today's presentation is called hoover's last trip home. our speaker is linda smith, the audio visual archivist at the hoover presidential library museum, where she's worked since november, 2000. her previous work experience

includes serving as the government documents departments improviser at the university of denver and archivist for the forest service in montana. she is a certified archivist and holds a b.a. in history from the university of northern colorado, masters in archival management from colorado state university and an nfl i.s. from the university of denver. she is chaired the archivist committee on ethics and professional conduct and has taught workshops on off ethics and copyright law for the midwest archives conference and the society of rocky mountain archivists. in her career she's been elected president of the society of rocky mountain archivists, the academy of certified archivists and the nominating committee of the midwest archivists conference. she's collected some great photos, videos and audio files to share with us from hubert herbert fume funeral service

back in 1964. he died the 20th, 1964 and was buried here in west branch on the 25th. thank you for joining, us looking forward to your presentation. >> thank you for your kind introduction, brad. i also want to make note that this marks the second year of the third thursdays, and i'm happy to be a part of launching what will be the next year. also, just kind of a note, this coming october 27th's world day for audio visual heritage. it's a key initiative of unesco and the coordinating council of audio visual archives associations, to honor archive-able institutions for safeguarding our av heritage for future generations. so, in that spirit, i was able to put together a very video, visual production of what happened on those few days after october 20th, when mr. hoover died.

it's a combination of army photos and photos, black and white and color photos from press, local residents, all kinds of media donations have come in over the years. silent film, color film of the army. because hoover's funeral was an army, military production, as a former president. also, worked in a couple pieces of artwork. so, it's kind of a full thing. the recording, you'll hear about a third of the way in, is the radio broadcast of w and t radio out of cedar rapids, iowa. it features grant price, a well-known radio man that eventually went into television. but some of the other w and t that follow the cortege from cedar rapids airport, along i-82 west branch.

there is a full recording of the funeral service that's an edited, the assorted clips that you hear the radio people are just that, a longer segment of a two and a half recording but no one has two enough hours to do this. so we can crunch it. but i did not cut any part of the funeral, even silences of things are as is. our story begins with mr. hoover's death, at the age of 90. shortly before noon on, tuesday october 20th, 1964. plans for his funeral where made way back in 1958. but so, when he passed the pre-established the quince of events began. let me hit share screen. but we should have media. and large it to full screen.

and if i can play the play button, there it is. october, 20th 21st, the casket was moved to saint bartholomew's charge and placed in washington, d.c.. at nine, am it was open to the public. october 22nd, and the church was closed from three to about 5 pm as a funeral service was held with president lyndon johnson and john connally, the texas mayor. texas mayor robert wagner. here you see robert kennedy and is rose, mother ethel. corset hoover family and other dignitaries attended the funeral. in the family group for his two sons, hubert junior and their wives margaret and six grandchildren. terrence finley, the director

of the hoover family conducted the funeral service. same breath mommies reopen to the public at 5 pm. there you see the rector. the people lined up around the block at the church, which was located at 51st and park avenue in new york city, waiting to see mr. hoover's flag covered casket. between the 21st and 22nd, some 20,000 people paid their respects at st. bartholomew's church. the church was open from 9 to 3 from the on the 22nd, and then 3 to 5. the next morning, october 22nd, the family and friends arrived at the church. the band from west point were

on hand, and hundreds of people watch from across the street. but joint service on accordant lying to the church steps, at the top of the steps, leading from the church on park avenue, the body bearers waited while playing ruffles and flourishes and hail to the. chief when they began to him, lord has been our dwelling, place the body bearers brought the casket down the, steps through the honor cordon and placed in the waiting hearse. the body bearers and flag team marched away, and you'll see after the driver's door, the hearse closed, the honor cordon and -- and did their salute. you can see the man there. as they move the casket various slowly, there is the hoover family. this is army film, different angles. it's a series of clips, it's

never footage of 30 seconds here, a minute of that. just a hodgepodge of film clips, but i tried to put them together in some semblance of order to show you this today. after the harris left, a motorcade of 18 limousine's followed the hearse to pennsylvania station. with the hoover family and other friends and dignitaries to take the train ride to washington, d.c..

there was honor guard and a flag salute at pennsylvania station. for the hoover family. one tenth the station, the body bearers removed the casket from the harris and moved it down to the train. the hoover family and friends, including richard and patricia nixon, the former vice president and admiral lewis straws, among others, with military escort. they took their position near the funeral car. the body bearers proceeded with the national color detail and clergy, followed by the personal flagbearer. which would be the presidential flag. they went through the honor cordon and placed the casket on the funeral car. a group of 150 people boarded the train and, before it departed for washington, d.c.,

at 9:30 am. the funeral train reached union station at 1:25, president and mrs. johnson created the hoover family. just outside at union station, the johnson's at the hoover's lined up to watch the casket loaded on to the case on. general whaley, his escort commander, led the procession in when the washington, d.c.. down delaware avenue, three blocks from the capital. the procession included the army band, the national color detail, the case on and the body bearers, the personal flagbearer and the horse, blackjack. next to the hoover family and limousine, president johnson followed with secret service escort in cars with other

dignitaries. as the column moved down delaware avenue to the south, escort troops in units were lined up along the east side of the capital, facing the center of the street. in order to the south were a company from each of the service academies, a company from the army, marine corps, navy, air force and coast guard. and a composite company of servicewomen. the army national guard, air force reserve and coast guard reserve. completing the line at the southern end, more representatives from eight different veterans organizations. as the procession moved along delaware avenue delaware avenue, hundreds, including the press, gathered at the east front of the capital, awaiting the movement of mr. hoover's casket, by way of the senate staircase, as the main stairs were closed

for the construction of the inaugural platform. 1964 being an election year, the inaugural would be early in 1965. so here you see more of the funeral procession moving down delaware avenue, passed the blocks of the escorts troops. a word briefly about blackjack, who followed the caisson. a comparison horse is a long-standing practice is having a deceased military officer in a funeral procession. blackjack carried an empty saddle and boots, reversed in the stirrups and blackjack famously appeared in john kennedy's funeral 11 months earlier. blackjack was a very spirited, gelding named for a blackjack, general blackjack pearling. when the horse and delaware avenue from union station, the third

infantry fired a 21 gun salute and, crossed delaware avenue, and a 48 air force fighter jet plane in clusters of three passed overhead. when the cortege answered the east plaza, the troops and his staff, and the army men continued on until they were out of the ceremonial area. the cortege halted in front of the senate wing steps and took their respective positions at the foot of the senate at 2:30. i mentioned it was a windy day. the marine band had ruffles and flourishes for the chief, and begin america beautiful. the first note the body bearers removed the casket. general really led the procession of the steps into the capital. hundreds watched from a distance. and there is the casket with the body bearers. and there is

hoover, mr. and mrs. johnson are in the center, with the hoover family close behind. and, people from across the east front of the capitol watching, a little girl with flowers. inside the senate wing entrance, the procession can continue to the rotunda. the hoover family and civilian leaders watched while the national color detail, clergy, and personal flag bearer accompanied the casket as it was carried to the center of the rotunda, and placed on the lincoln catapult. the personal flag and colors were posted, and the catapult was a platform built originally for

president lincoln's casket when he was assassinated back in 1865 and it is maintained at the capitol and used for very specific state funerals once the flags were posted, the -- at the lincoln catafalque and the body bearers were dismissed after a salute. the body bearers are with the same group we will see again a bit later. once they departed, the

reverend harris, chaplain of the senate delivered a short eulogy addressing mr. hoover's humanitarian work and his strong, unbending, unblemished character. then, president johnson placed a wreath at the base of the lincoln catafalque, and bowed his head. there is a press photo. and another press

photo. chaplain you tenet kenneth ames, concluding the ceremony -- while a rotunda cleared the hoover family -- for the lying in state period. after the departure of the family, the rotunda was open to the public from 3 pm to 9 pm. on october 24th, the rotunda opened again and was open to the public between the hours of 9 am and 9 pm. over the two days, approximately 30,000 people filed past the lincoln kind of fault, and the hoover casket. throughout the state period, the joint service guard of honor maintained a constant vigil changing relief units

every 30 minutes. the next day, sunday october 25th, at 9:30, the last ceremonies began when the casket was moved from the capital to washington national airport. the u.s. navy band was on the capitol plaza, to the left of the steps, as the national color detail appeared in the doorway, they presented arms, the body bearers took the casket to the steps and the navy band played abide with me, the body bearers moved down the steps through the honor court and down to the hers. after the casket was placed in the hearse, -- in the hoover family and others entered to their automobiles, and followed the hearse. the motorcade reached

the military airport service terminal at 9:55 am, the motorcade traveled across the access road to the terminal, the -- give a 21 gun salute. at the airport, [inaudible] and the air force band sounded honors. the band played, now the day is over, and the body bearers remove the casket from the hearse through the national retail, through the honor, court and place the body along a board these c-130 airplane. -- in all 64 people to iowa.

before plants were airborne by 10:30 am. the four aircraft from washington d. c. landed in cedar rapids shortly before 2 pm. now i give you, w empties radio coverage of the events starting in cedar rapids at the airport. >> good afternoon, we are reporting from the burial site in hoover remote world park -- the body of the 31st president of the united states will be laid to rest. we switch now to the cedar rapids municipal airport, and news man martin johnson. >> approaching from the east now, in his final approach is the plane which carries the remains of iowa was only president. now nearing the runway, just touched the ground, [inaudible]. hundreds of people

parade along the fences, from the front to all the way behind the terminal, several hundred yards to the rest of the terminal. the inside of the terminal, filled with people here to view the arrival of mr. hoover's body. the family, or walking down the steps [inaudible]. greeted by the governor. the big cargo plane, very slowly rose up to its destination. about three feet ahead of it where it now stands. family and close friends walking directly

towards us, escorted by an army officer. the entire group of close friends and relatives now moving into position. directly in front of us. between us and the big airplane, which carries the former presidents body. [inaudible] the aircraft that was carrying mr. hoover's body. the american flag. on one side of the flag a sailor, carrying an and one rifle. on the other side, a marine. the flag appears to be carried by [inaudible] an army enlisted man. [inaudible]. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

>> the coffin being placed now

>> the coffin being placed now inside. ♪ ♪ ♪ members of the military standing at attention.

throughout the entire ceremony. funeral poorly solemnly aligned. ♪ ♪ ♪ the doors shut on the hearse. pull barest and back. rifles come down. they offer a salute. as the funeral party now approaches, the location, the mourners, the members to the official funeral party are gone up on one side of the top of the knoll on which the burial site is located. then, bringing all the

way around the hoover birthplace park, particularly on the side, next to the town are the people, the friends of herbert hoover, who have come out to pay their final respects to this man who will be right here within the hour. the beauty of the scene, is one which is difficult to describe. the grass is past its peak of its summer green, established upon the burial site here now, in a complete ring are the formal tributes which were brought here to the site, and of course as chief among them there is a wreath with right white and blue carnations. it

is very difficult to establish the size of the crowd which has gathered here, but it is very, very large. as i look across now to the, directly to the west, i see that they are also lined up, people behind the fence, behind the military court which has been established by some 240 members of the iowa national guard, looking directly across the valley from this hilltop to the view upon which the town itself sets. there is an area -- probably people standing there in some 20, 20 to 25 deep. and all the way back to the library itself. then, in the cornfield which has been turned into a

parking lot for this day, people are lined up all along that fence also. it has to stretch for distance of about half a mile. the traffic situation became acute. traffic was backed up for the total of a mile. >> reporting from the long route -- [inaudible] one mile north of interstate 80, north of 218. and the senate general lieutenant general, see the gods. [inaudible] within minutes should be coming up to bob nelson, heading up to the last end of the trip. a large number of cars are trying to catch a glimpse along the way. this is dennis swanson, or turning you to our central

studio. >> west on interstate 80. in a few moments, the hearse bearing the body of president hoover, chief executive west of the mississippi, will travel to the grave site. >> now on the north side of the funeral know, where we have just viewed the hearse, the honor guard drawn up beside it representing all members of the armed services. the color guard standing on the opposite side of the roadway. the door of the hearse has now been opened. the body bearers will be moving the

crosscut casket a few inches out of the car for the phase of this ceremony, which will include the final honors to mr. hoover. playing four times of ruffles and flourishes and the national anthem. the members of the family now standing on the gravel road. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ the army band has concluded playing the national anthem. and immediately begins the notes of the battle hymn of the republic. mr. hoover's favorite him. this is the signal for the general party to

move from the cortege to the grave site. the colors unfurled on the first note of the ruffles and flourishes.? moving slowly. and the perception moves up the line, which at one point is very steep. now the procession begin -- now just coming into my view, general dodge, commander of the united states [inaudible] and escort commander for his general service. and behind him, the

national color detail. and [inaudible] an army man. and then [inaudible] who will preside at the religious service at the grave. and now passing from my view, [inaudible] containing the body of the 31st president of the united states, coming home to arrest rest [inaudible] his sons, herbert junior and -- and their wives and seven grandchildren of herbert qvar. hoover. now passing in front of our vantage point, the governor

of iowa. immediately behind him, [inaudible] and president kennedy. and then the very close friends of the family, and military escort proceeding slowly to the green, with its canopy of trees at the ridge here, looking out over the valley on which arrests the hoover library and the cottage where ms. rand was born. the general procession filing slowly into place. and in accordance with a heritage with which president hoover knew and

cherished, we shall begin this service with a period of reverent silence into which we ask you all to join. >> let us pray. oh lord, -- the lives of men. we thank the this day for the life of herbert hoover and thank the for his compassion, for his deep humility. for his unchecked, insulin integrity. for his

family life. for his abiding faith in jesus christ. -- father a time of rejoicing in along and an corrupted life and in the hope of glory, into which our friend has now entered. make us to rejoice. because nothing can separate us or him from the love of christ, amen. it would be suitable at this time, to read the noblest passages of the new testament, which are -- concerned with the

resurrection in christ. there is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars. [inaudible] stars differ from stars in glory. so it is with the resurrection of the dead, what is shown [inaudible] it's perishable, what is raised us imperishable. it is shown in this honor, it is raised in glory. it is [inaudible] in a week this, it is raised in power. that's shown in physical body, it is raised in a spiritual body. i tell you a mystery -- we shall not all

sleep but we shall be -- in a moment, at the last trumpet, it [inaudible] and the that will be raised imperishable. for this perishable must [inaudible] and this model must put on [inaudible] when the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the model for [inaudible], then shall come to pass -- death is swallowed up in victory, oh death where is thy victory? oh death, where is thy [inaudible]. the speed of god, who tells us the victory to our lloyd jesus christ. who

then shell separate us from the distress, persecution or famine or nakedness or [inaudible] or describe us, for persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril [inaudible]. no, in all of these things we are more than conquerors through [inaudible] who loved us. neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principality, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor [inaudible]. nor anything else in all creation can

separate us from the love of god in christ jesus our lord. we have gathered here, friends, to honor one of the great men of the 20th century. his is the story of what is best in the american heritage. he bears witness to a way of life [inaudible] we seldom demonstrate, but which is infinitely precious, indicted provides a standard by which we may judge our relatives failures as well as our relatives successors. in so far as his is the kind of life we truly prize, the basic

[inaudible] of the republic is likely to be sound. therefore we perform a service, but we try to make clear the nature of the heritage, which -- the thirty first president of the united states of america has represented with unusual -- first there is the beginning, which combines [inaudible] frugality, and toil. hoover belongs to the procession of hard working and god loving pioneers, across the nation in great steps, establishing strong communities at each point. west milton, ohio, and west branch, iowa were

important stopping places, as the hoover's move from the atlantic to the pacific. the quaker cemetery near the west branch of the miami river, and the birthplace here at was french oil, they are both symbols of something precious in american history. they are symbols of men close to the soil, and close to almighty god who made it. it is important to remember that the life of toil and reverence, lead naturally to the life of learning. -- were set up at each stopping place along the way. that herbert hoover as a boy should attracted to stanford university and it's opening, was there for in no way surprising. [inaudible] carried over into the life of learning, in those glorious years when stanford was built. by amazing

good fortune, the quaker boy was guided not only into the study of geology, but into the study of latin under a man who was remarkable, professor augustus. the result was an unending spiritual influence, which reached its climax in the days in the white house. hoover has worked as a geologist, [inaudible] was brilliantly successful. the public just tremendous right, this vocational chapter was only a preparation for larger work. the great days at the end of the first world war and immediately afterwards, when herbert hoover in his message of compassion, was the most influential man in europe. -- the rare, but -- fulfillment.

all along the heritage to which he was being a faithful, one in which public service is essential. the consciously nourished ideal required every question to bind on his pilgrims way. whether humble, or [inaudible]. included a -- could be mentioned without self consciousness, and without a policy. it required of each person that they show diligence in his calling. that he should practice frugality and simplicity, and that he should accept responsibility for some unique contribution to the total community. the most important thing to say about herbert hoover is that he has demonstrated an ethic, which is identical with that which made america great. there are some

who suppose that we have outgrown it, or that we ought to outgrow it. but a life like that which we honor today is the best reputation of that position. it is not unreasonable to see herbert hoover's life in six major chapters. these six are as follows: first, the boy in iowa and oregon. second, student at stanford. third, engineer in various countries. fourth, director of relief, fifth, statemen, six, elder. it might be supposed thought the end

might be an anticlimax but it has not been so, instead his influence has gone on from strength to strength. he became the very ideal of the elder statesmen. writing much, speaking seldom, counseling untold numbers of men and women. and, standing as a symbol of moral strength. all knew there was one great man in america, who stood above the possibility of corruption, all recognized that he was one who had never sought a personal gain or even payment for his public service. as the years went on, after the end of the white house days, through the great depression, through the second world war, and through the years we have succeeded that for. there was probably no thoughtful person in the united states who did not come to see the unfairness of the judgment of those who had claimed mr.

hoover for what was in reality a worldwide economic -- in his magnificent patience, mr. hoover did not even worry about the outcome. he knew that he had been right. he knew that he had been unjustly blamed. and via wonderful grace, he lived long enough to see that would have been a problem was a problem no longer. indeed, we see the events of 35 years ago in perspective, it is obvious that the critics have been more hurt than the criticized. this is particularly true among those who tried to raise public stature by seeking to harm that

mr hoover. these critics now standup clearly for all to see and the public has made it judgment. the six chapters are now over. in one sense, the volume is complete. but there is another sense in which it is not and is still going on. herbert hoover will be remembered as long as the american dream is cherished because he is, to such a great extent, the last of the famous pioneers. he represents the westward track. he represents dignified simplicity. he represents to a remarkable degree, the authority of a faith which expresses itself in compassionate service to mankind. he has worked hard. he has been very brave. he has endured. how appropriate that

what is mortal of him should finally rest, after all his struggles, and his victories, in his native soil. midway in the western track and near the middle of north america. he never favored from the living faith in jesus christ, which was indigenous to his heritage, and in which he lived and served and died. the story is a great one and it is a good one. it is essentially a story that is triumphant. therefore, it is reasonable that today our mood should be one of rejoice. this is not a time for tears. this

corruption has put on in corruption. this mortal has put on immortality. death is swallowed up in victory. thanks be to god, which gave us the victory through our lord jesus christ. and now let me ask this great company to bow their heads in prayer for the final prayer for this our friend. and now, most gracious father, bless this great gathering of thy children in this place of memory, of peace, of beauty. send each one of us forward with a new dedication and

renewed compassion. teach us to be a company of memory and of hope. as we pay our final respects to thy servant, herbert hoover. therefore, we commit his body to the ground. and his soul to die eternal keeping. amen. >> [inaudible] the burial

service the microphone is now being moved to one side. preparations are now being made to present a wreath of president johnson. the presidential wreath is now being placed at the front of the casket by general dodge, the fifth army commander. general dodge steps back and the ceremony is about to conclude. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ -- rendering taps, colors now being folded over the simple coffin. by the body bearers, made up of enlisted man of all the services. an air force man standing at attention with the presidential flag, the national color guard made up of navy, army and marine personnel

bearing the national colors. the national emblem now being folded over the coffin of herbert hoover. now being passed, one of the enlisted men, reaches forward. general dodge takes it. places it under his left arm. returns his salute.

the body bearer's now step back, the color guard begins to move out. the body bearers behind them, moving out over the green. the military detail moves forward. general dodge steps up to herbert hoover junior and presents to him the national flag, which was used in this funeral service for the nation's 31st president. the casket stands now over the grave, with the wreaths of white flowers resting upon it. at front of the casket is the

presidential wreath made up of red, white and blue carnations and all around the green are flowers of every description, including one made up in the form of a cross of white flowers. another a shield of the united states colors. and the tribute which the nation has paid to the 31st president of the united states is at an end. this is grant price, speaking from the herbert hoover burial site, returning you to our studios. >> that's that.

>> thank you lynn, we do just have a couple of minutes and a lot of questions here to run through. several are wondering why did they refer to them as body carriers instead of paul bearers? was that a cultural thing at the time? is there any story behind that terminology? >> probably a cultural thing. i think it could be old school, because throughout almost all of the radio man referred to the box in which the body was in as a coffin. that is incorrect, it was a casket. a coffin is a diamond shape. picture a kite with the top and the bottom cut off. we see them in the 1920s horror movies, in all of that. that is a coffin. caskets are rectangular. he was buried in a rectangle. >> when was the last time that mr. hoover had visited the

birthplace in west branch? >> he was last in west branch in 1962, for the dedication of the library. prior to that it was his 80th birthday in 1954. >> lou henry had died 20 years before him, and was buried in california. when was she then moved to west branch? >> within a week. so, somewhere october 31st, or november 1st. that last picture where he is describing the flowers and you see no casket, but two military men standing guard, that was in that one week period before they had moved mrs. hoover's body from being entered in palo

alto, california to west branch. >> is that a 24 hour guard that they had posted? >> it was a private ceremony when that happened. >> a few people are wondering did former presidents truman and eisenhower attend the funeral? i believe they were probably there in washington, but did they come to west branch as well? >> they were not in washington, their health problems we're -- came up and neither mr. eisenhower, nor mr. truman were on hand in d. c., nor in west branch. they had sent postage messages of, you know, eulogizing mr. hoover and sent their condolences to the family. but, medical problems left them unable to actually attend in either place.

>> there is some question, it was obviously in new york, but was it at the waldorf? what was the cause of death? >> he was at the waldorf, it was technically they say it was cancer, but it was internal bleeding and internal hemorrhaging that they had been dealing with for three or four days, around october 16th, october 17th. they had given in a lot of blood transfusions, all kinds of paramedic type assistance in the waldorf. but, his body just kind of wore out and gave up the ghost as it were, around 11:35 in the morning on the 20th. with the family nearby.

>> bruce is asking where are hoover's parents buried? are they here in west branch? >> right, they are buried in west branch cemetery. as well as allen hoover, their son. >> and, where is that cemetery? i have never been up that way. >> it is kind of by west branch high school, off to the north west of town. >> you know, we saw the video of the cargo plane coming into cedar rapids, and steven's asking, why wasn't it air force one? was there an air force one at that time? and, was that exclusively for -- >> at that time, that would not have been done. i don't think

it is standard procedure. it is a military operation for the presidential funerals, so that would have been strictly u.s. army. some military air transport service that flew that plane. so, it would not have been air force one unless they had made some kind of dispensation to allow that. but i do not think, in more recent presidential funerals, i don't think air force one is used. i do not recall it being used. but, maybe so. they usually have it during the day when i am at work. >> we saw also in the video that, out east they did a 21 gun salute. was there an issue with doing that in west branch? >> that was a concern, and the

family asked not to have the 21 gun salute. >> due to the quaker upbringing? >> between that, and it was just, this funeral was here on a sunday. middle of sunday afternoon, you have 21 rifles, in washington, the 21 gun salute near the train station where it came in, it wasn't just rifle, bang, bang. it was howlitzers, it is a bit of a distraction in the middle of the afternoon to have the 21 gun salute. it was as it were, shot down by the family.

>> general dodge played an important role in this. was he an iowan by heritage? >> i believe he was an iowa native. that might be in the report. most of the information that i had, from the events in new york and washington d. c. came from the army after action report that we have on file. that, if there is any other specific questions, that we are running out of time, you can zip off an email to hoover. library at archives. gov. we have limited access to the library because of covid, but at least one of our staff is in every day. i will be in tomorrow, in fact. if you have a question about pictures. >> you and the other archives

is just a tremendous resource for all things hoover, and even other presidential historical moments. you can see they scoured all of these documents, and the photos, and videos. really, a great wealth of information there. when the research area is open, it is open to the public, they can go in and do research. just, not right at this time but once the covid stuff wains a little bit more, that will open up again. that is open for anybody to use. great information there. thank you. that is all the times we have a question right now. i would like to thank our archivist lynn smith for joining us tonight. i would also like to think the library museum, and the national historic site. and, all the public libraries who helped make tonight's program a success.