they cannot intimidate or hurt you anymore. you are going to vote. by grant by the voted a thing, he voted straight democrat. i asked my father why. he said black folks did what white folks told them to do. even then and at the end of that

campaign that than 80% 80% k people had voted for the democrat party. now people say that all of these democrats switch to republican. fritz hollings stated democrat, george wallace dated the democrat. although southern governors all the southern centers on one switch and that was strom thurmond. only one. the rest of them stay democrat forever and black people voted for them. so when i started asking the question why did this happen, they goes back to stockholm syndrome. he goes back to cognitive dissonance. it makes perfect sense. you have been oppressed, you been beaten down for 400 years. of course you're going to take on the characteristic of your master. plus if they're just been paying attention to the civil rights movement we were fighting, bleeding, dying shot by water hoses, bit by dogs come eat hamburger beside them, drink on the decided to go to school beside them. of course when it came to vote

were going to vote with them. makes perfect sense. >> host: why are blacks so skeptical about the republican party? >> guest: arm start, back in 1992, a good friend of yours lee atwater was over the rnc. george bush should just become president. he's looking at the map and we, the republican party hadn't had power in the house of representatives in 40 years. he said we've got to get, got to start working on redistricting. he said we think that the numbers to change the state house votes on that. lee said let's see if we can get the black caucus to vote on our existing plan. if they vote on our plan will give them these majority black districts and we won't run anybody in these districts. we won't help anybody run against them. perpetuity.

they bought that to the blog tech as an said were going to double your number in the state houses, we're going to give you majority black congressional districts that will double your number in the congress what do you say? they said you got a deal. the republican party pulled out of the black community. the black democrats came in and for 30 years they were nothing but lies the peer because we don't find the candidates to run down to whether they be black. white is irrelevant. if you could south carolina and run in jim clyburn statistic you will not get any funding from rnc no matter how good you are. they dry up the funding and so now for 30 something years you had a people down there that effort nothing but lies. likely could sit in his cooper union address. he said that your slaves will barely know that a republican party existed except for the lies you tell about them into present. >> host: but it is vice versa. >> guest: both of them do. >> host: i want to come back, i think your voice is so important.

that's why i'm honored to be a part of this interview on "after words." you know, race, you can find racism in everything that america today. what do you say when you look at trayvon martin, you look at george floyd, breonna taylor, everything is about race for the mainstream media when it involves a white officer and some do is black. and it really doesn't tell the whole story. how do you get black americans, and whites to another extent, ,o see that it's not always about race? and what is the media, you talk about this in your book, obsession, is that it sells? is it that they're part of the divide? is it that they're being controlled by some larger interest that we are not aware of? >> guest: they have an agenda and they know that in order to keep their power we have to vote, black people had to vote 90%.

they know it. they know they cannot lose a black vote. a will burn this country down before they do it. you and i know the truth about trayvon martin and about george floyd. they tried to put hate crime on derek chauvin. he's going to be in jail for the rest of his life for what he did. it was wrong but they couldn't prove it was racial but it didn't matter. they set this country on fire, it was his behavior. >> guest: i agree. was wrong. that's exactly right and that's all i saw it and they made it racial and to black people this is america lord have mercy they're going to turn us back. they're going to turn us back in the did and there are young black people out there, talk to young black person 23, 24, four, 25. they think it's the same as it was back in the 1950s. the democrats can never make us believe that we're in a postracial america where merit can move you to the top. you have proof of that. merit, hard work, grinding. when joe biden comes out and he

says i get the supreme court is i need to nominate. he couldn't sit easily i'm going to find the best justice in america and he could've walked out with ms. ketanji brown jackson said this is the best jurist i could find and we would all applaud yeah, that's beatable. a black woman has finally transcended. he couldn't do that. i'm going to give this to a black woman. this is old slave master talk. you can't earn it. everything you get comes from me. there's affirmative action program is a so because they are allowing the very people they say a racist, they are allowing them to determine what black people are elevated, yet judge jackson's credentials are just as stellar, nominee to the court. >> guest: and he wanted people to believe. >> host: why would democrats marginalize her? sympathy gushes black? >> guest: they want people under black people to understand you can't deserve it. everything you get come for me. black people can work in in a

cotton field and in the field or whole season and at the in the master will give them what he wants them to have. >> host: how is republican party any better? >> guest: the only thing that makes the republican party any better is a fact that they do not have in their platform the murder of children, the destruction of the family, the fact that they are against religious liberties. we got to understand something that there is a divide in america lgbtq and the church and the state and all this kind of stuff, and you have people like you and and i believe in res liberty. you don't have to agree with me. >> host: but why can't the republican party with always 25 lies that you discuss so well researched in your book, why don't they capitalize on it? you would think, where the blacks were, were, huge part of the republican party almost 80-90%. why is an opportunity and no gain for the gop? >> guest: same reason that gerrymandering think i just told you about.

they have to be able to stay out and to keep their word. right now they're trying to his districts again they've drawn some and right now they're saying the gop is going to take the house again. as long as they keep their deal is on the black hawk keeps their part of the deal the gop will keep their part of the deal. >> host: but there's all this transcend politics. it's for the good of the country, the good for unity of the nation? >> guest: politics won't fix this. this is something that will have to come out of the christian community, muslim community, the jewish community and also the american spirit. there's time for an intervention. the same with we are all upset because russia is invading the country of ukraine. why? because it is a moral, it is wrong. they are killing innocent people. were going to put sanctions on them. the same thing needs to happen here. we should not support any politician that is going to do those ghettos and sang we are not supposed to support school choice or the we're just people

in a warm zone or they will restrict your religious liberty or allow people to come over the border and bring fentanyl and sex trafficking into those areas. we're not going allow this anymore. we are the americans and christians who say i'm not going to allow you to hurt my brother or my sister any longer. i'm doing fine but are not going to allow you to my fellow americans any longer. when you let people understand like a second first chapter you will be held accountable. if you know you're an elected politician that are killing people, that are killing children, that are trapping children in failing schools, that are restricting religious liberties that allows sex trafficking and drug trafficking to come over that border that are actually harming individuals on purpose, you will be held accountable. so i'm saying to america is signed for an intervention. this book is a the politicians are not going to change it. we can't be liberals expecting politics to change our situation here we go back to our bible, we go back to our personnel the trauma you mention ukraine and found it fascinating when zelensky as people from around the world two, and he would arm

them. you talk about the second amendment. why, you know, the biggest demographic getting conceal and carry our african americans. why is the second amendment so important? >> guest: frederick douglass said a man without the ability to fight back without power is not a man. he said that that human nature is constructed with a cut respect a weakened. he said they can pity him and only there for a time. you cannot be free and that you can defend yourself. we see what happened with the george floyd riots. democrat mayors told the police to stand down while people came to kick people's doors down and rob them. tell them to please to stand down. we see with going on ukraine another country invaded and their government doesn't have the ability to defend them. it is a natural state of power

and this is something that makes me angry, armstrong, a talk about the biggest, and america right now with the black community is not racism. it's blackmail cowardice. it's as black men not defending our families not defending our neighborhoods. not just defending, we have the provocateurs of violence. shooting, kelly, carjacking, smash and grab, selling dope, won't work out what they give her children are just acting like fools. it takes bravery and strength for a man to get up and go to work everyday, bring his money home, take care of his wife and children taken to church on a weekend. take care of his family. that's bravery. and what we have now is a bunch of cowards going on the sykes of being what people are explaining it away. racism -- >> host: you also talk about feminizing man. emasculation of men, making men forget about what their roles

are and that is important. >> guest: it is. look, strong father, my dad had a gun in a corner of the bedroom. nobody bothered me when i was growing up. nobody. my dad was -- >> host: icon and a glove compartment. >> guest: just in case come just in case. these were men that understood and nobody bothered them because they understood they were just men like that. see, now they want to feminize men and make them believe that being a man is something that anything you want to call them. there's a definition to it anymore. whatever you want to call it that's what it is. when you and i grew up understand there was a definition. >> host: when you and i grew up estimates and we need to take maternity leave, we laugh at them. >> guest: no, i got to work. no, you know, it was a thing that we grew up with, your to fight in the neighborhood. your daddy tell you to come in

-- anthony kennedy fought with usually became a best friend, right? we grew up during a time where you had to be tested, you played sports come you fought with your brothers, your daddy said go outside and finish it. all right, get a of what come back inside y'all are fine. now they want men, we want you to cry. >> host: not everything was about mental illness. >> guest: no, no, no. you fight through that. strong. you fought through it. it was about discipline. you were looked upon as a man when you could control yourself. when you could control yourself and you understood that you're supposed to talk what everything a public. >> host: and also you and i had mothers and grandmothers that a ten and 12 kids and once they give birth to that kid they were back in the field. >> guest: you better believe it. you worked by mama told me no woman wants to cry man. straighten your face. straighten up. it was about control. christie and is about

conformity. life is for a lot of families concerns about conformity. control yourself. i'm tired. get the job done. i'm scared. fight through it. they should fear. i'm angry. you better not future sister. it didn't matter. you control yourself. that was a what you are supposed to be. ansi and that was also it was reinforced in school that you would never swear about your parents. >> host: you wouldn't never wear a hat at the dinner table and pants hanging down. >> guest: there was a decorum that had respect your father and your mother them out how old you got. when you came to my daddy dorsey attorney to 12 years old again and should act like -- if i come tomorrow, tell me that both the yard, yes, sir. it's the respect. it's the honor. it's knowing what right looks like, and right now nobody knows what it is. >> host: you know, there's so much that were covering that's

in your book, but you also talk about that you can see that this progress it because what you don't, i don't know if people get that i would want to get this across in his new book, "25 lies," what you are advocating is so different what's been advocated to us through our faith, through the ten commandments, that there's a higher being. there such thing to you as lack conservatism. there's a certain thing to you as a right way to live under one way to live and if you live this way if you have a certain virtues and values, you end up pretty good in life. >> guest: yes. >> host: and you don't put a color to it. >> guest: no. look up what scares me is there now try to take, they taken community almost destroyed and spread this to the what committee. that's what security is trying to make white people hate themselves, your races, , you're an oppressor, junior good. they will start looking in the mirror and say i'm no good. remember when hip-hop stuff

started coming through. we didn't use the n-word. so when he came out we heard it, a kind of that's terrible and it got rolled back but the children started using it. we have children 35 years old now. not a look at each other and the hate one another because the girls would use the n-word, and you're like why these children so hateful? where they so full of anger? everything, sex, envy, murder, materialism all of it. that's them. that's the party. if you don't have what you're supposed to have because somebody somebody victimize you and your upper right to go take it from them. our ten commandments is a beautiful document. >> host: if your father saw you looting louis vuitton or some other store. >> guest: he would be so hurt. when i heard that joe biden, his

son, bose wife and his son hunter got to get he said he's glad they found each other. i got half four brothers. my daddy would've called right to my house. >> host: no father would've said that. something you talked about in your book because i want to take full advantage of this hour we have with you, something you talked about crt making white people feel guilty and questioning themselves. and you talk about black lives matter. they didn't necessarily give them the money because they believe in the calls. it was guilt. in any case how do you -- they just want to feel good about themselves. >> guest: that's all it is. it's a virtual signaling. george floyd, what happened, everybody seemed bad about it and some in this white liberal mind they think they're responsible. like with their children, like you have a very rich parent that kind of grew up and the child ended up at anderson it's r fault we didn't raise them right. a lot of these rich liberals

have such a messiah complex that they actually believe that they have control over our lives and because we didn't turn out well they can change it. i had this white liberal tell me the black man will do well if the whiteman would get his foot off his neck. i looking at said look at me and you think you can hold me down? his face turned ashen white picket hammered never d that. >> host: you told him as a human being. >> guest: a human being. do you think you can hold me down? had the arrogance job a lot of these liberals actually say that that we have to do more to welcome we had to do more. everything is a government program to help. would you please stop helping me? cool hand luke, we stop helping the boss. a lot of them understand what they're doing is control. it's absolute control. >> host: you don't think they mean well but it is misguided? >> guest: i think there's some that do. some are misguided and some are just evil. >> host: in your book you talk

about abortion and choice and how the disproportionate number of young black women abort their kids and yet they regret the depression, sometimes the suicide that follows. >> guest: it's a shame because what they've done, my wife is an attorney and one i talked with his talk the concept of cause, the whole legal concept of calls for jesus and anyone who causes one of these young women -- and millstone tied around their neck. so how did my great-grandmother have 16 children? 14 children. my grandmother had 16 children. my mother had seven and of his generation abort. it was justice brandeis who set for good or for ill people full example of government. okay, it's okay. now it happens? we're supposed to close the gap with the church with civic organize and with politicians.

they know it's not okay and instead we didn't. instead the black churches started saying it's okay. then the black politician started think it's okay. then the black civic organizer starts think it's okay. they go to school and talk to the school teachers and ms. it's okay. these young lady started getting the okay from people in society who are supposed to tell them the truth. he who causes, and they were calling these young people to sin. you are all that remember when you start putting condoms and birth control in school and we told them him we think thil cause children more sex. we seem what's happened. >> host: they knew what would happen. >> guest: that was their goal. now what do the due course they put these abortion factories in the black community and the cell body parts. they make money from it. it's not the five and don't make it per abortion. it's not the $500 million they get from planned parenthood. this is $60,000 they get for body parts and are using us again to make money. the black community is just a money laundering machine. public education doesn't work.

they just send as much money as you can see paid teachers and unions and the money goes back. >> host: continuing martin's legacy. you talking about ananova here touched on this, for young people listening and watching our conversation today and learning about your book, "25 lies," why is education the foundation of it all? >> guest: could you imagine going to this world not knowing how to read? wouldn't that be tragic? wasted talent. the most terrible thing that could ever happen in this world, the child that could properly cure cancer or make a beautiful symphony or be a great mechanic, they are not teaching these children to read here and when you can't teach a child to read, when you don't teach them to read or have moral instruction you destroy their life. and in the ghetto there so much wasted potential. and it's wasted because it

doesn't have to be that way. it doesn't have to be that way. all they have to do is go tell him other that has two or three sons, the school down the street in baltimore that will educate your children. they will make men out of them. these men black men and white men asian men will teach your son how to stand up straight, teach them how to treat his mother with respect to teach about his god, teach him reading writing arithmetic is history. when he grows up he will start taking care of you. he won't the award of the state. he won't go to jail. we will guarantee it. it's just that easy. you and i both know a private black school that do that. they're very successful. they know of them and they refused to let it happen that's why i say they are evil. >> host: what about the playground in the classroom where kids spit on teachers, assault teachers, disrespect them, use abusive language towards them? and now you can't suspend these

kids from school. >> guest: that's why the private school system is much more pork. it takes a government out of that. it will allow the parent to take their children to meant for the teachers that they trust. >> host: but, you touch on this, , you can only allow thiso happen if not only do you want to destroy public schools but you want to destroy the learning process. >> guest: there is. >> host: is that intentional? >> guest: it has to be. it's too ridiculous. you cannot teach anybody without discipline and security. i mean, when the green berets jumped into the middle of the jungle they put up a secure perimeter. you have to security, gift of discipline. they know that. but they had this crazy idea of the world weather don't want these children disciplined because if there disciplined they can't control them. these people from harvard, yeah, oxford they are no stupid people. they know exactly what they're doing. they know.

the moynihan report told him what was going to happen. the look at statistics that said we had the lowest birthrate in the history of our nation last year, and the trend have been going down for seven straight years. america is dying. they know it. and they are full steam ahead with abortion, i i read the sy and they're celebrating it. they were saying that our generation lgbtq might be one or 2%, and this generation between the ages of 17 17 and maybe s maybe about 17%. and they're celebrating it an unsafe this is why we're dying because you've taken 17% of the population and taken it out of child rearing. how do you take 17% out of your population out of birthing children think you're going to survive as a nation? and then you are teaching children at an early age that people that are legitimate lgbtq, your teaching them to get involved in in a lifestyle tt might not be conducive to them.

>> host: and not who they are tragic and not who they are. >> host: it doesn't mean -- >> guest: they are encouraging it. they're trying to get little children to a sex change operations before their 18 1s old. this is insanity. grown man going into public bathroom with little girls. now when i go out with my daughter i to stand aside the bathroom door to make sure no makers in with her and it so i'm going to break the law. >> host: it's important with the time with left of which are talking about now transcends blackness and every thing else because your book is not saying, and people need to understand this, that many blacks in this country civilized, symbolizes what is wrong with america. no, that's not what he's saying. you are talking about behavior. you're talking about a moral code. you talk about what happens when a nation is not educated. we are, you're talking what happens when the government stands down and allow crime to be pervasive.

you talk about what happens when the government does not have standards and no responsibility. you talk about when the government gets involved in this political correctness which is data middle to the fabric and the exponential growth of this country. >> guest: yes, and the democrat party has made the black community their petri dish for it. they say were going to do down here and see if we can control these people with all the stuff and a half. this knowledge expanded, let's do like the soviet union did. let's see if we can put all over the world. and so now they started to expand this into all of america. all of it, all of it comes young people, legalize it. marijuana drugs prostitution you name it. everything that's bad they're trying to legalize it and would try to tell people stop. stop. we are all americans. we are protected. we protect ourselves number one but the constitution is is i to tell us how the law is supposed

to help us protect ourselves. we are americans. lgbtq, lack, white, asian. there's a way to live. we don't have to all agree but i have told my children, my wife and i after missing my wife my children be rude or crewed anybody. lead that person alone. you have no right to be mean to that person can be disrespectful to that person. there is no virtue, armstrong, in us being what they say christianity nonviolence as christian virtue. it is not. nonaggression is a christian virtue. >> host: what you say, this is what happens when government tries to replace god, and just remove him, when you speak about god you mentioned jesus, people think you're weak intellect that you. >> guest: on that site people out of everything. you can't say to school, the public square. they will put the ten commends up in work but they --, no

prayers and school. >> guest: but they will bring in the drag queens and what not to read to the children. they will bring in all, you can have the bible and library at the bring in all kinds of other nasty books for children to read. >> host: and you can't fill kitted more. just make them all feel good into the get out and face reality. >> guest: we know have a good we no longer have policy disagreement. this is about curriculum. this is about a party that is his best to try to destroy this nation. three straight times in a row from slavery to confederacy to jim crow another doing it again with socialism and atheism. it's very subtle, very seductive. if you depend on the out give you everything you need. they are taking god placed not prosecuting crime, no mail, defund the police and doubly not going to defund the police if they ever get in power again because this is how you have to make insecure, but then they want anarchy. >> guest: yes. if they get anarchy that

control. see when people are afraid when people have no security, when people are trying to survive that's when he turned to government. >> host: in reading your book you also know their best laid plans that they forget the little things. it can't work in the long run. america can't survive. >> guest: and armstrong i'm thinking you an accretion and we believe in satan can we please he runs this earth. i believe he's trying to take this nation out. america, the whole world in the, all over. the whole world looks at a consent wow, wow, america is a dream. >> host: shining city on the hill. >> guest: everybody wants to come here because of a system that we have created here. he destroy it. he has to make as timid. yes, sir make us poor. as abraham lincoln said, only destroyed through suicide trim you talk about this book and this is a question, who are

they? >> guest: all put right into the democratic party, the upper echelon. not the rank-and-file. not a lot of people that are elected by the democratic party. a lot of these people are in districts with the democrat party is so much control that in order for them the two went there to run as a democrat. so before can do some good. they have told me and they told you, man, i support all of which are talking about but i can't run as republican or conservative in my district. help me change it. i've had so many of them say change it. if you can get support all vote for. right now have my money goes to the teachers unions. if i go out to school choice images bring someone else in. allie something a little bit of good right now. who controls the democrat party? planned parenthood. the egg is from george soros on down. the people that want to open borders. the people that love the drug trade. the people who love the sex trafficking. the pornographic people in hollywood.

they sent all that money down to the democratic party and say get power, use the law, to keep these people under control so they will vote for you and give us what we want, and they want him to carry out their agenda. >> guest: exactly. you know how it works. you've been a washington man for a time. china is spending money through these lobbies and lobbyist give money to the politicians. it's all just, the doing a good job. >> host: can't beat be this militarily but they can destroy our values and they can bring about fear. like you talked about with the covid-19 at the masks talk about the pandemic. exploited. >> guest: now we're in this inflation within this economic turmoil because of it. see, we live very protected lives here and we don't not sinister you people are. they know they can come with guns and the fetus. outside of american they're sending in everything to defeat us, propaganda. we done it.

america has done it to country before. the cold war was about that. now they're doing it to us saying we don't see it coming but they know that the foundation to it all, to the democratic party keeping power, is keeping black people under the heel. >> host: and you lay all the blame under democratic party, no responsibility corrupted republicans in the jew become just the democratic party traffic when i look at the democratic party i always look at what they've done to the black community, the evil they've done to our people. i look at it from slavery up until now. armstrong be killed nearly 60 may black people from slavery to abortion and all this come from jim crow. jim crow was horrible for even though we had laws on the book 13, 14 the tenth tenth amt to vote, equal protection under the law could in the slavery. they castrated, killed, murdered the first naacp officer get killed in the field. i got by the name of albert williams. he worked in haywood county kimsey and it was 1940s.

ku klux klan killed him. that was then. they were a murderous, thieving, perverted lot since inception 1800 and they have changed. it's like the mafia. if you set up, if you set up the mafia inside of the city who's coming to it? the pimps, the drug dealers, the murderers, because that's what they do. when you set up a democrat party in a state and they say we're going to support abortion, keep children in terrible schools, were going to try to destroy religion, who comes to it? not the very good people. >> host: do you think this is why the needy demonizes lacked conservatism, demonizes conservatism? do you think they are an enabler and protect them so they can continue their bidding on the further destruction and the erosion of american values? >> guest: oh, yeah, man. using hollywood. i don't have to tell you about. you also know from history, the

soviet union and its minions have always, calmness have always tried to break a cadaver in my book about about what taylor branch wrote in his book, he said in 1954 the common term so we can spend their spicier. gave him instructions to make the black community a direct replicate of the soviet bloc. and they have done it. one party rule, dictatorship, apostate religion, broken family, poverty, drug abuse, alcoholism, you name it and it's working. people try to say capitalism has destroyed the black community. socialism has destroyed, not capitalism. >> host: and a five minutes we have left, and and i thank o much for writing this book, "255 lies: exposing democrats' most

dangerous, seductive, damnable, destructive lies and how to refute them", give us hope. what can people do to turn this around, or can they? >> guest: thank you for that, armstrong. there is hope. the hope is there still a strong christian community. the thing is upheld this country ever since the beginning, abolitionist movement, christian movement and we've always had this fight in this country between real christianity and fake christianity. down south we have kind of apostate christendom of slavery, racism, hatred. but then there's a christian of both of ablutions cushioned, brotherhood, love, forgiveness, forbearance, freedom. that christianity still exists and now we have to activate it and say look were doing a good job going in africa going into south america going into china going into korea. but what did jesus say? i want you to take this gospel i do want you to spread it starting here in jerusalem and samaria and then to the other parts of the world. we as christians have to start rebuilding our efforts to go get our own here.

we have to go back into the communities that are suffering. we have to challenge the church to start doing its job again and bring about the great permission because black church has become apostate church. not all of them. we got some good preacher still daniel batumi of them have just made politics part of the church, street money can you not works. you see. and they have taken the black community and make them believe kristi and an democrat party socialism are synonymous. they are not. >> host: how do we get american blacks, it's like the immigrant song, when they come here to find prosperity, opportunity, how do we get american blacks to finally take their shoes off in america and say i'm at home and going to treat this and protected as if it's my hope? >> guest: school choice is the best route to get that done. we start with wiring up these young black people again to believe in god can believe in christianity. make them understand you no

longer an afghan american, you're an american. you're an american. europe 20, 25 generations in this country. that means the constitution said he had to end the slave trade at the teens are eight, right. your people a banner at least since 1808. this is your country. your people built it. you don't ask permission in your own house. you know your way around your protect yourself. that's part of being an american freemen. you have to walk and exercise your freedom. your freedom is an unalienable right given to you by god, not government. it is the revocable, nontransferable, unsellable according to john locke. exercise your freedom. stand up as a free man in your house. elite in your god. get married. have a family. work hard. you seem that study from pew that says if you do these three things you'll never be poor in america. they said at first you graduate high school, don't have a child

until you're married and work full-time. you'll never be hungry. >> host: in the final two minutes explain to people what a black conservative is, that is so much more to sort denounce the myths and what people try to make others believe that it is, you tell us. >> guest: a black conservative has to believe has to believe in jesus christ and god because that's what makes you feel is. that's the thing that makes you fear no man. and make you stand up and look them in the eye and say i get everything i get from i got anyone is going to come and try to separate me from that will have a problem with me. anyone is going to try to come and teach my children and pull them away from their god have a problem with me. a black conservative is a a pn that believes in jesus christ, his god. he believes in freedom, not the government gives him his freedom. picky believes in his freedom comes from god. he doesn't ask permission. he exercises his freedom. just like your car, you own,

right? it's my. i'm not going to ask for permission. then you have to arm yourself with knowledge, for the wiseman and again for the fool. and walks this earth as god gives an purpose. >> host: my brother, and i save my brother in christ, i don't see color. >> guest: there you go, i see behavior. "25 lies: exposing democrats' ms eductive, damnable, destructive lies and how to refute them" vince ellison, thank you. >> guest: thank you brother. >> host: for joining us on "after words." go out and get the book. >> weekends on c-span2 on intellectual feast. every saturday american history tv documents america stories, and onundays booktv brings you the latest in nonfiction books and authors. funding for c-span2 come from these television companies and

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