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prosecuting organized crime pictures -- figures in kansas city. he's the author of "mobsters in our midst: the kansas city crime family." next on american history tv, the former fbi agent sits down with kansas city public broadcasting editor for an illustrated look at the city's gangland past, and archives of the police reports, mugshots, and other records from "the kansas city star" newspaper. the kansas public library hosted this event. welcome. welcome, everyone. --name is jeremy dreiling jeremy drouin. our research room and archives are headquartered just across the hall from this auditorium. room, yousouri valley
will find books, articles, and newspaper clippings documenting the history of organized crime in kansas city, from extortion, violence, syndicates, bootlegging, to the 26th year reign of the crime boss nick sabella, skimming casinos in las vegas, and bombing businesses. whether we like it or not, organized crime is a part of our history. moreover, it continues to capture our fascination as well as generate interest and new scholarship. last year, the special collections department acquired a piece of our mafia passed when the organized crime files of the "kansas city star" work donated by former reporter mike mcgraw. these contain photos, notes, and reports on local mafia members and provide a glimpse of how reporters investigated the mob during its heyday. wasory about the collection
featured in kcpt's digital magazine, which included a short interview with retired fbi agent william moseley -- william ouseley. william they take a closer look at the gangland past. mr. ouseley is an authority on the kansas city gangland past. he spent two decades prosecuting organized crime figures. as an expert witness on mob activities, he testified in federal court and before u.s. senate investigations panels. he retired as the supervisor of organized crime squad of the kansas city fbi field division. he's also the author of two city, true story of andkc crime family,"
"in our midst." jonathan has a job many of us in the. as editor for kansas city public television, he reports on the best drinking and dining establishments in the metro area. watch -- writing about what kansas city inns eat and drink, he reports on local theory, including a look at sandlot baseball in kansas city and its revival. atkc ll find his work kcpt.org. he's also the author of three books. please join me in welcoming to the kansas city public library, jonathan bender and william
ousley. [applause] i just want to thank everyone for joining us here. i'm delighted he will have the opportunity to hear this story to say -- today. i want to tell you a bit about how this collection arrived at the kansas city library. i worked across the desk from mike mcgraw, the pulitzer prize winner, who now works with kansas city public television. sit across from mike, you get to hear great stories, one of which was the providence of his collection in the special collections room. these collection files had their first home on the kansas city star building, in what's known as the library, although they have a more affectionate term for it, they also call it the more. gue. mor
[laughter] thee file cabinets stretch entire length of the third floor. at one time, it was a bustling room. there were six librarians, whose sole job it was to cut out clippings. they would take different parts of the paper they wanted to keep for history's sake or photos, or reporters notes. they all ended up in this room in this collection of kansas city's history and the paper history as well. over the years, unfortunately, the library staff with node and it was down to one. when mike got up there, he finding people throwing out files in a 50 gallon drum. he asked what the librarian was doing, and she said she was making more room. mike was horrified and asked for the files. he brought them into the newsroom, put them away in his own file cabinet, because that's acquireddo with newly
files, you refile them. after that, they went home to his house. they sat in my house for several years before he came here, and he thought they might have a home in the library. the library agreed, and through the work of jeremy drouin and joanna marsh, they created this organized crime file collection. the lovely part is we will be ended -- able to spend time giving you a peek inside, but we encourage you to take time and delve further in if you have an interest. is interesting to get into paper files or photos or hear about history, it's a lot better to hear it from someone who was actually there. i'm joined by the retired fbi and iwilliam ouseley, would love to hear, if you could, the beginning of the organized crime and how it came to kansas city. mr. ouseley: the roots of this ofl go back to the last part
the 20th century and into the 1900s, or the beginnings. what we had happening here was a change of immigrant flow. before the southern italians and sicilians had dominated kansas city, and now there was a new group. they settled in the north side, in the north end. they created a little italy, a piece of the old country. these were good people. god-fearing, industrious, and most of all, law-abiding. a small fraction of these people, unfortunately, were the ne'er-do-wells, the criminal event. -- criminally bent. and those people had, one way or another, a connection with the old family in the old country.
in southern italy, the collaborative region. these people brought with them a mindset from the old country. it wasn't the mafia transported here. it was there protocols, their way of doing business. crimeld be a form of unknown on these shores. i think for many years, unrecognized for its sophistication. they were factionalized. there wasn't one mafia group. they were basically thugs. the main criminal activity was to extort their fellow countrymen. there were bombings, there were murders if you didn't pay. this was called the black hand
era. the letters had a black hand demanding money. they had no great power at this time. outside no influence the boundaries of little italy. but then 1920 came. 1920 was the beginning of preservation. -- prohibition. the unintended consequence of prohibition was it created organized crime. not only here, but around the country. it was a product demanded by the masses, and organized crime gave those people what they wanted. the north enders, one of the things they wanted was to make ,ine and beer, the bathtub gin
as they called it, they jumped in with both feet. because of who they were, they dominated the field. but they were fighting each other. that wasn't good for business. so in 1928, the leaders of the most important factions, they they consolidated. and we could say that is the beginning of what we call today the kansas city crime family. with that power, the first thing they did, because democracy a is mafia isly -- the politically astute, they are heading into politics. in sicily, they are the government. the took over by force
political apparatus in the north side. you have probably heard of tom pendergast. had hate controlled most of the city by this point. lazia was put out front as the boss. in the back with the old-timers, who really ran -- were the old-timers, who ran things. but this man could to good english and he was handsome -- could speak good english and he was handsome. he could interface with people. nholy alliance u of a powerful political machine controlling most of the politics of the city, most of the city offices.
all of this came through the chain. you team that up with a powerful, vicious criminal. that did not bode well with the city. the next thing that came the way of organized crime those in 1929. -- was in 1929. we had the stock market crash and the depression. who had all the money? the banks weren't lending. no one was helping anyone. the mob had all the money. money to that infiltrate the political, social, economic fabric of the city. the whole interest of the kansas city jazz, the clubs and the in, the mob financed
all that, along with tom pendergast. the next step in the story is in 1931. of a conflict in new york, all of these particular families like this kansas city group in cleveland, detroit, new york and boston, they all grew up pretty much the same way. they know each other from the old country -- knew each other from the old country. a nationalt syndicate of these crime families. now there was. they formulated a commission of so many bosses. this had the semblance of a corporate entity.
that was more power for the kansas city crime family. the piece of resistance -- this group. the board of commissioners leaders had to be elected locally. pendegast., and tom policeected the board of commissioners and they took over the city. they opened it up to every kind of vice, evil and doing you could imagine. it was an open city. jonathan bender: the open city? wlliam ouseley: how did that book title come about. theyuling 30's gangsters,
would come to kansas city for the rest and relaxation. ier, would check in with laz and play golf. this was a notorious city. money floating in. you can imagine it flowed in by the millions. 1933, prohibition is over. the mob is now looking for new vices. gambling is one they got into. they continues, to put and prosper. they don't go away because there is no more reflecting. -- bootlegging. these other criminal groups involved in bootlegging fade away.
cosa-nostra gradually takes over. the group didn't have any resistance or competition. they were the big dog. they got sadder, wealthier, politically stronger -- fatter, wealthier, politically stronger. pendergast and the new bob boss were indicted and went to jail. reformers took over. they had been fighting for years. they cleared out city hall, everybody. the mob had to surface or go underground. they didn't have the protection of the police. but they weren't going away. they just didn't have a high profile.
would college the era of the guy -- call it the era of the guy who become the mob leader, more well known for taking over the pendergast machine. he is now the top democrat in kansas city. it is interesting to me they refer to him in the papers more as a political guy than a mob leader. his time is coming soon. 1940's, there was a groundswell against this open gambling. the gambling syndicates that were here. nostra, butsa- other gambling entities. there were juries, local grand jury's. the heat was on. there was pressure. chief lieutenant
were murdered on 15th street in the democratic political headquarters. into a committee that holding their950, national view of organized crime that was their mandate. the city, because of its reputation, was the second stop. that takes us to 1950. jonathan bender: that is the chart right behind us. when the investors -- investigators came to town, they looked at that. i wanted to ask you about the
profile notes in this collection, as well as a series of delightful mugshots. .ony is on the left-hand side can you talk about his relationship? wlliam ouseley: i have a suit like that. [laughter] john lazier became the boss, it was an americanization process. he wasn't from sicily. he called those guys mustache petes. they didn't want anybody to know who they were. dressed it down. not like these guys. zier brought around him younger thugs. tony was one. charlie was one. gargatta was one.
he is on theer: top right. five --useley: the last an interesting point. tanellacoco lived to be 100. he spent more time as a gangster than anyone in the united states. he started young. those five made up the iron horses. john lazier was murdered in '34. as leadership changed, these guys continued to grow in power. they did the work of the crime family. jonathan bender: you talked about this concept earlier, of
organized crime and machine politics working together. there is a letter behind me. it talks about tom pendergast, the nephew of young jim. says pendergast at the time got more than 100 phone calls threatening him and his family. he was very irritated. -- telast tells them jim ls young jim, imb top guy. i give the orders. -- i am the top guy. i give the orders. wlliam ouseley: when it was written, jim pendergast was a minor figure.
it is an old mafia tactic, to create a problem and solve it. [laughter] that is how it works. trouble was created. to the mob, they fix it for you. rizzo explained his game to jim pendergast, who fixed it. he was being harassed. tony was the guy that could fix it. he had that stature at the time. he could have taken care of it. jonathan bender: there is another set. carty, that came to ira mc apolitical and -- a political
and legislative reporter, talking about meeting two cousins of al capone. time, would kansas city have had ties to chicago or national organized crime? wlliam ouseley: chicago and kansas city have had always had -- have always had a very close relationship. it goes back to this era. were and the then-boss on a first-name basis. gizzo traveled around the country. he was well known and showed up in other monsters' phone books, seized overtime. it was a very important relationship. the f it was in
bootlegging era. part of it was the telegraph race that brought in results for the local bookie that was controlled by the capone mob and they gave a franchise to kansas city. that was continued. 1950.an bender: there has been a murder of the two charlies. there is intense scrutiny on kansas city and the first looked into actual organized crime in kansas city. talk about what was done. that is where: the file you may look at played a big part. the of that documentation,
profiles of all these people, you have to remember there was nobody looking at these people as a criminal entity. if they robbed a bank, they go after them. but they weren't looking at them as a crime family. there was a great deal of intelligence. organized crime squads, intelligence units, there wasn't a lot of profiling. than some background ome needed -- when s needed, theas profiles of these people were put together. all of these people were called in, gamblers, mafioso's, politicians.
it was quite a show. his findings were devastating. when he left town, nothing much happened. a big year inr: 1950. the next year of note is probably in 1957. can you talk a little bit about that? wlliam ouseley: a committee went all over the country and did a wonderful job exposing these people nobody followed up. no real loss came out of it -- l aws came out of it. the situation was status quo. they were doing big and nobody was doing much. there was a recognition of
cosa-nostra. the only law enforcement agency that recognized what they were was the bureau of narcotics. they were working a broad and oad and saw the distribution of narcotics. they were getting information about the sicilian mafia and how they tied to the united states. quo,uld have been status but in november of 1957, the board of directors of la cosa nostra had to have a meeting, just like apple has a meeting. >> [laughter] they may beey: making more money than apple, but they are similar. the board of directors set up in a little sleepy town. they alerted state policeman,
looking into the background of these people. saw,didn't like what they all of these out-of-town cars. a roadblock was set up. gangsters were running into the woods. twolla and joe, representatives from here, letting that meeting, them know the stature of the family. it was a groundswell against organized crime in the appalachians. legislative body, the newspapers, law enforcement, investigating reporters, the whole thing became like a story.
who may be didn't recognize organized crime, but no one else did at the time -- theday after the meeting, top hoodlums squads were found in. that is where i worked for 20 years, after i got to kansas city. gradually, the laws started to cut up. -- catch up. jonathan bender: with the series of successful backing in the city, next in line after tony was sabella. nick represents the new, joe is the old guard. talk a bit about that transition. was theuseley: nick
most unlikely person you would ever imagine to become the boss. he had defied the mob. twice, they tried to kill him. how he was the ability to himself i don't know, but he did -- how he rehabilitated himself, i don't know, but he did. back.as given a free pass gizzo made him his driver, the career development path in organized crime. >> [laughter] been capone's driver. he spoke for the boss. he gained power. he was appointed as the new died of natural
causes. he had to be introduced. it was a good opportunity. joe met with the mustache pete that knew everyone. meetinght nick to the to introduce him. nick was now the anointed boss. old days, there was always someone behind him. they called joe the baker, because he was up at the aroma bakery. that is what he ran. nick broke away from the powerbrokers eventually, and became his own boss. held that position for 25, 36 years. jonathan bender: they called
them top hoodlum squads ? what laws did you have at your disposal? initially?you use wlliam ouseley: we had one statute that came out of the hearings that involved interstate transportation in gambling, arson, extortion, several crimes linked to interstate travel. if you've traveled interstate to conduct your gambling business, there was a law. without the interstate, there was no jurisdiction. these people know what is going on. they were very circumspect in traveling or violating the state line.
couldn't wiretap it, so that without. -- thtat was out. the first year was gathering intelligence, learning about informants and who are informants were. any previous intelligence base. we were in that mode. to mean bender: it sounds like once electronic surveillance came into the picture, that changed your methods for how you could potentially bring someone to justice. jonathan bender: -- wlliam ouseley: as we developed more information as to what made the mob take, the department -- tick, the department of justice would promote legislation in that aria. -- in that area.
we didn't need interstate gambling when they passed the igb. people needed now five who made $2000. they made that in five minutes. now we could make bookmaking cases. came in that gave us the ability to go after the long shots. the laws were catching up, but people didn't want to talk to us. people didn't want to betray the mob. i don't blame them. it was a struggle, until 1969. iii,ongress passed title made legal -- which made electronic eavesdropping legal. that turned the picture of around.- thjee picture
mobster'srom the mouth could not be intimidated. it was the beginning of the end for what cosa nostra -- la cosa nostra. jonathan bender: does a wild chain of events begin outside of a dress shop? wlliam ouseley: many people is using enforcement electronic surveillance to check on everyone. it is a monstrous procedure to get authority. the have to build probable cause build probableo cause. we had a tip on a bookmaker dressing address -- a
shop across from city hall. i guess they didn't see him. >> [laughter] you can't park. i couldn't sit in the car. i was trying to find out, who is coming to the shop, what were the hours, could i see them on the phone? i was up and down 11th street, inside and outside the building. think someone would eventually say, what are you doing here? short,make a long story i was gaining intelligence. the guy was away from the shop. i was tired and went to a cafe to get a cup of coffee. one of the managers struck seven -- struts in, of the main crime
making operation. the man at the counter, where is louis next door? -- louie from next door? i had a connection with downtown bookmaking central headquarters, and i understands who louie is connected with. this was the kind of probable cause we had to build, and from there we built a wiretap case against a satellite bookmaking operation. to the north end, the social club, that was the headquarters for the book. jonathan bender: you did a lot of work. at the end, there was a pay phone in the social club you wanted to tappan, which was not ,asy in those days -- tap[
which was not easy in those days. almostouseley: everywhere, they have a social club that is their headquarters. that is where they have their own legal dice and card games. -- illegal dice and card games. they hang out and talk business. this is their model office. -- mob office. the phone they were using back in 1960 was a pay phone. we put together an affidavit back to the department of justice. someone comes back and says, this is a pay phone. in to not going to listen everyone. thecan only listen in when
bookkeeping manager is on the phone. i told the guy, because i was do youhe affidavit, e off the street can walk in and use that pay phone? >> [laughter] you are nuts. it is impossible. it's a payphone. i said, you can't use it. you come out here. i will give you a dime. >> [laughter] and if you can go in there and make a phone call, i will kiss you are pure and on the federal end onto ther federal building steps.
-- on the federal building steps. the trials and tribulations of an organized crime investigation. also, this was super bowl week. the chiefs are playing. all the money coming into the books was on the chiefs. a bookmaking operation can't stand that. bothave to have money on sides. they need to balance their books. they were not in the habit of doing that. it was never a big problem. guy in of this, every the trap, and they were bringing in guys who maybe had a connection, got on the phone. to turn it off. that one wiretap cleaned out the whole crime family. enough, it was so bad,
the boss called in himself. that would have never happened on an ordinary weekend. he wanted to know what was going on. that conversation with several us the ability to indict and prosecute the boss, which we never expected from a bookmaking case. jonathan bender: just because you went for a cup of coffee. wlliam ouseley: that is how it works. you were partr: of the fabric in kansas city for over 20 years. there was also a lot of power in las vegas. career had to do with that. nick was a very
astute guy. underrated nationally, he really had great power. he hadbecause compromised the top teamster official in kansas city. a director of the central conference teamsters union. he was the vice president. you can imagine having someone like that. the mob was involved heavily in labor racketeering. nick was a very important guy around the country. they had to come to him to get things done. this played perfectly into his hands. in 1947, the mob had
started to infiltrate las vegas. infiltrate, because it was legal to open casinos. was the first guy to open a casino. there was a national syndicate at that time. other racketeers sat with the italian racketeers, until there was no one else left with the indictment. got into, the mob vegas, heavily. nick wanted a piece of that. his first effort was the strong-arm effort. he tried to strong-arm one of the owners. he ended up on the biggest black book. they put together a black book of people who were not accepted in the casinos. he was one of the founders of
the black book. there were 10 guys. key, his brother, another kansas city rocketeer, three people on the list. three of the 11. a notable achievement. >> [laughter] five yearsnder: after the trap, there was a great story about valentine's day. the 70's,eley: in there were people in the mob, factions started to rival sab ella. people were stalking each other, trying to kill each other. the police department was involved. it led us to put a microphone in a restaurant on independence avenue. we've been looking for murder and came upon a conversation
that involved their involvement in las vegas. the followed that thread -- we followed that thread. we opened a massive nick'sgation indicating involvement in several hotels, along with other racketeers. cities and should -- in chicago, cleveland, milwaukee. families conspired to own secretly these hotels and to skim money out of the casino account rules. they skimmed money off the top, stolen money. they would carry the money back and split it. nick was heavily involved in vegas affairs.
hist of them had to do with teamster connection. the frenchman for the casinos were financed by teamster pension fund loans. tmen for the casinos were financed by teamster pension fund loans. you had to be sponsored. when the person seeking money to buy the tropicana or whatever, he had to be sponsored, and he had to give up control of the casino. we called it the strawman case. months and we4 wiretapped all over the place. milwaukee, vegas followed our lead.
that not only broke the back of mob,rokered mob -- broker but it was the end of the line for las vegas. jonathan bender: you talked about the interesting concept of how money came from las vegas to kansas city. wlliam ouseley: when the case it was 50t down, years after the st. valentine's day massacre in chicago. we went out on the streets with 50 or 60 search warrants. -- if the main guys here was scheduled to go to the airport. on $80,000re keyed money coming to kansas city. were waiting by the carousel at the airport.
he picks a his bags and put them bags and putss them in the security office. we begin the search. there was a lot of thinking about how the skim money comes. hidden in secret compartments in a suitcase, somebody shoe? -- somebody's shoe? i said, empty your pockets. he pulled $4000 out of his pocket, and $40,000 out of another pocket, and put it on the table. that was the skim money. >> [laughter] where is the secret suitcase? come on. jonathan bender: [laughter] --wlliam ouseley: [laughter]
that was the casino moeny. he didn't put the stolen on it. >> [laughter] jonathan bender: this was only going to end one way. gentleman -- the gentleman in sunglasses, you on the right. -- gentle man in the middle the gentle man in the middle is nick. talk about what happened. that was aley: result of the gambling case. him, hewent up to get was on a golf course. there were three of us, waiting around the 18th hole in suits. this ball comes over. a second is with his wife. he looked up and saw us.
his chip went way over. >> [laughter] he dropped the club and walked over, and we arrested him. on this case.iaail we came out and developed another case. he went back to jail. >> how long was he in jail? wlliam ouseley: in the gambling case, he got a three-year sentence. he did two and change. he went back to jail. meanwhile, his organization is operating. they are under stress because of the conflict. he is running vegas from the jail. the strawman case developed, but
nick is in jail at this time. unfortunately,d when the vegas strawman case. indicted the vegas strawman case. he was so sick. he was released on health issues and he died in 1983. the strawman prosecution took out the rest of the hierarchy. the hierarchy of the kansas city family. from there, it was downhill. it was sort of the end of my career. i retired for about that time. i testified at the and of my career as these cases went on. while, butt on for a they were no more.
a man comes out clubhouse, you taken to jail. that is the end of our portion of the presentation. audience members, please ask one question. we would like to hear as many as possible. >> [applause] >> this is in relationship to a inlow-up on the commission 1950. the j edgar hoover up was that that? hoover oppose
i always wondered why nothing ever happened from that one. wlliam ouseley: the person who opposed the committee hearings was harry truman. he thought it was going to embarrass the democrats. president?till wlliam ouseley: yeah. when the committee was proposed, he opposed it. that anybody fact individually opposed the committee. it was the general inertia of the time. people are not ready to take up did inns as they appalachia. you had everybody wanting to get in the act. nothing like that happened with the committee. was the great meeting in 1932 and 33.
lucky luciana had that together. pulled thatad together. any knowledge of that? wlliam ouseley: there was nobody following these people. era of a criminal organization that was unrecognized for what they were. there were police officers probably were -- who probably were on the know. there were bent politicians. speaking, the powers that be we needed did not exist. itathan bender: let's limit to one question going forward.
i have been coming here a lot of years. this is the biggest crowd i have ever seen. we know the executions of the two charlie's were never solved. can you tell us the story of who executed them? wlliam ouseley: gee! >> [laughter] >> go ahead! wlliam ouseley: the same guy who buried hoffa. >> [applause] >> i would change the topic slightly four-time and velocity -- for time and velocity. a respectablewhat
society does brings down or brings up the country. votes.s, you have family if you want to play the numbers, the state of missouri is more than happy to accommodate, take your money and help you out. there is no violence. peaceful. is there is nobody getting killed on the streets. is, doosophical question you think society is better off legal,when things are especially gambling? are we better off with our present situation, where if you want to gamble, all you have to do is have at it? scenario?better i am very deep, philosophically, by the way.
the first thing is, gambling is no good. noyou accept that premise, gambling is any good. nothing good comes of gambling. we want to take the next step. we are going to have gambling. thes never going to stop people. it is a better system that the mob running it. the mob running it. as a result of the work we did, gambling today is made very clean because they know how it is infiltrated, they make laws when they pass them that are accurate. yes, it is better right now. thank you for coming.
did the mob have anything to do with the technical difficulties of the opening of this presentation? presentation? >> [laughter] jonathan bender: no comments. >> [laughter] the other question is -- >> again with the second question. >> [laughter] talk thatas been hoover was afraid of the mafia and he did not want to go after them because he thought it would put his agents at risk. and he didn't want to challenge them. back in thaty: time, i had nothing to do with law enforcement. 1950's,alking about the
leading up to appalachian. i wasn't in the bureau at that time. , prior to is oover was in a group of everyone else who did not fully accept there could be such an entity as cosa nostra. brotherhood, this with blood initiation, and a code of conduct, infiltrating everything, it was not accepted. >> [indiscernible] was 1964.eley: that it was a result of hoover's organized crime program.
all i can tell you, when i came i wanted to get into the organized crime program that he established the day after appalachian. you draw the conclusions. i was curiousr: as to what kind of personal fortune nick had by the end of his life. wlliam ouseley: i would like to know that, myself. >> [laughter] they were very secretive about their money. cd's, they don't have at&t stock, no paper trail. they do things like collect diamonds. we took a bunch of diamonds from nick's home.
that is where some of the money was going. didand where and what they to put that money aside was something we didn't solve. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming and giving us for presentation. wlliam ouseley: thank you for coming. bombing,mment on the what happened and how it was resolved. i have a question about that. wlliam ouseley: do the have two hours -- we have two hours? audience member: the short version. wlliam ouseley: the river key developed because the west 12th street prostitute barge, and organized crime thing, that was
closed down because of the marriott. be river key was supposed to family-oriented, clean. freddie the name of became the unofficial mayor. the mob needed a joint somewhere. the key was over the throughway. they wanted to develop and dominate it. thereby, a struggle, violence, murder. is the boiled down to mob trying to take over the river key. jonathan bender: the will leave it to microphone questions -- we will leave it to microphone questions. we will put it in the sequel.
wlliam ouseley: they wanted to put in these x-rated movie houses. freddie and the artisan down the shop, with his glass who would go down there? that would be the end. jonathan bender: go ahead. >> i grew up during this time. my father was u.s. attorney. he was dealing with a lot of this. our family got a lot of threats. did you get any threats on gore family and your life as you were family andng -- your your life as you were investigating> ? wlliam ouseley: not really. this organization didn't use those tactics. in sicily, they killed policeman. they didn't do that in this country.
this is an americanized mafia. they understood, whereas over there, it would make a big wouldn't make a big splash. agent, theren would be a backlash, and someone would take their place. sometimes on the street, one of these guys might say, i am going to get you. but the idea that they were going to threaten us, no. i am surprised to hear your father had all those. >> alort. -- a lot. this greatmber: has collection in the library inspired you to write a third book? wlliam ouseley: that collection
-- a lot of that is in my book. the first book covers that time. committee, all of that i profiled in the beginning, the development of the mob. someone elseo take to get me to write a book. >> [laughter] i understander: nick was against drugs and prostitution's? wlliam ouseley: two stories. tony's son was an addict. he ended up killing himself. they saw the horror of what drugs do. the bright part of that theme, they didn't do it. nick didn't do it because
narcotics was dangerous. own people using drugs. they become informants. it was not a good thing. kansas city is a very small community compared to chicago. nick knew if his people were doing drugs, he would no longer have any community support. go first.ender: audience member: was there any edford,o -- tie to b kansas? wlliam ouseley: in a way. people from pittsburgh came up to her and were involved in some activity. wereme up here and involved in some activity. the chicago boss would go down
there to his favorite place. thugs, it was probably with a machine gun. >> [laughter] he was stopped by law enforcement. in his drunk, there were so many -- trunk, there were so many thugs, he lost count. he was charged. that's how he got his nickname. do any of ther: big halls around kansas city still exist, along with any of these guys? wlliam ouseley: the pendergast mansion is still there. the house tommy lived in is it still there -- in is still there. they lived in those neighborhoods. all of the north end, when they side,up to the north
those homes are still there. do i have the address? >> [laughter] i am lucky to remember my home address. >> [laughter] [applause] audience member: -- er: thank you all for being here and for the speakers today. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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