taxpayers are collateral damage in the democrats pursuit of open border policies. americans pay with their wallets , their safety and all too often their lives. this is unacceptable. i am sure that you are aware, governor, that your state has spent hundreds of millions of state taxpayer dollars to address the surge of illegal aliens in minnesota. are you also aware of any ngos operating in your state that provide services to illegal aliens and how those ngos receive any federal funding? >> i cannot answer that at this time, i do not have it in front of me. >> we have to end the shameful practice of ngos working against immigration law enforcement efforts. that is why i introduced hr 245, the great integrity and border security act to stop ngos who work against u.s. laws from receiving a single cent of taxpayer funds. american should never tolerate a government that uses their own tax money against them.

mr. chairman, i yield back. >> gentle lady wields back before we recess. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i ask unanimous consent to submit an article from the seattle times entitled national sheriffs association head tears into feds sanctuary list. >> without objections awarded. the committee will stand in recess for 15 minutes. the committee stands in recess.

>> the committee will attempt to come back in order. give the witnesses a second to find their seats and then we will recognize the next questioner. thank you all. the chair now recognizes mr. kosar from texas for five minutes. >> good afternoon,on governors. republicans have dragged you in today for questioning because they say your immigration policies are dangerous for american citizens. so, i want to ask each of you some questions about recent events affecting u.s. citizens. governor, was that your administration or was it the trump administration that arrested a 10-year-old u.s. citizen recovering from brain

cancer andnd sent her to mexico? >> it was a trump administration , sir. >> correct. governorer walls, was it your administration or was it the trumpt administration that jaild in american for days alleging he was in the country illegally despite him being a u.s. citizen ? >> i believe that that was the trump administration. >> that is correct. that was the trump administration. governor hogle, was it your administration of the trump administration that arrested a totally innocent u.s. citizen, pregnant woman, who wound up in the hospital after her detention >> those horrific situations are all the results of the trump administration's over enforcement of our laws. >> that was just this week and that was correct it was a trump administration. let me be clear, democratic governors who are trying to

protect there rights of all of s are not the real danger that we face. donald trumps reckless immigration policies are what is putting usou at risk. u.s. citizens included. trump and his puppeteer in congress put out a constant stream of lies about immigration so, let me summarize what is really going on here. trump has ordered law enforcement agencies to focus not on violent criminals, but on indiscriminately rounding up as many people as possible. trump is targeting people going to work at home depot and 7-eleven. big roaring gangs. trump is targeting people trying to follow the rules and go to a court hearing. ignoring those who commit real violence. anddo then, there is the kids. imagine just for a moment, that they are your kids. law enforcement raids at our school spirit kids with their

hands zip tied behind their backs. multiple u.s. citizen children with cancer deported to foreign countries, separated from their treatment, their care and their doctors. this is not just about immigrant families. donald trump is undermining the rights that protect all of us. no matter who we are and where we come from. people are being arrested without ever having been accused of a crime. held four days without contact with their families or their lawyers. people being deported in violation of judicial orders. trump also going after anyone who dares to try to put up guardrails against this. arresting judges, arresting mayors. arresting members of congress and union leaders. this is not law. this is not order. this is chaos and it is dangerous for all of us. around the country right now, people are peacefully protesting

to show the world the awful things that the trump administration is doing. tearing families and communities apart, ignoring the rule of law, making us all less safe and, please note that if you are one of those peaceful demonstrators, i hear you. i see you. i have your back. so many of you are sufferingbr because someone you love is terrified or has been unjustly taken away from you by this administration. but donald trump does not want people to hear your message. that is why he has taken national guard troops in the marines away from their jobs and has sent them to los angeles. breaking all the rules about how protests like this are handled. trump and governor abbott have troops to my district in downtown san antonio. a place that is been perfectly orderly and peaceful. because, as always, we know donald trump is trying to stoke

up chaos and division. and he does not care who gets hurt inn the process. he wants to start a fire, pour gasoline on it and blame somebody else for the flames. so, if you're watching at home and you see images of disorder or chaos in the coming days, member this. it is donald trumps fire. it is him who lit the fire. auntie does not care if the rest of us get burned. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from texas. >> thank you, mr. chairman. would you say that one of the most important things that any governor, quite frankly any elected official can do is keep their citizens and constituents safe? >> i would,erur congressman. >> when i was reading your bio that you provided, nowhere did you mention the safety and security of minnesotans are fighting crime or supporting law enforcement or for that matter the rule w of law. i want to take you back to 2020.

you refer to them as peaceful demonstration. in hindsight, do you still stand by that? were they mostly peaceful? >> congressman after the murder of george floyd on the streets thousands gathered in the streets. >> governor, where they mostly peaceful protests? >> the vast majority work. >> why would you have to call the national guard for mostly peaceful protests. >> they weren't all mostly peaceful. the total damage in dollars, what was that in minnesota? for the peaceful protests? >> i don't have that. >> according to the insurance industry between one and 2 billion. your own state senate put the price tag of 500 million. if that is a peaceful protest in minnesota, i shudder to think what aed violent one would cost. governor,. >> i did not call it that. we had folks that were there that are in prison. >> i like to keep things simple as far as talking about federal detainers and i've talked with several federal law enforcement officials about this. a detainer is issued when

someone is already in custody, confined, jail, prison, court, not someone that's plucked up the street randomly and there is really preconditions. and/or probable cause that a foreign national subject to removal from this country, final deportation order has been issued or it is a foreign national that is been can acted of a crime is about to be released. sanctuary states will not cooperate with federal law enforcement. in minnesota, do cooperate sometimes, never or all the time ? >> we follow federal law in all 87 counties in all jurisdictions >> some do and some do not. >> that is correct. >> governor, would you commit here and now, this is really simple. common sense to compel state and locals in minnesota to cooperate with all federal detainers issued by federal law enforcement when it involves a foreign national that has been convicted of a felony.

i am talking about kidnappers, rapists, child molesters, murders, creditors, scumbag spirit. >> being held by my state corrections, every time. >> every time you will do that. >> every time in minnesota. what i would ask you to commit to isre are you going to find i.c.e., what they do not pay us on detainer? >> on detainers, i do not call them the gestapo. this is my definition of gestapo , governor. real nazis from 1933 to 1945 that facilitated in the murder of millions. i do not call federal law enforcement officers - gestapo. you were recently quoted. where's the apology? >> donald trump -- >> donald trump is not here. you are, governor. your big boy. but your big boy pants on. >> governor, you call them gestapo. will you apologize for that? >> congressman, my job, i'm a history teacher.

>> okay, so you won't. i read reclaim my time. you won't answer the question. i think that is hyperbolic demagoguery. you said in a speech, maybe got a little carried away i don't know if you apologize for that, too. you said you would "kick republicans asses". that is dangerous rhetoric. especially when you use gestapo. it is lazy and terribly inaccurate. u.s. skews violence and you use dangerous irresponsible rhetoric and you can choose between being on the side of law enforcement or the side of vicious criminals and youth chosen the latter time and again. i do not know why. maybe it's because you want to press your limousine liberal friends when you are eating wine and cheese or you're getting your coffee every morning at the hemp store. i do not know, but i think it is ignorant and i think that it is disgusting. i can see why the american people made it a very bad night

for you in a very great night for our future. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes mr. carpenter. >> okay. recognizing mr. bell from missouri. >> thank you, mr. chair. and our witnesses for being here today. i think that it is important for leaders to be honest and understanding nuances of issues. as my grandmother used to say, all the easy problems have already been solved. we are leftl, with the tough on. it's important to her constituents that we are explaining the nuance in these issues and this hearing is yet another attempt that dismantling the system of power and the rule of law in america. the administration threats to withhold funding and resources from states to coerce them to adhere to federal immigration law is unconstitutional. the deployment of s federal tros without authorization is unconstitutional.

masked unidentified i.c.e. agent snatching people off the streets is unconstitutional.em since my colleague brought this up, governor walls, i am a former prosecutor. is a good precedents to have, to allow masked men to show up and take people off the streets not even identifying themselves question. >> no and it also puts law enforcement at risk. >> absolutely. there is thisom criminal element that may say we can kidnap people, we can rob people, come with mass, identify ourselves as i.c.e. and someone may not know what they can do. is that correct? >> if i'm not mistaken i thought i saw yesterday that very thing happened. somebody identified themselves as i sent omitted a crime. look, you wear the badge for a reason. you wear the name for a reason. you make sure that you are coordinated with those other lam enforcement agencies that are there. it is a dangerous situation for everyone.

>> absolutely. so, governors quickly as it relates to trends in your state, illegal immigrants come up more or less likely to commit serious violent crimes. >> it's clear that they commit crime at a lower rate than the rest of our population. >> study suggests that illegal immigrants about halff as likely as u.s. citizens to commit an offense serious enough to result in incarceration. and it seems to me that we are redirecting critical resources from communities to address immigration went statistically immigrants commit less serious crimes and this misalignment risks undermining community stability by d prioritizing other high public safety concerns which you all have to dealam with. i would like to ask quickly, too , are you familiar, and i'm not sure if you are because this was that of the statehouse in

missouri, are you familiar with the second amendment preservation act? >> is that the act congressman where the statehouse in missouri sought to pass a law that it would not t cooperate with fedel law enforcement? >> particularly with gun cases, yes, ma'am. i am a little confused. i would love for my republican colleagues to clear this confusion. on one hand, when it involves immigration, they are saying that states like yourselves should do the job for them, reallocate resources from places that you are doing tremendous work in to do the federal government's job, but when it comes to gun violence, missouri passed a law forbidding police, local police, from cooperating with federal law enforcement. and, so, i've got to ask, in your respective communities, is nonviolence a problem?

governor hogle. >> any instance of violence is a problem for us but i'm proud after investing nearly the billion dollars in law enforcement since i've been governor, our crime rates are trending downward, particularly violentro crimes and in a place like newar york city had the lowest crime rate in may in history. >> i will reclaim just becausell i'm short on time. gun violence is a concern. without be safe to say? >> it is absolutely a concern. yes. when local law enforcement of federal law enforcement work together to curb gun violence which protects all of us and all of our families, i do not hear republicans complaining about the fact that local law enforcement is literally barred until the supreme court overturned the spirit barred from working with federal officialss. i think that it is just about hypocrisy to suggest in this situation that you should be

forced to take the finite resources that i you have to do the federal government's job. that is my time, i yield back. >> the chair recognizes mr. sessions from texas. >> mr. chairman, thank you very much. to our friends, welcome back. the opportunity that we have today to talk about this brings up a lot of issues. i think that we all understand it we know this. over 600,000 migrant children that cross the border without supervision. from 2020 u forward. 600,000 children. we are sitting here arguing about a lot of things. but during the biden administration, they took no steps, none, to effect, and this is from an ig report, they did not, they were unprepared, they did not know what they were

doing, they let people come across, they did not check. they just took people's word for it and we still have these, of those 23, 233 migrant children, never even given dates to appear in immigration court. no dates. no dates by the biden administrationy . here, comemi on in, here you go. i would suggest to you that each of you are participatory for bringing people because of your words. your words of new york is open. illinois open for business. we want you to come. we want you to be here. in terrible things have happened in our country as a result of a false promise. i know you are perfectly willing to pay millions of dollars to people out of your own coffers, but the bottom line is, they came through texas and other it caused a great deal of carnagers and harm. these migrants are in trouble.

they are in trouble. their entire pathway to be taken advantage of and to cause harm. not justs. to themselves but otr people. i would submit to you, all three of you, have encourage people to come and the numbers are stunning about the numbers of not just people that got caught, but those people that came here who have criminal records. criminal records and they appear on terrorist watch list. and, i would ask each of you, are you aware that when you put your open come to america sign, come to the state of minnesota, come to illinois, come to new york, are you aware that you are doing that where there would not be a background check. where there would be people who would openly hear this who are criminals and terrorists and they evaded this process and

overwhelmed law enforcement. you created a gold rush. you created a rush where people came and the entire pathway is littered with not only brand new areas and the number of communities that now participate under 280 g has exploded. and that is because it is the cartel, drug cartels plan to have someone in every single city around america. in texas, it used to be dallas, houston, san antonio, austin, maybe ft. worth and el paso. now it is smaller cities, even in the congressional district that i represent. they brought their marketing team with them. because there are people who still owe the cartels. this is not a new story.

when vice president biden, he spoke about receiving a briefing from dea understanding that there were people that had to pay off the cartels for being here. each and every one of you have participated. each and every one of you have put a green light out. please, come, be with us. we willon take care of you and t has caused carnage. governor. >> well, thank you, congressman. first of all, no one asked for folks. >> we bring in over 1 million people that legally go through a process, no whatever rules are, we do background checks. we are talking about millions of people, no background check. >> we need to make sure that the legal process is done and those that should not be here art. >> okay. that is your viewpoint now. that is not what has been said in the past. that is not what governor hogle said that it. of time when people were

flooding in. it was seen as being okay, just calm. >> my views of immigration are it is a positive for this nation in general. >> legally. >> legal immigration. >> let's talk about what is happened over the past 40 years of not much longer. >> we have never had anything like thehe last four. let's not put this into account text of history. let's put it under u.s. governor , your public comments, public comments to encourage people to break the law, to come to my stated cause carnage and drug cartels to have people now where they have a marketing organization everywhere to where communities have debit 287 g problem because they have people

staying where they had never stayed before. >> that mischaracterizes things that i've said. let me just be clear. we have had 40 years of failure at the border and failure of immigration policy. we will talk about the last four years. there were people that came to the border, because the federal government decided that because there is law that allows this,. >> it was not law that allow that, there was a president directive. >> fair enough. we are not in charge of b the border in illinois. >> knowing there were tens of thousands of children that would come. >> we have 50,000 people that came from texas because they worship to us. let me tell you, i was in favor of helping them find texas and need to find a way to provide for them. we as a nation should be welcoming people to this country >> not illegally. that is the difference and you need to say that. mr. chairman, i know my time is

up i like test unanimous consent to enter into the record united states department of homeland security management report august night 2024, march 2025 where the law unaccompanied alien children. >> without objection so ordered. recognizing the ranking member. >> thank you. i too have a unanimous consent request for an article from the nation magazine dated may 23, 2025 entitled trump wants thousands of migrant children to represent themselves in court. >> without objection, so ordered >> the chair recognizes miss to leave the. >> thank you, mr. chair. two other witnesses, all of our governors, thank you for being here. i want to start with questions really quick, do you believe in due process for everybody no matter their immigration status. >> i do. i do. >> yes. >> what if they did not vote for you. >> i still support them.

>> they disagree with the on immigration, they disagree with the climate, lgbtq. >> we take care of everyone that lives in our state. >> what about palestinian human rights. >> yes. >> support. >> human rights for everyone, yes. >> you believe they deserve due process even if you disagree on palestinian human rights positions. >> yes. >> governor. >> yeses. >> i am aware of that. governor. >> yes, we do. your constituent is still a nice detention. are you aware of him? >> very much so be it i'm hoping his return home on friday. >> we are working on that. this is important. he is a legal permanent rest -- resident. kidnapped over three months ago. you know, one of the things that i want to do, if i may, chairman , submit for the record, a letter to his son who was born while he was kidnapped and

illegally detained by our country. >> without objection so ordered. i will read a little bit about what he wrote to his son. i waited on the other line. into the phone as your mother labor to bring you into this world. i listen to your pained breaths. that up with the phone next to his wife birthing his child. while he was illegally detained. i listen to your pained breaths. her pained breaths and tried to say comforting words during your first moments i buried my face in my arms and kept my voice low so that the 70 other men sleeping in this concrete room would not see my cloudy eyes or hear my voice catch. the cruelty of what is happening in our country, everyone, to all my colleagues should understand the humanan toll of separation f families. read this letter. take a moment.

maybe governor hogle, sometimes i feel like because he is palestinian you did not speak up enough. and i say that is a palestinian american serving here in congress. we all need to always support due process for everyone. no matter if you disagree with them politically or not. the judge said they may release him on friday. you shouldd use this opportunity to redeem yourself and welcome that decision. i urge you to protect your constituents constitutional rights whether or not you disagree with them politically including the right to boycott. right, governor. >> includingbo the right to protest and boycott. >> this person now i believe already on the plane to columbia this is michael from southwest detroitt. he was on his way to a field trip whilegh local police raciay profiled him said he does not speak english at mccall border patrol. he spoke english just fine.

that said a motion to separate him from his mother and his community. he was 3.5 credits away from graduating high school. to us, he was our son. ours son. he was not a criminal. he was trying to do the right thing. he had attorneys at a nonprofit legal agency. and you know, governors, i think about him and he is there with all of his friends and is trying to experience this beautiful thing that we all have experienced. but what makes me angry about the fact that he went on this flight, he is probably in columbia now without his family, without a school community, without his classmates is that many of my colleagues on the other side of the island maybe someone mine, they are donors benefit from a broken and inhumane system. the president of the united states benefited financially and personally by having a broken immigration system that keeps our immigrant neighbors in a broken system that does not allow them to come out of the

shadows. why? because that is cheap labor. let's be honest. they are resting dishwashers. people at home depot at work. and they are donors benefit. you know it. the restaurant industry benefit. they know exactly what they are doing. if they even wanted to fix his immigration system they would go to the people that employ them. and we know it. now, detention centers. guess who will benefit from privatey detention centers and holding our immigrant neighbors? they are donors. so, shame on us in bringing these governors here will we know exactly what is happening here. this is all for profit, offer cruelty and fear and division. fix our economic system in our country. people are c starving. people cannot afford basic needs and you are ripping our loved ones away from us because you don't have the courage to fix our broken immigration system. it is been inhumane for decades.

shame on us both democrats and republicans for not doing what is right in this chamber and doing what is right for the american people ando? making sue that we are not separating families. with that, mr. chair, i yield. >> the chair recognizes mr. palmer from alabama. >> first of all,, i want to poit out under article six constitution conspiracy clause that by declaring your state sanctuary you declare your intent to violate federal law. with that, are you aware that illegal aliens with no ties to terrorist organizations are residing in the united states. that is a yes or no. quickly, yes or no. >> i do not have firsthand knowledge. >> you should have. governor pritzker. >> i do not have firsthand knowledge myself. >> governor. >> my joint terrorism task force has surveillance. >> a yes or no. either you know or you don't. >> we are aware. >> that is amazing.

reporting just in fiscal year 23736 encounters with illegal aliens with ties to terrorist organizations. there is over two, 2.2 million estimated got a ways. we have no idea how many known terrorist are in our country. do you support the arrest and deportation of t illegal aliens with ties to terrorist organizations? yes or no. >> due process given, certainly. >> governor. >> exactly. we need due process before we arrest people. >> yes or no. >> anyone involved in a crime. >> we cooperate. >> yes or no. >> you cannot give a straight answer and the answer is you are giving safe harbor to people with ties to terrorist organizations. aware of that? let me tell you, you are shielding members of known terrorist organizations such as ms-13. tren de aragua, the 18th street

gang. those are designated terrorist organizationsec. these are the people responsible for bringing drugs and that have killed, along with other drugs killed over 100,000 people per year. we are no longer in a warm drugs , where involved in a war with drugs. these are casualties. are you aware that the department of homeland security identified over 400 illegal aliens who were smuggled into the united states with the help of an affiliate of isis. are you aware of that, governor? subpoena congressman, i do not knowledge of that. >> i will help you. chairman, i would like to enter into the record article from nbc newsin.

dhs identifies over 400 in the united states by a human smuggling network. is that a problem? so ordered.bjection >> does not raise any concern for you? >> none of us want terrorist in this country. >> them where you shielding people here h from being pickedp by our i.c.e. agents, referring to this as a gestapo organization? you know, i never want to get up on another morning like i did on september 11, 2001. there are people in this country who work here with the full intent to do us harm. they came across our borders illegally. 358 of them crossed the northern border into new york. not all of them in new york. some of them came through new york. there is armed smuggling across the canadian border into new

york. and you are shielding these people. are you aware that if just one half of 1% of the estimated 15 million, 14.7 million to be exact that came into our country illegally during the biden administration, if just one half of 1% are tied to criminal organizations or terrorist organizations that that constitutes more than the combined active duty forces to the army and marines. does that not strike you as something that shouldy be of grave concern to us. >> i would like to answer. >> we cooperate fully with all investigations, particularly terrorist. >> how do you know if they are terrorists? how do you know that they are terrorists if you do not allow people to be picked up who came here illegally to s at least gie an accountnt for their presence. how do you know that they are not part about 400 that we know

came in through an isis affiliated human smuggling operation? you do notdens know. you are not even looking into that. >> you are pointing to an abject value of the federal government to do its job to secure our borders. >> they now constitute a threat to ouris national security. >> we cooperate in all criminal investigations should always have, always will. >> federal government attempts to enforce federalni law that i think now constitutes a threat to our national security and you are in violation of federal law. >> that is 100% false. >> charges should be for obstruction should be brought against each one of you for doing this. i will leave that up to the department of justice. mr. chairman, i yield back subpoena point of order. point of order. that was intimidation of the witness. i've a pointo o of inquiry. raising the prospect of charges against witnesses is a form of

intimidation, is it not. thank you. i withdraw the question. i appreciate that. >> thank you, mr. chair. thank you so much to our governors. i apologize for the abuse that you are facing in this committee that is supposed to be about waste, fraud and abuse. i also apologize for wasting your time because this is nothing more than political theater. now, again, this committee is supposed to be about waste fraud and abuse. we did not have to have this full creation of doge. the committee itself, that is our job. what i want to talk about is something that the american people may want to know which is economically, how is this impactingas them? these failed immigration policies that are only put on so that they can have a show because we have a reality show president who seemingly still believes that this is all about tv instead of real lives. so, let me talk about something

really quickly because i want to clarify something. i believe that all of you understand the importance of something like tourism. are you aware, any of you, are you aware as to whether or not tourism in the united states is anticipated to decrease $12.5 billion in international vendor spending and just the year 2025. >> i can answer as the tourism capital of the country did tourism is already down. it is down in the north country where the canadians refused to come over because of the hostility towards their country. it is happening in new york city it's happening at her sporting d events here, our theater. there is a ripple effect throughout our entire economy because of the change in attitude that our country that once welcome people from all over the world to visit and recreate and live here now feels like a very hostile place to them. it is going to have an economic impact on our bottom line without a doubt. >> let's talk about it a little

bit more. i'm supposed to have a number of fifa games in dallas and i'm fully anticipating we will have a problemt because i've been receiving phone calls that people do not feel safe coming here. it's not the immigrants, it is this government that is making them feel unsafe. let me also do this because they love to cherry pick the they can find any one person that is being killed and if they been killed by an immigrant then gosh darn it, every single immigrant is going out in their killers. and that is the problem, but they do not want to talk about white supremacy. the fact that there has been this one immigrant that killed this one person and no, i'm not excusing any killings by them are white supremacist but they have not had these hearings. we did not have a hearing on buffalo what happened there. we did not have a hearing on el paso would happen there. we did not have a hearing on charleston and what h happened there. it is interesting that they pick and choose because it seems like they left to paddle around and they don't want to talk about other things. how to make sure we are making

this point again because i know that governor, you are the beneficiary of a lot of things from theen state of texas. a lot of people believe that republicans are fiscally responsible, but instead they are fiscally irresponsible because what he spent was a whopping $221 million transporting people from texas to your state. something tells me that he could have done something else with that $221 million in addition to that, i know that there've been some conversations about what is going on in l.a. and they want to say that it is rights because they did not want people to keep talking about sadie epstein files or whatever other drama was popping off between the president and his little friend. so, they wanted to change the conversation to immigration because they feel like, well, the polling is in our benefit, but let me tell you something. if they cared about making sure we would be fiscally responsible they would tell the american people that a cost of

$134 million to send the national guard to l.a. for the riots that the governor did not ask for, nor did the mayor of l.a. asked for and they sent them over there and they say that they care about our service members yet they sent them and they were laying on the floor. they did not provide for food. i do not know why we would believe that, number one, they want to fix this. they do not want to fix this because the brokenness is a feature, not a flaw of this system because it is beneficial to them when it comes to campaigning. if they cannot stoke fear, then why arere they going to say have anybody vote for them. because that is what people are doing. their voting out of fear. ms. perryman, we know each other little well. i know you have a lot. it seems like we need a lot in here nowadays to understand the constitution. really briefly, i want tod' make this point. there is a certain person that was afforded say due process. let's say if donald trump had

been charged with all of these cases that he got charged with in four different jurisdictions, if he was not afforded due process, there could've been a possibility that he just would've been lockedd up and thrown somewhere, right? >> that be a problem -- that's a possibility. and then maybe we would not have all this nonsense. but he was afforded due process and regardless of the political opposition, democrats, republicans and independents, i thought, believe that due process should be afforded to everybody, even him. >> do processes for everyone. >> okay. so the fifth amendment does not say that it's just for the people that are americans? >> it does not. >> it says anybody on our soil. >> itd is for everyone peanut i don't know why we are having issues. i think you and i will yield. >> the chair recognizes -- before recognize, mr. palmer you have a request? >> to enter into the record testimony before, for action of

the subcommittee of oversight and government reform. subcommittee on federal law enforcement from joseph m -- >> without objection, so ordered >> i've unanimous consent. >> okay. >> can id please issue into the record a statement from senator 's chain, kavanaugh and santana in response to the i.c.e. detention and deportation of mattel. >> without objection, so ordered the chair recognizes from arizona. >> governors, good afternoon. would you agree that good process, those good policy bills , good politics are pretty all right? would you agree, governor? >> yes, sir. >> i would agree. >> i would agree with that. >> good. would you support the disclosure of federal funding to nonprofit either directly or indirectly?

>> federal funding of nonprofit just generally, there is actuallyer nonprofits. >> welcome what they do, kind of we do not get that. it is all blocked out. you cannot make good decisions if you do not have it. >> all of it is available as i understand publicly, guess. >> now i will quote a u.s. justice. he said, in a government of law, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe and uphold the law. our government is potent. on b the present teacher for god or for ill. it teaches the whole people by its example. if the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invite contempt of the law. it invites every man. it beat it invites anarchy. do you agree, do you agree with this?

>> ideal. it is what president trump has done. he has broken the law. >> we follow all of the laws. federal and state. >> okay. so. why would i ask you about nonprofit financing. what if i were to present you evidence that u.s. citizens and even foreign citizens on foreign soil were coaching illegal aliens how to bypass u.s. immigration law. now, let me remind you, as soon as an alien crosses the border illegally, they become criminals under the federal law. sanctuary policies blatantly ignored the clause. it circumvents federal immigration laws to harbor criminals. as of july 2024 under the biden harris administration, over

660,000 illegal aliens with criminal histories in the united states. but i am talking about everyone, not just criminals. once you violate the law by entering our country illegally, let me be clear. you are aiding and abetting criminal illegal aliens which is a felony under title eight u.s. code 1324. punishable up to 20 years in prison or life in prison or even the death penalty. >> seems kind of weird, but if it resultsm in someone's death. this committee and all americans know has happened. would you want to even air on the aspect of caution? i would. i really would. now, governor, do you consider yourself, do you like nature? do you consider yourself a conservationist? i do. i am one of those. >> arefo particularly fond of nw york's great state park so, yes, i love nature.

>> why would you allow them to destroy ourur parks. i was there. i got to see it all. even putting people in that process. >> i would hardly call it a part it's a place where people used to transfer military exercises. >> somebody founded as a park. is it not? >> it's a park. >> department of interior. >> okay. governor, do you know the estimated size of a milligram, ? >> i think, generally, yeah. >> it's like the tip of a pencil sharpened pencil at that. that is a lethal dose which are running mate harris open border policies welcomed into the united states. similar to your sanctuary policies, playing games with american lives. due to millions of lives constitute an all-out assault on our broken borders? >> a deal.goe >> you support tribal

communities? >> do iow support tribal communities? >> i certainly do. >> i do. okay. what about the transnational criminal cartels? this is an epidemic. an epidemic. i will finish up with this. governors, this is my promise to you. i will work to secure the border , build a wall, stop the drugs into our nation. i want to see that you are held accountable for the violations of our crimes against the people of the united states. our immigration system is not broken we just need someone like donald trump to uphold the laws. i yield back. >> the chairman yields back. ms. crockett has a unanimous consent request. >> yes, mr. chair. i would like to submit a request for, this is from the alabama reflector. undocumented immigrants paid almost $100 billion in taxes.

>> without objection so ordered. >> my second is from reuters. white supremacist behind extremism related u.s. murders in 2022. >> without objection so ordered. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i also have a o couple of unanimous consent request. the first is from a magazine. judge rebukes the department of justice explanation for ignoring the court order. >> without objection. >> the government again evadedsl its obligations. the judge willfully and insufficient exultation for flouting his court order. the second one is from nbc news. trump administration written to suspend core u.s. legal right sparks outcryal and alarm. >> without objection so ordered. recognizing miss presley from massachusetts. >> thank you to our democratic governors for being here today. this hearingld is an utter and

complete waste of your time. it isng a waste of taxpayer dollars. republicans have called you here alleging that you are circumventing federal law. you are not. but, you know who is the poster child to is violating federal law daily? the current occupant of the oval office, donald j trump. to make matters worse, these hard-working governors had to leave their states to be here in a momentru when their work is incrediblyar difficult. because donald j trump and his accomplices and co-conspirators who, by the way, donald trump does notto give a damn about yor constituents and he does not give a damn about you he does not respect the seat you hold and it is a coequal branch of government, but donald trump in his accomplices, many of them who are in this room, you are tearing food away from our babies and medical care from our elders.

these democratic governors have to stand in the gap and figure out how to stretch budgets and modify programs, to keep their constituents fed and alive. constituents like this precious little soul that i wish i did not have to leave to come be here. layla who drew me this rainbow. a 5-year-old who lives with a rare liver disease had a successful liver transplant at boston medical center, thank god she is thriving today. but, layla, she will need immunosuppressant drugs for the rest of her life that are paid for by medicaid. and without decayed, welcome i shudder to think what may happen to layla. but, for sure, her family will at least will bankrupt trying to do everything to keep their baby alive. that is what these governors, that is a situation that they have been put in because your

big ugly bill and if it comes to pass. and, they are dealing with the fallout of this white house pulling the rope grants recklessly. grown men throwing 10 or tantrums. so, again, let me be plain. the trump administration is breaking the law. not these democratic governors. how many legal challenges as the trump administration currently facing. >> i believe over 300 right now. can you explain how litigation like thisnt has helped to shield and defend vulnerable communitiess. >> absolutely. without our courts upholding the rule of law and upholding the rights of people, right now, there could be federal funds frozen across the country that would endanger thingsou like had started meals on wheels and community safety programs. including community safety programs that help prosecutors and help law enforcement in states and communities across the country.

the administration has terminated over $800 million in office of justice program grants that we are having to challenge in court and the list goes on and on and on. >> thank you. in case after case, we are winning. trump tried to endun birthright citizenship block. he dropped asylum dropped. and because we are winning in court, republicans are trying to change the rules to break the system. the big ugly bill republicans voted for is a provision in section 70302 title restriction on enforcement. restrict theju judiciary from enforcing court orders and holding government officials accountable. this is an intentional and deliberate attempt to undermine the courts of the trump administration breaking the law with impunity. republicans pretend tofe care about law and order but this provision is the exact opposite. .... e.

the shame and the sham of it all. i yield back. chair comer: the chair recognizes mr. grothman from wisconsin. rep. grothman: i hear about illinois being part of wisconsin. i had builders in my house talking about building in southern wisconsin to get out of illinois. if anything, we are very generous country. right now, every year, it hundred 50,000 -- 850,000 new citizens are -- another 8 million new citizens are sworn in a naturalized in this country. i think we have about another 500,000 people coming in this country on work visas, and a little under that on student visas. so we are very generous about allowing people in this country.

i should have said 850,000 people sworn in. in any event, we really -- it's not impossible to get here legally. nevertheless, we have a lot of people every year overstaying visas or still sneaking across the border. the question i'm going to ask you guys, and gal, do yo do you believe we should have immigration laws in this country. we will start with governor walsh. >> congressman, should the question is should we have immigration laws? >> yes, we should. >> they're very important, in fact, wepr should have more robt immigration in this country and it should be done under a law. >> and ms. hochul. >> yes, of course, we should have immigration laws and we do.

>> when people come into the country and break those laws, do you believe they should be enforced? let's say people come into this country, gulf of mexico, pas forric ocean, however they come here, should they be spun around and sent back out of the country or should we just allow them to stay here? >> the judge denies asylum claim, no they should. >> if somebody is overstaying, we will say it a different way, overstaying their say work visas, student visas should be allowed to stay here or they should be for removed? >> given due process, yes. >> governor hochul. >> following due process. federal government has the authority to rate -- >> ly ask you, should people who

are here illegally get welfare benefits? >> governor walz, food stamps and low-income housing, assistance that would be here? >> yes, we provide for all of our people in minnesota. it's one of the -- >> so your statement is that if somebody comes here an asigh limb claim,la they should be abe to get low-income home housing, free rent, free health care. >> states i right. in some states they do. >> determine what welfare benefitsri at the welfare level and i can say to you we have hundreds of thousands of people in the state of illinois that are undocumented abiding by the law, paying taxes. >> are they -- are they -- do

you believe it's right that if they come here they should get free housing, free medical care, free food? >> it depends on the circumstances. i'm just explaining to you that we have millions of people across the united states who are here and were here long before you -- >> i know that. >> the question is, you don't have a problem with them getting benefits? >> law abiding -- we are talking about people who are adding -- >> okay. >> not working, but either way, you have no problem giving those benefits -- >> we provide people in benefits on welfare. >> ms. hochul, people come here that are not citizens come here and make asylum claim they should be getting food, health care, housing? >> depending on what you're referring to and circumstance we do provide these services but they're not universal? >> okay, well, do most people

your average person is overstaying a student visa in new york, do you think they should be getting food stamps, housing, medical care? provide medicaid for individuals who are senior citizens or moms with gnaw babies. >> the question is people who were and were not citizens and overstaying a student or work visa -- >> people making their own way, i have 400,000 open jobs. >> you're not answering the question. i take it to mean -- >> more work authorizations. let's put them to work. let's put them to work. >> if somebody eligible for low-income housing or food stamps or medical care in new york, they should be entitled to thoseve benefits? >> there's not a blanket answer to that. it depends on which provision of the social services law. in some cases it's allowed and in some cases it's not. >> okay. thank you. >> chair, recognizes --

>> thank you, mr. chair, and i would hope that i am also to go over my time. >> i'm sorry,, california. >> thank you, mr. chair, as my colleague did i'm allowed to go over my time by approximately 45 seconds. >> well, i'v' been very fair. -- mrs. frost went over a minute and a half. >> i'm just asking, thank you. i appreciate that, i just -- >> i didn't say you could but you can go ahead. >> i just want to make sure that i have a fair opportunity to also speak as an individual of this body. >> thank you, mr. chair, thank you ranking member lynch. i am so honored to be here today and having this really important conversation.y you know, we talked about victim advocacy and this place i was a victim advocate, 8133 in san francisco for many years and had to sit with families who buried, buried their folks and sitting

literally figuring out how to mend together obituaries, i worked with young people who have been victims of gun violence and literally have had the scrub blood off the streets, there's nothing anyone can say to a family, i get it, that aagreing. we have a lot of work to do not only here in this country but around the world to deter violence. i come from a state, fourth largest economy in the world with best public education, higher public education system in this country, in fact, at california berkeley we lead some of the research that are keeping folks hereal and your relative alive. those labs and research are being attacked by this administration but i digress, i have a number of questions today. but this hearing has been so difficult, not only was i a victim advocate for many years but working with folks who had

witness, founded by j.f.k. and asylum clinic. it honored the work, it honored the work of this country by supporting folks who came here escaping tyranny and violence to be met by immigration system day after v day that spat in their face. thankful to both members to have private bar and our community lawyers who are doing their american duty by supporting people who are leaving tyranny. i have actually one question, i'm concerned that deflating the conversation around public safety. it's my understanding, my understanding that the current administration and the question goes to you, has deducted or stopped payments upwards of a billion dollars in local public safety funding around the country with my time remaining, can you talk to us a little bit

about this very hypocritical moment in time where uplifting public safety and yet we are taking resources away from communities, police departments, community safety leaders and organizations that are taking guns out of kids hands, give us a little bit of the flavor, talk about what money has been taken away from communities under this administration communities under this administration. ms. perryman: since january the administration is abruptly terminated a range of funding and grants for community programs across the country including grants under the office of justice programs, which is obviously a law that president reagan assigned. -- signed. there has been over 800 million in grants funding abruptly terminated that we have to litigate right now. they have also cut off funding for programs that help lawyers and law enforcement become trained in what they are doing in communities across the

country to keep people safe. i know that one of the colleagues mentioned terrorism. and as part of the administration's broader federal funding frees that we had to block in the first weeks of this administration, that remains blocked by a federal court, officials from states like arizona and oregon swore declarations in court talking about the risk to counterterrorism funding that they were concerned about. those are some examples. our team is literally in court every single day -- rep. simon: ms. perryman, would you say it is of your knowledge that police chiefs, there grants have been frozen? ms. perryman: yes, many people in community safety programs. rep. simon: taking way literally upwards of a billion dollars in local public safety funding including violence prevention and gun safety programs, would you say this administration is making us more safe or less safe? ms. perryman: let's say. rep. simon: any other governors?

gov. pritzker: we have programs we work with the federal government between cities, law enforcement, federal government law enforcement data being 20 part. you have drug task forces, gun taskforces. this is making us less safe. rep. simon: grants for rape kits and investigations, the disablement of the department of education, including the office of civil rights that investigated rape and sexual assault on college campuses, decimated. i would agree that our administration is making us less safe as a thank you, and i yield back. thank you, chairman, for the extra time. chair comer: chair recognizes mr. perry from pennsylvania. rep. perry: sad to say i'm disappointed today. governors, ms. perryman, welcome to the house of representatives. great to have you here and hear about your thoughts and views of things. governor pritzker, you said

numerous times now that the president broke the law. you are an attorney, northwestern, that where you went to law school? gov. pritzker: commitment, yes -- congressman, yes, sir. rep. perry: can you cite which law he has broken? gov. pritzker: there are congressionally approved appropriations this president has cut off and we have had to go to court. we have had to go to court to have it reinstated. rep. perry: it is illegal. if you have the go to court, it is illegal, and it is still working its way through the courts -- gov. pritzker: it's been ruled on already -- rep. perry: it's the law at that moment until the next judge rules on, ok? you are the attorney here, i am not you not saying he broke the law regarding the rights in all sent-- riots in los angeles, or are you saying that? gov. pritzker: that hasn't been

ruled upon you i believe he did, but that is not what i'm referring to -- congressional appropriations -- rep. perry: because the implication of what this hearing is about is you are saying he broke the law regarding the mobilization in los angeles, and you are not saying that. i want to make that clear. gov. pritzker: what he is doing is overstepping his rep. perry: ok, send me ask you a couple questions because i want to go through a little walk down memory lane in history for you. in 1794, george washington mobilized the military. are you familiar with the whiskey rebellion? gov. pritzker: yes, sir. rep. perry: was washington beyond his scope? did he overstep? gov. pritzker: what about inciting riots on january 6 at the capital? what you are asking -- rep. perry: you're saying he's breaking the law. gov. pritzker: yes.

rep. perry: however abraham lincoln, 1862, did he do it? >> the abusive powers -- rep. perry: did he do it? john kennedy -- >> if you don't want an answer from me, i'm not going to even bother. rep. perry: 1967 and 1968. you are saying that is against the law, with the president is now doing? you are the attorneys here. i'm not talking to governor walz here because he is not an attorney. he called himself a knucklehead so i am leaving him out of this right now. for you guys familiar with title x of the u.s. code. >> conditions under which a president may usurp the authority and -- invasion or insurrection. i would argue that neither one of those -- rep. perry: i would refer you to section 253.

i am not going to bore everyone with reading it for you but you are wrong but to accuse the president -- quite honestly, that is the least you have accused him of. you have also -- he has been accused of being a dictator, maybe not by year, and if you are willing to say he is not one, we would love to hear it but also that the law enforcement agents are nazis with estoppel like tactics. governor walz, you mentioned that in a commencement speech. let me ask you -- i'm going to ask three of you this. it arises from the power under section 103 a-3. sections -- are those things laws that should be followed and enforced? are you ok with those things being laws and enforce or not? >> for federal immigration laws,

they are designed to be enforced by the federal government. rep. perry: so you are ok with that, each one of you? >> i don't know what you read. i don't have that in front of me. rep. perry: these are laws that are on the books, immigration and nationality sacked and those are sections of them. >> with the gentlemen provide copies of that for the witnesses? if you are going to cite a law coming to provide a copy for the witnesses typically. >> out of order. rep. perry: two of these governors are attorneys, sir. i am not. they should know this and i shouldn't. let's just assume that these are laws -- let's just assume i'm not lying to you, that these are laws on the book right now. are you ok with them being enforced? >> you might be asking us a lot.

governors don't get to deal in hypotheticals. rep. perry: these are current laws regarding immigration and naturalization. >> we abide by all of those laws. we abide by federal law. state law. >> we follow all state and federal laws. rep. perry: is there any ice detainer you will reject, that you will instructor law enforcement community or corrections facilities and enforcement community in your states to reject, any one for any reason under the laws i decided? >> every jurisdiction in minnesota follows the law. rep. perry: every single one? >> feel free to answer the question, governor. >> we follow all laws. rep. perry: but you don't. >> in minnesota -- rep. perry: we hope you will but you archery don't and you

haven't which is why we have this mess. i yelled. >> will you allow the witness to answer? >> that would be great, thanks. >> thank you,. thank you so much, governors, for being here. i am the proud daughter of immigrants who fled an authoritarian regime and it is especially devastating as a first-generation american to watch donald trump's reckless, cruel, and radical policies transform this country into an authoritarian regime. stir perry mocked us for referring to donald trump as a dictator so let's run through the list. donald trump has, since he was inaugurated, hardened january 6 insurrectionists, defied supreme court orders and attacked the judiciary, dictator. unilaterally abolished congressionally chartered federal agencies. dictator. attacked the free press. sounds like a dictator. kidnapped people off of the streets and deported them to

foreign prisons without due process. sounds like a dictator. defunded higher education. dictator. written law firms and the legal profession. dictator. this weekend, he is spending tens of millions of dollars to host a massive military parade for his birthday. is this north korea? on top of all of that, our time twice impeached president -- our twice impeached president with a 34 counts convicted felony president who is not a king has deployed the active-duty military in american cities and he has spent $134 million to do so. he has their guns trained on american citizens without the consent of local authorities or the state's governor to purposefully generate chaos and provoke a reaction. meanwhile, we have republicans on this side of the aisle asking

governors of states about bathrooms. this is the most dystopian, horrific episode of black mirror i have ever seen. to our witnesses, the governors, thank you so much for being here today. i agree with my colleagues who say this is a waste of your time . you have been instrumental in fighting back against cruel and illegal trump administration actions. i represent an externally diverse district, one of the most diverse in the country where more than six to four then witches are spoken and i can tell you the actions of this administration towards immigrants and immigrant communities is a blatant abuse of power but more importantly, these steps are harming our economy and national security so i want to ask you a little bit about that. governor walz, can you share the ways in which immigrants contribute economically to your state? >> thank you, congresswoman. there is no aspect in minnesota life where they are not involved, whether it is economically in the impact that they make, whether it is

involved in the arts and the culture that minnesota is very proud of, whether they are in higher professions. medical students, engineers, and minnesota is proud to have an immigrant heritage. all the rest of us came through immigration. so the impact is widespread. it is intertwined. it may have been the norwegians and the swedes and the somalis but it is the same story, coming to america for a chance to contribute to a better state. >> thank you so much, governor walz. according to the american community survey, immigrants paid $382 billion in federal taxes and 196 point $3 billion in state and local taxes in 2022. undocumented immigrants using individual tax identification numbers paid $59.4 billion in federal and $13.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2022.

governor pritzker, you recently called immigrants the anchors of their communities. how does donald trump's mass deportation project harm the security of your state and instill fear throughout illinois communities? >> thank you very much, congresswoman. let me be clear, the home rates that occurred in the first week of the trump administration drove people into hiding and ruined the entire area of commerce for our mexican american community where people who were documented, people who are citizens, actually, had to go into hiding because they know people who are undocumented that did not want to get picked up and having to talk about somebody that they know that is undocumented. you could see it was a ghost town. it was a ghost town. we have had people who are working for decades who have raised families, who are paying taxes in my state, who have had to flee and these are good

people. these are our neighbors, bringing culture and art to our communities, people who should be given an opportunity if we had good immigration laws to apply to state legally in this country and may be to become u.s. citizens. indeed, many of them have proven themselves to be may worthy than some people were already u.s. citizens. let's give them an opportunity. i can tell you it has had a profound negative impact on my state that donald trump has been attacking people who are not the problem. let's go after people, if you are talking about terrorists come on let's go after terrorists. let us know who they are and we will go arrest a terrorist any day of the week. >> and very proud to represent the state that has the statue of liberty in our harbor. millions of migrants and immigrants have passed through including my own grandparents, and my grandfather's migrant farm worker. they are an important part of our identity, economy and the diversity of new york is what makes us so desirable for

businesses large and small. they are so critical to our identity and our existence and i am really hurt -- it hurts me as the leader of a state when people are living in fear come in the shadows, people can't go to school, they can't worship, they can get health care, can't go to their senior center. what is happening has been traumatic, unnecessary. we will help every day of the week to get rid of people who commit crimes you never should have come here. that is my number one job. >> your time has expired. >> the difference is that the millions of americans who came through ellis island did so legally. i will yield to my friend from georgia. >> thank you. governor hochul, are you a democrat? yes or no? >> i am a proud registered democrat. >> did you support joe biden for president? yes or no? >> yes, i did. >> did you support the biden

administration's policies for the past four years? >> i raised my concerns in many meetings about how the border was being enforced so i rates concerns. >> stated you are a proud democrat. you supported joe biden for president. clearly, you supported the biden administration's policies. governor hochul, did you swear an oath to faithfully uphold new york's constitution and laws? courts are certainly dead. >> 2017, new york became a sanctuary state when governor cuomo signed executive order 170 and this states -- it directs that no state officers or employees including law enforcement officers shall disclose information to federal immigration authorities for the purpose of federal civil immigration enforcement unless required by the law. do you support this law as governor of new york? >> yes, this pertains to civil enforcement. >> so you do enforce sanctuary policies of new york? >> i support helping law enforcement

and ice. >> you support sanctuary policies that have led to the horrific murder of people, americans. fox news got it wrong. it should say monster arrested in broad daylight. rape of a 13-year-old in new york. this girl was raped at knifepoint in the park near a new york mets stadium. that is your state, governor hochul. new york hosts got it wrong and called him a migrant. that is a monster. busted and brutal beating of new york pd cops in times square are members of bloodthirsty gangs. that is your state where you support your sanctuary state laws. also, governor hochul, do you recognize this image where a homeless woman was burned alive by an illegal alien monster? where you uphold the laws to protect these monsters in your state and then you force the new

york citizens who pay taxes to pay for these people. this is the result of your sick and disgusting treasonous laws that you uphold as governor. >> new york is not a sanctuary state for criminals. >> this is my time. do you know the name lincoln riley? do you know the name lincoln riley? >> yes, i do. >> jose a bar, murdered 22-year-old lincoln riley. he is an illegal alien monster from venezuela, convicted of 10 charges. he was first arrested by the biden administration that you stated that you support. joe biden for president, right? proud democrat. first arrested at the border and released by the democrats that you support. then guess what? he made it to new york because the biden administration flew illegals all over the country and your state was one that accepted them. he lived at the crowne plaza hotel in queens, an upscale

hotel that was turned into an illegal alien shelter at the taxpayers expense. $2 million a month went to this hotel. second time he was arrested was in the state of new york for endangering a child. but he was released quickly before eyes could even issue a detainer. you support those laws. and then he flew this -- this is shocking. he flew from the state of new york to my home state in georgia and you all paid for it because why? because it was re-ticketing and that was the little gift you were giving my state by sending monsters there. cost the state of new york $5 million to $10 million a day. are you smiling at me about this? you look like you got quite a smile on your face. >> do not. >> reclaiming my time. don't you dare smile about the

murder of lincoln riley. >> don't question how i look. my heart is breaking for her parents. >> the third time he was arrested was in the sanctuary city of athens, another democrat policy. and then he went on and attempted to rape lincoln riley and murdered her. he murdered her. let me explain something to you. let me explain something to you. this little girl right here would be alive today if you weren't such a treasonous governor, supporting sanctuary laws in the state of new york. this little girl would be alive today and her mother very much would like for her to be alive. this is outrageous for anybody, anybody in this country to support, for noncitizens to be able to come in our country, be

able to travel wherever they want and then make taxpayers pay to house them, feed them, and then give them a plane ticket after they had been arrested in their state? that is what you did. you are responsible for the murder of this little girl, lincoln riley. and the department of justice should prosecute you for her murder. >> objection. objection. >> i don't care how much you object and if you supported, too, you are responsible for her murder. i yelled back. >> point of order. >> the ladies time has expired. >> mr. chairman, these witnesses have been here for over four hours and they all voluntarily have been engaging with our members with reese that. they have all treated our members with respect. >> lincoln riley is dead forever, forever. forever. they can sit there all day. quite hold on. state your point. >> i'm tr ask

>> i will recognize you. >> thank you so much, mr. chairman. >> the border was opened and you all said nothing. alll right, we had to pass legislation. donald trump secured the border on the first day.

now, there's no question you all have been obstructing and criticizing and failing to work with this administration in trying to apprehend illegals. that's what the hearing is about. it's in the about the aider, it's about tryingis to get a consensus on working with this administration to deport the criminal illegals. >> mr. chairman. >> to deport the criminals illegally. >> we do it every day of the week. >> just happened, stunning, padilla was forcibly removed from news conference being held -- >> without objection, sofe ordered. the title go ahead. >> this is the title.

>> mr. chairman, i had unanimous request. msn, unquestionably in violation. u.s. government didn't follow court orders. >> without objection so ordered. the next one is from rolling stone, trump halls now deported multiple u.s. citizens -- without objection so ordered. >> secretary hegseth, court's order -- >> without objection, so ordered. >> chair recognizes mr. connor from california. >> i admire your moral clarity during these times, you had a speech about a month and a half ago where you said you would not bend the knee to any president of any party. i highly recommend the american

people listen to that speech in its entirety. professor has said at harvard that if 3.5% of a population engaged in peaceful protests that is a single best way to bring change and stand up for constitutional values. as you know, there's no king protests happening this weekend. i would like you to weigh in and share your thoughts of what that could mean for the country? >> thank you, congressman, and let me say that peaceful protests has been the avenue for so much positive social change in this country. civil rights movement as the best example of that. it continues to be civil rights for two people, civil rights for immigrants, et cetera. i encourage people to peacefully protest and i have said that many times. i think, you know, getting out your microphones, your mega phones, speaking up, speaking out and very importantly for people who can vote, go to the ballot box and vote.

too many people don't do that and too many people don't stand up and speak out because they're a little bit afraid and in this environment i have to say, president trump has created a situation where people are afraid. they're afraid, and they're afraid they're going to get targeted because that's what's happening in this situation. >> thank you. governor walz, i thought you conducted yourself with dignity, and one of the things even people who voted for president trump said about you, what is happening in the country that we started to demonize immigrants? when i grew up in bus county, pennsylvania, grew up indian american,, i never felt

demonized, different. something is going on where we haveng created a permission structure. how do we model the kind of decency that you've exhibited so that we became a cohesive community like this country has always been? >> well, congressman, thank you for the kind words. i think the people of the country expect us tok do that. i think we can all agree the horrific situations that happened that have been highlighted. minnesota.m has mostly closely divided legislature, triple a bond rating, we invested in our schools and we invested in our roads and we did it with civility and eye to the future, we did it republicans and republicans, nation of immigrants and simply people

want to make sure if the laws are asked to be followed people are given due process. we have a model. it's our constitution. we have a model and we have done it before for and i would just encourage all of us to be part of the solution rather than just continue to demonize each other. >> thank you, governor. >> governor hochul i appreciate you speaking about the marines being sent to my state. i was horrified. there's just footage, senator padilla being shoved out, i don't know if people have seen it. he went to ask secretary noem a question and the police literally asked the senator a ad shoved him out of the room. you know,w, the marines i want o get back to the marines, though, the fact is that we have a principle called federalism in the country. no one in the los angeles asked for marines, november one in california asked for the marines. do people's voices not matter of what we want locally and state way, tell me how you would feel if marines were sent in to your state or your senators were taken by -- by the fist and

pushed out a room? what is going on in this country? >> thank you for the question. it's disturbing in so many levels. i served as member of armed services committee when i served in this body years ago and to think that the marines are being deployed against fellow citizens, fellow residents is unprecedented and we have different levels of law enforcement to manage crowds, that's all this is arc crowd. when it gets out of control and it's violent, there must be consequences and that's what the police are trained to do, whether they are lapd or we have in new york one to have highest trained organization of top law enforcement, people put their lives on the line every day that know how to deal with crowds and protest and if they evolve into riots but to go to the extreme of not just the national guard which you serve the governor's authority, the governors are the commander in chief of the national guard but go all the way to u.s. military as indication that a mayor and a

governor can't handle what is happening in the streets has overkill a o level that's unconscionable and i hope we do not see thisno in other cities. we just need to calm the situation down, get rid of the criminals, we will work together every day and leave law abiding individuals alone. >> thank you recognizes -- from tennessee. >> thank you, mr. chairman. governor walz, you said as long as you are governor, immigrants will be welcome in minnesota. do you find a difference between an immigrant and illegal immigrant? >> their status. >> is there a difference? legal status or otherwise? what's well, the legal status is different but in minnesota, we have a long tradition of welcoming. >> ice in st. paul arrested a criminal illegal alien who had been convicted for possession of

child pornography on a work computer. do you still stand by your statement that ice agents are the modern-day gestapo? >> ice agents need to do a job within the realm of due process and the law. wearing masks, no notice of who they are and picking people up off the streets without that due process, i stand that that is wrong and a road towards authoritarianism. i stand by that. quick to have one rule -- i have a couple rules in my office but one of them is never compare anything dealing with the holocaust except for the holocaust. i think it desensitizes people about what really went on in nazi germany by making any comparisons there. does minnesota receive federal tax dollars for any programs to assist illegal immigrants? >> minnesota federal tax dollars are appropriated by you in congress and then we use state

dollars under our laws. >> during the biden administration, $1.5 billion was sent to sanctuary states to pay for their illegal immigration policies, housing, health care. governor hochul, our -- our crimes committed by illegal aliens preventable in your opinion? >> our law enforcement is highly trained in how to identify prospective perpetrators but certainly, we try to prevent crimes and we also worked to resolve them and make sure if there is crime committed that people find their time in court and are incarcerated. that is how it has always worked. >> illegal aliens are unlawfully president -- present in the united states by definition. they should not be here in the first place to commit crimes, don't you agree with that? >> it depends on the circumstances of coming over. their civil violations and there's also criminal so it's a federal government determination on the status of an individual. >> if they are not here, the crime is not going to be

committed. >> >> they are not going to be here, the crime will not be committed. >> if there was no one in our country, no crimes would be committed. i suppose you could say the same thing. >> a young man in my district lost their son to an illegal alien and i can guarantee you if that illegal alien, if we had followed the laws of the land and they have been some enforcement that that young man would be here today. let me ask you this. why did your state issue -- see that you are welcome with open ours in reference to illegal aliens? that was a direct quote attributed to you. >> it is a 400 year history we have in the state of new york of welcoming all. i don't know why we would change that now. >> governor pritzker, you mentioned in your opening statement that criminals have no place in our country but cook county released numerous criminal migrants last year including one who was charged with raping a minor. why would you release a criminal

rapist back into your community? >> thank you, congressman. first of all, we don't need to release somebody if ice or another law enforcement authority shows up with a judicial warrant. that is just the fact and if somebody gets released, it's usually because they have had due process and determined not to be eligible to be held. >> ok, but do you know what happened after that individual was released? >> i don't fred again, a jewish -- a judicial warrant, if appropriate >> 17 days later, he was charged with a homicide and in cook county, they really stay mardi gras and charged with domestic violence in august of 2024. do you know what this individual was charged with one month later? >> no, sir. >> aggravated criminal sexual assault and abuse of a minor. as governor, you have done -- have you done anything to ensure county governments aren't

releasing illegal immigrants charged with sexual violent crimes? >> we chase down criminals every day and put them in jail. we try them and put them through due process and they get convicted and put into our corrections system. we do that every single day. you are implying that we are not . we are. in fact, our law enforcement are some of the best in the country. they do their job. >> if these laws were enforced, i would assume these people would not be back out on the streets so freely. how many programs does illinois have that explicitly supports illegal immigrants? >> sir, we have created programs to deal with -- we have one program that is related to undocumented people. >> i'm out of time. the answer is at least four. health benefits for immigrants. retention of illinois students

-- rise is the acronym for that in the illinois dream fund. i yelled back. >> mr. chairman, i would like to finish the title of the article i was trying to read into unanimous -- unanimous consent. >> ok. >> senator alex padilla was forcefully removed from the news conference being held by kristi noem in westwood. senator attempted -- he was handcuffed in the hallway. yes. thank you. >> for the record, he rushed the podium. he was being disruptive and that is not conducive. >> a senator was forcefully shoved to the ground and arrested. >> from california. >> i want to follow-up my republican colleague's comments since he is talking so much about sexual assault and noted that our current president was found civilly liable for sexual assault and i also want to note that elon musk, and for the record, i want to know elon musk, who was once part of this administration, not so long ago

accused the president of being part of the epstein files so all great interest in looking into oversight on that. i want to ask you a few questions. please raise your hand if your state has any laws or policies that prevent ice from enforcing federal immigration laws. note for the record that no one has their hand up. governors, please raise your hand if you are aware of any laws or policies that prevent federal authorities from enforcing immigration laws in any city or state in the united states. again, no hands are up and that is because there is no such thing as sanctuary from federal laws anywhere in this country. what is at stake is whether state resources including national guard troops should be used for donald's immigration policies or whether national guardsmen should be used primarily for responding to state emergencies, supporting state law enforcement priorities or whether they should be construed -- conscripted to support i spirit this is a question about states rights and it's being starkly illustrated right now with what is happening in los angeles just up the way from my district in orange county where the trump

administration claimed authority to deploy 4000 troops and then california national guard. i want to note the existence of the national guard is rooted in the second amendment to the constitution, a well-regulated mischa -- militia being necessary to the security of the free state. the right to keep and bear arms shall not be in for -- arranged. the first part is the key part of it. a well-regulated militia being necessary to securing a free state with state being capitalized so we know we are talking about the states in the united states of america. the second amendment guarantees the states rights to keep and maintain a well-regulated militia which is the basis for the national guard so governors, i want to set the record straight because i think it is not clear that everyone fully understands what a national guard unit is, when and how they can and should be called up and what activities are restricted from engaging in. i have limited time so i'm going to ask you to keep your answers brief so we can unwrap how deeply concerning president trump's actions are. in a sentence or two, what does

the minnesota national guard do and how does it serve the people and state of minnesota? >> and know this personally. you can dip that she can be deployed under title x or title 32. in minnesota, we have used everything from floods and tornadoes and we use them to help during the covid pandemic and they serve overseas when called upon. >> typically, they report to the state governor. >> that is correct. >> in times of crisis, a governor can activate the national guard units to respond and assist. as you noted, the president sometimes has authority to deploy them. governor pritzker, in a few words, under what circumstances can or should be president federalize a state's national guard? works have been in office 6.5 years. they have deployed under title x hour national guard to foreign lands. we have a terrific encampment of national -- illinois national guard in poland, the largest polish american population in the country and very proudly,

our national guard serve all over the world as part of our military to protect our nation. >> title x section 12 four 06 allows the president to deploy national guard troops when the united states is being invaded, when there is a rebellion, or when the president is unable to execute the laws of the united states with regular forces. do you believe the protests in los angeles or ice rates qualify for any of these particular provision? >> i do not. >> thank you. >> you are aware governor newsom did not make any request to president trump to federalize the national guard? like he rejected it. >> this is illegal and does not comply to the basis for deployment. i want to highlight a key point my republican colleagues across the aisle should keep in mind regarding the federalization process of national guard units even under title x. these troops may not be used for law enforcement purposes. what we are seeing right now is a total violation of that.

we are seeing them used to aid ice rates and i just want to note that ice is acting largely as a civil organization at this point in time. governor, correct or incorrect, being undocumented in the u.s. is a civil violation, not a criminal offense? yes or no, please. >> i believe most cases are civil. in some cases, the federal government can determine its criminal. >> applying u.s. marines to support ice rates constitutes a law enforcement purpose and not a national security purpose? >> we have highly trained local law enforcement. we are more than capable of handling those situations. >> there is no rebellion, no invasion. law enforcement has not collapsed. there is no national emergency. what is happening right now is not just unprecedented, it is illegal and it is very alarming to those of us who care about democracy and the rule of that law and with that, i yelled back. i would ask to introduce this article into the record.

marines to join national guard troops protecting ice agents. >> without objection, so ordered. >> thank you. >> go ahead. >> mr. chairman, i asked consent to enter into the record this picture of senator padilla and it looks like he's being arrested and restrained by three police officers. >> so ordered. from south carolina. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> welcome to the unofficial 2028 democrat presidential primary. right here on page at the oversight committee. governor newsom must be seething that the three of you beat him to the stage but he's a little busy right now defending illegals and defending antifa, torching what is left of los angeles. governor walz knows the playbook. in 2020, he rolled out the red carpet for anarchists while minnesotans watched their neighborhoods burn. you have turned your states into

sanctuaries for illegals. you have done more to shield ms-13 then to protect the single mom working two jobs in chicago, queens, or minneapolis, and he worked harder against ice then with them, so governor walz, and boy, does that feel nice to say the word governor, my first question is for you. did you know the nazis killed 6 million jews during the holocaust? it is a yes or no question. did you know the nazis killed 6 million jews during the holocaust? >> yes, i believe that. >> would you agree the holocaust is the most horrific atrocity in human history, yes or no? ask it ranks amongst them, yes. >> did you know they imprisoned, tortured, and murdered jews by the hundreds of thousands and committed genocide against the jews question what did you know that? did you know ice has done none of that? yes or no? >> operated as a secret police force? roxette is not the question. did you know that ice has not

committed jewicide against anyone? do you apologize for your disgusting comparison of ice to the gestapo who killed hundreds of thousands of jews during the holocaust? yes or no is the question. you are a governor. you understand what the question is. it is yes or no. will you apologize for what you said about ice, comparing them to the gestapo? >> to not use that. >> mr. chairman, this governor cannot answer the question. do you believe the nuremberg trials were a good exercise in holding the nazis accountable? yes or no? >> i think due process --- >> are you calling for ice agents to be brought to a tribunal under the threat of death by comparing them to the gestapo? >> everyone is afforded due process. plus what do you understand about yes or no? what can you comprehend about yes or no questions? do you still want to abolish ice? do you still want to abolish ice, yes or no?

didn't you march in a rally calling for ice's abolishment? >> not that i can recall, congressman. >> according to whiteford media reports, you did. >> and the media is always correct? once how do you grade kamala harris's job as border czar question market number between one and 10. >> i was not in the administration. >> weren't you her running mate for vice president? >> in the campaign. >> you can't rate her role as border czar on a scale of one to 10? >> i think her proposal that she put forward to make sure we had the bipartisan immigration -- >> did you ever speak with her about joe biden's cognitive collapse? >> not that i can recall. >> not as her running mate for vice president. he never once talked to her about the president and why she was nominated instead of him? >> not that i can recall. >> what kind of operation where you guys running over there? >> i was more concerned with

donald trump's cognitive decline. >> thank god he is president and jd vance is priced -- vice president and not you. what have you ever served in a congress -- a combat zone? are you still friends with school shooters? >> i have never been a friend with a school shooter. >> is bullying -- my mom was a teacher and i am a haskell drop out. we can talk about that later. is bullying ok? >> is bullying ok? yes or no? >> is it ok to bully somebody, yes or no? so you think it is ok to bully others? >> i think it is ok to bully the bully. >> you are showing the democrat party is a party of violence. were you at tiananmen square? >> have i been there? i have. >> were you at tiananmen square? >> yes, i have been there. >> when were you there? >> as i recall, january of 1990.

>> ok. what is a woman? what is a woman is the question. courts are not sure i understand the question here. >> ok. >> what do you want me to say? >> i want you to say that a woman like me is an adult human female, that men cannot become women. you guys are the party of violence and you are the party erasing women. you don't respect us. you are a bigot and misogynist and sexist. mr. chairman, i your back. mr. chairman, i ask unanimous consent. >> from new york. >> all right, well, that was some kind of bingo going on over there. anyways. >> i know what is going on. thank you. >> thank you to the witnesses for coming here today. i apologize for the treatment that the four of you have been subjected to. governor walz, i just have to

say i know you are getting a lot of grief from the majority here but you know, we are talking about individuals who have cheered on an individual who issued a nazi salute from behind the presidential seal of the united states of america. who have cheered on the pardoning of individuals who attacked the united states capital and flew a nazi flag and the flag of the confederacy, traders to the united states, sworn enemies of the united states of america through the capital of this nation and now, they want to act all offended because someone has the courage to say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, maybe it's a duck. so i want to thank you for not

wavering to their bullying which is unconscionable and sad to see so i just wanted to let you know that, governor. thank you. >> thank you, congresswoman. >> to the three of you, governor walz, governor pritzker, governor hochul, you three have each sworn and oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states of america, correct? we will start with you. >> yes. >> yes, i have. >> i imagine that also include the fourth and fifth amendment protections for due process and the rule of law. it does. >> it sure does. >> yes. >> and that means protecting your people in your states. u.s. citizens and in the -- every individual because that is what makes america great, that we are a land of the free and of

rule of law. to protect them from infringements of their civil liberties, correct? what we are seeing now is a pattern where ice is breaking the law. we have the detention of a u.s. citizen who has been detained by immigration officials. we have ice here that has also blamed and arrested u.s. citizens for being simply suspected of being an immigrant largely because of their appearance. in january, a chicago-based u.s. born citizen, julio, wrote -- was arrested by ice and held in custody for 10 hours paid in april, a florida highway patrol officer pulled over a united states born citizen and arrested him on suspicion of being in the country illegally. he had his real id, his social security card, his mother

presented his birth certificate and they still did not let him go. in may, a u.s. citizen was filming an ice raid and he was arrested by ice. in may, a veteran and u.s. citizen who is quite a reagan, -- puerto rican was detained during an ice raid at his workplace in new york city. that is called a paperback test. and your job, governor hochul, is to protect people from that kind of infringement, correct? >> yes. >> because all of us must adhere to the law and no one is above it. so if a u.s. citizen tries to break the law or if an ice officer tries to break the law, your job is to uphold the law, correct? >> we uphold the laws of the constitution of the state of new york. >> sanctuary states are about

u.s. citizens as well having sanctuary against the attacks on our constitutional rights from illegal search and seizure. there is nothing preventing ice from issuing a warrant and you have complete compliance with federal request spirit correct, governor hochul? >> we comply in cases where there has been a criminal activity alleged. we always do but we are not involved in civil immigration enforcement because our state police that i control have to deal with other crimes that they are selling. >> i have 10 seconds when they say illegal versus legal immigration, they are trying to end legal status in the united states as well, correct, governor pritzker, with the end of tps and making people and documented by removing legal status, ending legal status, and then having the audacity to call them illegal when they were here documented, correct? >> taking student visas away from people, taking the legal right to be in the united states away from them when they have

been granted may be years earlier to stay. >> so i don't want to hear about how this is about illegal versus legal immigration. they are attacking legal status and removing legal status. the republican majority is anti-legal immigration in the united states and i want to make that very clear and i yield back. >> mr. chair. unanimous consent request. consent request into the record, and bc article. senator padilla removed from news conference secretary gnome. >> without objection to order. >> i have the hill article. forcibly removed from the press conference. i have a third one. axios democratic senator forcibly removed from dhs press conference. >> mr. chair, we were just talking about this and i want to know if you can commit to working with us so we can subpoena -- >> you are out of order. >> i have a point of order. we need to subpoena sec. gnome.

>> thank, mr. chairman. reclaiming my time. reclaiming my time. >> to the ground. >> reclaiming my time. democrats can't follow the rules, can't follow the law. can't follow the rule. can't follow the law. >> subpoena kristi noem. dhs -- >> there is a privilege of the majority and that means we are in charge, not your side, because you lost the election. >> we are going to start the clock. all right. >> it's my time. >> will you commit on the record -- >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> you are out of order. >> will you commit on the record that subpoenaing kristi noem because a u.s. senator was thrown to the grounds and detained in his own -- >> democrats can't follow the rules, can't follow the law. >> shut up. just shut up.

>> you are not going to tell me to shut up. >> not like that. >> he has been out of order six times p or he's trying to get on msnbc. you probably not somebody off msnbc to get on there. >> he has been arrested as a former antifa member, right? antifa. he is a former antifa member. mr. chairman. what a surprise. >> who is, me? >> i asked that these words be taken down. >> you are recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> governor hochul, you stated that you are a proud democrat, proud registered democrat. >> there has been a parliamentary move. they said they were not going to do that.

ok. suspended for two minutes. while we are votes in seven minutes. we are trying to get three more questioners in that will break for four votes and we will come back right after the last vote. we don't have that many more questioners.

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> mr. chairman, i move to revise my remarks. congressman frost wasre arrested in 2021 at a voting rights rally. >> okay. >> without objection. chair recognizes miscellaneous .

>> you are registered democrat? >> is it illegal in your country. >> this is not ate laughing matter. you have sworn to uphold the laws of new york and up with of the laws that you have upheld and proudly take in place former signed by e andrew cuomo that direct that is no state officers or employeesat including law enforcement officers shall disclose information to federal information unless required by law and because of your state's policies of paying for flights of illegal aliens, we ended up withll jose ibarra in our statef georgia. you know, i'm a mother of 3 children, two out of my three, i have two daughters, and you're a

mother, is that correct? >> yes, it is. >> yes, and i think you've got two children, you have one daughter, is that right? >> that is correct. >> and so you and i are both mothers and there's one mother that i wish could be hear today and could talkk to you today instead of me and that's allison riley. >> there's a really special bond with mothers and daughters. we speak with our daughters daily, we speak with our long.ers all day we speak with our daughters about every single thing that's happening in our lives and every single thing happening in their lives. i want you to know the last time that lakeland riley and her mother tried toey talk to each other and that happened to be in the morning when lakeland was getting ready to go out and go

for her morning jog and on the morningng of her murder at 8:55 a.m., riley texted her mother and said good morning, about to go for a run. if you're free to talk thing i do with my girls and they text me and i am sure you and your daughter text each other as wild. but she didn't get her mother and then riley called her mother just a few minutes later at 9:0 3:00 a.m. as she was starting to listen to music but she did not get her mom on the phone and the trail cam actually captured her going out for her run at 9:05 a.m. and nine: 11 -- 9:11, lincoln called 911. this was but a few minutes after she had tried to call her mother. and then at 9:24, lincoln

received a call from her mother but it went unanswered. and at 9:28, lincoln's heart stopped and according to the smartwatch, the data of her smartwatch, lincoln fought for her life for 17 minutes. 17 minutes. 17 minutes. this little girl fought for her life as she was being beat in the head by this monster, as she was being strangled by this monster, as she was being almost raped by this monster and dragged off into the woods. she fought for her life for 17 minutes -- it was only a few minutes after she try to call her mother. i think as mothers, not

politicians, this is something we should easily share with allison phillips. when we are talking about the laws in place and the policies we uphold as elected leaders in this country, do you know who we should be thinking about? we should be thinking about our daughters. and the fact that -- look, everybody can fight all day long -- democrat, republican -- it is so much bullshit when it comes down to the fact that this little girl fought for 17 minutes at the end of her 22-year-old life. the end of her 22-year-old life. governor hochul, for the love of god, as you are a proud registered democrats, i do not know how on earth you can uphold

laws that protect and give aid and comfort to monsters, especially one that was arrested in your state and let go because of your policies in your state. i cannot comprehend it, mr. chairman. just one more second. laken riley and her mother deserve to have one last chat like you and me get to have chats with our daughters. >> we will try to get to more questions in. i will recognize mr. davis from illinois and ms. luna. >> thank you for letting me waive on in this hearing. i want to thank the governors who have been here all day. i want to thank you, governor pritzker, for the outstanding leadership you have provided to the state of illinois.

our state is characterized as being progressive and humane. can you share why we think that is important, u.s. governor and i as a citizen resident? gov. pritzker: we had to do a lot of reform of our state government to get there but it is important to me that we provide health care and education for all the people we have policies and the government that takes care of, particularly those most vulnerable, including working families. it is important to me that we be known for that. we are a state that frankly cares a great deal about our fellow man. we are a state that is humanitarian in so many ways and stands up for the law. i am very proud of our state. we have the greatest state in the country. the land of lincoln.

we said that probably because we know lincoln would be a democrat today if he was alive. i am a big believer of taking his values and promoting those and the values of today's illinois. we have done that and succeeded in so many ways to lift people up. >> thank you. we are proud of you and your leadership and i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. >> mr. chairman, point of the cree, did you skip me in the order on purpose? it must have been an oversight. >> there is a lot of oversight. >> gentlemen, please. >> suppressing free speech. >> first and foremost, i would like to take this opportunity to educate the american people on what is really happening right now with these riots. i see there is a lot of back-and-forth and finger-pointing but there is a financial tied to these riots

and immigration that lead back to the chinese communist party. the l.a. riots have been organized by an organization dubbed the party for socialism and liberation, funded by a billionaire chinese activist. in addition to that, although -- turns around and funnels it right into some of these violent protests we are seeing. it is not just stop there. it is not the only organized protest using brown people and immigrants to push their agenda, mr. walz, thank you for coming in to testify. is it true that you are speaking at the june 14 twin cities no king rally? gov. walz: i cannot confirm that right now. that could be true. >> they are advertising you speaking.

i would be happy to provide the graphic for you. i will take that as probably speaking. i know on your campaign you admitted to visiting china anywhere from 15 to 30 times. yes or no? gov. walz: i did live in china. >> no, visiting, in addition to living there. gov. walz: that is correct. >> during your time in congress you filed for a $5 billion earmark, secured $2 million -- filed for a $5 million earmark and secured $2 million of it. mmo stated the government of china considered you a prime target for influence operations. i'm letting you know that now because you should be made aware that you are working with and going to be speaking at an organization and rally that is not just funded by the heiress of walmart but also has ties to the chinese progressive

association that also brags on their website they are pro-maoist. funded by the national endow in of democracy. there are a lot of people on this committee that do not like billionaires interfering with politics but do not state anything about george soros. i guess my question for you guys is, now that i made you aware that these riots are not about illegals or immigrants, if they where they would have protested under barack obama was to deporter in chief. will you say barack obama was not a good president? do you think he was a good president? gov. walz: do i think barack obama was a good president? i think you did a good job. gov. pritzker: i think he did a good job. gov. hochul: yes, he did do a good job. >> i think president obama did a good job. >> you would understand barack obama had the same policies on

immigration republicans are parroting today but you are saying we are the gestapo. some of you said to the actual committee that you are doing what you can to assist these people. your policies are not done from a place of understanding and sympathy. i would say it is doing the opposite. when you use brown people just like they use black people during blm to usher that in, when you use brown people and mexican flags and send you stand up for illegal immigrants but you follow the money and it goes back to the communist party -- ushering in communism, you are not fighting for american values. do not roll your eyes. i am informing you so you can make your decisions but please be informed, mr. walz

>> we might want actual evidence. >> i would be happy to provide that. i would be happy to inform the chairman that we have a letter, you can sign onto it, we actually have a letter going out to him on friday signed by every single member of oversight. that letter is calling him to testify and for his financial transactions. do you agree that we should not

be accepting from the communist chinese party? >> i would like for you to actually present rather than just inform the witnesses and now that they are informed -- >> i do not disrespect you. i will answer your question. >> being debunked. >> go ahead. you are recognized. >> we will be having a hearing and you can gavel onto the hearing. the fact is the democratic party -- >> will it be as good as the biden impeachment hearing? she is out of time. you are not letting me talk. >> if you want to talk about it i will answer my question. >> it is my turn. >> the lady's time is expired. >> you are all invited. >> thank you. >> before we go to votes i will recognize for unanimous consent.

>> i want to submit a letter into the record from a congressman to governor hochul speaking about at the penn station center being led by mta where the chairman is appointed by the governor of new york and the cost is over $7 billion. >> without objection, so ordered. i apologize, votes were supposed to be at 4:00, they have been moved to 3:00. we have four or five votes. we will come back here. pursuant to the previous order, the committee will there are only 7 or 8 more questioners so the committee stands in recess. [inaudible conversations]