television for serious readers. >> is my great joy and privilege to introduce all of you to our speaker today he was born in the united states and lived in england where she lived for a number of years she was a

biographer and historian and the author of several books in addition to the book which alex mentioned she wrote a dangerous women in heretic queen among others, she is a meticulous researcher and uses an incredible number of resources in the book she will talk about today is the ambassador about joseph kennedy when he was ambassador to great britain at the beginning of world war ii. we will have a time for q&a at the in of ms. runnels presentation, if you have questions as we go along please enter them in the chat and we will bring them to her desk, thank you susan. >> thank you very much mary i'm happy to be here and thank you everybody for coming to listen to me at 2:00 o'clock in the afternoon going to try to screen

share. there we are people ask why joe kennedy what made you want to write about him people know bits and pieces about him and some know a lot about him but the answer is simple i write about power and greed this is my shameless piece of self-promotion the last three books are about powerful people agreed the only one that's a good guy and will move on from not really quick joe kennedy was the founder of the canadian political dynasty, he had nine children they were all heavily competitive with one another and they were often described as a clean and were a tribe and they actually work joe junior the oldest died unfortunately during the war but he seemed to be the brother who they love but feared

the most he was quite a bully actually in resembled his father the most as well. the actual founder of the american plan was patrick joseph kennedy who was joe's father of first-generation american and very active in east boston which is a poor immigrant area primarily irish immigrants and he was the one that got the kennedy side of the family involved in politics he was the head of ward to and if you ever rode edwin o'connor's book the last hurrah that will give you an idea of the type of shenanigans that they got up to he became quite wealthy out of being a local ward politician which was i scratch your back you scratch mine type of existence but the man who is in charge of boston democratic politics was john fitzgerald

known as honey fitz and use rose kennedy's father he looked down on patrick kennedy he was twice mayor of boston in the state senator work to the house of representatives, he didn't like the fact that kennedy was quoting his college-educated doctor but only agreed to allow her to marry joe because he was going to become the youngest bank president in america, here's a picture of joe the youngest being present in america, that was a very small boston bank and his father was almost in the shares. >> i previously said i don't really like the gowns and somebody said they didn't like the tree she was taking with her but they were married in octobes that honey fitz did was to make

sure he would keep joe on the straight and narrow which of course he could never do that he gave joe his own private secretary a man over here anymore in a matter of fact ted kennedy was named he became a permanent fixture and stayed with joe until he died this was taken in 1938 when he was on holidays with his wife mary and rose and the children. joe biden 1917 had two sons by rose and joe junior on the left and jack i don't call john f. kennedy john i call him jack because that's how the family referred to him but in 1917 the war came to america, world war i came to america but it was a great world war because you cannot number in number them, he

asked for reserve documentation meeting he would not be drafted and you already received his draft notice. the honey fitz and he became a manager at the fore river shipyard in boston. the only problem joe hadn't been briefed combination of that and people had actually been drafted in management and governor roosevelt was angry because everybody walked out on the eastern seaboard, he and charles schwab who owned the shipyard as he was in in charge had to step in personally to get the men back to work and joe was put into a lesser function until the war was over.

after the war he went to work for stockbrokers and after couple years he went to wall street and by 1925 he made his first millions and set up his children with million-dollar trust funds in 1925 he bought this house in palm filled avenue in new york and then set about making a second fortune because he heard that they were going to make talkies in california and los angeles and he thought this is the thing for me, i know what i'm going to do but instead of making his money out of his movie he had a department store in boston back him to buy a very

small company field distribution company called the booking offices of america and joe began his hike, he's a master showman of the world, his films are usually quite profitable but they are what i would call c or d and where he made his money was emerging fbo with rko and later emerging in, he created the very first in large studio. the other thing he did in hollywood was to manage the biggest star gloria swanson and they became lovers. unfortunately within two years shows tires of his job said that would be two years that's why he has a busy career but mainly he made two films with gloria towards the end of 1931 called queen kelly which was so bad it

was never released and the other one called what a widow and when gloria asked him isn't there a bookkeeping error here you've seem to given the writer a new cadillac for coming up with the title what a widow joe looked at her and turned bright red and walked out of her life she never heard from them again in 1930 after the wall street crashed, apple days when the wall street traders still in work were given a lot of time off to sell apples on the street in order to make ends meet. joe was not paid to any attention to the flight of america he decided he wanted to make his third fortune and also

get involved in politics what better way to become friendly with elliott roosevelt the oldest son franklin and in the 1932 campaign elliott was in charge of trying to read his father's campaign in massachusetts and boston. while also setting up an insurance business. joe befriended him and called himself his foster father before prohibition is actually rescinded joe takes elliott to europe and lots of other people trying to bargain for the rights to import whiskey to america, when you come with a man who everybody thinks is the future president son you're gonna win out and there's no contest, he won out so before prohibition had been re-ascended after the

election joe had already bagged his fortune. what joe really wanted and they had to know people working for him and he wanted to become secretary of the treasury. andy worked hard to help earn his money from contributions and joe kennedy would run the treasury the way he wants to remount was his choice and stayed his choice. joe had to settle to become the first chairman of the security exchange commission, he did a reasonable job with all the documentation and it was written by others and joe ended up trying to befriend them in the one working with joe is the man

called james landis who is one of the reuters of kennedy unpublished memoir, he finally made the cover of "time" magazine which means for joe that is great success, and our 1935 he's been in the job from 1933 until 1935 and it is time to retire and he said i need to retire for personal reasons i have to go to europe and roosevelt says do me a favor could you find out when the gonna repay our war debt because it would help us go around from depression into recovery in berlin and doesn't meet anybody important and hitler refuses to meet him he goes to rome and has contact with the vatican but muzzling refuses to meet with them goes to paris and he really

doesn't want joe and his patch so it's only london when he meets with american investor and introduces him to the work people including neville chamberlain who at the time is the transport checker and introduces into banker and loads of other people and he gets the idea since 1935, october 1935, i would like to be ambassador of britain and i think i can help my children set up an international experience but anyway 1935 there's gonna be a 36 election again to reelect roosevelt so joe goes to work if i don't pretend i'm certain of the treasury maybe i'll become ambassador so he writes a pamphlet over the winter called on for roosevelt which is aimed

at primarily one thing that roosevelt had trouble with was america they hated him, they thought he had communistic contingencies and there is rumors that were being spread against roosevelt, the other person that kennedy gets involved someone is pivotal because he spent his entire year and he was effectively the translator for the pope as well his picture was his entourage to the right of the screen and joe kennedy is to the left, he wants to come to america, joe wanted to meet with the president because he wants to book a closer relationship, it is a

dream of his and essentially what happened until such time that he is reelected between joe and the others but fortunately roosevelt one and pacelli went to see him the day after the election and the gentleman on the left, his name is enrico and he is the vatican of architect and he's also architect of the vatican. the thing that joe didn't understand about the vatican position is since 1929 when he did his deal with ms. illini the vatican had agreed with politics and they give up the states in italy they created the vatican city and today is a vatican he

then did a number throughout europe including germany so he can protect the catholics within that and more money for the catholic church. joe joe did not understand this pre-1926 election i thought you should see the time when america was all blue almost. joe fails to get ambassador because he still in his position even if he's not a wild man and instead given the lonely position of the first chairman of the maritime commission why there's 400 coastal contracts that were gouging the government and fraudulent andy had 73 days

to get them out need to do in the 73 days. but at the same time politics and protesters said i'm going to end up buying newspapers which were up for sale 50 cents on the dollar joe about the pretense on the dollar, that story, it is a true story. it's good to be ambassador of nothing. and he has this picture of the family this is the porges that is going to center ambassador this is what he set his heart on and what he wants to give to the family and the social register in the kennedys were no longer be arounds, he wanted make the name as adams in boston. >> 's son joe junior was going

to be graduating in harvard in 1938 joe was studying government and he had made special area of interest and at that time most important it was because that was the war in which church had taken a side difranco as opposed to the loyalist which was socialist and communist. one thing i have to say joe and joe junior underworld of communism. jack in the meantime has just started his first year at harvard he's only two years younger than joe junior but he was a sickly child going 1947 the family discovered he suffered from addison's disease. but at this time nobody had any idea what was wrong with him and

he became a very interesting case, he goes to europe that summer with his good friend billy and that's available for jfk library online and it really does make very interesting reading because you have joe junior writing to his father and expounding everything that he says that my father says that my father believes in jack has read so much he's definitely the reader of the family he is trying to understand what's happening between communist and fascism particular in europe and how that's going to affect america. he was definitely very clearheaded internationalist thinker. how is joe going to achieve this, he's been buddies with a lot of the press a lot of the

time and he's coming back to john hopkins hospital for floor surgery because nobody's been able to figure out what's wrong with him, he is very ill and he hears that he's going to retire so joe asks the washington chief of the new york times to help them get the word out, he's the best man for this job and retiring by the end of the job instead, i have to say at this point he claims in his memoir he never received any financial benefit from joe kennedy, that's only if you don't count the $25000 a year he got that that europe and palm beach. i also need to say i don't think near times is aware of that relationship. these are three men that are

going to make kennedy great. joe junior russia and now europe and he's been around europe and he's also a dear friend trying to promote them into politics. joe finally gets nominated because their leaking the fact and that he should become the ambassador sorry i missed it he's warning in february 1940 in the news took place december 9, 1937, why there is a delay and i ask about in the book it is still somewhat of a mystery there's a number of different reasons why this could've happened, you have to read the book, he comes to london on

march the first and this is the picture of joe on march 8, 1938, he's going into get his credentials in the gentleman second from the left on the uniform is an american in these colonel raymond who did not get along with joe he was his military attaché and in his book he said already by this time he said it was on his own verbosity. that's probably the most true statement anybody has ever said about joe, it was constant shooting his mouth off without realizing that the messages got back to people and by the time he was elected ambassador all the terrible things he said about him into england because he was less of a danger then in

washington because joe was an isolationist and he did not believe america should have any international obligations other than earn money. in the third person was a week later randolph churchill and randolph and winston churchill took joe out for lunch and how britain didn't know what it was doing and it should not be hurtling itself towards war and randolph is a journalist and winston stood up and turned purple in lecture joe for ten minutes and walked out, randolph talked about credentials in the public system by saying he only stood out because they only were treasures and there's a big

thing in the american press of him wearing short breaches and how we can do that because joe kennedy was so bowlegged they would block. so now joe is ambassador and given his credentials to the king, the king is actionable and he has the duty to court joe as well as joe going around to the other ambassadors and he reports back on the ninth and tenth of march with all the other ambassadors are saying about the european situation. and to these two gentlemen. the first on top is the secretary of state, the longest-serving secretary of state in american history and he's the assistant secretary and within days of this eventually on the 15th of march joe does an unpardonable thing in a

telephone call that i am the european expert, you just shut up you don't know what's going on here and therefore within 15 days of his rival he was angry. why did he think that, his good friend enrico who is a committed session was the one advising him, joe junior was also but he was also listening to this. in a matter of fact kennedy is done on the 1 dollar a year salary against the wishes and the state department and the reason why they didn't want to hire him because he is utterly inexperienced. however, joe met nabel chamberlain who is prime minister and neville had a piece of the wonder in joe started to

sing his praises to the state department and he was angrier and he personally liked and enjoyed talking to and he thought edward who is a replacement in secretary of state with the foreign minister thought that he was a bit too protestant for his liking which is true. first when we met him we was not surprised that he was swearing like a trooper and acting terribly and he wrote that to the british ambassador. and in london he was the

ambassador and prime minister to germany and to present the new german ambassador to great britain, i laughed and i was thinking what's can happen next, he had been in poland in the 1920s and then he was moved in the 1930s to tokyo and responsible for bringing japan closer to the exit powers and he's under strict orders to befriend kennedy. and are ready by june they have two separate meetings in kennedy has misled and he's actually betraying american foreign policy. the day after this meeting he writes in his diary i'm very

disappointed how they accompany to oxford it seems he's tied up on more important international business. joe thinks that chamberlain has hitler under control but he also thinks he's a great businessman he thinks he can handle diplomacy and politics. as i say in the book, he did not have a diplomatic bone in his body. winston churchill is against him and most of the british establishment is so startling in our good friend mr. chamberlain in april 1938 he and rose are invited to the castle and now joe is getting drunk on british

high society and overwhelming things that they're seen in doing and he knows they're gonna be in the social register back home and he's made it impossible for american to come to england to be presented in court unless they have a clear established relationship with britain and rose and he become friendly and rose presents her two oldest dollars rosary on the right and kissed me on the left in may 1938. and it's interesting i quote from rose's diary when she talked about this she doesn't talk about only about how she did, i'm skippy dislike, excuse me. one of the things that joe did in april is a picture below with her husband walter to see if he

could introduce his daughter to some nice english people her own age and he attended a party which is now a hotel, there she met and that became her best friend and also about two weeks later jean's cousin billy harting ten, he was the heir to the duke and literally it was love at first sight and it was a tremendous love affair. meanwhile he's very worried that a piece of it isn't working so he and churchill the same spring start to work together on economic means of trying to outwit germany, kennedy is oblivious at that and he has his family in europe and giving his boys international experience and he's putting himself in a

poor position for the vice presidency in 1940 and maybe even the presidency. this lady who should be well known to all of you is clear in may 1938 she and henry came to the embassy in london and shortly "after words" she began an affair with joe interestingly as a republican she became one of his greatest divisors. so she tells joe you cannot keep staying in london that will not get you back home you need to get yourself some press and go back home to great press asap go back home every three months of people to forget what you look like and he took her at her word the only problem the next time he was gonna go home in june for joe junior's graduation from harvard and of course arthur was very happy to give him good

press which made roosevelt angry, he refused to see him. he is so angry that joe starts to go early to the graduation but discovers harvard university will refuse to give him an honorary doctorate they chose 14 other people including walt disney and it was walt disney that got joe upset. he comes back to europe and one of the reasons he had been chosen in terms of roosevelt that he was a good businessman in a major trade agreement be a no go sheeted with america the time and they thought joe was a good businessman but by the end of june and beginning of july just spending time trying to arrange for the family to go overseas he's flying back to the state department everybody disappearing at the end of july and the state department already knew he had planned to go at the end of july and everybody else

in britain was staying on there was something very wrong in europe and they thought hitler was going to move again instead the reason he wanted to go was to prevent harting ten asking him to marry him it was good to be his 21st birthday and joe feared he would ask her and she would accept the last thing he wanted was his daughter to marry a protestant critically as peter grace was madly in love with her as well and he only love billy the picture below is jack with his sister and his picture the whole family in front of the cabana at the beach and i have him here with his mouth open while he was there he was shooting his mouth off about how morgan was useless and thunder whales was useless and cordell was useless in the whole state

department if it were in his hands they did not think it was broken of course. his next door neighbors heard about it and actually edward was so perturbed he let the royal family know in england there is a problem with joe. joe meanwhile meets another neighbor marlena dietrich and they began an affair. this is her with her doctor and if you ever wondered and want to read something riveting it's maria's biography of her mother and her remarks about the kennedy children that are absolutely delicious. he's having his affair with marlena dietrich and he still there when the check prices start and he comes back. belatedly and horns in on a

meeting of the american ambassadors to britain and discovered this is something quite important i better get back to london until chamberlain went to do. he pro trays chamberlain to the state department as the only man who can save the world from disaster he's the only man that can bring peace and i'm just going through something in the state department and the president angrier and angrier because chamberlain had refused roosevelt piece in january of 1938 so they knew they were dealing with a difficult man who is probably anti-american. chamberlain comes back at the end of september waving his piece of paper claiming peace for our time in his heart was broken he had shivers when chamberlain says because he knows appeasement is dead in

britain absolutely must rearm but of course it doesn't. it's a local newspaper which actually says it all hitler is running roughshod over everybody. two months after munich we have crystal which was an excuse and nothing else for killing jews. joe decides maybe this jewish thing might be of interest and get the jewish vote and he thinks about putting together something called the kennedy plan this is one of the 900 that was destroyed. joe goes back to america for a prolonged holiday, christmas holiday between 38 and 39 and he's gone for two months and this is the thing of his and he

goes back for two months at christmas and meanwhile the exodus of jews from german occupied territories and eastern europe begins joe writes something called the kennedy plan which is effectively stolen from other work written by other people who were actually working on the london embassy. he comes back in the middle of february and immediately asks if he could be the envoy to rome because papaya c has died in his good friend is now pope pius the 12th and rico says sure you and rose can come except he comes with all of his children, the nannies, his butler and a few other people and i write about exactly what happened.

but joe does not understand two seats is quite amazing but then to take all these other seats is terrible, i'm gonna plug my book is returned again to say you have to get to that. while he's in rome he's at the wrong place at the wrong time hitler decides to take the rest of czechoslovakia and he marches in. >> meanwhile rose goes back to london and again, presented at court with unions this time so she can come out in grand style and the biggest party happened to be at the powerless which is picture below in a world heritage site. the following month the king and queen meet with the roosevelts at hyde park joe tries to claim

loudly the he's the one that had organized this but it was in the offering since 1936 when george became king in roosevelt set a special envoy to the coronation to ask him to please come to america. it's at this point that roosevelt warns the king if he wants to know about american foreign policy haitian asked joe kennedy. joe is now desperate he believes there's going to be war buddies going to talk people out of going just like hitler had his head he'll be fine, what happens he asked charles lindbergh to please write a big report of how it's going to be to go to war against germany in this report is circulated throughout american embassies in the state department and of course it gives the president a heads up as to what lindbergh is going to

be doing if he comes back to america. and certainly he became the spokesman for the macon first committee whose father was make america great again and as you can see he and roosevelt were not on good terms. august 1939 the thing that churchill had feared the most happens, the middle top happens and that's going to guarantee a war because germany is not going to have to go in fight the soviets to begin with and within days, seven days written is forced to declare war on germany when germany invaded poland. joe is now completely sidetracked by the foreign office and also by the american

state department, were working together through the british ambassador in america or through other people and he's in directly with churchill and everything he hears from kennedy is very different he hears from churchill joe decides in late november 1939 i'm going away and not going to come back i have stomach ulcers and nobody nobles what's wrong with his intestinal system and the only medical document ever of any of the kennedys on file, he actually has this to roosevelt saying his gastrointestinal needs him to stay in palm beach. chamberlain asked him to come back in march and it's only when he learns and march 1940 the something is going to be going around europe and he comes back

into britain and he is a picture of joe chaperoning in the matter of fact the king's diary states how upset he was that joe would not let him meet privately with senator wells. as you know along. called the phony war between september 1939 in april 1940 when nothing at all is happening germany invaded norway in 1940 the british were defeated and within three weeks churchill is asked to form a government by the king because even list chamberlain had one and it was a slim margin, everybody knew that britain was possibly going to perish because i hadn't rearmed

and churchill was talking about this since 1933 he was only man that could save the country. i should say that joe is also the only man who did not congratulate him on becoming prime minister there was four different documents i came across and finally it was noted he made a telephone call to congratulate churchill. within six months of churchill becoming prime minister he was moved to become the british ambassador of america on the retirement of lindsay who is a previous investor not so much because they didn't get on but mostly because he felt it would be an honest broker for him in america and he was in actually his sons had befriended them in england and one of them came to

america and they helped him through his problems but he lost both legs in the african campaign and she was absolutely wonderful to him and helped him get back to europe so she could marry billy in 1943. in the summer of 1940 obviously the blitz begins people were taking shelter where they could, joe kennedy was told you cannot come back to america, you have to stay in england and you have to help, he bought an ambulance but he did not go to see the bombed out areas. this is as close as joe kennedy came to a bomb, he told everybody that he was actually bombed out of the american ambassador's residence in the west and. but you can see where the bombs

actually fell in there was absolutely no bombs. he became known and left london he did not go to see any of those areas and after the king and queen when buckingham palace had been bombed he was very, very scared man but the one man who was not scared was jack. this is a picture of joe with winston churchill as he's leaving england in october 1940 he recently had tea with the king of england and the queen and he upset them so much that the king wrote him a letter about how wrong he is with britain and the need to fight and they do put that in the book. his good friend neville chamberlain who had remained a part of the cabinet two weeks and as he's leaving he reads the

constant things from churchill wonderful inspiring words and hates him evermore. he comes back to the states in november under claire's guidance he is going to declare and he blackmails roosevelt into coming back to america and that's something i don't want to go into in the chat. and what happens to a person who doesn't realize who to keep your own counsel he lobbies for no war in lobbies against britain and talks against britain and he's hated by the british as much by the state department. >> when japan homes pearl harbor

he decides a guess i better go to work in nieces and years to command and he never hears back from him. the ambassador shipped to great britain with the british empire that made the impart very important the highest office he would ever achieve until his dying day he wanted to be called mr. ambassador his sons were braver jack had pt will go no but there's another experience i read about in the book. very first civilian casualties of the war took place on september 4, 1938 it is jack not his father with the survivors, he was brilliant joe was unable

pilot and a mediocre pilot and he probably would've been the main pilot of an aircraft and he volunteered to be the first drone pilot he didn't want jack to be a greater hero and jack was decorated the pt 109 in saving his cruise life that's what he volunteered because of the competition. he was an ambassador but this man's greatest legacy was his children who absolutely adored him. and he did everything for them and according to jack when he was president joe kennedy made everything possible. thank you.

>> thank you susan that was fascinating, i'm trying to get under the screen share. let me see if i can get myself back on i don't want to have people ask questions to the slides. i don't want to resume share or have a new share. should i do that well done. we do have some questions in the chat if you're willing to tackle these. one question how does joe maintain his reputation today in the united states and why is

this information about his time as the investor not more well-known. that's the main question i asked myself when i was reading the kennedy biographies one has anybody written about his time in england, i cannot get it the closest anybody came to writing about it was in kennedy's gathering which is a nice book about the kennedy family in britain at the time, it is not about the political and diplomatic dilemma that is going on. i like writing about people who are reasonably well known of icann and little-known stories about them so i decided i would take two years and concentrate on that. no one else had written about and that the main reason why

nobody knows, all of the kennedy biographies ran nobody was interested to write about it. i think also perhaps even will did not come to england to do research. he had a researcher here but he personally did not come to do it. and when he wrote his biography in kennedy he was using wills research and he thinks important. that means he did not go to the churchill archive personally, they did not see winston churchill scribbling in his own hands kennedy finally called today. they did not see the note the researcher missed the note, thank goodness we will not have to hear kennedy's papers any longer when the house of commons. these are things i believe doing research myself my family but

nobody have been to the royal archive before me and it's a bit of a big thing to get into the world archive, anybody who is accredited with a publisher can do it but it takes a long time for it to happen. i think nobody else has written about what king george thought about him and that's where the book is important. >> thank you. another question about joe's relationship to jack and how did he help him even though their policies and approaches are so different. >> it's easier to answer the second one than the first one, i went to the first one as well but when joe junior died jack was still in the hospital after

pt 109 and he heard his brother was dead and he apparently said dear lord now it's down to me. jack wanted to be a writer and he started out as a journalist and he knew he had no choice he had to take his brothers place. i don't know that he would've had a choice if joe junior hadn't dined i think that joe senior was hell-bent on creating a dynasty in his mind better than the addams family had done that was the main instance for jack going into politics how joe helped, their relationship he was always his father's son, they thought that was normal because that's the way that they

grow. they also thought it was normal for the mother to be absent for 300 days a year. that was rose's way of coping with joe being a serial womanizer. a very difficult situation and odd family makeup. but because there were so many children they got strength through each other, they did clamp together and joe and rose made sure that that was part of their upbringing. he gave them a sense of togetherness and he was called down by the boys and daddy by the girls rose was called mother she was a distant figure. jack never analyzed why she was a distant figure, he claimed it's because should too many children, i think that was a convenient way of him looking out. he adored his father and joe

adored his son but jack strength was never ever contradicted his father directly. he never said you're wrong dad he's found a very diplomatic way of speaking to him and joe respected him for his different views but the main thing that joe did he finance the 1960 campaign, that was the thing and there's going to be a book by erwin in january about the 1960 campaign. but joe helped my stay in the background because he was a fascist sympathizer certainly in political circles and it was known that he was interested in my and that was certainly not going to help jack when any election. i should say roosevelt calls him a fascist sympathizer.

>> one of his gift to his son. did he have irish sympathy that compromises support for the english? >> i believe he did but he hid them very well, one of the ambassadors very early on with irish ambassador and he managed a doctorate at trinity college. in dublin. he was very pro-ireland and he did not speak out as an ambassador of being pro-ireland. it was a really difficult time for the british and the irish free state in the united kingdom

most of the british and the foreign national archives but when they were analyzing they did not feel he was anti-british so much as pro-irish which is interesting considering all the terrible things britain being stupid and fighting hitler. >> is anything to the stories that he was a bootlegger. >> probably. certainly he had important booze to america before prohibition was over and he involve the president son in law. but i have heard from friends in boston that it's definitely what

happened and what i read, they said it was connected to al capone but nobody's prudent. the u.s. government did not prove that he was doing what he was doing so they had to get him on tax fraud these are smart cookies and i cannot believe joe was not involved but i have no proof that he was, a lot of hearsay. >> tell us what you're currently reading in a book that you might recommend for today. >> i just finished with this a few days ago. it's a phenomenal book. before that -- i read three or four books a week before that i was reading peter used in

autobiography. and the reason for that heaters father appears in my next book and it was absolutely amazing it was a funny book is called dear me. it is wonderful. i don't know if anybody is a big pbs watcher but the book before that was called silk house by anthony horowitz and he is the creator of foils were which i think is on pbs america. and they saw other things like summer murders the british name. . . .

[laughter] >> it makes me laugh. it is really great fun. lenny was close friends with mosley. in those things make me laugh. but it is very well written. >> good, thank you. we are so grateful to you, susan, for all you have done, it's fascinating. i know people look forward to reading your book. we want to also think the friends of ferguson and the elm street books where they can purchase your book. and to everyone who attended today, this is recorded and will be available on the library youtube channel. if you had to leave early and

need a friend pick it up our next author's will take place on september 30 in person series with the author of the other black girl. it will take place at the ferguson library in conjunction with the darian library. so our great thanks to all of you, have a wonderful day. thanks again,

book tv continues and now television for serious readers. >> good evening everybody i am kate moore and the author the woman they cannot silence i am also delighted to be here tonight talking to you about they woman they cannot silence. i am so excited excited to talk about this woman. her name was elizabeth packard but i expected many of you have never heard her name before. things happen to feisty women who stand up for themselves history has chosen to instead